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Google on Wednesday expanded its cross-platform service offerings with a revamped version of Hangouts, now a standalone application for iOS and Android with a focus on video and text conversations within groups.

Update: Google's Hangouts for iOS has gone live and can be downloaded from the App Store now.

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The new Hangouts app will be available Wednesday for Android devices, iOS devices, and on the search company's Chrome browser. It integrates Google Talk, Google + Messenger, and Google's original Hangout video chat service.

The app presents users with a list of recent conversations, and these conversations are persistent, with new information accessible across devices. Users can add and remove participants from conversations and see who exactly has seen what within a particular conversation.

Unifying its diverse communications offerings is part of an ongoing trend for Google, which has been criticized for a lack of focus leading to occasionally lackluster services. Pulling together most of its chat and communication services will bring the search giant into stiffer competition with not only Facebook, but also popular apps like WhatsApp.

The cross-platform Hangouts app will also compete with Apple's FaceTime video chatting service, as well as its iMessage service. While iMessage is restricted to Apple devices such as iPads, iPhones, and Macs, Apple originally intended for FaceTime to be an open standard. The Cupertino company never went through with those plans, though, and FaceTime remains and Apple device exclusive.
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WHY google want to compete with Apple ?
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WHY google want to compete with Apple ?

Because, Apple (Jobs) promised to come onto it with Thermonuclear War. And, Google thinks it is doing the same on Apple.

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Google is so far ahead of Apple in software that it is embarrassing.  Literally seems like varsity team (GOOG) playing versus the jv team (Apple).  

 

What exactly are Apple software engineers doing these days?  

They are doing Google's research and development

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Google is so far ahead of Apple in software that it is embarrassing.  Literally seems like varsity team (GOOG) playing versus the jv team (Apple).  

 

What exactly are Apple software engineers doing these days?  

 

Its going to be Apple turn at the WWDC, we will see and lets hope it gets better.

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1) This is a smart move by Google.

2) Where the hell is their Find My iPhone equivalent for Android?

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Google is so far ahead of Apple in software that it is embarrassing.  Literally seems like varsity team (GOOG) playing versus the jv team (Apple).  

 

What exactly are Apple software engineers doing these days?  

 

Redesigning iOS icons for Johnny.

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@jusephe

Because Google apps are already popular on iOS and a cross-platform app will have a good chance at being more popular than an exclusive-to-a-platform app (iMessage, FaceTime).
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Google is so far ahead of Apple in software that it is embarrassing.  Literally seems like varsity team (GOOG) playing versus the jv team (Apple).  

What exactly are Apple software engineers doing these days?  

seriously, Dude?
I'm typing this on my Galaxsy S4 after 4 years of iPhones, and I can tell you confidently, and as a S/W developer, that Google has a long way to go.

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WHY google want to compete with Apple ?

Typically, when someone pioneers a new market, there are other opportunists that emerge to exploit the new market. Apple had expected competition & copycats. It's not like they haven't been in business for some 35+ years. It's perfectly normal.

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They are doing Google's research and development

LOL

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Google has this appetite for IOS because there no other place they can develop these App without months of delays waiting for carriers updates. Apple has no need to compete with Googles envy to topple the iPhone software. Every year it's the same trend, "look what we can do with IOS".
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Google is so far ahead of Apple in software that it is embarrassing.  Literally seems like varsity team (GOOG) playing versus the jv team (Apple).  

What exactly are Apple software engineers doing these days?  
Why are you here exactly? Nothing worse than a concern troll. 1rolleyes.gif
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Google is so far ahead of Apple in software that it is embarrassing.  Literally seems like varsity team (GOOG) playing versus the jv team (Apple).  

What exactly are Apple software engineers doing these days?  
Why are you here exactly? Nothing worse than a concern troll. 1rolleyes.gif
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I think in NET terms, Android has been a complete loser for Google ($8Bn in Motorola acquisition costs, many more billions in Android development, etc, and they still make more money from iOS than Android. For Samsung, however, it is a different story). However, this approach, of building services which span across all platforms is an absolute winner, and will make them far more powerful than any supposed Android domination.

 

Basically, we have a situation where you have the internet layer, but a more useful and popular Google layer over it. This Google layer includes maps (#1), communication (might become #1 with this announcement), search (#1), shopping (woefully behind), social (way behind), email (#1), etc. Google will make a lot more money, and be far more successful with this strategy, as opposed to the Android vs. iOS one.

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Because, Apple (Jobs) promised to come onto it with Thermonuclear War. And, Google thinks it is doing the same on Apple.

