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Agree...


Multiuser support on the iPad and at a minimum a guest user on iPhone and older iPads.

Ability to hide any app in guest or non-admin account

Contacts parity with OS X

Some not too battery impacting at a glance items on he locked page.

Lose the leather looks.

Text search in Safari (or have I just not found it?)
What Safari is really missing for me - plugins. For instance I use LastPass a lot. Another issue to fix is tab refresh.
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post #82 of 254
File this under No Sh*t. I'm pretty sure iOS 7 will follow every other major release with at least 200+ new features. Did anyone actually think the supposed new interface design was the only new feature?

On the other hand, you can also file this under Doing It Wrong, because feature mimicking just for the sake of "me too" has not and never will serve Apple or its users. In fact, I'd say the reason we don't have such great and obvious ideas as Contacts data detectors and smarter copy paste is that Apple has been pandering a bit too much to the "me too" crowd. See also: Notification Center.
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That might be what they have said, but it's not what they have done. Mac OS has seen numerous changes that are not improvements. The best iPod Nano is either the first or the second generation design. Let's not forget FC10.

Ugh. FCPX is just fine after a few point updates. Please. The only people who can't handle X are old guys too set in their ways to try new things. For them there's Avid and Premiere.
post #84 of 254
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The phone is fine.

The real problem is OSX, the elephant in the room is the separation of the menu bar from the window. Commands are all over the place, in menus and across the top of windows. It makes it difficult for programmers to write cross-platform software, and screen sharing is a joke. Windows got this right.

Why doesn't any reviewer tackle this issue? Instead we get long-winded discussion of side issues.

And a credible upgrade of functionality in iWork would be great, never mind facebook integration, the cloud, notifications and other useless idiocy. And the on-going removal of functionality and customising options from the OS is objectionable. 
Yes screen sharing is a joke. But what the heck are you talking about with the menus? Reviewers don't talk about it because it's a non-issue. The elephant in the room is Windows, talk about menus all over the place. You're just used to it and the menu/button redundancy in OS X is confusing for you. But for
Mac users they have very real and practical use. Buttons in the windows are graphical shortcuts, and the complex stuff resides in menus at the top of the screen, where they always are, rather than every window having its own Menu Bar. If you think about it, that's just a waste of space. And clutter.
post #85 of 254
When Apple first introduced the iPhone in 2007, Steve Jobs said, that the software was five years ahead of the competition. He was right. That's how long it took Google to really catch up.

Now, we are in the sixth year and Google is again trying to see what Apple is going to do so they can ripp it off, again. Or how are you explaining the fact, that Google held a developer conference without introducing any new software?!

I think, that the new OS will be much more than just a new look...
post #86 of 254
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 Apple already uses colors to denote function, coding information apps (like Safari, Mail and iWork apps) in blue, telephony and messaging apps in green and utilitarian apps like Settings in grey, a practice that originated on the Mac OS. At WWDC, this concept may be carried ahead even further.

 

 

What? Let's go through this for a second. How is iWork and "information app" like Safari and Mail? I could see iWork and mail grouped as "content creation" apps or Mail and safari being grouped together as "core internet" apps, but not iWork and Safari. Also, the apple apps on my phone are color coded as follows:

 

Blue: Safari, Mail, Photos, Weather, Stocks, Voice Memos, App Store

Green: Messages, Phone

Grey: Settings, Camera!, Remote!, Find iPhone!

Purple: iTunes, Podcasts 

Orange: Music

Black: Clock, Reminders

Brown: Calculator, Notes, Compass

Wood Grain: Newsstand, iTunes U

Awful Mess: Game Center

 

Can anybody honestly see any correlation between color and function here? I mean using color to denote function is a great/obvious idea, but i don't really think Apple has ever actually done so, unless there is some sort of connection that is way over my head between Safari, Voice Memos and the App Store or Settings, Camera and Find iPhone...

post #87 of 254
I have a kindle, in some ways prefer it for reading ebooks as the backing is warm plastic, quite like that.

