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On Wednesday, Google introduced its long-anticipated Spotify competitor: Google Play Music All Access, a "uniquely Google approach" to subscription music service.

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Google engineering director Chris Yerga announced the new music service during the keynote for the search giant's annual Google I/O developer conference. As was previously rumored, the streaming service is similar to popular music service Spotify, but it also adds elements similar to Internet radio service Pandora.

"We set out to build a music service that didn't just give you access to the world of music," Yerga said, "but also helped guide you through it."

All Access has a focus on personalized recommendations, using a feature called Explore. Explore allows users to start a radio station from an individual track. Once the station is established, users can tailor the tracks that will play to their likes by stopping tracks that they don't want to hear.

The new streaming service will also suggest new releases and other tracks that Google thinks users will enjoy based on their listening habits. All Access will also allow users to blend their own Google Play-stored tracks in on playlists with All Access songs.

The move into streaming will bring Google into competition not only with Spotify and Pandora, but also potentially with Apple. The iPhone maker is said to be working on its own radio service to debut some time this summer. Much of the negotiations with the major record labels is said to already be done, but holdouts among some labels are thought to be holding up the rollout of Apple's streaming option.

All Access is available in the United States as of May 15 for $10 per month. Google is opening up the service to all users in the country, though, for a 30-day free trial. Users beginning their trial before June 30 will be able to take advantage of a special discount, getting access to the streaming service for $8 per month.
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Take my money

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iOS app?
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Ok that explains the stock dive.  imo there is going to be another dive when they get to hardware.

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iOS app?

 

Since they are charging for the service why not. Would be a smart move imo.

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So the 'uniquely Google approach' is to charge 2.5x what a Pandora subscription costs?
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Apple has had 4 years to compete with this, from back when Android was a joke - they have the credit cards and surely the technology. Lala was bought in 2009. 2009!

 

What has happened since?. Either heads should roll at Apple, or Cook's head should roll.

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Wow. Google is going to win in every way.

Apple. Slower to streaming music. Slower to low cost phone. Slower to big screen size. Slower to software innovations. Slower to license and market.

It is so much Windows vs Mac 1990s.

The integrated approach is great to open a market not to rule it. Next we will see Apple again being a 3% market share bit player.

That is Apple corporate culture. We're the tiny little underdog with moral superiority. We won't sell out. We do it our way and only in our good time. Suck it shareholders.

This music service is a prime example of how one's lunch gets eaten.
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Ok that explains the stock dive.  imo there is going to be another dive when they get to hardware.

Buying opportunity. 

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Apple has had 4 years to compete with this, from back when Android was a joke - they have the credit cards and surely the technology. Lala was bought in 2009. 2009!

What has happened since?. Either heads should roll at Apple, or Cook's head should roll.

Buying the tech doesnt equal getting the rights contracts. In this case Apple likely didn't and had to start that from scratch. All this talk about talks could be on that front, not some Pandora or Spotify knock off.

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Does anyone really care about this crap? I have my own library of music that is quite large from years of purchasing. I add to it on a regular basis but that probably only averages 4-5 songs a month at best. Why subscribe to a streaming service that just chews up bandwidth while you have to sort through the mountains of music you don't care about to find that one gem?

 

I have been far more successful discovering new music through movies, TV shows, commercials, etc. than Google will with their suggestions. And if I really am in a pinch, Pandora's free service is fine.

 

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Apple has had 4 years to compete with this, from back when Android was a joke - they have the credit cards and surely the technology. Lala was bought in 2009. 2009!

 

What has happened since?. Either heads should roll at Apple, or Cook's head should roll.

Not sure about Cook's head (yet), but I agree with your broader sentiment. Apple has been sitting on its laurels with iTunes (spare me the stuff about retooling the UI, which was marginal, at best).

 

I hope Apple can get in front in other areas (e.g., retail payments by buying a company like Square).

