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Originally Posted by majjo View Post

The majority of the bad press that apple maps suffered from was because of lost of data/accuracy and features (transit) due to switching away from Google. There were a few articles regarding flyover problems, but that was not the focus of the backwash. So considering the new Google maps doesn't suffer from these problems, double standard not found.

Also, backwash from apple maps didn't really pick up until it was released to the public, which hasn't happened with the new Google maps yet.

Is backwash worse than backlash? Besides Google Maps is just a little more accurate than Apple Maps. GM will return results whether they are right it not. AM will return correct results or no results at all.
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Originally Posted by wakefinance View Post

You don't remember that time when Apple forcibly removed Google maps from all iPhones and replaced it with their beta maps? It was about a year ago now.

Forcibly? I didn't upgrade immediately and I could still use Google Maps. In addition you could still get Waze and other mapping solutions.
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Originally Posted by Joe Smithereens View Post

You guys realize Google's who thing since the beginning has been invite-based beta testing.  It's ok for a product to have a few flaws when it is in beta.  It would be a much bigger deal (and I would be chastising them) if they made the OLD MAP THAT WORKED go away and REPLACED it with a broken piece of crap, like Apple did when they removed Google Maps from iOS.  This new Google map isn't even available to the general public yet.  Google has done plenty of things improperly, this is not one of them.  

 

The reality (as it always has been) is that google maps; good 'ol regular we-use-it-everyday google maps, has tons of errors that trip up people every single day. The difference is, that in google's case, nobody gives a f**k.  Free pass.

Apple had a small handful of errors, and a few smeary graphics. "broken piece of crap".

Google maps is wrong somewhere for somebody every single day. But keep puckering those lips.

post #83 of 142
Originally Posted by wakefinance View Post
You don't remember that time when Apple forcibly removed Google maps from all iPhones and replaced it with their beta maps? It was about a year ago now.

 

No, I don't remember an inability to access Google Maps on iPhones. Maybe you don't live on the same planet as me.


Originally Posted by Joe Smithereens View Post
It's ok for a product to have a few flaws when it is in beta.

 

So by your own admission, the many, MANY flaws that Google Maps proper has aren't okay. Because that isn't beta.


It would be a much bigger deal (and I would be chastising them) if they made the OLD MAP THAT WORKED go away and REPLACED it with a broken piece of crap, like Apple did when they removed Google Maps from iOS.

 

Just shut up. This didn't happen. You have always been able to access Google Maps on an iDevice.

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

 

 

Just shut up. This didn't happen. You have always been able to access Google Maps on an iDevice.

I seem to remember when iOS 6 was released, the new Apple Maps app REPLACED Google Maps, and you could only access it via a web browser on the iphone.

 

Oh wait, yeah, here it is http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/11/3076745/apple-maps-google-maps-replacement   And the rippled roads in Apple Maps were highlighted as funny - but the REAL criticism for Apple Maps was incorrect directions and incorrect public transit info.  They have since fixed it and it's much better.  

post #85 of 142
Originally Posted by Joe Smithereens View Post
I seem to remember when iOS 6 was released, the new Apple Maps app REPLACED Google Maps, and you could only access it via a web browser on the iphone.

 

This sentence not only contradicts what you said earlier, but itself.

post #86 of 142
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Originally Posted by Joe Smithereens View Post

You guys realize Google's who thing since the beginning has been invite-based beta testing.  It's ok for a product to have a few flaws when it is in beta.  It would be a much bigger deal (and I would be chastising them) if they made the OLD MAP THAT WORKED go away and REPLACED it with a broken piece of crap, like Apple did when they removed Google Maps from iOS.  This new Google map isn't even available to the general public yet.  Google has done plenty of things improperly, this is not one of them.  

 

Well obviously it is easier for Google to transition from one web based product to a newer one than for Apple to transition its own Maps app backend from an outsourced product served by Google to its own internal mapping system. Apple didn't have the luxury of doing a slow invite-only rollout. That is, however, how Apple rolls out its iOS updates (developers first, then the general public).

