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During Job's tenure, Apple sold millions of iPhones before lunch on launch day + recreated markets every week.

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Well, duh! :)

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I think a lot of you care too much.

You certainly do. Enough to want to post multiple times.

Which is a bit weird, given your post......
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To be fair it's better to be safe than sorry. Even today people credit Apple with inventing things they didn't invent. Perfected? Refined? Evolved? Sure. But not invent.

Who said "invent" (except you)?
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People think Apple invented the smartphone period (no one here I don't think or on any tech site but out in the world), they think they invented capacitive screens, multi touch, installable apps, MP3 players, tablets, the mouse, the GUI, and that's all I can think of.

There would probably be a lot less resistance to giving credit where credit is due if people didn't try and give ALL credit where it isn't due.

 

I think what you say is mostly true.

 

But in the case of the smartphone, for example, yes they existed before the iPhone.  Apple didn't invent the smartphone.  But they DID invent a MARKET for smartphones.  To a somewhat lesser degree, the same is also true for MP3 players.  One day they were a rather obscure device that people certainly had, but the market wasn't really all that large.  Then, BAM!, and all of a sudden everyone at the coffee shop has little white earbud wires.

 

So, while it's true that Apple didn't just come up with these things out of the ether (and really, an MP3 is just a refinement on a Walkman, which is just a ... you get the idea), the did create the markets for these devices.

 

And I'll argue until the day I die that iTunes has changed the world.  And no, I'm not being dramatic.  

post #125 of 192

Quit trying to birth a meme using this "flawgic" nonsense. Memes happen when they appeal to people and they want to repeat it. This one is just clumsy and idiotic.

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post #126 of 192
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There is an incredible double standard being applied by these so called "analysts". What almost all of them are lacking is perspective. Admittedly Apple has hit a ceiling and it needs to grow sideways if it wants to keep increasing its bottom line. Analysts are crazy about Samsung because Samsung can only go up while Apple can only go down, and that is being reflected in the chatter as well as the stock value.

Apple really does need to re-ignite some excitement in its products. I don't know whether that means entering a new market, improving current products, or revamping iOS itself. Whatever the case may be, though, Apple needs to do something quickly. We will have a better idea of what's happening by this fall. If all we see by then are recycled designs and nothing really new, Apple will be in trouble.

You are either clueless, a troll or possibly a clueless troll when it comes to any Apple product. Putting you on my ignore list.

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post #127 of 192
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Normally Dilger's bias bothers me in his AI articles.  They often feel more like homerism than journalism (though I'm finding him to be a great podcast guest), and it's hard to dig out the useful new information.

 

This time, I was relieved to see the byline.  It's become the new media-herd position to say Samsung's up and Apple's down.  There's probably some truth to the herd's inspiration -- Apple's level of growth was too meteoric to sustain forever, and Samsung is clearly eating the Android profit pie -- but these biased as crud, lazy headlines are really starting to bug me.  It's too easy to ramp up the latest herd-speak in the name of click-mongering.

 

Thanks, Eran.  Or Daniel.  Or Dilger.

 

To be fair, they are (almost always) marked "Editorial" as this one was.  An editorial is inherently biased, and does not play by the same rules as standard journalism.

 

OTOH, as we've learned many times before and from this very editorial, most "journalists" don't play by the standard rules of journalism, either.

post #128 of 192
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Have you ever heard of a thing called Micro SD?

 

So you get persuaded to switch, wonder why KIES cannot sync the music from your iPhone, so have to head back to the store for another purchase.

 

Great experience, called "not living up to the hype".

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post #129 of 192
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Nobody invented anything. Everything is evolution from something. Even the wheel is an evolution from a square, for practical uses.

It all started with a gigantic fart, and the universe was created.

Thank you.

Only a ass would credit a gigantic fart in creating the universe.
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post #130 of 192
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Quit the nitpicky crap.

We all know exactly what he meant, in context.

Really? Let someone say "Apple stole from Xerox", and let's see how many 'nitpickers' pop up.
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post #131 of 192
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Quit the nitpicky crap.

