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If the competitor is Android, iOS doesn't need anything special to beat it, because Android is made by removing from Linux its best strengths, and replacing them with non-consistent and unstable concepts from the Windows world. Add Java to it, unreasonable apps permissions to user private data, and you end up with a system iOS beats in every release.

So, iOS doesn't need anything special *if* (and note the *if*) the competitor is Android.

But if some vendor manages to ship a touch-Linux with all the UNIX strengths and features, then, yes, iOS will have a problem. But in the meantime you can be confident you can beat Android even with a Windows-3.1 based system.
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If the competitor is Android, iOS doesn't need anything special to beat it, because Android is made by removing from Linux its best strengths, and replacing them with non-consistent and unstable concepts from the Windows world. Add Java to it, unreasonable apps permissions to user private data, and you end up with a system iOS beats in every release.

So, iOS doesn't need anything special *if* (and note the *if*) the competitor is Android.

But if some vendor manages to ship a touch-Linux with all the UNIX strengths and features, then, yes, iOS will have a problem. But in the meantime you can be confident you can beat Android even with a Windows-3.1 based system.

You are aware consumers buy products, right?
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Ugh. FCPX is just fine after a few point updates. Please. The only people who can't handle X are old guys too set in their ways to try new things. For them there's Avid and Premiere.

I didn't say it wasn't fine. Is reading comprehension still a problem for you, "young guy"?

post #124 of 254
The problem with this articles argument is that phones and pcs are not the same thing. The OS on a pc is just the gateway to the program you want to use. People don't care that much about it which is why they don't like it to change.

A phone however is a luxury gadget that people like to change every year. The OS is a big part of a phone experience. Its your messages, emails, music, etc. So the lock screen and start things become very important things which are what the devices are sold on.

Id argue that iPhone needs a refresh. The current home screen isn't just the original iphone screen, its what was on feature phones before it! Both it and the lock screen are also just not that functional that's why it needs a refresh.

We're also entering a time when the apps are becoming the same on all platforms. Even the new Facebook app on windows phone is the same as ios and android. So when these apps run the same on a £120 Nokia, Apple has to add something more if it wants to keep its premium price at £400.
post #125 of 254
Apple needs to focus on the current limitations of iOS that prevent it from being a full replacement for a desktop computer. One of these is a real file system or a way for apps to organize, share and store large numbers of documents. As it stands the only way to share a document between apps is to use the "send to" feature which not many apps support or do so inconsistently.

Apps also need better multitasking and background processing features. Background tasks are currently limited to navigation and music apps and are woefully incomplete even there. Why, for example, can't podcast apps download new episodes in the background so that they are ready to listen immediately when you turn on your iPhone? Power consumption is the main reason Apple does not want apps to run in the background but perhaps if apps were given a power budget that users could control that would prevent badly designed apps from draining the battery. You could also see which apps used the most battery in the foreground or background and know to avoid those or disable their background ability. A properly designed app should use minimal power in the background. For example, my app tracks GPS signals but can do so using a Bluetooth GPS. It can track for 12 hours while my iPod's power remains at 100%.

I would also like the ability to organize my apps better. Folders are nice but are a bit crude. Apps need better categorization both in the App Store and on the device. eBay does a really good job of categorization. It can keep many millions of items categorized and easy to find. That would be a good model to follow.
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Originally Posted by GrangerFX View Post
…a real file system…

 

Do you people do any research before saying crap?


Folders are nice but are a bit crude.

 

"I want a 'file system', but I don't want a file system."


Apps need better categorization both in the App Store…

 

ABSOFREAKINGLUTELY.


I'll scream it from rooftops until Apple gets it through their heads: "Games" is not sufficient by anyone's metric, I don't care what the situation. Games/RTS/Sci-Fi is sufficient. Utilities/Searching/Restaurants is sufficient, not "Utilities".

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post #127 of 254
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Really? What about Windows XP that looked very different from Windows 95/98...

 

 lol.gif NOPE. Reskinning icons with the XP "Playskool" theme doesn't count doesn't count as "very different." And you could turn that off in the control panel to get back the Windows 2000 look, which is what Windows 95 looked like with gradient title bars.