That's not the reason. Don't be childish. This isn't "payback."

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They are doing Google's research and development

 

This seems sad but true.

 

I sold my iPad 3 to buy a Nexus 7 (for the smaller size) a few months before the mini came out.  One thing I've noticed with a fair number of games, on iOS they are $0.99, and free on Android (ad-sponsored).  I wonder if this has anything to do with friends that do have an android device are much more likely to have rooted it and pirate most, if not all their apps.

 

As someone who's more interested in drawing and making music, Android is a poor platform as quality apps are impossible to find.  I'm going to wait for the new A7 iPads to come out and switch back immediately.

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seriously, Dude?
I'm typing this on my Galaxsy S4 after 4 years of iPhones, and I can tell you confidently, and as a S/W developer, that Google has a long way to go.

This. I can honestly browse webpages faster on my ancient ORIGINAL iphone, than the Galaxy S3. Stuff like transitions happening in sequence, rather than simultaneously, make the S3 seem slower even if an exact stopwatch time test might show it to be marginally faster.

 

Apple has done a fantastic job with iOS. Androids are trying to compensate with throwing bigger hardware at the problem.

 

OTOH, where Apple fails is:

1) Building online services. iCloud is much better than its previous iterations, and in a world without Google, would be considered best of breed. However, Google does exist, and their online services are better.

2) Platforms (not OSes). Apple's desire to limit its platforms to Apple devices severely limit their success. iMessage would have been the runaway leader in messaging if Apple had expanded it to Android/WP7/etc. OTOH, by providing a cross platform Hangout service, it will be very easy for Google to sweep in and take leadership in this role.

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That's not the reason. Don't be childish. This isn't "payback."

I cant think that you took it seriously. lol.gif

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Google is so far ahead of Apple in software that it is embarrassing.  Literally seems like varsity team (GOOG) playing versus the jv team (Apple).  

 

What exactly are Apple software engineers doing these days?  

 

Busy creating and polishing things that the average person will be able to use.

 

As I was reading through a summary of the Google I/O conference, I found myself thinking two things:

 

  1. As usual, Google is creating a lot of stuff that geeks will spend their lives learning how to use, but that people outside of the tech industry won't use much, if at all.  Especially given the nasty disposition many Google evangelists tend to have due to the fact that they've spent far more time learning all the details about everything Google creates than actually interacting with real people.
  2. Most of this requires you to have your whole life exposed to Google.  For example, searching for information about "your trip" requires you to book your flights, hotels, etc through services or apps which tie into Google somehow.  No thanks.
 
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A better name would be Google Messages
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Google is so far ahead of Apple in software that it is embarrassing.  Literally seems like varsity team (GOOG) playing versus the jv team (Apple).  

What exactly are Apple software engineers doing these days?  

Far ahead in what sense?
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Apple can kick google in the nuts here by following through with their promise to open FaceTime for standards based interop. Google could do the same, but Apple's client calling standards based solutions will give the, a long term lock and they won't have to put out a client for another OS.
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I just took a look at their Hangouts page to check how they are dealing with video in the Chrome browser for the desktop. I couldn't find any information on how the browser accesses the camera. Skype and Flash both give you settings for the user to allow the app to access the camera, but does Chrome? I could not find anything in the preferences.

 

You would think that OS X would force the browser to alert the user if the web page wanted access to the camera.

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A better name would be Google Messages

Agree
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This seems sad but true.

 

I sold my iPad 3 to buy a Nexus 7 (for the smaller size) a few months before the mini came out.  One thing I've noticed with a fair number of games, on iOS they are $0.99, and free on Android (ad-sponsored).  I wonder if this has anything to do with friends that do have an android device are much more likely to have rooted it and pirate most, if not all their apps.

 

As someone who's more interested in drawing and making music, Android is a poor platform as quality apps are impossible to find.  I'm going to wait for the new A7 iPads to come out and switch back immediately.

If you really want to draw on a tablet get a windows 8 Dell or Lenovo tablet and use ArtRage studio Pro with their built in Wacom Digitizer pen (the Lenovo comes with it the - Dell is 39 extra) and you better off.

 

We have the Lenovo ThinkPad 2 at work ( windows 8 + Wacom + ArtRage) and I cant remember the last time I drew on my iPad setup  (iPad + Artrage + JotTouch)

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I dont know how much traction it will gain, I don't use Facebook Messenger much, even though it looks pretty.  It's another app I have to use separately.  iMessage is integrated into the SMS interface and almost everyone I know has an iDevice and for those who do not I can use the same app to message them anyway. I don't pay for SMS irregardless.  It may have interesting features but it is not going to kill off iMessage anytime soon. 

