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post #41 of 69
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Originally Posted by johnnyb0731 View Post

One thing I wish you could do in iTunes is the ability to tie two songs together so even if on shuffle they'll always be played back to back


Here's how you do it (in version 10, anyway):

 

Select the songs you want to play together. Select Get Info from the File Menu or type Command-I. Put something unique in the Grouping field. Click the OK button.

 

Voila! Songs with the same group value will now play as a group.

post #42 of 69
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Originally Posted by september11th View Post

I miss version 10's browser. Artist browser column on the left, songs on the right. I honestly can't imagine how anyone uses the other views productively.

I'm still using iTunes 9 because of its flexibility - especially being able to scale the artwork in list view as large as I want (and the album names are underneath the artwork instead of to the side). It's much more attractive. Fortunately, I don't need the features of version 10 or 11.

post #43 of 69
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Originally Posted by jabohn View Post

Also, I have a similar problem where you switch from music to somewhere else like the App Store and then switch back to music and the song you had selected is no longer selected, is goes back to the first song alphabetically.

Not for me, it stays where I left it.

post #44 of 69
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Originally Posted by mistergsf View Post

Why is it that when I am in the Music Library, Songs view (with the Sidebar visible, which I prefer), viewing an Artist and showing all Albums and playing a track, if I go to iTunes Store to browse, and then back to Music Library, I end up at the top of my Library (in the A's) and not where I was before?

 

If I do the very same thing, but with the Sidebar hidden, I end up exactly where I was before.  Can someone try this and confirm it's a bug?

Nothing moves, the views stays the same, when I do this regardless of whether the sidebar was visible or not.

post #45 of 69
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

 

Opening and forcibly drawing focus to are wholly different.

Except that basically all applications do this. I just tried dragging a photo onto the Preview dock icon, the a text files onto a text editor, then a presentation onto Keynote.

 

Can you give me some examples where this is not happening?

post #46 of 69
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Originally Posted by websnap View Post

Nope, I verified with a few I input myself (Beatles White Album as well as Floyd's The Wall I imported from vinyl) worked just fine. All I had was the disk info entered (Disk 1 of 2) and the Album field with just the album name (not "The Wall, Disk 1" for example).

 

Aha! That was it.  I always included in my Album names, [Disc 1] and [Disc 2] because it helped when browsing.  Now that I've removed it, it works!

 

Thanks, websnap.

post #47 of 69
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Originally Posted by noirdesir View Post

Nothing moves, the views stays the same, when I do this regardless of whether the sidebar was visible or not.

 

Hmmm.  This is frustrating. Thanks for that.  Would you mind telling me in what Sort Order you're in when in Songs view?

post #48 of 69
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Originally Posted by jabohn View Post

Also, I have a similar problem where you switch from music to somewhere else like the App Store and then switch back to music and the song you had selected is no longer selected, is goes back to the first song alphabetically.

 

This happens to me too!  But I see that noirdesir has replied to both of us that it doesn't happen to him.  Are you in Songs view when it happens? Can you tell me what Sort Order you are in?

post #49 of 69
The main thing about itunes 11 for me was a removal of the DJ/random play. I find it so cumbersome to work around that with v11 that my main machine is still running v10, and will probably keeping running v10 only until I'm forced to upgrade for compatibility with some new HW I want to use.
post #50 of 69
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Originally Posted by johnnyb0731 View Post

One thing I wish you could do in iTunes is the ability to tie two songs together so even if on shuffle they'll always be played back to back

 

Or at least have block party shuffle mode...  Allow us to shuffle a playlist, but play all songs grouped by same artist (album or other criteria).