 

I really would like to see Apple make some aggressive competitive moves. The silence overall is deafening. It's, as I've said before, going to be a long, dry, hard summer.......1hmm.gif

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Does anyone really care about this crap? I have my own library of music that is quite large from years of purchasing. I add to it on a regular basis but that probably only averages 4-5 songs a month at best. Why subscribe to a streaming service that just chews up bandwidth while you have to sort through the mountains of music you don't care about to find that one gem?

 

I have been far more successful discovering new music through movies, TV shows, commercials, etc. than Google will with their suggestions. And if I really am in a pinch, Pandora's free service is fine.

 

-kpluck

 

This is the kind of silliness that pervades: "I have my preferences/tastes and everybody else must be like me, so nobody else could/should care if I don't."

 

Do you have kids? Nieces/nephews? Neighbors who are younger? Any interactions at all with today's 15 - 30 year olds?

 

Find out how they're getting and listening to their music today....

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Ok that explains the stock dive.  imo there is going to be another dive when they get to hardware.
Does this really surprise you? The day Google announced I/O I knew Apple's stock would tank during the keynote. And Apple could announce a cure for Cancer at WWDC and the stock would barely move. Just the way it is right now with Apple.
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Not sure about Cook's head (yet), but I agree with your broader sentiment. Apple has been sitting on its laurels with iTunes (spare me the stuff about retooling the UI, which was marginal, at best).

 

I hope Apple can get in front in other areas (e.g., retail payments by buying a company like Square).

 

I really would like to see Apple make some aggressive competitive moves. The silence overall is deafening. It's, as I've said before, going to be a long, dry, hard summer.......1hmm.gif

Square would be a great acquisition - or at least work with them for chrissakes. 

 

Apple should.

 

1) Buy square. Sell the point of sale  devices to the mass market. Cheaply. 

2) Allow people to enter their bank details direct into iTunes.

3) Allow purchases using square and the iPhone. 

 

This could allow massive revenue from sales of normal goods.

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Not sure about Cook's head (yet), but I agree with your broader sentiment. Apple has been sitting on its laurels with iTunes (spare me the stuff about retooling the UI, which was marginal, at best).

I hope Apple can get in front in other areas (e.g., retail payments by buying a company like Square).

I really would like to see Apple make some aggressive competitive moves. The silence overall is deafening. It's, as I've said before, going to be a long, dry, hard summer.......1hmm.gif
What Apple is missing right now is articulating their vision. And no I don't mean a detailed product roadmap. But Tim Cook says Apple is not a hardware company. Well what are they then? Apple makes most of its money off hardware and we're not really seeing them move into services in a big way. So when Cook makes that comment what does he mean? How does he want us to think about Apple? They need to step it up in software and services in a big way for people to think of them as more than a premium hardware company.

I hope we get some of this vision at WWDC.
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Not sure about Cook's head (yet), but I agree with your broader sentiment. Apple has been sitting on its laurels with iTunes (spare me the stuff about retooling the UI, which was marginal, at best).

I hope Apple can get in front in other areas (e.g., retail payments by buying a company like Square).

I really would like to see Apple make some aggressive competitive moves. The silence overall is deafening. It's, as I've said before, going to be a long, dry, hard summer.......1hmm.gif
What Apple is missing right now is articulating their vision. And no I don't mean a detailed product roadmap. But Tim Cook says Apple is not a hardware company. Well what are they then? Apple makes most of its money off hardware and we're not really seeing them move into services in a big way. So when Cook makes that comment what does he mean? How does he want us to think about Apple? They need to step it up in software and services in a big way for people to think of them as more than a premium hardware company.

I hope we get some of this vision at WWDC.
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I think Apple should give Sony more or less what they want and get on with it, they can afford too. Sony have obviously managed to come to agreements with all the other music streaming services, including this latest Google variation. Why not with Apple? The company must be trying to cheap skate on price too much, or Sony just has it in for Apple maybe. But I'm getting a bit fed up with the company falling behind all the other tech entities on all these new developments. I'm worried its going to get to the point that nobody cares anymore, and then Apple is really screwed! 

