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Internet search giant Google is said to be preparing a launch of a subscription-based music streaming service akin to existing offerings like Spotify, with the announcement possibly coming as soon as this week at the company's Google I/O Developers Conference.

Citing people familiar with Google's plans, The Wall Street Journal on Tuesday reported the company has already lined up deals with Universal Music Group, Sony Music Entertainment and Warner Music Group for the rumored service.

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Google is expected to announce the initiative at this year's Google I/O, which is set to kick off on Wednesday, as the company has previously used the conference to unveil similar projects like the Nexus Q media streaming device.

The Internet titan already offers songs through the Google Play store for Android, but the media service is much like iTunes in that tracks and albums are sold on a per unit basis. Sources claim the as yet unannounced streaming service will use a subscription model, granting users access to a large library of music.

Pricing and the presence of ads in the purported service remains unknown.

Apple is also widely rumored to be planning an entrance into the streaming music industry with its so-called "iRadio" service, which is also reported to be based on the for-pay subscription model.

The Cupertino, Calif., company is also thought to be courting the "big three" labels, but low-ball royalty offers are said to holding up the process. Most recently reports claimed talks were once again stalled as Apple and Sony couldn't come to an agreement on licensing terms.

Rumors regarding iRadio have been circulating for months, but there has yet to be any concrete evidence pointing to an imminent rollout.
post #2 of 27
I use Spotify and love it. Not sure what Google could offer that would make me switch. Other than search I try not to use Google products if I can help it.
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I wonder if Sony has been a last hold-out with Apple on iRadio because Sony is simultaneously trying to renegotiate movie royalties.

 

Oh, there's also some funny stuff going on in the Sony marketplace. This might be the overriding reason for Sony's slowness.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100737358


Edited by Cpsro - 5/14/13 at 7:06pm
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Google heard that Apple was going into the subscription streaming music business so of course they are going to throw some POS beta crap out there to be first.

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Google heard that Apple was going into the subscription streaming music business so of course they are going to throw some POS beta crap out there to be first.

How would Google "beta" the license agreements necessary to offer subscription streaming? That's what's holding up Apple.

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i don't hate google. loathe and despise are probably more descriptive. i'm with rogifan when he says
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Other than search I try not to use Google products if I can help it.

in the contest to earn and retain my trust that they'll do no evil to me, google doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell.
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post #7 of 27
I changed default search on my 4S to Yahoo, and so far has not missed Google as I thought I would. 😀
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What happened to Google Music? Wasn't that supposed to take over the world or something? That was supposed to be the iTunes killer, and rushed out to compete against iTunes match.  Instead, Google threw that shit at the wall, didn't improve it, moved on, and now will rush out their own streaming product that will be poorly implemented simply to "beat" Apple to the punch. Unlike Apple, Google doesn't wait to launch something until it's right- they just make sure to always launch X product in advance of Apple's rumored product. 

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Unlike Apple, Google doesn't wait to launch something until it's right- they just make sure to always launch X product in advance of Apple's rumored product.

That's Google alright. For a stupid company they sure do dumb things.
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post #10 of 27
This article has a funny list of all the music services iTunes has destroyed (grey box half way down)

http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/26/4265172/itunes-store-at-10-how-apple-built-a-digital-media-juggernaut
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Originally Posted by Cpsro View Post

I wonder if Sony has been a last hold-out with Apple on iRadio because Sony is simultaneously trying to renegotiate movie royalties.

 

Oh, there's also some funny stuff going on in the Sony marketplace. This might be the overriding reason for Sony's slowness.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100737358

That wouldn't explain why Google would be able to negotiate a license with Sony while Apple would not, assuming the rumor is true. We'll reportedly know in short order if Google was successful with licensing.

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Originally Posted by Cpsro View Post

I wonder if Sony has been a last hold-out with Apple on iRadio because Sony is simultaneously trying to renegotiate movie royalties.

 

Oh, there's also some funny stuff going on in the Sony marketplace. This might be the overriding reason for Sony's slowness.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100737358

Big position from an edge fund and insider trading. Didnt saw any reasons to impact labels negociation in there except one phrase saying the fund will push for Sony to sell its entertainments division.

 

Looks like google may break $900 today.  I remember when Apple and Google were both tradind $700, they sure took 2 very different directions from that point.