We all know exactly what he meant, in context.

Really? Let someone say "Apple stole from Xerox", and let's see how many 'nitpickers' pop up.

"Microsoft saved Apple once, how foolish by them. Did they even knew that those massive patent trolls, that sue legit and hard working companies, like samsung, based on rectangles and rounded corners, also stole the GUI from Xerox?"

 

I guess this is the most inflammatory sentence ever written.

post #132 of 192
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Quit the nitpicky crap.

We all know exactly what he meant, in context.

Really? Let someone say "Apple stole from Xerox", and let's see how many 'nitpickers' pop up.

In what context would the statement "Apple stole from Xerox" be apt?

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"Microsoft saved Apple once, how foolish by them. Did they even knew that those massive patent trolls, that sue legit and hard working companies, like samsung, based on rectangles and rounded corners, also stole the GUI from Xerox?"

 

I guess this is the most inflammatory sentence ever written.

I'm wrong, the best one would be:

 

"I own several Apple products, and I'm long AAPL, but Microsoft saved Apple once, how foolish by them. Did they even knew that those massive patent trolls, that sue legit and hard working companies, like samsung, based on rectangles and rounded corners, also stole the GUI from Xerox? Steve would never do that."

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In what context would the statement "Apple stole from Xerox" be apt?

It wouldn't be apt which is my point.
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post #135 of 192
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People think Apple invented the smartphone period (no one here I don't think or on any tech site but out in the world), they think they invented capacitive screens, multi touch, installable apps, MP3 players, tablets, the mouse, the GUI, and that's all I can think of.

There would probably be a lot less resistance to giving credit where credit is due if people didn't try and give ALL credit where it isn't due.
Quite honestly the people I know spend very little time thinking about who invented what. They just use the devices they like and get on with their life. It's just the media and tech press that is obsessed with who was first at something. But if we're going to go down this path how many things has Google been first at? They might be the best at what they do but where were they first?
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To be fair it's better to be safe than sorry. Even today people credit Apple with inventing things they didn't invent. Perfected? Refined? Evolved? Sure. But not invent.

 

You know, I've never heard a single person in real life, or read a single time on the internet, a claim from ANYONE that Apple invented anything that trolls who want to bash Apple and Apple users keep insisting is actually happening. It's just a cowardly straw man. 

 

LOL APPLE FANBOYS THINK APPLE INVENTED EVERYTHING

 

Why the hell don't you provide some specific examples, or ONE specific example of what you state? Ina  desperate attempt to bash Apple or pretend that anyone who uses an Apple product is ill informed and ignorant, the claim you make is repeated again, and again, and again- yet I've yet to hear or read a single instance that backs up that claim. You pretend that people are saying things that they're not. What is the meaning of "invent" anyway? Apple developed the first modern smartphone and the first modern tablet, which became the templates for pretty much all smartphones and tablets today. These products contained thousands of innovations, both software and hardware, so I'm not sure at what point you can put a stamp of "invent" on anything anymore. It is not possible at this point for a single company to create something COMPLETELY NEW in a vacuum, that has never ever been attempted in any way by anyone else, and the whole nothing of claiming "lol apple didn't invent anything" is so inherently childish. The word has become meaningless and irrelevant, used to dismiss and mock real innovations that are actually moving things forward.  I can tell from your username you're going to be quite the tiresome troll. 


Edited by Slurpy - 5/18/13 at 3:14pm
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It wouldn't be apt which is my point.

You obviously have trouble understanding context.

 

Not that there's anything wrong with that. Except it's kind of pointless to try and have a meaningful conversation such nitpickers....

 

Sigh. Not the first time, and it won't won't be the last, with your posts.

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Nice to see DED telling it exactly like it is.
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One-third of the Galaxy S4 models don't come with LTE. This includes the International version with the big.LITTLE architecture. Can you image the backlash if Apple had LTE in a device one year and then removed it the next year? 

What are you implying with this comment?  Many parts of the world do not have LTE service, yet, therefore the S4 is tweaked for those markets.  This is the same thing they did with the S3 - the international version did not have LTE.