 

The fact remains that a year after iOS Maps introduced Flyover, Google's own attempts to copy this feature are poor, despite having been in the Google Earth game for many years prior to Apple's own product.

 

So spin things all you like. The bottom line is that all the reports of how terrible Apple was for releasing a cool new 3D satellite mapping visualization feature were wrong. It's much harder than it looks. 

post #87 of 142
Comparing the images, it looks like Apple's flyover is much better at creating a sense of depth, which makes it easier to discern one building from another.

Whereas in Google's 3D maps, the buildings all look jumbled together.
post #88 of 142
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Apple didn't do that. And seven months isn't a year.

Just like there are still problems in Google's mapping proper. Problems that everyone ignores.
I doubt you'll ever agree with a view of Apple that isn't full of praise.

I suppose you forget the keynote previews etc of iOS that had Scott Forstall telling everyone how amazing & fabulous Apples solution was.
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post #89 of 142
Originally Posted by saarek View Post
I doubt you'll ever agree with a view of Apple that isn't full of praise.

 

I doubt you'll ever have a post that involves more than just part of the truth. We all have our doubts.


I suppose you forget the keynote previews etc of iOS that had Scott Forstall telling everyone how amazing & fabulous Apples solution was.

 

So he was to say that it was horrible? Come off it.

 

Touting the solution ≠≠ "hype to stratospheric heights".

post #90 of 142

"So far, there hasn't been any embittered contempt voiced by the tech media for Google's attempts to chase Apple's Flyover coattails with a seriously flawed offering that doesn't even work on mobile devices; the sloppy release of Google's own 3D product also calls into question the company's hubris in fueling smear campaigns against Apple's own mapping product last fall." Shocked, simply shocked.

 

OTOH? Sonmething else I have to have a Google account to access?

 

No thanks.

post #91 of 142

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...it's broken.

post #92 of 142
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Is backwash worse than backlash? Besides Google Maps is just a little more accurate than Apple Maps. GM will return results whether they are right it not. AM will return correct results or no results at all.
Forcibly? I didn't upgrade immediately and I could still use Google Maps. In addition you could still get Waze and other mapping solutions.

Heck I could have even still used "Google Maps": simply and conveniently by dropping a Safari Shortcut icon onto my Home Screen.

post #93 of 142
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Originally Posted by Negafox View Post

Personally, I find 3D maps to be an unnecessary feature for what all I am trying to do is to get from point A to point B.

I feel the same way about Street View, but some people can't live without that. 

post #94 of 142
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Originally Posted by DarkVader View Post

Let's see, 3d flyover or street view, which is more useful?

 

I'm sorry, Apple just isn't there with useful mapping.

3D flyover.

 

Don't need no stinkin' Google looking over my shoulder as I use their maps.

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post #95 of 142
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I doubt you'll ever agree with a view of Apple that isn't full of praise.

I suppose you forget the keynote previews etc of iOS that had Scott Forstall telling everyone how amazing & fabulous Apples solution was.

 

 

It is amazing and fabulous. It just needed work, especially outside North America. Where Apple screwed up was not taking a page from Google, or  itself when it released Siri, and call the product a beta. You can't criticise a product that the developer tells you right out of the gate it needs work. Apple presented the product as finished. That was its mistake. 

post #96 of 142
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Originally Posted by NexusPhan View Post

 

That's all 3D buildings are in the first place, both on Apple and Google.

 

The AI article implies that you can't currently view 3D buildings on Android, and that is simply not true. That's all I was trying to point out.

 

Why not point out the specific part of the article where it isn't clear that Google Earth isn't integrated with Google Maps.

 

So why won't Google Earth give turn by turn from point A to point B?