post #51 of 69

The only thing that bugged me (and they probably didn't fix it) is the "Album View - Sort by Date" issue. Where Sgt. Pepper's and Magical Mystery Tour are not displayed in the correct release order (both 1967)   1frown.gif

post #52 of 69
I wish Apple would get over their fetish with album art and Cover Flow. I wouldn't care if I never saw the stupid and often pretentious graphics again. This also goes for Netflix, where they seem to think all their customers are illiterate, and only want to tap on pretty pictures (which take 50x longer to download) rather than a list of titles, which are far more memory-efficient. Waiting for pictures of titles I will never watch to load, which then cause the app to crash because it ran out of memory, is really damn annoying. Not to mention having to scroll through the stupid icons, which lazily load, again slowing things down and causing more memory pressure. The written word has served humans quite well for the last few thousand years, precisely because it's so efficient. Use it.
post #53 of 69
From the article:

"Release notes for the software state that users can now see their album artwork while in Songs View with iTunes 11.0.3."

How do I activate this?
post #54 of 69
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Originally Posted by treeplate View Post

From the article:

"Release notes for the software state that users can now see their album artwork while in Songs View with iTunes 11.0.3."

How do I activate this?

 

Go to View>View Options, then check Show Artwork at the top of panel.

post #55 of 69
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Originally Posted by elroth View Post

I'm still using iTunes 9 because of its flexibility - especially being able to scale the artwork in list view as large as I want (and the album names are underneath the artwork instead of to the side). It's much more attractive. Fortunately, I don't need the features of version 10 or 11.

This is how i used to do it too. I preferred this. It was the only place where I used and liked cover flow. I wish they'd put this back. I care about seeing the art clearly with the song list. An album at a time in the main view. Not a cluttered pile of albums. I don't use the tag system to organize because it fails and you never know what tags are inconsistent (in database terms). I use manually created playlists and playlist folders because it's the only way to have real control and organization. They've made changes to iTunes that assume tags are 100% reliable when they are actually far from it. Manual playlists aren't ever what the focus was but it should always have been. Now they're making users of playlists even more annoyed.
post #56 of 69
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Originally Posted by johnnyb0731 View Post

One thing I wish you could do in iTunes is the ability to tie two songs together so even if on shuffle they'll always be played back to back

 

THEN DO THIS -->

http://www.apple.com/feedback/itunesapp.html

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post #57 of 69
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Originally Posted by ColonelMustard View Post

I wish Apple would get over their fetish with album art and Cover Flow. I wouldn't care if I never saw the stupid and often pretentious graphics again. This also goes for Netflix, where they seem to think all their customers are illiterate, and only want to tap on pretty pictures (which take 50x longer to download) rather than a list of titles, which are far more memory-efficient. Waiting for pictures of titles I will never watch to load, which then cause the app to crash because it ran out of memory, is really damn annoying. Not to mention having to scroll through the stupid icons, which lazily load, again slowing things down and causing more memory pressure. The written word has served humans quite well for the last few thousand years, precisely because it's so efficient. Use it.

 

But a picture is worth a thousand words.

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post #58 of 69

No, in iTunes 11.0.3 you can no longer click on the artwork to get a separate window. It just makes the miniplayer bigger. 

post #59 of 69
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Originally Posted by mistergsf View Post

Why is it that when I am in the Music Library, Songs view (with the Sidebar visible, which I prefer), viewing an Artist and showing all Albums and playing a track, if I go to iTunes Store to browse, and then back to Music Library, I end up at the top of my Library (in the A's) and not where I was before?

It's the same with the Movies section. If I'm in the movies section, in the Rented tab, with a description open, and I click away to the music section to check on something, when I come back to the movies section everything is reset. It's not in the rented tab any more and when I switch it to the rented tab the description has been closed.

 

With all the effort Apple put in to making apps keep their state when you quit them (which is great), iTunes doesn't even keep it's state switching from area to area.

post #60 of 69
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Originally Posted by jovike View Post

No, in iTunes 11.0.3 you can no longer click on the artwork to get a separate window. It just makes the miniplayer bigger. 

Damn. I guess mini-player is such a big hit nobody want to bother with big cover art anymore?

post #61 of 69
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Originally Posted by mistergsf View Post

 

Aha! That was it.  I always included in my Album names, [Disc 1] and [Disc 2] because it helped when browsing.  Now that I've removed it, it works!