 

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There you go, I see google at 900.00 on my screen. Took 2 attemps to break the sell orders at 900 flat. GOOG now trading at 27 P/E and Apple back down to 10.4 P/E .  IF this keeps up I will initiated a short GOOG and a long AAPL before the WWDC. Apple should trade around $500 with its return to investors div and buyback. That is assuming they can hold there EPS and keep it from going down again.


Edited by herbapou - 5/15/13 at 6:46am
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iTunes currently sells about 6X the digital content (music, movies and TV, excluding Apps) that Google does.

If anyone is in a position to secure a licensing deal it's Apple. I just think Apple is playing hardball with fees and is doing so because if their dominance in the market (music).
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iTunes currently sells about 6X the digital content (music, movies and TV, excluding Apps) that Google does.

If anyone is in a position to secure a licensing deal it's Apple. I just think Apple is playing hardball with fees and is doing so because if their dominance in the market (music).

 

 

that is exactly why the labels dont want to cut a deal with Apple. On top of not likeing Apple dominance, nobody likes being bully.

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People act like Apple used to be tossing new products out to consumers every other week. If we go all if 2013 without anything new, then I'll be concerned. There's new stuff coming this fall according to TC
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 >>That is assuming they can hold there EPS and keep it from going down again.>>

 

Well, we know they won't grow EPS this quarter and we know they won't grow EPS this fiscal year.  

 

Google +50% in the last 12 months, with Apple down 20%.  70% swing if you had made the correct call and gone with the truly innovative company that has leaders who lead and are confident enough in their technology and products to actually talk about them and keep consumers and the markets interested.

 

Apple's enterprise value today is 263 billion, with Google at 255 billion.  Give it a few days, Google will be the most valuable tech company in the world.  It has got to be absurdly painful for Apple employees - especially those that are only recent hires in the last few years - to work at a company where they are starting to realize can't grow earnings and seemingly can't execute or innovate, while Google surpasses them in every quantifiable way from a future growth perspective.

 

It is really sad to watch this play out.  Of course I wish as an investor that I had invested in GOOG over AAPL, but to watch this company completely lose its mojo, be stuck in the mud for so long, shrink earnings and the stock drop like a rock during one of the biggest bull markets ever, its almost unfathomable that they could be this incompetent, but every day I wake up thinking there will be good news, they will actually DO SOMETHING and lo and behold its the same old story.....no actions, not listening to their customer wants (larger screen), not going on the offensive, etc. 

 

Honest question, other than working on iterative versions of the same products, why would any talented engineer go to Apple over Google right now.  I don't think they would. 

 

Almost everything you wrote is ridiculous except the numbers that haven't got anything to do with Apple's of Google's business. Actually, Google's business is already going down if you consider numbers from mobile search. Google is just a search monopoly company with very low innovative  ratio compared to alleged freedom they give to their employees. 

 

What beside the search has Google actually invented?

 

GOOG is real phenomena for me, way beyond AAPL. AAPL was nothing compared to GOOG bubble that is being created.  

 

Anyway: sell AAPL or stop whining here, you are really boring already. We have heard from you same old crap over and over again.

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People act like Apple used to be tossing new products out to consumers every other week. If we go all if 2013 without anything new, then I'll be concerned. There's new stuff coming this fall according to TC

 

Exactly! I do agree that with people claiming that product positioning was somehow misguided in last few months, but I have no doubt that Apple will release right products, not a plastic substitutes. Apple is just not that kind of company.

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Wall Street obviously thinks this is bad news for Apple. Google stock up $20 so far today (now over $900) and Apple down over $8 (after dropping $11 yesterday).
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I really just need one song myself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ9FbF1BFJw
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Exactly! I do agree that with people claiming that product positioning was somehow misguided in last few months, but I have no doubt that Apple will release right products, not a plastic substitutes. Apple is just not that kind of company.
I'd still like to know who thought it was a good idea to go 7-8 months with no product announcement. And I'm not talking about brand new categories or revolutionary devices. But just something to keep Apple in the news in a good way. Stock was down $11 yesterday and is down another $11 today, while Google is at record highs. Because we've gone so long without any product update (and yes someone charted out that by the time we get to WWDC it will be the longest gap in product announcements since Steve's return to Apple) the expectations are going to be massive. I don't know what Cook has up his sleeve but I'm afraid an iPad in a mini casing and iPhone 5 with better camera and faster processor won't cut it. Of course Apple could blow us all away with some stuff nobody expected but what are the chances of that?
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Right, because if a management team is incompetent, the owners of the company should just sell and not discuss their displeasure.  