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"Nice" CEO's don't get anything done. Tim Cook is a coddler while Steve Jobs was a doer. Steve must be rolling in his grave right now.

For me, I've patiently waited. My Mac Pro is 5 years old. WWDC better be a head turner or I'll finally be convinced this company "DNA" Steve talked about doesn't exist.

 

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>>Just the way it is right now with Apple>>

 

This mentality that its the market and not Apple is comical at best, but more likely delusional.  Apple screwed up.  Anyone without their head in the sand can see it. They missed a product cycle.  They rested on their laurels.  They misunderstood consumer demand.  Earnings are expected to drop like a rock this quarter, down 23% year over year.  Earnings for the fiscal year are expected to drop 15%.  The market is reacting to a shrinking company, a company that is in a secular growth market but seemingly can't grow any longer.  Any top line expansion is getting eaten up by margin erosion.  Markets they dominate are getting saturated.  Nobody doubts the products are top notch, but the company, the business, the management has certainly lost its luster.  Everyone expected growth to slow at some point.  Few saw this company hitting a wall overnight and earnings grow going from hugely positive to negative in such a short period of time, all while its peers continue to grow.  I can't see how even the most ardent Apple supporters aren't alarmed by the appearance that this company will basically go an entire year without a single new product or announcement.  Nothing.  Who in their right mind manages a company like this and puts everything out all at once.  Competitors have figured out how to beat Apple - move faster and make Apple look bad, take the narrative away......sadly it is working and this has the feel of a self-fulfilling implosion because of the arrogance management is showing.   

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>>Just the way it is right now with Apple>>

This mentality that its the market and not Apple is comical at best, but more likely delusional.  Apple screwed up.  Anyone without their head in the sand can see it. They missed a product cycle.  They rested on their laurels.  They misunderstood consumer demand.  Earnings are expected to drop like a rock this quarter, down 23% year over year.  Earnings for the fiscal year are expected to drop 15%.  The market is reacting to a shrinking company, a company that is in a secular growth market but seemingly can't grow any longer.  Any top line expansion is getting eaten up by margin erosion.  Markets they dominate are getting saturated.  Nobody doubts the products are top notch, but the company, the business, the management has certainly lost its luster.  Everyone expected growth to slow at some point.  Few saw this company hitting a wall overnight and earnings grow going from hugely positive to negative in such a short period of time, all while its peers continue to grow.  I can't see how even the most ardent Apple supporters aren't alarmed by the appearance that this company will basically go an entire year without a single new product or announcement.  Nothing.  Who in their right mind manages a company like this and puts everything out all at once.  Competitors have figured out how to beat Apple - move faster and make Apple look bad, take the narrative away......sadly it is working and this has the feel of a self-fulfilling implosion because of the arrogance management is showing.   
I've said this a million times, what, pray tell, did investors know or expect when they were driving the stock up to $700 that they don't know now? Apple is the same company now as it was 6 months ago. The competitive landscape hasn't changed that much since last summer.

IMO Apple's biggest problem right now is perception more than reality. Apple needs to do a better job of managing the narrative around the company, especially when they go 6+ months with no product announcements. Cook isn't doing a good enough job articulating vision. He says Apple isn't a hardware company but doesn't really give us a vision about what that means beyond them having great stuff in the pipeline. Apple needs a better company spokesperson. Maybe have Schiller or Ive fill that role. But right now they're not controlling the narrative. They're letting the media and Wall Street "analysts" define them. Makes no sense to me.
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Aha, The Shrieker is back, after being gone 3 weeks, since the Earnings Call, not coincidentally, and now that Google has some press, he not coincidentally returns,

He joins a group of nervous Nellies here that disgracefully includes some regulars who ought not to be feeding the Apple-is-behind meme mongers.

