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Microsoft will be listening in on our family room conversations? Cool!

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I'm losing track here. Just how many times has Microsoft released a product intended to "become the center of a consumer's living room entertainment experience" now exactly?
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Ah yes.  The infamous Red Ring of Death.  The main reason why Xbox lost $$$ billions for years.

The division is finally above a break-even run rate, but they're still deep in the hole.

 

They're not deep in the hole. They had made their money back on the R&D and RRoD debacle by the end of 2009. 

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HD-DVD, nice.  lol.gif

 

How does pointing out that including Blu-ray with the Xbox One will generate royalty payments to a whole consortium of companies other than Sony equate to "some sort of pro-Apple victory"?  Help me out because I'm obviously not as good at trolling as you purport to be.

So then why mention Apple at all if you weren't trying to make it out as a win for them?  And how was I trolling?  Pointing out that Microsoft licensing H.264 and AACS as being nothing new is "trolling"?  Interesting world you live in.

 

They already have been paying royalty payments to a whole consortium of other companies with the Xbox 360 and their failed HD-DVD attempt.  In the case of the latter to Toshiba and many others.  They also pay a whole consortium to allow DVD movie playback in the 360 by way of licensing MPEG-2 and CSS.  Basically, it's business as usual for anyone who is making a legit media player.

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Xbox 720 would sound like a step backwards since it's the poor-man's HD. I quite like the chosen name, the look of the device, and it's stated functionality. What it will be able to offer may be a different issue altogether.


Given the design is a homage to Next (albeit squished). So ... perhaps the name is a prequel. 1biggrin.gif
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post #46 of 149
Apple TV could have done a lot of this a long time ago. Wonder why they have dragged their feet on it. Shame.
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May as well call it Xbox One Nine Eight Four. It "will not operate" without a Kinect plugged in. Couple that with the physical size of both devices (and the "pay twice" model they're using for used games) and it'll be dead by 2015.


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Apple TV could have done a lot of this a long time ago. Wonder why they have dragged their feet on it. Shame.

 

Stuff your trolling in a sack.

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Seven years and this is what you post? 

LOL....only you would catch that

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This works via hdmi IN. you plug your cable box or satellite box into the hdmi in port.  Then you would tell the box what your provider is and it will download all the channel guide data.

 

You would have an ir transmitter thing connected to the cable or sat box to turn its channels.

 

It will work the same way google tv works.

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Oh whoop. Another shiny black box! 0 for design guys.

Just another excuse to raise the cost of games methinks.

It is as good of a design as it can be, very minimalistic and doesn't draw attention to itself, it will blend in with the rest of my black gear (AVR, DirecTV, Amps, Control Processor, Etc.)  A square peg for a square hole.

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I don't follow. If the device has an HDMI passthrough then it can be always connected and ready to overlay on your cable/sat feed or take over completely with a touch of a button. This is what I've been saying Apple should have done with the Apple TV from day one to specifically avoid being an ignored device that requires an input change on the monitor before it can be utilized.


I agree.  Elgato has been doing that very thing for years now, and I also don't understand why AppleTV hasn't incorporated this.

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But can it play Crysis?  It doesn't look like it can?

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A large part of the package is the integrated TV functionality, which in turn relies on an integrated program guide.  I wonder how or if  they plan to offer that outside the US.  Is that what the 300 K servers worldwide are for?  Outside the US, a lot of TV comes via satellite, how is this device going to integrate and work that - if at all - given I suspect it's TV integration is reliant on cable fed TV as seems common in the US.

I don't suppose your TV content will actually be coming via Xbox live from those servers in a sort of on-demand basis?

 

Nope live TV. FiOS is on the Xbox though it's not the full channel lineup.
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But can it play Crysis?  It doesn't look like it can?

Not the current one.
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It sounds impressive%u2026 but then, so did Metro%u2026 *cough*

Actually, Xbox is one of the few areas Microsoft seems to be getting right. I wonder, if/when Apple more aggressively enters the "living room" space, what they'll offer as an alternative?

 

50%+ failure rate on the 360, billions in losses, now 3rd place in global sales....yeah, they sure are getting it "right"

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So what? Who spends all day looking at their game console? It's probably tucked out of the way some where.

In some ways, this is what Apple TV should have been. Apple was positioned to do the "one box to control them all" game a long time ago, but fell short. With only minor modifications, Apple TV could have been the center of your entertainment system and done all the things that XBox 1 does (gaming, music, movies, TV, Internet, etc).

It's not a bad product in concept. It will be interesting to see how well they've actually met their goals.

 

I don't see any point in comparing the Xbox 1 to Apple TV, in that the Xbox is likely to cost 3-4 times as much, is about 50 times the volume, has vastly more memory and processing power on board, and looks to get its multi-device control capacities via IR blasters.  Not to mention a UI scheme that includes a gaming controller, Kinect box and voice recognition.

 

Apple was never going to make that device.  That's not to say they can't add functionality to something like the existing Apple TV, primarily HDMI pass-through for cablebox overlay and instant switching, plus apps and a browser.  But the real trick is how to offer that while keeping the UI and attendant devices dead simple.  "Gamers" may welcome multi-device control and multiple ways to do the same thing, but the average TV viewer will not. 

 

Presumably Apple has something in mind, Jobs' oft mentioned declaration that he'd "cracked the code."  But I think we can be pretty sure that it won't look or work much like an Xbox.

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50%+ failure rate on the 360, billions in losses, now 3rd place in global sales....yeah, they sure are getting it "right"

Do you have a current link for those statistics, or are you going by info that's several years old?
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I don't follow. If the device has an HDMI passthrough then it can be always connected and ready to overlay on your cable/sat feed or take over completely with a touch of a button. This is what I've been saying Apple should have done with the Apple TV from day one to specifically avoid being an ignored device that requires an input change on the monitor before it can be utilized.
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I agree.  Elgato has been doing that very thing for years now, and I also don't understand why AppleTV hasn't incorporated this.

Or in our case once we toggled the HDMI box to Apple TV we never changed the input back. 1biggrin.gif

Seriously though, I have a RocketFish auto detecting HDMI thingumybob that simply changes to whatever input device I fiddle with. It works flawlessly. This should IMHO be built in the the TV not a device such as an Apple TV.
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post #59 of 149
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Nope live TV. FiOS is on the Xbox though it's not the full channel lineup.

 

How does FiOS work outside the US?

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How exactly is being able to put more transistors into a smaller or similar size die "bad design"?  Your statement about how it doesn't make you think about power efficiency is equally baffling.  The shrinking of the transistors means that you can lower the voltage and decrease power consumption while still gaining in performance.  So it's far more efficient in performance/watt especially since it's pretty much guaranteed that the CPU die will be either equal in size or smaller than the 360 as well.

you're assuming higher transistor density. What if it's actually poor design, using extra chips and wasting power? And it's not the 1960's. We care about RAM capacities and CPU performance, not transistor counts and crystal counts! It stands to reason that one way a marketing dept might decide on such an odd focus is because the other specs are embarrassing.

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How does FiOS work outside the US?

It doesn't, it is also not available everywhere in the U.S. I don't know what their plans are for live TV in other places.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post
Do you have a current link for those statistics, or are you going by info that's several years old?

 

"Several years old" would be 75% fail rate. Channel stuffing the new, tiny model has lowered the average.

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Seven years and this is what you post? 

LOL. Seven years is about the span between console generations. Meanwhile, Macs and iPads get annual spec bumps...

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Exactly. Made me think back to the whole OS2 issue Microsoft had with IBM wanting to pay for KLOCs (thousand lines of code) and Microsoft saying fewer lines is better. Here they are now touting a number that meaningless as the extra transistors may just mean bad design. It certainly doesn't make me think about power efficiency.
How exactly is being able to put more transistors into a smaller or similar size die "bad design"?  Your statement about how it doesn't make you think about power efficiency is equally baffling.  The shrinking of the transistors means that you can lower the voltage and decrease power consumption while still gaining in performance.  So it's far more efficient in performance/watt especially since it's pretty much guaranteed that the CPU die will be either equal in size or smaller than the 360 as well.

Sorry, saying 5 billion transistors doesn't mean they shrunk anything. All other things being equal, having a higher transistor count negatively affects power consumption. I didn't read how many chips makeup the 5 billion total either, but the impression from the wording was that it was the entire system (however many that is). The stat by itself is meaningless.
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Reminds me of the movie "That Thing You Do" when the musical group first called themselves "The Oneders"...

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When Apple realized they were more than a computer company, they changed their name to just Apple. Now, with the failure of Windows 8, and with their focus on new hardware (Mobile Phones, Surface, XBox), as well as considering their shrinking popularity and fortunes, perhaps they should change their name to just: Micro.

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Huh?!  

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

"Several years old" would be 75% fail rate. Channel stuffing the new, tiny model has lowered the average.

To quote you, "citation needed"

Actually I'll save you the work. It's under 10% now.

http://www.nofussreviews.com/survey-results-2012
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I don't follow. If the device has an HDMI passthrough then it can be always connected and ready to overlay on your cable/sat feed or take over completely with a touch of a button. This is what I've been saying Apple should have done with the Apple TV from day one to specifically avoid being an ignored device that requires an input change on the monitor before it can be utilized.