But if feels terribly restrictive as a device, its not obvious how to do certain things Amazon doesn't want you to do, like download a Gutenberg.org ebook and load it into the Kindle app. Also the apps available on the Amazon store are very restricted.

I'm used to iPads (I have about 6 around the place), also have a Nexus 6, so I can make comparisons from a base of knowledge. I also have a variety of phones and again the advantage of the simple consistent interface across all the devices on iOS is a huge boon to me as a user.

On the Android devices, from a variety of manufacturers I need to learn the differences in UX ever other time I pick up a device.

This is why I think its wrong to compare sales stats of iPads vs. all other Tablets as each manufacturer of Android tablets creates a completely different product that run different apps with a different experience for each user.
post #88 of 254
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That's your opinion. For me, OSX 10.8 is by far the best version yet, from a stability, speed, and features perspective. 


You're arguing a point that is separate from mine.

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When Apple first introduced the iPhone in 2007, Steve Jobs said, that the software was five years ahead of the competition. He was right. That's how long it took Google to really catch up.

Now, we are in the sixth year and Google is again trying to see what Apple is going to do so they can ripp it off, again. Or how are you explaining the fact, that Google held a developer conference without introducing any new software?!

I think, that the new OS will be much more than just a new look...

I think you probably meant to say Google didn't introduce any new hardware as they often do, which disappointed some folks. All they announced was a lot of new software, features and applications.

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post #90 of 254
Counternotions cover this subject a few months ago. It's a really good read with more brevity.
http://counternotions.com/2012/11/05/sirjony/
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"The entire NeXT Services that are part of OS X and iOS but not remotely as well extended and exposed as it is in NeXTSTEP/Openstep should be available in iOS 7 and OS X 10.9.

Within DropBox on either platform should be a much richer and deeper public api that allows for a much richer experience of services. On iOS it has to be as unobtrusive as possible. In OS X it must be much more clearly exposed and leveraged across OS X and Apple must show within its own app suites how they are leveraging it to its fullest.

Obviously, the Kernel will be different in both. The print system will be more robust. The networking system will be more secure, robust and extended to cover more standards. The Graphics Core will be a big jump. The Compiler Tools will have a huge jump after the first week of June.

The encryptions standards will be expanded. The Filesystem support will have its usual improvements to more file systems and possibly new updates to HFS that should be replaced by the time OS XI arrives.

OpenGL4.x/OpenCL1.2 (OpenCL 2.0 being published this August by the working body housed at Khronos.org, along with OpenGL 5.0).

There is a lot of change coming. Apple needs to show how it not only is making the foundation robust but develop a best practices tier even more visible than it already does for people to best leverage it. All the Cocoa Frameworks will be updated."

Enjoyed this post. Instead of saying 'iOS' needs 'something' you've actually said 'what.'

Good man.

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post #92 of 254
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Here here. iOS needs deep down changes. The best thing they could do is develop killer APIs and then showcase them in their core apps. They could create new APIs for inter-application communication and then demonstrate them by consolidating messaging, email, etc per contact - as mentioned in this article. They could also finally provide a SIRI api, BOOST its performance and then integrate it more tightly in more apps. Developers of course would lap this stuff up.

Agreed. One of the most useful features I've seen that exists on Android (for the area of the world that I live in) is an app that changes the way the phone functions. When a phone number calls that isn't in your contacts, the app will look up the number on the net and display who it is. Someone said that this was easy in Android because the app just takes over some core functionality and does what it needs to do. For security reasons Apple would not allow this but it could offer API's that an app could hook into.

post #93 of 254

There was a time when Apple's mobile apps were revolutionary at the time when iPhone was revolutionary.

 

But of course developers who are dedicated to 'one' app can make it far better.

 

But the days of Apple going back to 'little or no' software and 'depending' on M$, Google or Adobe to screw them over are GONE!  

 

Apple only needs to keep pace not to run the developers out of town.

 

But I'm sure the api, user interface and basic app suite for mobile and mac os X will be given work.

 

The grass grows under one's feet.  You have to mow it down from time to time...

 

140 billion in the bank?  Instead of giving big chunks to shareholders, use some of that to keep their basic software and their prosumer software on the 'edge?'

 

Software sells hardware?

 

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post #94 of 254
There's a difference between "flat" and "flatter".  I think it will be "flatter". 
 
I don't much care what the calendar looks like, as long as the default lower-right button on a Calendar event info sheet isn't "Delete".  
 
Skeuomorphism has a role in reminding you what app you're looking at.  I'm not interested in the logical extreme of "flat" which is "terminal.app". 
 
I'd take an iOS junk filter over any layout change.  
 
I'd take integrated OCR (even if it has to be distributed) 
 
And please return the Weather, Calculator, Voice Memo, Stocks etc. apps to the iPads.  
post #95 of 254
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iOS being "stale" is just those ADHD-afflicted tech-heads and whiners that need a visual-change every 10 minutes.  Nothing can keep their interest or attention for any decent amount of time.


iOS is efficient, stable, and polished, and gets the job done.  Apple will tweak, address, and resolve issues like they're always good at doing.  I'm happy with the progress they have made, and trust that they will (usually) do the right thing when that time arrives.


These vocal boredom-folks can go to Android and tweak to their hearts' content.  
So, as long as you're content, other opinions are shit?

Yes, on this particular issue.
post #96 of 254
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Examples:

Shared family iPad

Shared home iPad, like the unit I have on the coffee table used for HT, environmentals and visitors doing their own browsing.

Handling an iDevice to someone to browse, phone, view movie, listen to iPod or radio app, YouTube etc.

Special needs child. I have friends with autistic children and jail breaking doesn't make for a stable or average adult supportable platform.

Educational use controls.

User independent parental controls.



Frankly I see these things as necessary to further progress the post-PC world.

I agree, a guest mode and a children's mode similar to what's available on the Kindle Fire is great:

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Endless nests of app tiles is a HORRID way to organize things, the lock screen is one dimensional in functionality, the settings panels are endless nests of menus that have become progressively harder to use, and so much more is wrong with the UI. The hardware design has long since eclipsed the UI and the overall experience is stale and less useful than it should be.

Agreed completely.
post #97 of 254
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Least of which because Microsoft already did it and Google stole it from them. Though that's an important point. Microsoft reduced their OS to elementary shapes and primary colors. That's not necessarily bad, but it in their case it is.

 

Microsoft's model is to make something and force people to learn how to use it. By forcing people to do it the way they're told by Microsoft, they can be locked into the ecosystem. "Well, I've already spent ten hours figuring out twelve functions of this software; I may as well keep using it to get my 'money's worth' for my time, even if there is something better." That's why drastic UI changes are casually thrown around at Microsoft (Metro, Ribbon, the way Control Panel changes in every single release, etc.): they just couldn't care less about you and what is best for you. They want you to do it their way, which renders you incompatible with their competitors. Adobe does the same thing, except they do it within their own suite of applications, which is even more pathetic and embarrassing.

 

Apple doesn't do that. Apple does the polar opposite. Apple's model is to make something that operates in a way that everyone already understands. Apple wants people to pick up their products and instantly know how to use them. Jony has said that, if not word for word, in one of their product intro videos. Probably not word for word, but still. That's the reason for the skeuomorphism in the first place, and that's the reason it should NOT go away. Yes, it's overplayed. Slightly. But look: The point of the design of the hardware is to be as unobtrusive as possible. You shouldn't even notice the hardware as you use the software. That's why what Jony does is so difficult; it's easy to put a bunch of buttons and what have you directly on the product, but then you've stuck the user with the broad scope of "this button does that and only that" which comes from older, stupider appliances. You don't, for example, expect your blender's liquify button to do something different when you're after pineapple instead of mango. When the hardware is so simple, so seamless that it just becomes the window to the world that is software, then that world can be populated richly. Back to skeuomorphism. To make something that everyone already understands, you'd want to make it, well, look like something you already understand. Notes being a legal pad makes perfect sense, for example. Calendar looking like a desk calendar makes perfect sense. Where skeuomorphism can overstep its bounds is when the design itself detracts (or distracts) from the utility*. For example, the color and type of leather chosen in Calendar is wrong. Objectively. "But you can't…" Come on, it's just wrong. Take a gander at a physical desk calendar and you'll see that it has neither puffy nor yellow-taupe leather on top. It'll be a leather, sure. But it would be a deep maroon, it would be flat (like a rectangular prism), and it probably wouldn't even have a visible seam on it, much less one so large. That's where Calendar goes wrong: not that it mirrors a desk calendar, but the way in which it does so. Find My Friends also fails skeuomorphically. But not for the same reason. Find My Friends fails not because of the color and type of leather chosen, but because there is no physical analogue to its utility. The skeuomorphism there confuses the mind, both consciously and subconsciously, and distracts us from its use. In seeing it, both on its own and within the context of the entire OS, we are compelled to connect the dots between its UI and something we may have seen in life before. We get confused, then, because not only is there no physical analogue to Find My Friends, if we do manage to connect it to something, that something is wrong, and then we don't use the app as is intended, because we expect it to be something it never was. This is all really subtle stuff, but it's happening.

 

I shouldn't have to say this, but I'm worried enough that I feel compelled to: I hope Jonathan Ive still recognizes the extension of the role his hardware plays in this system and that the design of the software should not be handled in the same fashion as he does hardware. The hardware is sparse so the software can be rich

 

*But, given that his greatness comes from making hardware whose design neither distracts nor detracts from its utility, I have confidence that Jonathan Ive, despite the media pathetically up-playing his "scorn" of skeuomorphism in that split second interview, in redesigning iOS (if at all) could make something beautiful, powerful, and simple, without removing the skeuomorphism that makes all Apple products the leaders they are.

 

Sorry about the wall. I hope I'm on the mark for most of it.

TS I couldn't agree more. Thanks for posting this.

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TS I couldn't agree more. Thanks for posting this.

Second that. An essay from TS! He can still do it!

(I guess he means ""wall" of text. I say good walls make good readers.)
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The editorials at this site are so amateurishly written - does the person writing these even have a degree in journalism or any qualifications to even write an editorial? Seriously, what intelligent person thinks Apple can only work on one thing at a time? It can't add features at the same time it revamps the interface - are you kidding?

Apple has never stated, in advance, what new features would be contained in any future iOS release. So just be patient and wait for WWDC before making presumptions and straw hat arguments to form the basis of a badly written editorial.
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Yeah it drives me nuts when we hear how Apple is making Siri more whimsical. That's not what we need. The fact people were/are using Siri just to ask it stupid questions to get some cute/funny/smart ass reply back should be a bit of an embarrassment for Apple.
Being "whimsical" is what gives Siri " her winning personalty". The most "popular" kids at school weren't always the smartest and most clever kids, but they were uually the ones who were the most fun to be around and made you happier. In that respect, I'd say cellphone are a lot alike.
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Originally Posted by geojohn View Post
The real problem is OSX, the elephant in the room is the separation of the menu bar from the window. Windows got this right.

 

This is so flipping far off base it's just laughable. You don't have the first clue what you're talking about.


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post #102 of 254
This is a great article, and I hope apple is listening. My biggest wish for the new iOS is some type of useful file management system. I want to use this iPhone (& iPad) to create and share, not just consume. The operative word is "useful"--I haven't seen a touch os that has the capability of a mouse/trackpad system.
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I second the need to fix the camera dead end issue. Don't know how it ever got out the door like that.

Agreed, I thought I was doing something wrong when I couldn't just text the photo I'd just taken directly from the camera app!
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What iOS actually needs is more basic features, like simple dedicated Calculator and Weather apps on iPad, and an actual dictionary app across all devices. It's frustrating having to open notes to type a word you want to look up. It'd be a much nicer experience to open a dictionary app to do this, like on OS X.

Beyond this we need features like scrollable folders. You know, so you don't need to create 3 games folders. And up-to-date app icons would be nice for weather, clock and all calendar apps. A silently ticking clock icon, for example. Or a weather icon that shows a tiny preview of local weather with the actual temperature (these icons could update hourly, and be limited to a specific subset of apps like these, with app icons for things like games given no such option). