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A handful of recently discovered job listings suggest a possible next-generation iWork software suite may soon see release, with the latest postings asking for specialists in quality assurance, one of the final steps in software building.

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While some of the listings date back to the end of March, the most recent ad for "SW QA iWork" (via AppleBitch) hit Apple's job portal only two days ago.

As of this writing, there are eight iWork-related positions on the "Jobs at Apple" webpage, three of which deal with quality assurance or software verification. One listing, posted on May 11, is looking for a software quality assurance specialist, a sign that Apple could be readying deployment some time soon.

From the job listing:

The iWork team is looking for a software QA engineer to work on the next generation of Desktop, Mobile and Web application/services. This position requires a self-motivated individual with strong problem solving skills who can contribute in a dynamic team environment.

  • Bug reporting and isolation
  • Planning, designing, and executing test cases
  • Ensure the successful delivery of a quality product by performing ad hoc and structured tests on a daily basis

In another interesting post from May 7, a "HiDP Image Specialist" is sought, with the ideal candidate to be tasked with aiding the iWork visual design team in translating graphics to Retina-toting devices. At the very least, the job ad reveals Apple is looking add high-resolution screen support to its productivity suite.

While there has yet to be any official word on a next-gen iWork product, the number of job listings and information therein strongly suggest such a product is in the offing, and could be released in the near future. The current iWork '09, which includes Pages, Numbers and Keynote, was released in 2009, and is seen by some to be long overdue for an upgrade.
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Does 'next generation' mean our kids will be seeing the next update?
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Does 'next generation' mean our kids will be seeing the next update?

Actually, it means that the next update will happen in the 24th century.

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If we're only seeing these job postings now, we aren't going to see an update in the apps for years.
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Originally Posted by dagamer34 View Post
If we're only seeing these job postings now, we aren't going to see an update in the apps for years.

 

Because… no one on the team right now is physically capable of doing any work? 1oyvey.gif

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Why even do anything else to iWork? It's already 100% perfect. Right tallest? /s

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Why even do anything else to iWork? It's already 100% perfect. Right tallest? /s

 

The trick to iWork is to include all the piddling little features that no one actually cares about (for the 1/1000th of 1/1000th of a percent that uses them) while retaining the simplicity of the UI and operation for everyone else.

 

That's hard (and pretty pointless), so Apple has been putting it off.

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Why even do anything else to iWork? It's already 100% perfect. Right tallest? /s

 

The trick to iWork is to include all the piddling little features that no one actually cares about (for the 1/1000th of 1/1000th of a percent that uses them) while retaining the simplicity of the UI and operation for everyone else.

 

That's hard (and pretty pointless), so Apple has been putting it off.

It could load faster;

it could look better;

Numbers could be much better (data analysis, statistic, etc);

etc.

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The trick to iWork is to include all the piddling little features that no one actually cares about (for the 1/1000th of 1/1000th of a percent that uses them) while retaining the simplicity of the UI and operation for everyone else.

 

That's hard (and pretty pointless), so Apple has been putting it off.

 

So ligatures and hyphenation are "piddling little features"?  Interesting.  

 

I thought they were basic features required of all word processing software.  You know, since it's all about fonts and words and stuff.  1smile.gif

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It could load faster;
it could look better;
Numbers could be much better (data analysis, statistic, etc);
etc.

Documents could have actual password protection. On iOS devices especially.
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Why even do anything else to iWork? It's already 100% perfect. Right tallest? /s

The trick to iWork is to include all the piddling little features that no one actually cares about (for the 1/1000th of 1/1000th of a percent that uses them) while retaining the simplicity of the UI and operation for everyone else.

That's hard (and pretty pointless), so Apple has been putting it off.
It could load faster;
it could look better;
Numbers could be much better (data analysis, statistic, etc);
etc.

Add to that, feature parity between iOS and OSX versions.
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Why even do anything else to iWork? It's already 100% perfect. Right tallest? /s

The trick to iWork is to include all the piddling little features that no one actually cares about (for the 1/1000th of 1/1000th of a percent that uses them) while retaining the simplicity of the UI and operation for everyone else.