 

Do all iPhone 5's sold in all markets have LTE?  No. It doesn't in China (model ME039CH/A), and I hear the backlash has been horrible, Apple has only sold millions of the iPhone 5 to the Chinese.

post #140 of 192
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You obviously have trouble understanding context.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. Except it's kind of pointless to try and have a meaningful conversation such nitpickers....

Sigh. Not the first time, and it won't won't be the last, with your posts.

When someone is wrong they're wrong screw context. It shouldn't matter if it's pro-Apple or con-Apple. I've been wrong plenty on here, and have been corrected. I'm just paying it forward.
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post #141 of 192
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This is the same thing they did with the S3 - the international version did not have LTE.

Yes, there was an option to get LTE in the International model HENCE MY FUCKING POST!!!

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post #142 of 192
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Do all iPhone 5's sold in all markets have LTE? No. It doesn't in China (model ME039CH/A), and I hear the backlash has been horrible, Apple has only sold millions of the iPhone 5 to the Chinese.

So Apple took LTE out of the iPhone 5 for China? Really?! Or are you improperly stating that LTE is not supported on China Telecom or China Unicom for the iPhone 5 as the LTE in the device is not compatible with the LTE options for those carriers in that country?

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post #143 of 192
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I think you are missing the point. Samsung's growth is smoke and mirrors. This became clear when they were forced to supply real sales numbers during trial. They shipped 10 Million in 30 days to stores.  Apple sold half that many in three days with supply limitations but this same company claimed Apple's 1.7 Million per day was a failure, while Samsung's 333 thousand per day is a great success.  

 

 

The court document revealed Samsung 2010 US sales only. *yawn*

post #144 of 192
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Samsung is hurting HTC, Sony and other Android manufacturers the most making 94.7% of Android handset PROFITS last quarter, LG took 2.5% all the others share the rest between them.

 

It seems the American press favours foreign companies over their own, do they want a world which is 100% Samsung?

 

Will the world be happy when Google's "freedom of choice" boils down to which Samsung handset to buy?

 

Not really..   HTC, Sony and other Android manufacturer's achieved the level of sales / profit Samsung did. 

 

Sure, how can the American press favor a US company that funnels' most of its profit to oversea subsidiaries and employee slave-wage laborers (cough*)?  ;)

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People think Apple invented the smartphone period (no one here I don't think or on any tech site but out in the world), they think they invented capacitive screens, multi touch, installable apps, MP3 players, tablets, the mouse, the GUI, and that's all I can think of.

There would probably be a lot less resistance to giving credit where credit is due if people didn't try and give ALL credit where it isn't due.


Apple invented multi-touch smartphone. Your logic is very twisted.  According to your logic a great artist did not create a great painting.  He just used different colors of paints and put them on a canvas. And all software developers did not create anything.  They just type the ASIC characters into files. 


Edited by tzeshan - 5/18/13 at 5:50pm
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Originally Posted by Loptimist View Post
Have you ever heard of a thing called Micro SD?

 

That thing on which you can't even put apps? YEP! Ha!


Originally Posted by realitychecks 
Perfected? Refined? Evolved? Sure. But not invent.

 

Like what? Nonsense.


Originally Posted by pedromartins View Post
Nobody invented anything. Everything is evolution from something. Even the wheel is an evolution from a square, for practical uses.

 

Ha! That's a great one.


Originally Posted by realitychecks 
You are being excessively hostile for no reason. Just don't talk to me and I won't talk to you. If you see me post assume it was directed at everyone but you. I don't have time for people who get so worked up over such a harmless comment to the point of calling me all sorts of names. What the hell is wrong with you?

 

Then don't post on a public forum. What's wrong with YOU?!

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So Apple took LTE out of the iPhone 5 for China? Really?! Or are you improperly stating that LTE is not supported on China Telecom or China Unicom for the iPhone 5 as the LTE in the device is not compatible with the LTE options for those carriers in that country?

