or Connect
AppleInsider › Forums › Investors › AAPL Investors › Editorial: Apple's billions are building an empire for the future
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Editorial: Apple's billions are building an empire for the future - Page 4

post #121 of 142
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

 

Those options are horrible, you understand.

Yes. I. Do. lol.gif

melior diabolus quem scies
Reply
melior diabolus quem scies
Reply
post #122 of 142
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flaneur View Post


Come off this "opinion" crap. You are being paid to float the "stale" meme here. You are obvious, transparent.

Tell your handlers that you're going to have to try something else.

Thats close to the nuttiest thing on this forum today. If not this week.

I wanted dsadsa bit it was taken.
Reply
I wanted dsadsa bit it was taken.
Reply
post #123 of 142
Originally Posted by realitychecks
Or find a single troll post of mine (full post not a quotemine so context isn't lost) and I'll never come back here.

 

Hilarious. Best part is, though, you don't get to be the one to determine that, because otherwise anything I'd post you'd dismiss. 

 

Nice try, though.

Originally Posted by asdasd

This is Appleinsider. It's all there for you but we can't do it for you.
Reply

Originally Posted by asdasd

This is Appleinsider. It's all there for you but we can't do it for you.
Reply
post #124 of 142
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flaneur View Post

Come off this "opinion" crap. You are being paid to float the "stale" meme here. You are obvious, transparent.

Tell your handlers that you're going to have to try something else.

You need treatment.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Hilarious. Best part is, though, you don't get to be the one to determine that, because otherwise anything I'd post you'd dismiss. 

Nice try, though.

I'm done with this site, I'm leaving. Please erase my profile and posts.
post #125 of 142

Constable Odo

 

Seriously you think that google has gained from moto purchase?

 

You should read the 10 Q filings and pay attention to what the moto division has directly gained goog or lost them.

 

Granted that goog is up, but that relation to it's stock purchase of moto is debatable.  The hammer has not yet fallen about the value of the patents it acquired, but something like 19/21 of the worlds major phone makers (android based) are currently paying microsoft royalties to use android, and many are paying apple.  Once they all are and I believe that that will happen in the next two years, then goog will be paying aapl and msft to use android not to mention what will happen with oracle's suit and how much goog will be paying orcl.  Amazon has found a way to deflect profits from goog to amzn by forking android and locking customers into their ecosystem.  So yes goog has risen, but that rise is partly based on defense of their mobile business, and soon they will be paying more to continue that business not to mention the tax avoidance schemes that they have employed and are coming unraveled (check the british news feeds).

post #126 of 142
undefined
post #127 of 142
Sorry, I just don't see Siri and Maps as great products. Compared to Google's voice recognition, speech synthesis, and their own Maps application, Apple's offerings look five to ten years behind.
 
Siri is slow. It has to connect to Apple's network each time you use it. Google's voice search doesn't, most of the time it runs on the device. Unlike Siri, Google's voice search can actually read you answers to your queries. It doesn't do it every time, but try asking both Siri and Google how far the Earth is from the Sun. Siri displays a data page from Wolfram Alpha containing the correct answer, while Google displays links with the answer, as well as displaying the correct answer AND reading it to you.
 
Google's voice recognition is not only much faster than Siri, it's much more accurate. The speech synthesis sounds almost like a real human voice; Siri sounds like a computer.
 
Now, Google's voice recognition can't yet book you a table for dinner or buy movie tickets like Siri can, but Google Now can anticipate what you might want, while Siri can't. Google Now can learn your likes and dislikes, showing you when your favorite team won, suggesting restaurants you might like, and even estimating how long it will take you to get to work given current traffic conditions.
 
These are all features Google offers today. What about tomorrow?
 
Google I/O demonstrated some pretty amazing voice search technology, bordering on agency. I really think this is the future: people will want their computing devices to learn about them, and then suggest and act accordingly, and Google plans to integrate this into search capabilities in the future.
 
And don't even get me started on Maps. Apple's Maps app will take at least five years to get where the Google Maps app is today.
 
Where is Apple in all this? Google has invested billions over the last decade in data centers and network computing, and these investments are beginning to bear fruit in very fast processing of queries, such that Google can perform voice searches in nearly real time!
 
By the way, I think an Apple smart watch is a great accessory to an iPhone, and could really do a lot. Google Glass, on the other hand, is yesterday's feature set in search of a problem to solve. The battery life is only a few hours, and the camera is low resolution by today's standards. I really think Google Glass will fail, even if they lower the price from $1,500 to a couple hundred dollars.
 