That's hard (and pretty pointless), so Apple has been putting it off.
It could load faster;
it could look better;
Numbers could be much better (data analysis, statistic, etc);
etc.

Add to that, feature parity between iOS and OSX versions.
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iWorks is nowhere near perfect.
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Add to that, feature parity between iOS and OSX versions.

That bears repeating.
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This article is a bit misleading, if they are just starting to care about software quality this update is way off in the future. Software quality should be a continuous part of the development process. Atleast in Dave's vision of a perfect world it is.
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If we're only seeing these job postings now, we aren't going to see an update in the apps for years.
That is my thought exactly! It would be very ass backwards to be hiring quality people at the end of a project.
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The trick to iWork is to include all the piddling little features that no one actually cares about (for the 1/1000th of 1/1000th of a percent that uses them) while retaining the simplicity of the UI and operation for everyone else.

That's hard (and pretty pointless), so Apple has been putting it off.
While you have a valid point about the piddling features that many out in left field want, there are many many short comings with the iWork suites. Number one is the asinine creation of iOS iWork specific files which blows the whole point of iCloud out of the water. This to me is a major defect in the software.

Other things include modern scripting support within the apps. I'm talking both iOS and Mac OS with a special focus on Numbers. I might choke a bit on it but even a JavaScript based solution within Numbers would go a long ways to making it a Pro app. Import and export still sucks in Numbers and frankly this is an embarrassment as open source spread sheets do a better job. It isn't like an Excel file is a total mystery these days.

I'm moaning about Numbers here because it is the one App out of the iWork suite that I use the most and thus is the app I see the most short comings in. Most of the other apps get used for viewers and modest uses as creation tools. I'm certain if I was a more demanding user I'd see serious shortcomings in the rest of the suite.

So I don't buy your point of view, in fact I think it is garbage, there are enough short comings in iWork that even casual users can run into problems. They may not be a problem for you but some such as the incompatibility if files between iOS and Mac OS are very much show stoppers for some and a huge frustration for others.
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum

Add to that, feature parity between iOS and OSX versions.

That bears repeating.
So I will repeat it yet again! Feature parity should include file parity too.
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That bears repeating.

 

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Documents could have actual password protection. On iOS devices especially.

 

Yes, it's always nice when you open the password-protected document created on your Mac on an iOS device and it closes and saves it to iCloud and strips out the password-protection.

 

I'd like to see that addressed.

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Seriously? iWork is majorly lacking features and is far from perfect. For starters, there is no way to do add references.

Or maybe you had your sarcasm button on, my radar never works for that.

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Why even do anything else to iWork? It's already 100% perfect. Right tallest? /s

To some degree this is true. Numbers could use some work for sure. And it would be nice to see them change up the pop up inspector etc with the sliding panel like iPhoto has.

But aside from stability tweaks there's little else they can really do with the other programs.

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Actually, it means that the next update will happen in the 24th century.

 

This makes me wish someone in authority had the guts to stencil NCC-1701 on the roof of the new headquarters.

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The trick to iWork is to include all the piddling little features that no one actually cares about (for the 1/1000th of 1/1000th of a percent that uses them) while retaining the simplicity of the UI and operation for everyone else.

That's hard (and pretty pointless), so Apple has been putting it off.

Well there is a middle ground. One that has been supported in other programs and could work quite well with both versions of the iWork apps. Plug in support. They figured out a way to do it with GarageBand for iOS and Audiobus so I suspect they could sort it out for the iWork apps and even iPhoto and iMovie (both versions).

Then like with the Pro apps they can focus on the consumer/prosumer level but the more advanced folks can add it what they feel is needed

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The trick to iWork is to include all the piddling little features that no one actually cares about (for the 1/1000th of 1/1000th of a percent that uses them) while retaining the simplicity of the UI and operation for everyone else.

 

That's hard (and pretty pointless), so Apple has been putting it off.