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I have another, simple change. There is no need for the bottom menu bar to be so tall in Safari. You could easily shave quite a bit of space above and below the icons and regain some screen real estate.
 

it's all about tap target size.  your finger is so big and reducing the tap target size will reduce the accuracy and really annoy people.  I already have a huge issue where if I tap the Message app too quickly it will think i'm sliding instead of tapping and drag me over to the blank spotlight screen.

post #129 of 254
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And stop leaving user experience dead-ends in iOS, such as where you can see your photos within Camera, but to do anything with them you need to exit and enter the Photos app. This is ridiculous.
 

Yes, you can do plenty inside the Camera app without ever entering the Photos app.

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I second the need to fix the camera dead end issue. Don't know how it ever got out the door like that.

What "camera dead end" issue?

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Agreed, I thought I was doing something wrong when I couldn't just text the photo I'd just taken directly from the camera app!

You are doing something wrong.

 

From inside the Camera app...

 

 

post #130 of 254
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ABSOFREAKINGLUTELY.


I'll scream it from rooftops until Apple gets it through their heads: "Games" is not sufficient by anyone's metric, I don't care what the situation. Games/RTS/Sci-Fi is sufficient. Utilities/Searching/Restaurants is sufficient, not "Utilities".

 

Also, like almost everyone else on the Internet lately, they don't seem to understand the difference between a category and a tag.  Everyone is so tag happy in the last five years or so that they don't appreciate that categories are just as important.  Most seem to think that tagging a bunch of information is the same thing as putting it into categories.  It's not.  

 

Categories and Tags are two separate systems that in any decent database, support each other.  One cannot replace the other. 

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This is a great article, and I hope apple is listening. My biggest wish for the new iOS is some type of useful file management system. I want to use this iPhone (& iPad) to create and share, not just consume. The operative word is "useful"--I haven't seen a touch os that has the capability of a mouse/trackpad system.

 

Neither has Apple. That's why they sell Macs, with mice and/or trackpads.

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post #132 of 254
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Or how are you explaining the fact, that Google held a developer conference without introducing any new software?!

Uhm, you must have been watching a different conference.
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post #133 of 254
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it's all about tap target size.  your finger is so big and reducing the tap target size will reduce the accuracy and really annoy people.  I already have a huge issue where if I tap the Message app too quickly it will think i'm sliding instead of tapping and drag me over to the blank spotlight screen.

The tap target size would still be much bigger than the "X" and "Clear" in Notification Center, Hi-Yo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1wink.gif
post #134 of 254
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it's all about tap target size.  your finger is so big and reducing the tap target size will reduce the accuracy and really annoy people.  I already have a huge issue where if I tap the Message app too quickly it will think i'm sliding instead of tapping and drag me over to the blank spotlight screen.

 

Still there is a lot of clutter and even some poor design in mobile Safari that could be removed, and the bar is actually pretty freaking gigantic.  It could easily be reduced by a few pixels at least.  

 

Personally, I continue to be mystified but the fact that when using mobile Safari in "private" mode, it still saves all my web pages from the previous session.  On mobile, one tends to look things up quickly and then dismiss them.  Having access to whatever page you had open the last time you used Safari, (and having to wait for a minute or two to load all that nonsense, only to have to delete it once it's done) is a huge wage of time.  I want to use Safari to quickly look something up, not have to wait while it loads up whatever you looked for when you were in that restaurant two days ago.  

 

Especially since iOS devices usually have very low system memory and have to swap all that nonsense back into it, this seems like a really poor design decision to me, especially for "private" browsing.  

 

I think if I have set my browser to private mode, turned off cookies and explicitly told the mobile I don't want to be tacked or keep a record of my history etc., that saving my last open pages and then throwing them in my face the next time I use the browser is just idiotic.  It seems to be based on "old" desktop type thinking about how people use browsers.  

post #135 of 254
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Yes, you can do plenty inside the Camera app without ever entering the Photos app.
What "camera dead end" issue?
You are doing something wrong.