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post #97 of 142
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Originally Posted by Joe Smithereens View Post

You guys realize Google's who thing since the beginning has been invite-based beta testing.  It's ok for a product to have a few flaws when it is in beta.  It would be a much bigger deal (and I would be chastising them) if they made the OLD MAP THAT WORKED go away and REPLACED it with a broken piece of crap, like Apple did when they removed Google Maps from iOS.  This new Google map isn't even available to the general public yet.  Google has done plenty of things improperly, this is not one of them.  

I agree with the whole Google beta thing. Google is a whimp, but a smart whimp. It called Gmail a beta for five years. Hard to criticize a free product labeled a beta. I have had my gmail account hacked twice. Gmail is now relgated to my junk mail account.  Apple's only mistake was not calling the product a beta. 

 

As far as the rest of your post is concerned dream on. Maps has never been a piece of crap, at least in the US. The maps are prettier, load faster, use less data, is integrated with Siri, and provided turn by turn directions that Google wasn't offering Apple on terms it was OK with. Apple did everybody a favor by dumping Google's product. iOS users obtained a new mapping solution, that for many people, myself included is great. It highlighted some other mapping solutions, like Waze. In turn, Google was forced to release a mapping solution that wasn't handicapped and offered turn by turn. 

 

Moreover, people could always use Google maps through Safari on any iOS device provided you had an internet connection. 

post #98 of 142
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Originally Posted by blaggablug View Post

Must have missed the bit where Google pushed the Google Maps /preview/ live and removed all alternative working solutions.

Street view is the normal workflow for people to search for somewhere then explore the immediate vicinity, not launch another app.

 

I employ a method called "going there and looking around" it's only a couple of million years old, same as why I don't need weather widgets where I use a method called "looking out the window".

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post #99 of 142
So... Confused.. Their Beta version of Maps, still looks like it's in Beta? Weird.
post #100 of 142
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

No, I don't remember an inability to access Google Maps on iPhones. Maybe you don't live on the same planet as me.

So by your own admission, the many, MANY flaws that Google Maps proper has aren't okay. Because that isn't beta.

Just shut up. This didn't happen. You have always been able to access Google Maps on an iDevice.

Way to not respond to what I wrote. I never said you couldn't access Google maps. You could always access them by going to the website. I said they forcibly removed the default app to replace it with their own attempt at mapping.
post #101 of 142
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Originally Posted by jungmark View Post

Is backwash worse than backlash? Besides Google Maps is just a little more accurate than Apple Maps. GM will return results whether they are right it not. AM will return correct results or no results at all.
Forcibly? I didn't upgrade immediately and I could still use Google Maps. In addition you could still get Waze and other mapping solutions.

So in order to not have Google maps replaced by Apple maps as the default system mapping app, you avoided upgrading your entire operating system? How does that not constitute a forced change on Apple's part? And as for your claim about still being able to access Google maps, you're referring to a webpage.
post #102 of 142
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Originally Posted by wakefinance View Post

So in order to not have Google maps replaced by Apple maps as the default system mapping app, you avoided upgrading your entire operating system? How does that not constitute a forced change on Apple's part? And as for your claim about still being able to access Google maps, you're referring to a webpage.

Easy, unlike android, Apple gives you a choice to upgrade or not. I chose not to upgrade fir a couple months in case their were bugs. And Google has a Maps app too.
post #103 of 142
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Originally Posted by jungmark View Post

Easy, unlike android, Apple gives you a choice to upgrade or not. I chose not to upgrade fir a couple months in case their were bugs. And Google has a Maps app too.

NOW Google has a maps app, not when Apple removed it during the iOS 6 upgrade.
post #104 of 142
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Originally Posted by wakefinance View Post

NOW Google has a maps app, not when Apple removed it during the iOS 6 upgrade.

