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Oh thank god! I worried there for a minute the iPad would be soiled by the Office Ribbon.

Ohhhh no Office Ribbon will ever be on my iPad!

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post #42 of 148
Clever, "can't touch this" iPad is pretty much untouchable!
Competitors displays, OS, overall build quality just is not anywhere close.
Windows tiling is entriguing at first glance, but so Sam-sung-ish
post #43 of 148
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Not an MS lover, But the mangled chopsticks was "the point".
You actually did know that, right? (I hope)
Was what point? If they're going to pick on iPad GarageBand is probably not the app they want to showcase.

Geez! I just mean they played it bad on purpose. You know...?  For affect...?

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"Why is it a great ad? The worst past is the person horribly mangling chopsticks or whatever it is at the end. I'm no pianist but even I could play it better than the person in the ad did."

Someone else beat me to it and agree, hope you're just fun'in and playing ignorant, but the lousy playing pianist paints the broader stroke of a lousy experience on the iPad.  Kind of like the Mac vs PC ads where PC spins a Choose a Vista spinning wheel and hopes for something great and gets 'Lose a Turn' and the Mac dude says, "Wait, didn't you make this?"  It's just MS finally getting an ad agency that has put forth a couple of mediocre commercials at Apple's expense, the Samsung/Apple feud during a wedding and now this.  Don't take it too seriously.  MS is still touting Microsoft products it has to peddle at all those cool and 'crowded' MS stores!

But GarageBand on the iPad isn't a lousy experience. If that was really their angle, why not show someone drawing/writing on Windows tablet vs iPad. That's an instance where the experience on iPad is not as good.

It wasn't about Garageband. It was about the iPad commercials that "made cute" with "Heart & Soul". Heart & Soul is, sort of, the counterpart to "Chopsticks".

Are you getting it yet??  No? Ok, I give up.

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Nicely explained.
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post #46 of 148
On a serious note how are the Keynote, Pages & Numbers apps on iPhone5? I've been thinking about getting them (Pages at the very least) for a while now. Are there any other ones similar that y'all'd recommend?

Thanks much for the help!
post #47 of 148
Microsoft sucks
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Is it legal to have a competitors product (Apples iPad in this instance) in your own commercial?
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Is it legal to have a competitors product (Apples iPad in this instance) in your own commercial?

Sure.

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post #50 of 148
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Is it legal to have a competitors product (Apples iPad in this instance) in your own commercial?

Not in every country.

post #51 of 148
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Good for you two - sticking to your guns and be damned with objectivity. Why ever admit that another company can pull off something cool once in a while?


Not everybody agrees with you. I think Apple appeared better to the average consumer in this ad. And I am a Windows guy, never owned a Mac.

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Kind of pathetic? You mean like "I am a Mac/I am a PC" kind of pathetic?

 

And, guess what, to some of us not wearing blinders, this commercial is indeed self-evident as a hit. Even if you disagree, he is entitled to his opinion, isn't he? Just as you're entitled to your blinders?


So if people disagree with you they must be wearing blinders? That's primitive thinking.

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post #53 of 148

What did you expect?

 

Microsoft has been the laughing stock of the industry for years now, and particularly over the course of their three-year old non-starting mobile effort. Which has been nothing but a disaster. Other players such as Google and Apple are eating their lunch. The company is old news. Mostly because it's run by a clown.

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Is it legal to have a competitors product (Apples iPad in this instance) in your own commercial?


A company can legally use a competitor's mark or brand as necessary to fairly and accurately describe its products, or to fairly and accurately compare its products and services to those of the competitor. What it cannot do is market in a way that leads to a likelihood of consumer confusion about the source or affiliation of its products or its competitor's products.

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post #55 of 148

Microsoft now making ads bashing Apple products.. my how the tables have turned. 

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Wait, multitasking?

The fancy (hideous) new Windows 8 apps don't even run unless they're in the foreground. And when they're in the foreground, they're fullscreen, making it impossible to multitask.

 

Never mind that the entire operating system completely locks up when you're copying a file. COPYING A FILE. There is no multitasking in Windows.

They show it in the ad. You can pin apps to the edge of the screen, and they kinda tile. I've never actually seen a Windows 8 tablet in real life, so I can't say how well it works, but it certainly exists.