Note to you short-sighted "innovation" lovers, Apple does not serve the narcissistic, infantile ADD culture that Google embodies, the tech tweakers that Samsung also serves.

The "hiatus" you handwringers perceive is caused by the difficulty of what Apple has been working on in displays for the last few years. Let's hope you appreciate it when you see it.

Edit: By Shrieker I meant jdnc 123, in case it wasn't obvious.
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Aha, The Shrieker is back, after being gone 3 weeks, since the Earnings Call, not coincidentally, and now that Google has some press, he not coincidentally returns,

He joins a group of nervous Nellies here that disgracefully includes some regulars who ought not to be feeding the Apple-is-behind meme mongers.

Note to you short-sighted "innovation" lovers, Apple does not serve the narcissistic, infantile ADD culture that Google embodies, the tech tweakers that Samsung also serves.

The "hiatus" you handwringers perceive is caused by the difficulty of what Apple has been working on in displays for the last few years. Let's hope you appreciate it when you see it.

Yeah let's hope it's not just an iPhone 5s.

But the rumours are slight this year. So it may be. If it is Apple will trade to $300 or less.

And being an apple fan does not mean being a fan or it's management, all it's decisions or excusing all tardiness.
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He joins a group of nervous Nellies here that disgracefully includes some regulars .....

By that, I assume you mean me. I don't take offense.

 

I am 100% with Rogifan above when he says: "Cook isn't doing a good enough job articulating vision." THAT is my fundamental problem with him. All he does is throw out platitudes. Not an ounce of vision.

 

I'd really like to see/hear what he has to say at ATD in a couple of weeks. So far, every time he has shown up in public to speak for more than a few minutes, the fact is that Apple's stock has taken a dive (indeed, when it fell significantly today, I actually checked to see if Cook had been speaking at some investor conference that I hadn't been aware of!).

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Aha, The Shrieker is back, after being gone 3 weeks, since the Earnings Call, not coincidentally, and now that Google has some press, he not coincidentally returns,

He joins a group of nervous Nellies here that disgracefully includes some regulars who ought not to be feeding the Apple-is-behind meme mongers.

Note to you short-sighted "innovation" lovers, Apple does not serve the narcissistic, infantile ADD culture that Google embodies, the tech tweakers that Samsung also serves.

The "hiatus" you handwringers perceive is caused by the difficulty of what Apple has been working on in displays for the last few years. Let's hope you appreciate it when you see it.

Edit: By Shrieker I meant jdnc 123, in case it wasn't obvious.
For me it's all about messaging and managing the narrative. Right now perception has become reality when it comes to Apple. Hopefully they've got some stuff that will blow us away at WWDC and prove a nervous Nellie like me completely wrong.
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C'mon Apple Radio. Kick all of their butts. 

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I've said this a million times, what, pray tell, did investors know or expect when they were driving the stock up to $700 that they don't know now? Apple is the same company now as it was 6 months ago. The competitive landscape hasn't changed that much since last summer.

IMO Apple's biggest problem right now is perception more than reality. Apple needs to do a better job of managing the narrative around the company, especially when they go 6+ months with no product announcements. Cook isn't doing a good enough job articulating vision. He says Apple isn't a hardware company but doesn't really give us a vision about what that means beyond them having great stuff in the pipeline. Apple needs a better company spokesperson. Maybe have Schiller or Ive fill that role. But right now they're not controlling the narrative. They're letting the media and Wall Street "analysts" define them. Makes no sense to me.

And in my opinion, Apple's "vision" is so goddamned obvious and out there in front of us all that repeating it just gets him, Cook, assailed for being humdrum or overly earnest.

Steve Jobs said, "Our motives are pure. We just want to make great products for people." Tim Cook enlarges that to include "to enrich people's lives."

Yes, these are flat-footed platitudes, but they are the plain truth, and from the point of view of American business history, they are revolutionary. No American consumer company has risen above planned obsolescence and styling quackery for generations.

Putting the customer first is the kind of thing that you say once, and then shut up and go about doing it.

Stop ragging on Tim Cook. What do you want him to say? "We intend to show the world that good taste and the highest possible quality will win in the end"? Or, " We intend to reform education for the world in the 21st century"?

Anything he says will get him in a mess of trouble, or mocked, and it's pandering to those who don't have patience and haven't been listening to what he DID say already.

Edit: Apologies for the tone. Ganging up on Apple when the Don't Be Evil Infants do their yearly In-and-Out thing gets my blood pressure up. Here's the problem: I think we know what Apple's long-range vision is, but it can't be enunciated by Tim Cook without tipping their hand or causing resistance among their competitors, or the hateful public, for that matter? Any specific suggestions?
Edited by Flaneur - 5/15/13 at 12:32pm
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By that, I assume you mean me. I don't take offense.

I am 100% with Rogifan above when he says: "Cook isn't doing a good enough job articulating vision." THAT is my fundamental problem with him. All he does is throw out platitudes. Not an ounce of vision.


I'd really like to see/hear what he has to say at ATD in a couple of weeks. So far, every time he has shown up in public to speak for more than a few minutes, the fact is that Apple's stock has taken a dive (indeed, when it fell significantly today, I actually checked to see if Cook had been speaking at some investor conference that I hadn't been aware of!).
I knew it would be a bad week for Apple this week. Anytime one of their competitors is showing off new stuff the stock takes a nosedive. Tim Cook might be the right guy to operationally run Apple but he's not very good at all as spokesman. I think Apple should let Phil or Jony be the face of the company.
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"Hey everybody.... We got this great new thing called Reader!!!"
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"Hey everybody.... We got this great new thing called iGoogle!!!"
---DEAD

"Hey everybody.... We got this great new thing called Google Desktop!!!"
---DEAD

"Hey everybody.... We got this great new thing called Buzz!!!"
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"Hey everybody.... We bought Aardvark!!!"
---DEAD

"Hey everybody.... We got this great new thing called Google Voice!!!"
---Abandonware, virtually no development in the last year. Last blog entry (that wasn't about Santa Claus which has nothing to do with Google Voice) was May 30, 2012. No MMS support. Last mention of MMS development was October, 2011 by Ilya Frank who, according to his LinkedIn profile, isn't on the Google Voice team anymore. He's working on the Google Games platform.
http://googlevoiceblog.blogspot.com/
http://www.linkedin.com/in/ilyafrank

"Hey everybody.... We got this great new thing called Google Latitude!!!"
---Abandonware, virtually no development in the last year. IOS app isn't even full screen on iPhone 5.

"Hey everybody.... We got this great new thing called Google Plus!!!"
---No one uses it

I'm glad they're innovating, but I don't really want to incorporate new Google technology into my workflow when it's quite likely they're going to let it die on the vine while chasing their next shiny new toy... (Glass?)
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This is the kind of silliness that pervades: "I have my preferences/tastes and everybody else must be like me, so nobody else could/should care if I don't."

 

Do you have kids? Nieces/nephews? Neighbors who are younger? Any interactions at all with today's 15 - 30 year olds?

 

Find out how they're getting and listening to their music today....

No teenager (that I know of) would pay $120 a year for the service.

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And in my opinion, Apple's "vision" is so goddamned obvious and out there in front of us all that repeating it just gets him, Cook, assailed for being humdrum or overly earnest.

Steve Jobs said, "Our motives are pure. We just want to make great products for people." Tim Cook enlarges that to include "to enrich people's lives."

Yes, these are flat-footed platitudes, but they are the plain truth, and from the point of view of American business history, they are revolutionary. No American consumer company has risen above planned obsolescence and styling quackery for generations.

Putting the customer first is the kind of thing that you say once, and then shut up and go about doing it.

Stop ragging on Tim Cook. What do you want him to say? "We intend to show the world that good taste and the highest possible quality will win in the end"? Or, " We intend to reform education for the world in the 21st century"?