Yup and if you wanted to wait, you don't upgrade until Google maps was released. Apple didn't force you to upgrade nor did they block Google Maps.
post #105 of 142
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Originally Posted by morzee94 View Post

I do wish google and apple would both stop trying to get their maps in 3D..... The technology just doesn't work reliably enough yet. I want a maps service that shows me where to go correctly 100% of the time via walking, driving and public transport. At the moment only google are doing that, I just hope they don't ruin that with gimmicky 3D crap, keep it in earth, not in maps.

That is why Google tried to route me UNDER the Golden Gate Bridge on a mythical road floating on the water. I have found Google Maps to have slightly fewer errors than Apple Maps.
post #106 of 142
Let's be honest here. The critical flaw with Apple Maps when it launched was search, POIs and geocoding - Scott Forstall simply overpromised on the product. So any criticism was justified. Hence the firings. And apology. It's much better now. But 'Apple Maps' is still a tarnished name. I'm sure there are much needed improvements coming with iOS 7.
post #107 of 142
Fanboy article, even the title is ridiculously smug.

Not to mention the "loook, looook, it's horribly inaccurate!" "What?" " The treeeeeees, they look ugly".

Yeah, right.

Going to say it again: no clue about you Americans, but here, Apple Maps is useless, Google Maps works pretty well (not perfectly, but what is?).

DED again makes himself look silly.

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Oddly, this was created on an iPad 4 Retina at 2048 x 1536 -- and had to be scaled down to run on the Mac...

Same issue here. Irritating.

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post #109 of 142
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I certainly find StreetView more useful than Flyover but you're just trying to change the subject from the fact that the anti-Apple and pro-Google crowd lambasted Apple over 1) including FlyOver which they said had zero utility, and 2) laughed at FlyOver for not perfectly rendering every image and using it as proof Apple shouldn't be doing any mapping against Google's years of experience.

I think people ( particularly developers who got Google Maps jerked out of their hands and replaced with something pretty unusable ) were more annoyed by the fact Apple suddenly removed GMaps, than by the fact they provided Apple Maps.

Change Management, Expectations Management. Apple's good at the second, but horrible at the first, apparently.

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post #110 of 142
I find it interesting that the NYT or WSJ have not picked this up after the bashing of Apple Maps
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Originally Posted by lightknight View Post
Going to say it again: no clue about you Americans, but here, Apple Maps is useless, Google Maps works pretty well (not perfectly, but what is?).

 

I thought you'd be smart enough to know you can't parrot the same lies for seven months.

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The reality (as it always has been) is that google maps; good 'ol regular we-use-it-everyday google maps, has tons of errors that trip up people every single day. The difference is, that in google's case, nobody gives a f**k.  Free pass.

Apple had a small handful of errors, and a few smeary graphics. "broken piece of crap".

Google maps is wrong somewhere for somebody every single day. But keep puckering those lips.

 

Google/Apple/Microsoft....all the same. Same stuff/different site. I prefer the aesthetic of Apple's maps, but find the traffic reporting on GM and Waze to be better in my city. So you see, there can be a space for everyone. I like Apple, I like Google. Probably why I try to steer clear of all tech sites. 1mad.gif

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Just to be fair...

Here's a location in Saratoga. CA, 3.2 miles from Apple HQ...

Saratoga was/is home to:
  • Gene Carter former Apple VP Marketing
  • Bill "Coach" Campbell member Apple BOD
  • Saratoga HS the first commercial LAN installation June 1980 (7 Apple ][ Sharing 5 MB HDD and Printer via Corvus Omninet)
  • Lucy & Me (Mr Lucy) owners of the best damn computer stores in Silicon Valley


Apple Maps 2D




Apple Maps 3D Flyover




Google Earth 3D/SIZE]




All images were taken on an iPad 4.

Here (no 3D image data) Google Earth provides a better image -- but it was a real PITA to position/navigate -- taking several tries and about 3 minutes.
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Just to be fair...

Here's a location in Saratoga. CA, 3.2 miles from Apple HQ...