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Good for you two - sticking to your guns and be damned with objectivity. Why ever admit that another company can pull off something cool once in a while?

There is absolutely nothing cool about an RT tablet. How do I know? It's very simple... virtually no one is buying them! They have been totally panned by reviewers as they can't even run regular windows software - anyone who buys one ends up being deeply disappointed and feels mislead. It is a dog. And is totally confusing in it's positioning and implementation - W8RT, W8Pro, Win8, W8 Classic Desktop - with a UI designed by and for someone with attention deficit disorder - a totally confusing cluster FK! Classic Microsoft.


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There is absolutely nothing cool about an RT tablet. How do I know? It's very simple... virtually no one is buying them! They have been totally panned by reviewers as they can't even run regular windows software - anyone who buys one ends up being deeply disappointed and feels mislead. It is a dog. And is totally confusing in it's positioning and implementation - W8RT, W8Pro, Win8, W8 Classic Desktop - with a UI designed by and for someone with attention deficit disorder - a totally confusing cluster FK! Classic Microsoft.

Did just take 7% of the market with it in Q1, and win 8 is selling almost as fast as win 7. So overall not that bad.

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What the commercial is missing is a voice that talks super fast at the end stating that regular windows tablet software will not run on the windows RT version and vice versa.

The add was for an Asus tablet which has a full version of Windows.
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The Windows8/Surface ad will never be shown and decorticated in university classes the way the I’m a Mac ads were

Wow - I learnt a new word today. But rather esoteric usage...

 

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1. (Life Sciences & Allied Applications / Botany) (tr) to remove the bark or some other outer layer from
2. (Medicine / Surgery) Surgery to remove the cortex of (an organ or part)
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post #61 of 148
When are the stocks going to be over $1000.00?
post #62 of 148
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Wait, multitasking?


The fancy (hideous) new Windows 8 apps don't even run unless they're in the foreground. And when they're in the foreground, they're fullscreen, making it impossible to multitask.

Never mind that the entire operating system completely locks up when you're copying a file. COPYING A FILE. There is no multitasking in Windows.

Asus VivoTab Smart is Atom based, running x86 Windows 8. No, it does not lock copying a file. And in Modern GUI, you can have 2 apps running on screen. They will share screen in fixed 2:1 ratio, one app taking 1/3 and the other one 2/3 of a screen. If you want more, you'll have to go to classic desktop, but even this have some usage - 1/3 of screen is usually good enough for chat app, calculator, unit converter, etc.
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What the commercial is missing is a voice that talks super fast at the end stating that regular windows tablet software will not run on the windows RT version and vice versa.

Mind you, this is Windows 8 tablet add, not Windows RT tablet add. And everything in this add will, actually, work on RT as well, not that it really matters.
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Don't really care for Live Tiles so you can keep that.  

Keynote is just fine and I'm sure they tried to make it as unflattering as possible.  

Multitasking in the same space as another app is a so-so feature if your apps save state then it isn't a big deal.  There's not many cases where I, personally, would see myself absolutely needing this feature.  For productivity tools sure that would be great.

I really like having two apps opened side by side, I always have either my email client up or Skype. It's also great when watching TV or movies.
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post #65 of 148
Wow!
MS knows that their lunch is being eaten my Apple.
The ipad does everything the average person needs without the need of MS bloatware.
post #66 of 148
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Asus VivoTab Smart is Atom based, running x86 Windows 8. No, it does not lock copying a file. And in Modern GUI, you can have 2 apps running on screen. They will share screen in fixed 2:1 ratio, one app taking 1/3 and the other one 2/3 of a screen. If you want more, you'll have to go to classic desktop, but even this have some usage - 1/3 of screen is usually good enough for chat app, calculator, unit converter, etc.

Windows 8.1 update will allow for equal screen sharing for the apps, 50/50.
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post #67 of 148
You do realise this is not an iPad add, right? Having a piano virtuoso performing "Flight of Valkyries" would be a bit counter-effective for what they are promoting here. It's a bit like PC guy in "Get a Mac" adds. I personally know much cooler PC users, but Brad Pitt looking PC guy would munch Justin Long for a snack, regarding of their lines.
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Pretty good ad, showcases a few advantages that Windows 8 has in a clear and clever way.