Anything he says will get him in a mess of trouble, or mocked, and it's pandering to those who don't have patience and haven't been listening to what he DID say already.

 

Well said.  I think there's also an element of "you guys worry to much about the day to day stock price; we're not about stock price; we're about being a great company making great products."  I for one, would rather Apple focus on making great product than telling great stories to excite investors.  And I'm one of those investors who has lost a lot of money on my AAPL investment in the past year.  Fortunately, I'm still way ahead overall.  The fact is, the Apple innovation and execution cycle is much longer than the market rewards.  When/if Apple roles out the next great thing that revolutionizes a market, the stock price will overreact again and then crash 2 years later when everyone else has figured out how to duplicate the last round of Apple magic.  Oh well.

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You know what's scary?  There are lots of people out there who read "uniquely Google approach" and don't cringe at the implications.  I love the fact that Microsoft is running those Scroogled ads now.  I hope they keep that up.
 

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I knew it would be a bad week for Apple this week. Anytime one of their competitors is showing off new stuff the stock takes a nosedive. Tim Cook might be the right guy to operationally run Apple but he's not very good at all as spokesman. I think Apple should let Phil or Jony be the face of the company.

If you don't mind, take a look at my addition to the post right above this. I really would like to see what you or anatksundaram could come up with that Tim Cook could conceiveably say that would not be a tipoff or get him in trouble.

As for Jony Ive, it's not in his character. He's an artist who thinks in terms that can hardly be given human speech. Not a public speaker in business language, bless him.
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You know what's scary?  There are lots of people out there who read "uniquely Google approach" and don't cringe at the implications.  I love the fact that Microsoft is running those Scroogled ads now.  I hope they keep that up.
 

Yet MS has it's own privacy issues that it would prefer not to discuss.

http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Skype-with-care-Microsoft-is-reading-everything-you-write-1862870.html

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No teenager (that I know of) would pay $120 a year for the service.

I'll grant that's a more intelligent argument than the one that was previously trotted out....

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"Hey everybody.... We got this great new thing called WAVE!!!"
---DEAD

"Hey everybody.... We got this great new thing called Reader!!!"
---DEAD

"Hey everybody.... We got this great new thing called iGoogle!!!"
---DEAD

"Hey everybody.... We got this great new thing called Google Desktop!!!"
---DEAD

"Hey everybody.... We got this great new thing called Buzz!!!"
---DEAD

"Hey everybody.... We bought Aardvark!!!"
---DEAD

"Hey everybody.... We got this great new thing called Google Voice!!!"
---Abandonware, virtually no development in the last year. Last blog entry (that wasn't about Santa Claus which has nothing to do with Google Voice) was May 30, 2012. No MMS support. Last mention of MMS development was October, 2011 by Ilya Frank who, according to his LinkedIn profile, isn't on the Google Voice team anymore. He's working on the Google Games platform.
http://googlevoiceblog.blogspot.com/
http://www.linkedin.com/in/ilyafrank

"Hey everybody.... We got this great new thing called Google Latitude!!!"
---Abandonware, virtually no development in the last year. IOS app isn't even full screen on iPhone 5.

"Hey everybody.... We got this great new thing called Google Plus!!!"
---No one uses it

I'm glad they're innovating, but I don't really want to incorporate new Google technology into my workflow when it's quite likely they're going to let it die on the vine while chasing their next shiny new toy... (Glass?)

You forgot Google Health as well.

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Edit:  with the nearly 5% drop today in Apple and move higher in Google, Google just passed the value of Apple for the first time since 2007 or so, pre-IPhone basically.  

What are you talking about....just checked market valuation and Apple is still approximately $100 Billion larger...nice try though

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And in my opinion, Apple's "vision" is so goddamned obvious and out there in front of us all that repeating it just gets him, Cook, assailed for being humdrum or overly earnest.