From inside the Camera app...




Enter the camera app from the lock screen with no pass code and try again.
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post
Enter the camera app from the lock screen with no pass code and try again.

 

No fricking duh you can't send messages when you haven't even proven you're the owner of the device!

Come on, man.

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post #137 of 254
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I think if I have set my browser to private mode, turned off cookies and explicitly told the mobile I don't want to be tracked or keep a record of my history etc., that saving my last open pages and then throwing them in my face the next time I use the browser is just idiotic.  It seems to be based on "old" desktop type thinking about how people use browsers.  

When you turn on private browsing you are given this option:



And like you said, you're given a cookie option (and history is not remembered no matter what). Am I missing something?
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post #138 of 254
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The entire NeXT Services that are part of OS X and iOS but not remotely as well extended and exposed as it is in NeXTSTEP/Openstep should be available in iOS 7 and OS X 10.9.

Within DropBox on either platform should be a much richer and deeper public api that allows for a much richer experience of services. On iOS it has to be as unobtrusive as possible. In OS X it must be much more clearly exposed and leveraged across OS X and Apple must show within its own app suites how they are leveraging it to its fullest.

 

agreed.

 

This is my common refrain for iOS.. it needs to get back to object level services, where the objects truly polymorphic...  The beauty of nextstep was the consistency of how object handling by the receiving (messaged) service/app was, even with dramatically different sent objects.   That is robustness at it's core.  

 

I find something so simple like 'I need to call/facetime jeff 7am tomorrow" and Jeff is in my contact list, with a phone number, and Siri will schedule it, but the calendar app doesn't understand 'call jeff' is a 'phone number' and that when I go to my calendar, I should be able to click on the 'object' and message it directly into dialing the number in the phone app.  (analogous:  'meet jeff at his office:' automagically when I click on the object, it starts the maps app.   

 

This robustness/rich-API is necessary at the core, and then drive it out to the core capabilities of iOS, for both the iPad, the iPhone, and eventually, the iTV(ish solution).    The underlying power of the system should 'guide/option' what you intend for each object, ala Siri, asking "What phone number should I call, Home, office, or facetime?" but also it should make it pervasive across all apps (I grab a 'movie' object from rotten tomatoes, and should be able to 'message' that to anything... calendar, iTunes, netflix, thepiratebay;-), whatever....)

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No fricking duh you can't send messages when you haven't even proven you're the owner of the device!

Come on, man.

 

With no pass code?

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I never thought I would see an article like this on AI.  I really hope iOS 7 has modern UI changes and adds features to make it as functional as Android.  Then I might finally be able to give my MBP an Apple companion!

If you want to Tinker 24/7 and waste time, get Android or Linux, have fun with that.

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Apple needs to focus on the current limitations of iOS that prevent it from being a full replacement for a desktop computer. One of these is a real file system or a way for apps to organize, share and store large numbers of documents. As it stands the only way to share a document between apps is to use the "send to" feature which not many apps support or do so inconsistently.

Apps also need better multitasking and background processing features. Background tasks are currently limited to navigation and music apps and are woefully incomplete even there. Why, for example, can't podcast apps download new episodes in the background so that they are ready to listen immediately when you turn on your iPhone? Power consumption is the main reason Apple does not want apps to run in the background but perhaps if apps were given a power budget that users could control that would prevent badly designed apps from draining the battery. You could also see which apps used the most battery in the foreground or background and know to avoid those or disable their background ability. A properly designed app should use minimal power in the background. For example, my app tracks GPS signals but can do so using a Bluetooth GPS. It can track for 12 hours while my iPod's power remains at 100%.

 

You could say the same about Xbox or Kindle or iPod. But strangely, no one complains about Xbox and Kindle or iPod not having file systems are "true multitasking" or whatever else you think is missing to turn it into a full fledged computer. I want to know why. You people get what the Xbox is all about: a dedicated, focused machine for doing certain tasks very well. It's not intended to be a general purpose computer. It's locked down, an appliance. You never see or manage a file system, and gamers are PERFECTLY HAPPY with that.