All images were taken on an iPad 4.

Here (no 3D image data) Google Earth provides a better image -- but it was a real PITA to position/navigate -- taking several tries and about 3 minutes.

This is AppleInsider... you, sir, are not allowed to be fair. I mean, unless fair means being an a$$hat to any company not named Apple. Please be prepared for 3 additional comment pages that show how much worse Google maps are for comparison purposes.

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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Just to be fair...


Here's a location in Saratoga. CA, 3.2 miles from Apple HQ...


Saratoga was/is home to:
  • Gene Carter former Apple VP Marketing
  • Bill "Coach" Campbell member Apple BOD
  • Saratoga HS the first commercial LAN installation June 1980 (7 Apple ][ Sharing 5 MB HDD and Printer via Corvus Omninet)
  • Lucy & Me (Mr Lucy) owners of the best damn computer stores in Silicon Valley

...

All images were taken on an iPad 4.


Here (no 3D image data) Google Earth provides a better image -- but it was a real PITA to position/navigate -- taking several tries and about 3 minutes.
This is AppleInsider... you, sir, are not allowed to be fair. I mean, unless fair means being an a$$hat to any company not named Apple. Please be prepared for 3 additional comment pages that show how much worse Google maps are for comparison purposes.

LOL 1wink.giflol.gif

Well... Google does some things better than Apple...

However, I do not like the way Google does what it does, nor do I trust them. I try to avoid them whenever I can.

...But I have to be honest and true to my ethic.
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post #116 of 142
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Gotta love you first post trolls.

The reality (as it always has been) is that google maps; good 'ol regular we-use-it-everyday google maps, has tons of errors that trip up people every single day. The difference is, that in google's case, nobody gives a f**k.  Free pass.

Apple had a small handful of errors, and a few smeary graphics. "broken piece of crap".

Google maps is wrong somewhere for somebody every single day. But keep puckering those lips.

Fanboyz are fanboyz...Google/Apple/Microsoft....you're all the same. Same stuff/different site. I prefer the aesthetic of Apple's maps, but find the traffic reporting on GM and Waze to be better in my city. So you see, there can be a space for everyone. I like Apple, I like Google, I despise irrational fanboyz with a passion. Probably why I try to steer clear of all tech sites. 1mad.gif

I appreciate your position on the topic of fanboidism. Wasn't the issue though.

I use google maps as well. My point was that Apple maps has errors; Google maps has errors. How come everyone says Apple maps is a piece of crap because it has errors, but google maps is great (and we'll just ignore it's errors)?

The real problem, I guess, is that there isn't an appropriate word for the opposite of "fanboy". People use "troll" but that is really something else.

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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Just to be fair...


Here's a location in Saratoga. CA, 3.2 miles from Apple HQ...


...


All images were taken on an iPad 4.


Here (no 3D image data) Google Earth provides a better image -- but it was a real PITA to position/navigate -- taking several tries and about 3 minutes.
This is AppleInsider... you, sir, are not allowed to be fair. I mean, unless fair means being an a$$hat to any company not named Apple. Please be prepared for 3 additional comment pages that show how much worse Google maps are for comparison purposes.
Are you f**kn kidding?  Who are you to talk about fair? You can't even read!
He compared Apple maps to Google EARTH. Not to Google MAPS.

OK!

Here are iPad shots of Google Maps (at 2x) and Apple Maps -- side-by-side:




You questioned my fairness -- now, I challenge yours!
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post #118 of 142
Didn't some of Google's programmers go to Apple to help fix Apple Maps? Maybe that's the reason Google Maps is now having problems, no programmers to fix Google's problems. Oh well..
post #119 of 142
But here's the difference: Google has not released its version of Maps yet with the mistakes, thus giving them time to fix it. Apple released it officially knowing there were problems. Some things are worth waiting for, I guess is the message.
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I thought that you could enable WebGL in Safari through the Develop menu?

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