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If you really want to draw on a tablet get a windows 8 Dell or Lenovo tablet and use ArtRage studio Pro with their built in Wacom Digitizer pen (the Lenovo comes with it the - Dell is 39 extra) and you better off.

 

We have the Lenovo ThinkPad 2 at work ( windows 8 + Wacom + ArtRage) and I cant remember the last time I drew on my iPad setup  (iPad + Artrage + JotTouch)

 

I use ArtRage Pro and PaintTool SAI on my Windows box.  The problem is I don't want the weight of a laptop.  I had a Galaxy Note 10.1, but as I said, drawing apps for Android are crap, and a mobile version of ArtRage is only available for iOS.  Not to mention that Samsung Note flexed and felt like the plastic piece of junk it was (though it had a pressure sensitive S-Pen, which was laughably too short for serious work).  The time I've spent with Microsoft Surface didn't make me inclined to purchase that either.

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Sounds like competition with MS Skype as well on iOS.
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I dont know how much traction it will gain, I don't use Facebook Messenger much, even though it looks pretty.  It's another app I have to use separately.  iMessage is integrated into the SMS interface and almost everyone I know has an iDevice and for those who do not I can use the same app to message them anyway. I don't pay for SMS irregardless.  It may have interesting features but it is not going to kill off iMessage anytime soon. 

And then there's a rest of the world. Apple should make iMessage cross platform. iOS users would benefit.
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Apple must go all in and attack search and online advertising in a huge way. Go for the soft underbelly, Apple!

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I agree

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Apple must go all in and attack search and online advertising in a huge way. Go for the soft underbelly, Apple!

This, totally.

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OTOH, by providing a cross platform Hangout service, it will be very easy for Google to sweep in and take leadership in this role.

I don't see it, for one reason:
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I dont know how much traction it will gain, I don't use Facebook Messenger much, even though it looks pretty.  It's another app I have to use separately.  iMessage is integrated into the SMS interface and almost everyone I know has an iDevice and for those who do not I can use the same app to message them anyway. I don't pay for SMS irregardless.  It may have interesting features but it is not going to kill off iMessage anytime soon. 
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This. I can honestly browse webpages faster on my ancient ORIGINAL iphone, than the Galaxy S3. Stuff like transitions happening in sequence, rather than simultaneously, make the S3 seem slower even if an exact stopwatch time test might show it to be marginally faster.

 

Apple has done a fantastic job with iOS. Androids are trying to compensate with throwing bigger hardware at the problem.

 

OTOH, where Apple fails is:

1) Building online services. iCloud is much better than its previous iterations, and in a world without Google, would be considered best of breed. However, Google does exist, and their online services are better.

2) Platforms (not OSes). Apple's desire to limit its platforms to Apple devices severely limit their success. iMessage would have been the runaway leader in messaging if Apple had expanded it to Android/WP7/etc. OTOH, by providing a cross platform Hangout service, it will be very easy for Google to sweep in and take leadership in this role.

 

iTools was free and rocked. Moreover, it had iDisk, free email, and fun things like iCards. iCloud is nice, but not as fun as Apple's original iTools. I also don't see a need for cross platform messaging. iMessage sends text to non-apple phones. Where cross patform would be nice is with facetime. 

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I own a ton of stock and am unhappy.

As I predicted awhile back, Google just surpassed the value of Apple for first time since iPhone was released in 2007. Nice job Tim Cook!

Apple has market cap of 402 billion. Google has 300 billion.
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A better name would be Google Messages

gMessage.

Count me out. I dont want google searching my messages and videos to extract info.
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I also don't see a need for cross platform messaging.

I do, which is why I use email.

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Apple has market cap of 402 billion. Google has 300 billion.

No idea why they let blatant trolls say on the forum.

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Trying to take iChat for smartphones huh? Apple found better ways 3 years ago.
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I also don't see a need for cross platform messaging. iMessage sends text to non-apple phones.  

 

Not if you are on an iPad. It would be great to have cross platform - or as an alternative free integrated SMS through the web (like Google provides for free with Google Voice) - on iPad.

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Not if you are on an iPad. It would be great to have cross platform - or as an alternative free integrated SMS through the web (like Google provides for free with Google Voice) - on iPad.

Just tell your friends to get an iDevice. Most of my friends have iDevices and the ones who don't are left out of things. 1smile.gif
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