Can't imagine Powerpoint being anywhere near as easy to use as that though, and it obviously skims straight over the fact that there aren't many apps out for the new Start screen yet.  And if it was W8Pro then there should be a battery life warning and a fan kicking up noise in the background.

Nevertheless, well played Microsoft, a decent burn when you don't have much to work with.

No. Atom based W8Pro tablets - at least those I've seen so far - have comparable weight, battery life and thermals to ARM tablets. And no active cooling at all. If you haven't paid attention, you'd miss them for RT tablets.
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Long time Apple use and fan (over 10 years) and I think this advert is great, and to see all the people defending their purchases on here is even funnier. Chill out, this type of competitiveness is healthy and only makes both companies work harder for us, the end user. So stop being so negative and see the funny point in it... I did.
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Microsoft continues to think people want Office on their tablet devices. I have many friends associated with Microsoft and they still think Office is a "killer app". And it is for desktop, but for a tablet which is used for so many non-work related tasks, Office is just not that important. There are plenty of apps out there that can read Office formats if I need to review a document in flight. If Office was available for the iPad I would buy it, but I would not buy a tablet just to get Office. The bigger concern I have with Surface Pro is the terrible battery life and the lack of basic apps (i.e. Words with Friends).

Well, some people want, and some people even need Office on tablet. Others can do with Pages or DocsToGo. And some probably don't need any Office option at all.

Depending on where one is, Office can be a must, a bonus or irrelevant. But same goes for pretty much any other app or suite of apps.

As of how many members are in each individual group, that is a 6 million dollar question. From my personal perspective, it is huge - I work in IT, my wife in Academia, and we both rely on Office a lot. But those are specifics of our surroundings, not a global phenomenon.

At the end, each player in this game plays with card in their hands, and Office is one of the cards in MS hands. I'd say it's a good card - Office will benefit many, and will not turn away those who don't care for it. A very safe card to play.
post #72 of 148

I have iPad, MacBook Air, and an Asus notebook with touch screen running Windows 8.

 

When I want to show a presentation, I simply use iPad. When I want to create and edit a presentation, I use Keynote on my Mac. Keynote and Office in iPad is sh*t, but using PowerPoint with touch screen is equally the same sh*t.

 

 No need for complex touch screen app when all you need is a simple traditional desktop apps and keyboard/touchpad.

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Several problems with this ad:

1. The first comment "I don't update like that" is entirely without context. Most consumers will be scratching their heads and thinking "what the heck are they talking about?"

2. Siri says "I can only do one thing at a time" - which is just plain false. That alone may cost them a lawsuit.

3. While Windows RT does run PowerPoint, it doesn't run most PC software. They're setting themselves up for massive numbers of unhappy customers.

Overall, nice try, but fail.

Man... that is Windows 8, not Windows RT commercial. and tablet presented there looks like Atom based Asus VivoTab Smart, which runs full x86 windows 8.

I'm honestly hoping RT will drop classic desktop and become OS for cheapest possible (mostly 7" or so) tablets. Already with current Atoms, ARM W8 tablets don't make much sense - they limit functionality while not really offering lower price, better battery or less weight.

That, or merge with WP8 and become OS for smartphones and phablets, dedicated eBook readers with some additional smart features...
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Are people really dumb enough these days to be affected by this type of thing? It tastes like a used car ad, where the salesman is trying to convince you of something against your own understanding and perceptions of what's better. Such an out-of-date advertising style, well below the bar set by the reality of Apple's products.

And btw, I don't hear the Surface talking...so what's your point Microsoft?

Wow. You didn't really even try to think about what you are looking at, did you?

The catchphrase is "Less talking, more doing". And coincidently, one tablet only talks while the other does things. How weird is that?! 1wink.gif
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In the end, this ad actually says more about how Microsoft views tablets than anything. They play chopsticks because that's all they know how to play. (And that pretty much describes them in more ways than one.)