LTE can be activated by a carrier update, like my one did last week as my network prepares to roll out LTE.
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This is the same thing they did with the S3 - the international version did not have LTE.

Yes, there was an option to get LTE in the International model HENCE MY FUCKING POST!!!

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See, Mother Teresa, I told you (you should have seen HER in a foul mood).... ;-)

He gets his mothers mixed up, one minute Mother Teresa the next Mother F'er. Either a Gemini or bipolar, maybe both.
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Yes, there was an option to get LTE in the International model HENCE MY FUCKING POST!!!

WHAT FUCKING INTERNATIONAL MODEL HAD A FUCKING OPTION TO GET FUCKING LTE AS MENTIONED IN YOUR FUCKING POST THAT IS NOW FUCKING NO LONGER AVAILABLE WITH FUCKING LTE?
 

 

International variants:

The S3 GT-I9300 has no LTE.  The S3 GT-I9305 has LTE.

The S4 GT-I9500 has no LTE.  The S4 GT-I9505 has LTE. 


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WHAT FUCKING INTERNATIONAL MODEL HAD A FUCKING OPTION TO GET FUCKING LTE AS MENTIONED IN YOUR FUCKING POST THAT IS NOW FUCKING NO LONGER AVAILABLE AS WITH FUCKING LTE?

The Galaxy SIII 4G.
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The Galaxy SIII 4G.

Which specific Galaxy S3 model is that?  And are you saying that this model had LTE at some point and now has no LTE (the same model)?

post #153 of 192
I think people missed the real reason for the positive Samsung articles: Media always give favorite views to its biggest advertisers. Samsung knows this and decides to out-spend Apple to get the "most favorable" status.
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I have to think Cook is well aware that Apple's showman is gone and that allowing no new products for such a long time will make Apple "look" even worse despite record breaking sales and profits. Perhaps I'm just an optimist but I have think Cook knows he needs to prove himself and ease the minds pf shareholders and consumers, and will do so in a very spectacular way this year once some items fall into place.

 

 

I agree. Either Apple has something spectacular up its sleeves, or they learned their lesson from last fall when they launched the new iMac prematurely.

 

But, given that the iPad "refresh" was calculatedly released in the fall (rather than this spring), one has to wonder if they are resetting the schedule on purpose to concentrate making a bang on all fronts during the Christmas season. Alternatively, they knew they would not be ready with a significantly new iPad by this March, and sneaked in a slight refresh in the fall (which would have been anti-climatic if done in March).

 

Regardless, the current "lull" appears to be a calculated gamble to allow everything to fall into place for a gangbuster Christmas shopping season.

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1) Everyone on this thread understands that Samsung is successful, but you're ignoring the basis of the article that notes the same author referring to slower pace as successful and a faster rate as unsuccessful.

2) Samsung hasn't had supply constraints but they've also sold a lot less than Apple has in a given time frame. Or are you suggesting that Apple 5 million in 3 days stopped cold for at least the next 25 days which proves Samsung can make and sell 2x as many devices as Apple for a given time frame?

 

It's not all that hard really.  Now is it?  It's  a matter of reality not meeting expectations.  All that hype (previously expertly managed by Apple) helps Apple while selling a device.  But when not managed well, it takes on a life of it's own.  The iPhone 4 sold 4 million on its opening weekend.   Apple (?) announced that pre-orders for the iPhone 5 was twice that of the iPhone 4.  So analysts including the one in the article hyped the expectation to be  6-10 million.  With all the pent up demand, naturally, the iPhone 5 sold 1 million more than the 4S, but much less than what was expected.  Hence it was disappointing. 

 

After the Galaxy S3's success, the hype for the Galaxy S4 was very high with expectations of flexible displays etc.  The S4 is a solid evolutionary upgrade to the S3, but falls well short of the hype.  For me, it was Meh.  But considering that it's just evolutionary, it's sold well, over the entire month (irrespective of whether it was to channels or not).  The real test is how well is it going to continue to sell.  Apple starts out with a bang on a new phone and then peters out over the rest of the year.  Samsung sells a new phone every 6 months.  So new purchasers almost always have something new to buy.  I think they will do well with the S4 simply because it's still a very good phone and because they have good supply chain (a strong hold of Apple).  But if HTC were to actually deliver a trouble free HTC One in sufficient quantities, it actually has a pretty good phone on its hand and pick off potential Samsung or Apple customers.  But HTC has to deliver and it hasn't shown any signs of doing that.