 

Thanks, websnap.

 

No problem, anytime.

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post #62 of 69
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Originally Posted by jabohn View Post

Amen to this. Please go to apple.com/feedback and report it.

Bugs the tar out of me.

 

Also, I have a similar problem where you switch from music to somewhere else like the App Store and then switch back to music and the song you had selected is no longer selected, is goes back to the first song alphabetically.

 

Done and done. I completely agree, it's extremely annoying how it always goes back to the beginning of the collection.

post #63 of 69
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Originally Posted by ColonelMustard View Post

I wish Apple would get over their fetish with album art and Cover Flow. I wouldn't care if I never saw the stupid and often pretentious graphics again. This also goes for Netflix, where they seem to think all their customers are illiterate, and only want to tap on pretty pictures (which take 50x longer to download) rather than a list of titles, which are far more memory-efficient. Waiting for pictures of titles I will never watch to load, which then cause the app to crash because it ran out of memory, is really damn annoying. Not to mention having to scroll through the stupid icons, which lazily load, again slowing things down and causing more memory pressure. The written word has served humans quite well for the last few thousand years, precisely because it's so efficient. Use it.

 

Wow, really? well, you are in the minority. Hands down my favorite aspect of iTunes. It sounds pretty pretentious that you are above art. I have very fond memories of flipping through album packaging when either buying or later listening to very influential music - and that created some of the greatest memories I have. Sitting with friends and fam listening to great music and I associate the covers to the experience. People like it. You don't. Click on song view if you are so much more efficient with lists. To me, that view might as well open up in Excel... yesh.

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post #64 of 69

Finally the mini player isn't a complete fail anymore.

For the rest? I'm still considering going back to iTunes 10.

post #65 of 69
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Originally Posted by websnap View Post

Wow, really? well, you are in the minority. Hands down my favorite aspect of iTunes. It sounds pretty pretentious that you are above art. I have very fond memories of flipping through album packaging when either buying or later listening to very influential music - and that created some of the greatest memories I have. Sitting with friends and fam listening to great music and I associate the covers to the experience. People like it. You don't. Click on song view if you are so much more efficient with lists. To me, that view might as well open up in Excel... yesh.

Agreed! As someone who grew up collecting record albums and reading liner notes, I loved the album art and there are too many classics to list here. Now with iTunes and digital, aside from the music itself, the cover art is what links me to the artist and the fond memories of the analog days.
post #66 of 69

I have good memories of going through our assembled CD collection too. My Uncles and I pooled all of our music together in one amazing listening room with probably around 2000 cd's, tapes and vinyl lining the walls. Analogue, digital... it didn't matter. I never used spines, I always flipped though. Covers are how we know albums. No one has a T-shirt that just says Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon. They have a black shirt with a light beam shining through a prism. There is an instant acknowledgement to an emotional connection. I send them a nod, they send one back... neither of us need the track list.

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post #67 of 69

The mini player looks nicer, but still only scrolls long titles once. Using the Windows version.
 

post #68 of 69
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Originally Posted by elroth View Post

I'm still using iTunes 9 because of its flexibility - especially being able to scale the artwork in list view as large as I want (and the album names are underneath the artwork instead of to the side). 

I suspect the reason you can't scale the art is that it is no longer implemented as a custom NSView subclass but is just a web page embedded in iTunes. To do zooming they would have to do some tricky Javascript and it probably wouldn't come out that well anyway.

 

The Apple framework developers have put a lot of effort in to making easy to use controls, with Core Animation for doing awesome zooming and panning, and the iTunes guys don't use any of it, they just do web pages for everything, and it shows.

post #69 of 69
Restoring album art to list view goes a long way to making iTunes 11 usable again with large libraries. Too bad they make it so convoluted to switch those views though. The iTunes 10 way of just clicking the icon at top right to switch views (including separate list and album list, as well as cover flow) was so much better.

Mini player is much better too, at least scrubbing is back!

Now if only they'd restore the proper title bar, and the now playing album art in the sidebar!
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