Of course it doesn't. It is advertising. At best it sits on carefully handpicked truths (or half-truths at least) while conveniently ignoring everything else. I also think it is very much rehearsal of "Get a Mac" adds which did the same... at least I don't recall any of those adds mentioning that, while you do get more malware on Windows, you also get more games and other software in general. Same formula: focus on parts that play in your advantage, and don't mention the others. It is commercial, after all; not an Anandtech.com full product review.
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Just saw this during the NBA playoff game (Heat & Pacers) and gotta admit it was a little funny. I have no desire to get a MS Surface. The commercial does not make me want one either. But it was humorous........When you are number one like Apple is...the others will take their pot shots at you.....

I admit the ad was funny, but in a pathetic sort of way. Let's see, they showed running a movie while editing a PowerPoint. Excuse me, you can't see the movie running WHILE you're editing the PowerPoint, so what's the big deal? At least when I open Keynote to edit a PowerPoint, the movie pauses so I don't miss a scene. 

 

The iPad does do some multitasking when it's important, such as listening to Pandora while doing anything else I want. Meanwhile the Surface is burning through its battery while showing a movie in the background you can't see... or God-knows-what-other-programs sucking up batter life in the background.

 

Then they had the gall to compare a 64Gb Surface RT to a 64Gb iPad as if that is somehow fair. The 64Gb Surface RT has only 23Gb of free memory available to the user sice the bloated Windows OS is squatting on most of the memory. A better comparison would be a 32Gb iPad. However, the way the iPad uses memory and the iCould, even the 16 Gb is an excellent comparison. (which is the size I purchased) 

 

Finally Sirii can multitask. I often have her set an alarm for me, which means she is opening the clock App while she's running. She opens the calendar app when she sets an appointment and the Notepad app to make me a quick memo. I suspect with iOS 7 she will be doing even more multitasking with other apps, maybe even third-party apps.

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Not everybody agrees with you. I think Apple appeared better to the average consumer in this ad. And I am a Windows guy, never owned a Mac.

Because... synthetic voice from iPad was only complaining about things it cannot do, a bit like Marvin, the Paranoid Android from Hitchhiker's Guide..? And that would appear better to average consumer... how?
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Man... that is Windows 8, not Windows RT commercial. and tablet presented there looks like Atom based Asus VivoTab Smart, which runs full x86 windows 8.

 

Not at $499 is it a full Windows 8 tablet. 

 

Anyway, I say good for Microsoft! They made it through the whole commercial without the tablet freezing up or the battery running out. 

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No. Atom based W8Pro tablets - at least those I've seen so far - have comparable weight, battery life and thermals to ARM tablets. And no active cooling at all. If you haven't paid attention, you'd miss them for RT tablets.
Really? That's quite an impressive feat they've accomplished if true.

I stand corrected, and admit that I haven't paid much attention.

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Because... synthetic voice from iPad was only complaining about things it cannot do, a bit like Marvin, the Paranoid Android from Hitchhiker's Guide..? And that would appear better to average consumer... how?

Sirii can multitask. I often have her set an alarm for me, which means she is opening the clock App while she's running. She opens the calendar app when she sets an appointment and the Notepad app to make me a quick memo. I suspect with iOS 7 she will be doing even more multitasking with other apps, maybe even third-party apps. Siri can also take dictation* which is even better than trying to type on the $100 pretend keyboard Microsoft will sell you.

 

*dictated on my 16 Gb Apple iPad with Siri.

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post #80 of 148
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What did you expect?

Microsoft has been the laughing stock of the industry for years now, and particularly over the course of their three-year old non-starting mobile effort. Which has been nothing but a disaster. Other players such as Google and Apple are eating their lunch. The company is old news. Mostly because it's run by a clown.

You live in one warped world...

Google is doing all they can (without being nailed for that) to slow down WP8, which, at least in Nokia's case, was selling better since WP7 introduction till now than both iPhone and Android phones were selling in the same timeframe.

I will admit I was prone to the same mistakes a few years back, thinking that iPhone will be niche product and iPad is just an oversized iPod Touch - until someone much smarter said something in line of "washbowl and swimming pool have same concept, but size makes all the difference" which made me think. I kept open mind ever since and didn't make the same mistake with Android, nor will I make it with Windows phones and tablets.
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