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Which specific Galaxy S3 model is that?  And are you saying that this model had LTE at some point and now has no LTE (the same model)?

We have two models available in Australia, the Galaxy SIIII and the Galaxy SIII 4G, the SIII is slightly cheaper than the SIII 4G, but it's a moot point as the stock that was shipped gathers dust in our store as people prefer the S4.

btw Australia is not part of the USA so the "International" applies, whatever the f*ck that means.

Confusing, I know but that's fragmentation.
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Not the worst analogy.  Suppose ARod had a history of hitting home runs regularly.  Suppose Jeter was known for reliably hitting singles.  Based on expectations the Yankees decide to pay ARod 30mil a year and Jeter 15mil.

 

Now the season gets underway and reality plays out a little different than expectations- ARod is reliably hitting triples, with the occasional home run.  Jeter surprises everyone by hitting doubles reliably with the occasional triple thrown in.  Despite still outhitting Jeter, ARod gets some bad press.  Jeter gets some glowing press reviews.

 

Next season comes around and they negotiate contracts.  ARod is offered 25mil and Jeter is offered 18mil.....

 

An ARod fan might cry fowl.  ARod is playing *better* than Jeter but they are disappointed in him and giving him a pay cut, and yet reporters are gushing over Jeters performance and the Yankees are giving him a raise!!  How dumb is that?!

 

At its peak Apples $650 bil plus market cap was based on it completely crushing everything (hitting repeated home runs). At that time I believe Samsung Electronics was somewhere above the $100-125 bil valuation.  So Apple was valued around 6 times more than Samsung.

 

Apple did 'worse than expected.'  Samsung did 'better than expected.'  Apple still has the better sales and profits- but no longer so much so that they are worth 6 times as much.   Based on this seasons contract negotiations Apple got a 'pay cut' and is valued at @ $400billion.   Samsung electronics got a 'raise' and is currently valued @ $170 billion.

 

Apple is still valued at somewhere between 2x to 3x Samsung electronics.

 

The iPhone 5s will mark the next inning.  It *has* to be the best selling phone and certainly exceed the S4's sales.  If it does not, there will no longer be a justification for Apple to be valued at 2-3x Samsung.  If it surprises everyone and people flock en masse to it ditching their Android phones and knocking down store walls to get at it- then maybe Apple will go back to being worth 6x Samsung.

 

Spot On!

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Have you ever heard of a thing called Micro SD?

 

Since Android 4.0 (or was it 4.1?), you can't install apps on the SD card.  Which means that unless you are rooted and can use something like DirectoryBind, the SD Card can only be used for storing music and other files.  So for the vast majority of folks, this is a major fail - first on the part of Google for getting rid of Apps2SD and secondly on the part of Samsung to make TouchWiz so heavy and still ship with only 16GB.  This is the mistake HTC made with the One X last year and rectified this year with the One. 

 

They still blew it with the non removable battery for me.  And the S4 is not worth upgrading to if you have the S3.  So there still hasn't been a good Android phone out there for me this year.  Still holding out for the Nexus 5, the Moto X or the Note 3.

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You are mistaken. Apple announces and clearly tells you what is sold to end customers. units that are in transit are counted in that number but not what is sitting on the shelf somewhere. They report channel inventory seperately to indicate how close they are to matching demand. This is also why just about every article stipulates Apple sales but then say shipped for Samsung. The articles are written as if they were the same, but the fact they consistently use these terms and not interchangeably says they know they are incompatible.

In a number of countries Apple does not sell directly to end users, they sell via an reseller, they have no visibility into the location of phones with these resellers
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I have a feeling that by the end of 2013 so many people are going to be eating crow.

Edit: probably by the end of WWDC actually.

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