What is Google creating?  Value for its shareholders for one, something Apple and Tim Cook are incapable of doing.

Apple hasn't created any value for its shareholders? Ok now we know this is just bad trolling.

Oh and what is Google right now? A big bubble, like one could say Apple was at $700. Apple's bubble burst and its very likely the same will happen to Google too. In fact I think the whole market is one big bubble waiting to pop. Every day now It seems the Dow, Nasdaq and S&P are at record highs. And the anchors on CNET are all giddy over record this, record that. But what fundamentals is it based on? Low interest rates and the Fed as a printing machine? It won't last. Guaranteed.
Edited by Rogifan - 5/15/13 at 8:52am
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I'd like to point out that Google's I/O picture is THE ugliest slogan picture I have ever seen for a conference.
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>>Apple hasn't created any value for its shareholders? Ok now we know this is just bad trolling.>>

 

Fact.  The value of Apple has dropped under Tim Cook.  Period.  

 

So ask yourself, why isn't Apple participating in the low interest rate bubble you see?  How can Apple stock get demolished in a rising market fueled by cheap money if it isn't management/execution/lack of innovation/lack of new products?  Why are Samsung and Google at all-time highs while Apple drops?  How can Google and Samsung continue to extract enough value from the mobile markets to grow earnings, while consensus now has Apple earnings dropping 10-15% this year in a secular growth market?

 

Edit:  Apple worth $258 billion now vs Google at $254 billion, we may see Google surpass the value of Apple today.....after Apple had a lead of 200+ billion just 6-9 months ago.  Historic, epic collapse in confidence in a company.

Share price of Apple is higher today than it was when Cook took over as CEO.  Market cap as reported on every site on the planet shows Apple as #1 trading places with Exxon now and then.

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Haven't you seen, they are coming out with multi-colored iPhones!

no actually we haven't seen.  But i'm sure if they came out with cheaper colored iphones for China the stock would go up and you'd be happy. 1wink.gif

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I keep hearing about how Apple is going to create, or rather needs to create an iRadio. My question is why should they? Perhaps carry over the radio portion of the desktop iTunes onto the iOS platform. However I think Apple is benefiting from the competition that currently exists in the app store. After reading about today's Google music news, I took the opportunity to explore the various iOS apps currently available. I used to just use Pandora for streaming. However there are many great offerings. I had used Spotify in the past, and did not care for it. There is Rdio and Rhapsody to stream music, both seemed fine though I did not give more then a short exploration of their respective apps. I am sure there are others. I did discover TuneIn Radio today, and found this very good, and deleted the seldom used Spotify off the iPad I take to work.  Pandora recently went to limiting the duration of streaming, so I plan to run TuneIn Radio in the background.  Beneficial for Apple is that many of these applications have a direct lead for the playing song to iTunes. I am sure there is a profit sharing plan between Apple and the app maker. Rdio did not have such a lead, but I was able to stream Rdio and open both Shazam and SoundHound and they identified the song, which then had a lead into iTunes. It would be wise for Apple to place song identifying technology into iTunes, or ever Siri. Despite all these options, I still like to own the music I cherish the most. Yes, there are places on this earth where there is no access to the internet. It is at such places that I like to have the music I cherish. I hope that Apple goes to a TuneIn Radio platform, and let Google pay royalties to Sony. 

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I'd be happy with any product, any sign they don't have their heads up their arsses in Cupertino.

 

If you'd take your head out of yours and look around, you'd see plenty.

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I'd still like to know who thought it was a good idea to go 7-8 months with no product announcement. And I'm not talking about brand new categories or revolutionary devices. But just something to keep Apple in the news in a good way. Stock was down $11 yesterday and is down another $11 today, while Google is at record highs. Because we've gone so long without any product update (and yes someone charted out that by the time we get to WWDC it will be the longest gap in product announcements since Steve's return to Apple) the expectations are going to be massive. I don't know what Cook has up his sleeve but I'm afraid an iPad in a mini casing and iPhone 5 with better camera and faster processor won't cut it. Of course Apple could blow us all away with some stuff nobody expected but what are the chances of that?

 

As I said myself, product placement was not at its best recently. I would say even bad considering previous pace. However, tell me, what has Google announced in the same period? Zero? Nada? Still, how it is possible that GOOG still soars?

 

Well, you would have to ask about that bastards that run the show....

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