 

But you bring up iOS and suddenly every geek out there knows exactly what is "missing" from iOS: all the features that make it exactly like Mac OS X. Well GUESS WHAT? It's your LUCKY DAY... Turns out, Apple sells a machine that can run Mac OS X.

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post #142 of 254
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When you turn on private browsing you are given this option:



And like you said, you're given a cookie option (and history is not remembered no matter what). Am I missing something?

 

That's a first time option for switching to private browsing.  It rightly asks you if you want to carry the tabs you are currently viewing over to the "private" experience.  

 

Once private mode is enabled however, every single time you open your browser you are presented with the tabs open from the last session.  Given the low memory situation on iOS, if you have more than one tab open, this is a pain and will suck up most of your system memory.  

 

It's kind of aggressive also, because if you're quick enough you can touch the search field and get half a search entered, before the browser takes over, switches you *out* of the search you were just attempting, and instead attempts to load that page from last week.  So you have to basically sit there and wait for it to load all the old junk, delete the old tabs one by one, and only *then* can you do the search that you opened the browser for.  

 

Very frustrating.  I'm sure a lot of folks might have even switched to the Google search app simply because opening the browser and searching in mobile Safari can be such a frustrating experience.  

post #143 of 254

It's the platform stupid!

 

iOS and Mac OS both have awesome architectures not much change needed there.

 

The only key service Apple needs to bring in house is search.

Apple needs to gradually move away from Google search and provide it's own.

A good seamless translation service behind SIRI would also be good.

 

Other than that, Apple needs to continue to extend and enhance the services it provides.

I also look forward to more integration of Yahoo services.

 

iOS and Mac OS X have numerous services that other platforms can only dream about...

 

PassBook

iTunes U

Airplay / Mirroring

Vehicle integration

Siri

iBooks

Newsstand

iAD

iTunes

iCloud

Apple Maps

FaceTime

Game Center

 

Looking forward to iRadio, iTelevison and iAD integration.

 

Apple also controls the whole experience...  Hardware, Software, Look & Feel...


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That's a first time option for switching to private browsing.  It rightly asks you if you want to carry the tabs you are currently viewing over to the "private" experience.  

Once private mode is enabled however, every single time you open your browser you are presented with the tabs open from the last session.  
That's insane!

I never use PB, but that sounds like a bug.
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It's the platform stupid!

iOS and Mac OS both have awesome architectures not much change needed there.

The only key service Apple needs to bring in house is search.
Apple needs to gradually move away from Google search and provide it's own.
A good seamless translation service behind SIRI would also be good.
 
Other than that, Apple needs to continue to extend and enhance the services it provides.
I also look forward to more integration of Yahoo services.

iOS and Mac OS X have numerous services that other platforms can only dream about...

PassBook
iTunes U
Airplay / Mirroring
Vehicle integration
Siri
iBooks
Newsstand
iAD
iTunes
iCloud
Apple Maps
FaceTime
Game Center

Looking forward to iRadio, iTelevison and iAD integration.

Apple also controls the whole experience...  Hardware, Software, Look & Feel...

Christ, you're some fanboy.
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post
Christ, you're some fanboy.

 

No longer asking rhetorically, what in the world is your problem?

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post #147 of 254
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If the competitor is Android, iOS doesn't need anything special to beat it, because Android is made by removing from Linux its best strengths, and replacing them with non-consistent and unstable concepts from the Windows world. Add Java to it, unreasonable apps permissions to user private data, and you end up with a system iOS beats in every release.

So, iOS doesn't need anything special *if* (and note the *if*) the competitor is Android.

But if some vendor manages to ship a touch-Linux with all the UNIX strengths and features, then, yes, iOS will have a problem. But in the meantime you can be confident you can beat Android even with a Windows-3.1 based system.