 

My point was simply that the Xbox One would need to partner with the cable/satellite companies if they want to make the streaming video more viable.  I was thinking along the lines of how the providers situate their iPad apps with the streaming feeds coming through the internet, rather than the cable or satellite feeds.  I don't get the impression that the Xbox One will try to integrate any program guide functions with cable/satellite service. 

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this all begs the question: who wants to do all that fancy shit on their big screen TV?

the future is about simple and easy.
These guys keep missing the boat.. A bunch of dumb little gimmicky features, isn't fooling the majority of
Buyers anymore. They burnt that bridge like 500 times. People want simple, quality products. It's hard to imagine that the original wii has had this much of an influence on Sony and Microsoft. The wii had a great idea, it wasn't going to revolutionize anything, it was a niche. It's amazing how Microsoft and Sony failed to realize that.. Ditch the wave your hands at the television to change the channel BS and put all that energy into amazing graphics, and a new modern game franchise
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So then why mention Apple at all if you weren't trying to make it out as a win for them? 

 

Uh, this is an Apple board, right?  And Blu-ray licensors include more than just Sony, right?  Take a deep breath, the world is not as bad as you think.

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It doesn't, it is also not available everywhere in the U.S. I don't know what their plans are for live TV in other places.


If FiOS is not in your area, it ain't coming anytime soon.  Verizon announced a while ago that they would concentrate on building out the networks in the regions that they already serve, and not bother with expanding into areas that they don't serve. 

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....I'm sorry, but is there a massive amount of people desperate to play games and watch live TV simultaneously with a split screen, or watch TV and skype? .....

That....along with the ability to watch a movie and text at the same time on a Galaxy IV will cause ADHD to become the most prominently diagnosed syndrome.

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From XBox 360 to XBox 1.. sounds like a step backwards in the marketing department.

I am amused however that Microsoft will be paying Sony royalites by using Blu-Ray.
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has anyone on the web noticed that, with its typical marketing flim flam, MS has named it XBox One when it's really XBox 3?
welllllllllllll.... Is there comment
Mine is that the first to Xbox were betas
(0.1,0.36) well I guess they treat customers like that!

I can enjoy a simular experience with a MacBook and airplay it sounds.
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If FiOS is not in your area, it ain't coming anytime soon.  Verizon announced a while ago that they would concentrate on building out the networks in the regions that they already serve, and not bother with expanding into areas that they don't serve. 

They're not building out even in areas they do serve.
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So what? Who spends all day looking at their game console? It's probably tucked out of the way some where.

In some ways, this is what Apple TV should have been. Apple was positioned to do the "one box to control them all" game a long time ago, but fell short. With only minor modifications, Apple TV could have been the center of your entertainment system and done all the things that XBox 1 does (gaming, music, movies, TV, Internet, etc).

It's not a bad product in concept. It will be interesting to see how well they've actually met their goals.

If the actual product and games meet the expectations they set in the presentation I watched today, it'll basically change the console business (IE kill everyone else) in one swoop.  Video conferencing -Ala Skype, motion control, Cable box integration, Voice Control, Blue Ray etc..  It quite simply will leave everyone in the dust.  The graphics they demoed the new version of Call of Duty were simply amazing.  The thing isn't a gaming console, it's a PC that acts like a gaming console when you want to game.  Their goal has been to to take over the living room, they may have just done that.

 

That said I stress IF they meet the expectations they set in the demo.

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Just watched the entire presentation. I'm sorry, but is there a massive amount of people desperate to play games and watch live TV simultaneously with a split screen, or watch TV and skype? It just seems a very small percentage of people would be even mildly interested in this. The voice control looks cool. Games wise, all we saw are graphical updates to existing franchises. The console also looks like an ugly HTPC that one can build from newegg, also looks massive. It also doesn't seem to me like the market for people who will buy an xbox are the ones that will be watching live tv. 

I agree, but suspect that adding the split screen was an afterthought. It's not really the big selling feature.

It's really all about unification of all the sources that feed your TV into a single box. The rest is just fluff.
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If it can handle it, maybe XBox 4k. But that might lead to people thinking it's not for them if they don't have 4kTV.

Or maybe XBox Unity.

XBox Unity would have been OK, but I don't think names carry the weight that they used to. XBox 1 is just strange, though. Is this the 3rd version or 4th?
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I agree, but suspect that adding the split screen was an afterthought. It's not really the big selling feature.

It's really all about unification of all the sources that feed your TV into a single box. The rest is just fluff.
XBox Unity would have been OK, but I don't think names carry the weight that they used to. XBox 1 is just strange, though. Is this the 3rd version or 4th?

It'll be the 3rd. Maybe it stands for all in 1? 1 device for all your needs. Not being backwards compatible might be a problem though.
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