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post #121 of 132
Originally Posted by Crowley View Post
…exploitation…

 

There's that word again.

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There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already fucked.

 

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There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already fucked.

 

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post #122 of 132
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Apple have been proven to have done illegal things in the recent past.

 

They have?

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

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post #123 of 132
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There's that word again.

 

Dont don't that please, we're having a nice conversation.

 

 

Tax havens are exploitative.  They funnel tax revenue away from the country of the economic activity under secrecy provisions, and enable their exploiters to shield their capital from the normal economy.  They are inextricably linked to the politically corrupt, who sell their state to the financial services industry.

 

If Apple are utilising tax havens, then that is exploitative.  It isn't illegal, and your opinion may say that it isn't immoral, but it is definitely exploitative.

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post #124 of 132
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They have?

Sure, Apple have been fined for breaching regulations before.  Never in a particularly big way, but it's happened.

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post #125 of 132
Originally Posted by Crowley View Post
PS. This is a very broad statement. 

 

PS: There you go again, trying to bring in stuff that just plain doesn't matter and has nothing at all to do with the conversation.

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post #126 of 132
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

 

PS: There you go again, trying to bring in stuff that just plain doesn't matter and has nothing at all to do with the conversation.

When the conversation is about legality then little things matter, and it's lack of material direct relevance is why it was a PS.  If you don't like, feel free to ignore it, I don't make you reply to anything.

 

You're being unpleasant again, I wish you'd just discuss like a normal person.

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post #127 of 132
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Sure, Apple have been fined for breaching regulations before.  Never in a particularly big way, but it's happened.

 

Please be specific. Link?

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post #128 of 132
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Please be specific. Link?

http://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=apple+fined

 

Specifically?  The French working hours one, will that do?

http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/03/13/french-apple-stores-prohibited-from-making-employees-work-after-hours-fined-10k-euros

 

 

But as TS said, this isn't relevant to the discussion.  Let's move on.

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post #129 of 132
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http://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=apple+fined

 

Specifically?  The French working hours one, will that do?

http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/03/13/french-apple-stores-prohibited-from-making-employees-work-after-hours-fined-10k-euros

 

 

But as TS said, this isn't relevant to the discussion.  Let's move on.

 

Wow. This seems like a fairly lame stretch. I can see now why you'd want to change the subject back and "move on."

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post #130 of 132

Why is it a stretch?

 

Statement:  Apple haven't done anything illegal in any country.

 

Counter: Apple have been fined for many things over the years, it'd be a truer and more relevant statement to say that Apple haven't been proven guilty of any financial illegality within the current investigation.

 

That's true enough, the original statement was so broad it was incorrect.  I wasn't making any grand point about Apple being analogous to COBRA 1smoking.gif

 

Anyway, yes, moving on...

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post #131 of 132

It's pretty lame. I suspect you know that. Your implication was one of a company regularly and deliberately engaged in illegal activity not one that has been the mugging victim of a labor union via the French government.

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post #132 of 132

I don't think anything in my language implied regular or deliberate action, and if you took that implication I'm sorry, I can see that on that basis it may have caused confusion.  It wasn't my intention to imply either, it was just a pedantic PS observation.

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