If Apple were to put a fingerprint reader into the iPhone, they could make a huge impact on the future. Imagine sitting down at your Mac, and never having to log into a website again! You swipe your finger over the home button of your iPhone, and you get authenticated into everything: Amazon, Chase, you name it. Apple could make the changes in Safari such that you never need enter a login and password again, you just authenticate with your finger on the iPhone.
 
This could have a huge impact. Apple could single-handedly do away with passwords, and greatly reduce credit card fraud. And don't even get me started about NFC, which could eliminate cash and credit card issues were Apple to implement it.
 
Apple has a bright future, but its primary competitor for the next ten years isn't Samsung. Or Microsoft.
 
It's Google.
post #128 of 142
Originally Posted by ClemyNX View Post
I'm done with this site, I'm leaving. Please erase my profile and posts.

 

One down.


Originally Posted by macsimcon View Post
Sorry, I just don't see Siri and Maps as great products. Compared to Google's voice recognition, speech synthesis, and their own Maps application, Apple's offerings look five to ten years behind.

 

"Look"? 


Google's voice search doesn't, most of the time it runs on the device. 

 

The processing for Google Voice is literally done on every single device, and is stored there as well?


…Google Now can anticipate what you might want, while Siri can't.

 

Wonder why¡


And don't even get me started on Maps. Apple's Maps app will take at least five years to get where the Google Maps app is today.

 

Oh? Want to be held to that?


This could have a huge impact. Apple could single-handedly do away with passwords, and greatly reduce credit card fraud. And don't even get me started about NFC, which could eliminate cash and credit card issues were Apple to implement it.

 

I don't buy how fingerprint readers will do anything actually innovative, but I buy that Apple would be the first to make a digital wallet that could completely and utterly revolutionize every supply chain in the world that uses it.

Originally Posted by asdasd

This is Appleinsider. It's all there for you but we can't do it for you.
Reply

Originally Posted by asdasd

This is Appleinsider. It's all there for you but we can't do it for you.
Reply
post #129 of 142
Nice.
Apple will continue to flourish until 2015. Significant marketshare in all things iPhone, iPad and even (though part of a smaller pie) desk/laptop past then.
But...
Profitable to 2018. Sustainable to 2020. Viable until 2022...
But then what?
Apple will need to develop a serious addition to their eco-system to maintain loyalty base and top-notch employee retainment - say in the 1-2 years. Where to go?
The one thing that we thought was going away (and is (re-)emerging, but poorly): real life. Real objects. Made throughout by 'makers'. Distributed by big companies. Perfected by dynamic small companies. Beautiful 3d objects. Entertainment objects. DYI objects. Gaming pieces. Models. Crafted objects. Gifts. all made to be created by a 3d Apple maker, using iTunes stores drawings, printed and individualized. Back to the Future. Back to the craftmaker. Ideally, objects that can be made and used to interact with Apple's iPads, iPhones, and other devices. Imagine a large iPad (gPad - group Pad 11x17) that is a game board where your 3d printed figures interact with a digital iPad map by being placed upon it. The figures would be RFID (or equiv) with character attributes. Play, plan, make, interact. Down with the individual and their earbuds - back to group gaming, playing, and creating quick 'objects'. Object designs, iPad boards, and all group activity created by apple, developers big and small. Some free, else pay-as-you-play or whatever. It is the way. Heed the way, Apple. It will be your breakthrough product in 2016. Forget wearable - we're talking playable 3d.
post #130 of 142
Originally Posted by designguybrown View Post
Apple will continue to flourish until 2015. Significant marketshare in all things iPhone, iPad and even (though part of a smaller pie) desk/laptop past then.
But...
Profitable to 2018. Sustainable to 2020. Viable until 2022...
But then what?

 

I like that you believe you know anything whatsoever about Apple's future. But I DO agree that Apple, changing absolutely nothing whatsoever in any regard at any time between then and now, could EASILY be viable until 2022. 

 

Not many companies can say that. And, really, the rest of the industry will get bedsores from sitting on their laurels that entire time anyway. Apple's golden.


Apple will need to develop a serious addition to their eco-system to maintain loyalty base and top-notch employee retainment - say in the 1-2 years.

 

Not in the slightest. Is this your first day paying attention to anything Apple has done? Ever?


[convoluted… something]

 

So, what, 3D printing? Why? What about Apple makes you think your gimmicky idea would be something they'd do?

Originally Posted by asdasd

This is Appleinsider. It's all there for you but we can't do it for you.
Reply

Originally Posted by asdasd

This is Appleinsider. It's all there for you but we can't do it for you.
Reply
post #131 of 142
Quote:
Originally Posted by asdasd View Post

Thats close to the nuttiest thing on this forum today. If not this week.

Says one of the most brilliant among us, the guy whose one-word reaction to the iPhone 5 was "Meh."

THAT was the dumbest thing on this forum in the last year.
post #132 of 142
Quote:
Originally Posted by realitychecks View Post

Or there isn't a single troll post from me whereas every reply from you to me has been a troll post.

Allow me to point out that you were an obvious Android implant by your third post, where you tried to say that Apple "fanboys" claim Apple invents a lot of things..

And allow me to quote from slurpy, local BS fighter extraordinaire: "I can tell from your username that you are going to be one tiresome troll."

I can tell by your style that you are ConradJoe's very spawn, come back with a new concern troll disguise. Your attempt to validate the iOS-is-stale, I'm-bored-with-static-icons meme gives you away.

Nothing is more crucial to iOS than the beautiful, restful, serene, classically arranged garden of apps. That's why trolls use the meme. They know it strikes to the heart of the operating aesthetic.

It's like saying on a Yo-Yo Ma fan site that you're bored with the cello.

So you've been busted. I haven't seen you say a single perceptive thing. Just go away.
Edited by Flaneur - 5/20/13 at 7:54pm
post #133 of 142
Originally Posted by Flaneur View Post
It's like saying on a Yo-Yo Ma fan site that you're bored with the cello.

 

I should keep these all somewhere… Wish a thread could be locked to only allow the OP to post. Quote 'em all!

Originally Posted by asdasd

This is Appleinsider. It's all there for you but we can't do it for you.
Reply

Originally Posted by asdasd

This is Appleinsider. It's all there for you but we can't do it for you.
Reply
post #134 of 142
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flaneur View Post


It's like saying on a Yo-Yo Ma fan site that you're bored with the cello.

.

Well if Yo Yo ma added flashing LEDs or an "explosions" sound button to that cello...
post #135 of 142
Quote:
Originally Posted by realitychecks View Post

Pleasseeeee post that entire quote so I can show that you're just a hyper emotional fool.

I'll post it for you
that's it...

I stated that...and only that...you'll notice the lack of the word fanboy

you'll notice how i was very particular on who I was referring to.

I was speaking about people I know...or people I've heard speak...my cousin for instance, my friend Stephanie, my little sister...people at house "parties" (which have become a lot more tame now that we are in our thirties)

How that simple comment, that was so carefully unoffensive managed to offend so many fucking people and get me trolled by a moderator is sad on YOUR part.

This is AbsoluteDesignz, who also had a couple other banned personas, so don't mind him.
post #136 of 142
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

 

The processing for Google Voice is literally done on every single device, and is stored there as well?

 

Oh? Want to be held to that?

 

I don't buy how fingerprint readers will do anything actually innovative, but I buy that Apple would be the first to make a digital wallet that could completely and utterly revolutionize every supply chain in the world that uses it.

 

Yes, I'm happy to be held to that. In five years, Apple's Maps will only be as good as Google Maps is right now.

 

Have you actually used Apple Maps and Google Maps? I don't see you refuting any of the arguments I made.

 

Google Maps is accurate. It warns you several hundred feet before you need to turn. In comparison, Apple Maps warns you when you're fifty feet from the turn, which doesn't give you much time to react.

 

When I am using Apple Maps to get from point A to point B, and I ask for a point of interest along the way (a restaurant, for example), Siri routinely tries to re-route me BACKWARD along my route if that's the closest location, which is just stupid. If I'm going from point A to point B, I probably want my point of interest to be ahead of me, and not behind me, so I don't waste time backtracking.

 

Apple Maps has directed me no fewer than six times to intersections or locations for my destination, only to find that the destination is a block or more away. For instance, try finding the Apple Store in Victoria Gardens, California. Apple Maps shows the pin one block away and on the other side of the street from the store's ACTUAL location. Worse yet, the store moved from that location two years ago!

 

I could go on and on, but Apple Maps is just a horrible, embarrassing app. It's just another instance of Apple's hubris, thinking they can just jump in and do something as well as Google can, despite Google having been at it for years. Ironically, Apple did just that to Palm. How times change.

 

As for fingerprint readers, what do you mean you don't "buy" that they'll do anything innovative? In my post, I described an innovative use for fingerprint readers. Do you doubt that they're capable of what I'm suggesting? Or just that Apple is incapable of creating such a feature? Obviously, I think both of those are incorrect.

 

I make my living working on all of Apple's products, but I'm not blinded by some emotional attachment to Apple.

post #137 of 142
Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

This is AbsoluteDesignz, who also had a couple other banned personas, so don't mind him.

Aha! Thank you. I feel less paranoid already. Like taking two weeks worth of Prozac.

Seriously, though, are you still with us, asdasd?
post #138 of 142
Quote:
Originally Posted by jungmark View Post

Well if Yo Yo ma added flashing LEDs or an "explosions" sound button to that cello...

Widgits! For the cello! We could make a killing . . .

I'm in it with you, right?
post #139 of 142
ALL:

It seems that some writers to this Blog have a personal animosity toward Apple and starry-eyed admiration for Google, I am not quite so sure why as these are both corporations unworthy of more than our investment dollars and giving us a good product. Google does Web advertising well, no one can argue with that success, yet the search engine is a bit primitive and its Android OS is about as exciting as Microsoft Windows, which through pervasive and 'market dominant' is not exactly a awe-inspiring OS and it also is not a company that is going to disappear even though Bill Gates has left the company. Every corporation goes through a life-cycle from founder-to-thrid party corporate management. Apple is going through this change, Google one day will as well. I note that companies such as Walt Disney, Ford and McDonalds and many others - all survived and were many times greater once their founders [ retired or passed-on. The key in any Fortune 500 corporation is getting the proper management which HPQ and some other companies are struggling to do- it is an art more than a science and looking at a resume.
post #140 of 142
Originally Posted by macsimcon View Post
In five years, Apple's Maps will only be as good as Google Maps is right now.

 

Dang, should have just bet outright. I could have made hundreds of millions.


Have you actually used Apple Maps and Google Maps? I don't see you refuting any of the arguments I made.

 

Because your arguments are total effing crap, borne of you not actually using the services you're discussing.


I could go on and on, but Apple Maps is just a horrible, embarrassing app. It's just another instance of Apple's hubris, thinking they can just jump in and do something as well as Google can, despite Google having been at it for years.

 

Take whatever you're smoking down to Colombia and become their newest drug lord.


As for fingerprint readers, what do you mean you don't "buy" that they'll do anything innovative?

 

Are you unfamiliar with that idiom or just incredulous that someone could find the tech to be less than the best new thing possible?


 In my post, I described an innovative use for fingerprint readers.

 

Not really, since you can already do that. And just any feature isn't acceptable on its own; it has to be executed properly or it won't be done at all.


Do you doubt that they're capable of what I'm suggesting? Or just that Apple is incapable of creating such a feature? Obviously, I think both of those are incorrect.

 

Great strawmen! Have a cyanide-laced cookie. 

Originally Posted by asdasd

This is Appleinsider. It's all there for you but we can't do it for you.
Reply

Originally Posted by asdasd

This is Appleinsider. It's all there for you but we can't do it for you.
Reply
post #141 of 142
On the whole a good and well researched article. Nice to see some logical analysis now and then. I think, what many of the contributors, who have never worked within financial markets, don't realise is that the share price is not a proxy for the value of the company, but a proxy for supply and demand at any given time i.e. if hedge funds and institutional investors have lots of cash and don't like bonds (low returns), then they will buy share today, and the price will be high. If they sell shares tomorrow, and the price is low, does that mean that the "worth" of the company i.e. it's products and sales have changed? If you substitute fashion/trends etc for "cash" you will see that there is no intrinsic logic or "rightness" in a share price or valuation. For example, any rational analysis of the Amazon share price/valuation would suggest that it is barmy. The same could be said for ARM and many other "tech" stocks. But we do know that bubbles happen and they burst and consumers (largely) get burned. All we can say about the Apple share price is that, on any "rational" analysis it is under priced and that we should view it's major competitors, such as Samsung (currently fashionable with tech writers), with suspicion, in view of the opacity of its reporting and history of issuing mis-leading sales figures and paid-for blogs bashing rivals.
post #142 of 142

The ultimate would be to have so much cash that just the interest alone can keep Apple up and running, then no matter how dark things got or how bad a recession they would be fine. But Apple seem intent on spending this money buying back shares. But that wouldn't be too bad either, being a public company comes with a lot of bureaucracy and reporting requirements: going private again might alleviate that burden and let them focus on tech.

New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: AAPL Investors
AppleInsider › Forums › Investors › AAPL Investors › Editorial: Apple's billions are building an empire for the future