Steve Jobs said, "Our motives are pure. We just want to make great products for people." Tim Cook enlarges that to include "to enrich people's lives."

Yes, these are flat-footed platitudes, but they are the plain truth, and from the point of view of American business history, they are revolutionary. No American consumer company has risen above planned obsolescence and styling quackery for generations.

Putting the customer first is the kind of thing that you say once, and then shut up and go about doing it.

Stop ragging on Tim Cook. What do you want him to say? "We intend to show the world that good taste and the highest possible quality will win in the end"? Or, " We intend to reform education for the world in the 21st century"?

Anything he says will get him in a mess of trouble, or mocked, and it's pandering to those who don't have patience and haven't been listening to what he DID say already.

Edit: Apologies for the tone. Ganging up on Apple when the Don't Be Evil Infants do their yearly In-and-Out thing gets my blood pressure up. Here's the problem: I think we know what Apple's long-range vision is, but it can't be enunciated by Tim Cook without tipping their hand or causing resistance among their competitors, or the hateful public, for that matter? Any specific suggestions?

I understand your feelings, but think of Maps. Tim was unaware of how bad it was (for some of the visuals like bridges). Then he made a huge apology and basically said it was bad by telling everyone to go to the Apple Store and get some other map product.

 

My confidence has fallen with him. It appears the market has, too. As far as perception or whatever.

 

Maybe Tim is sweating now.

 

Guess who is making buzz like Steve Jobs? Google is. And they are making great products.

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You forgot Google Health as well.

It might be a little bit premature but I would add Google Glasses. Exceptionally hideous product.

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I think Apple should give Sony more or less what they want and get on with it, they can afford too. Sony have obviously managed to come to agreements with all the other music streaming services, including this latest Google variation. Why not with Apple? The company must be trying to cheap skate on price too much, or Sony just has it in for Apple maybe. But I'm getting a bit fed up with the company falling behind all the other tech entities on all these new developments. I'm worried its going to get to the point that nobody cares anymore, and then Apple is really screwed! 

Didn't you read the article? It was rumored that negotiations with Sony were holding things up, just like it is rumored that Apple is working on some sort of streaming service. Both may be prove to be true but no one knows for sure.
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I really would like to see what you or anatksundaram could come up with that Tim Cook could conceiveably say .....

It's really quite simple.

 

Consider that he is the CEO of the largest (or the second largest, depending on the day), and arguably, the most exciting company in the world. It is a company that, in the past decade-and-a-half, has consistently and radically defined the future of consumer tech. It is a job for which he has been carefully groomed over many years (by one of the greatest visionaries of our time), and one that he actually had experienced (before going solo). He has been an integral part of its second coming.

 

I expect that someone in that role is a thinker, and not just a doer.

 

He should do a major speech addressing the following types of issues (given all of the above, it is not at all a tall task -- I would ask these of a garden variety CEO, let alone a company about which I deeply care as both a consumer and a shareholder):

 

1) Lay out his vision for consumer technology. What is his framework for thinking about the industry and its future?

 

2) Looking ahead to 2025, what are the big forces, the mega-trends, shaping opportunities in the industry? What are the major threats?

 

3) Where does he think the industry is headed? What makes the future exciting? When he gets up every morning, what gets him juiced up about the possibilities that might the next 15 years?

 

4) In the broadest terms, where does he see Apple as a company in 2025? What is his vision for the business? What are its greatest strengths? How does he plan to enhance those strengths? Building? Buying? Enhancing existing positions or creating new products and services? How does he view competition?

 

5) How will supply chains, manufacturing, customer experiences evolve in the future? What leadership role does he see for Apple in these areas?

 

I have little interest in hearing about Apple's product roadmap or ROIC goals or whether or not they have great innovation the pipeline or whether they expect to have an EPS of $100 by 2018. Those are details. I want to know who he is, and what he thinks about the future. Most importantly, I want to have confidence in his framework for thinking about the future.

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