I personally don't share your views on Android but I agree about a intuitive Linux mobile OS. Ubuntu Touch is looking pretty good in this regard, it's still too far off to know but I have high hopes. The ability to plug in a smartphone into a dock that's connected to a monitor, mouse, keyboard and have a full working desktop is still one my biggest wishes. Especially a full working Ubuntu distro.
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On iPhone you just use the search box and at the bottom of the suggested search terms you should see "search term found on this page"

It is similar on iPad but there it also gives you another search box to "Find on Page"

--Thanks to Dick Applebaum for pointing this out to me when I could not find that feature either.

Thanks to you both. Sheesh, it was staring me in the face for how many versions?
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That's a first time option for switching to private browsing.  It rightly asks you if you want to carry the tabs you are currently viewing over to the "private" experience.  

Once private mode is enabled however, every single time you open your browser you are presented with the tabs open from the last session.  
That's insane!

I never use PB, but that sounds like a bug.

 

I don't think that's a bug. You would not want a situation where simply switching from Safari to another app during private browsing closes all your tabs, and so that does not constitute closing the session. The correct way to get rid of the tabs is to close them, and the correct way to close the session is to exit private browsing, at which point the choice to keep or discard existing tabs is presented again.

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Color, gradients, textures... they're all simply kinds of information. Sometimes they can be clutter. But you can go too far the other way in trying to expunge them as well. I hope Sir Ive keeps that in mind. Because the one thing that zealotry never is, is fun. I'm worried he's going to create something totally sterile. Losing gradients on buttons worries me more than most everything I've read so far. Interfaces need cues. Grayscale pictures sacrifice 3/4 of the visual info, but that's what happened to my damned Finder sidebar. Is it an improvement? Not really. It's harder to distinguish things, and the increased difficulty is not paid for by any countervailing benefit that I can see, other than as tribute at the alter of dictum. Oh well. We'll just have to wait and see, and trust that he does actually remember that some of us don't want a stark, sterile UI.
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Originally Posted by Ronbo View Post
Losing gradients on buttons worries me more than most everything I've read so far.

 

Is there any indication that this would happen? That's gorgeous stuff right there.

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Is there any indication that this would happen? That's gorgeous stuff right there.

 

I sure don't have any info, but the 9to5 guys say they do, and they're making that claim. And that's what I'm commenting on -- frankly, I haven't read a Dilger article in years ;) . I just tend to find this forum a bit better.

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New software!? Like what?

Quite a lot of new tools created for developers, including Android Studio. Most here couldn't care less so rather than detail it here's a link that intimately describes the new software if you're really interested. A pretty good platform move on Google's part even tho they took too long to get serious about making life easier for small developers IMO.

http://readwrite.com/2013/05/23/monetizing-android-new-tools-in-google-play

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New software!? Like what?

Quite a lot of new tools created for developers, including Android Studio. Most here couldn't care less so rather than detail it here's a link that intimately describes the new software if you're really interested. A pretty good platform move on Google's part even tho they took too long to get serious like this IMO.

http://readwrite.com/2013/05/23/monetizing-android-new-tools-in-google-play

 

I don't think that's the kind of software that was under discussion, since it was in the context of what new user features might be announced at the WWDC.

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No longer asking rhetorically, what in the world is your problem?

You going to answer why it makes sense to not allow options for photos from the lock screen with no pass code?
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I disagree.
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You going to answer why it makes sense to not allow options for photos from the lock screen with no pass code?

Maybe Apple can borrow Yahoo Weather's concept - lockscreen can be a photo from the local scene. Makes sense given, "everyday, more photos are captured using the iPhone than any other camera."
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I think you probably meant to say Google didn't introduce any new hardware as they often do, which disappointed some folks. All they announced was a lot of new software, features and applications.

 

Yeah, new software like Hangouts, Maps etc. But a new version of the OS? Not so much! And that's what I am talking about!
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No longer asking rhetorically, what in the world is your problem?

You going to answer why it makes sense to not allow options for photos from the lock screen with no pass code?

 

Now I'm confused - are you saying that you think it should be possible to send photos without authenticating?

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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post
You going to answer why it makes sense to not allow options for photos from the lock screen with no pass code?

 

Yeah. Because then the thief can't get into your device and send a bunch of messages to everyone you know.

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