 

But there are some basic items they can update. 

 

  • Fill box retaining the last fill color so you can select a cell and fill without finding the color again
  • When a cell text color is changed and you select the text color option, the color should be indicated (like it is with the fill) so you know what color you used. 
  • How can I get the RGB of the text color or fill
  • Copy / Past formula only? 

 

Just some annoying everyday issues. I don't use Keynote at all and seldom Pages. I would put up with all of this if Mail (not part of iWork) would have the task/flag for followup functions like Outlook. 

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Seriously? iWork is majorly lacking features and is far from perfect. For starters, there is no way to do add references.

Or maybe you had your sarcasm button on, my radar never works for that.

Oh, there's the /s....nevamind

 

What are your thoughts for adding features? 

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There is no way to add global cross references. This would be similar to what can be accomplished in FrameMaker and Word for years now. There is also no way to continue hierarchical headings - they always start over each time.
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So I will repeat it yet again! Feature parity should include file parity too.

 

File parity is the biggie - much more important than full feature parity. Even if some features would overcomplicate the iOS version, that would not necessarily preclude sharing a common file format. Sync via iCloud would be improved immensely from the mess it is today.

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File parity is the biggie - much more important than full feature parity.

 

I'd settle for font parity.

 

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Add to that, feature parity between iOS and OSX versions.

That bears repeating.
So I will repeat it yet again! Feature parity should include file parity too.

Exactly!
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That bears repeating.

Hence, all the Duplicate posts.

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iWorks is nowhere near perfect.

Not enough piddling.

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Would be nice if Pages handled fonts and special characters like Mellel.

Mellel, however, is a Word Processor purist's Word Processor. Nothing comes close. Pages is a different animal and is meant to be what it is.

Still, it would be nice to see a few of Mellel's tricks show up in Pages.
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Besides, I do the bulk of my writing in minimalist writing apps these days, and important the content into Mellel (or Pages) if necessary.
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Wake me up when Apple opens up a 3rd party API to leverage R, Matlab, Octave, Maxima, Maple to name 5 major Numercial Analysis and much more quality products within Numbers.

 

Do the same with creating an API to leverage the power of TeXLive in container object which offloads all the content in this object to run a subprocess with TeXLive for Pages.app and then extend the power of Keynote to create live/dynamic and active presentations before declaring iWorks is really a player.

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They're hiring now? We'll never see it. Nor will we want to. QA should come in at the start, and be really really smart. Adverbially smart, dudes!
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File parity is the biggie - much more important than full feature parity. Even if some features would overcomplicate the iOS version, that would not necessarily preclude sharing a common file format. Sync via iCloud would be improved immensely from the mess it is today.
I consider the file issue the biggest shortcoming of the iWorks suites. The fact that the iOS versions bork the files that you "import" is just unacceptable. The other big boner with files is access to them on your iOS device, it is just very un Apple like and frankly falls apart if you have a bunch of documents you use regularly. I've heard very thin rumors of enhanced file handling on iOS 7 so maybe they will start to clean that up.

In any event, yeah iCloud basically sucks with respect to iWork.
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They're hiring now? We'll never see it. Nor will we want to. QA should come in at the start, and be really really smart. Adverbially smart, dudes!

Yep! If you take this as a sign they are just getting started it could be years before a solid update is delivered. If quality is an after thought this could be one screwed up iWork release
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Seriously? iWork is majorly lacking features and is far from perfect. For starters, there is no way to do add references.

Or maybe you had your sarcasm button on, my radar never works for that.

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I know it's not perfect- keynote is pretty great, but numbers (particularly for me) is extremely lacking vs excel. Others have mentioned plenty of reasons about pages on this thread (and others). Tallest just likes to mention how perfect it all is and I found it a nice time to rib him a little. That's all. 1smile.gif

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Fill up, down, left, right shortcuts.

Shortcuts generally. I have found creating my own not working properly. I know many don't like MS' layout, but for me the floating panels suck. Not a fan of floating panels in any app.
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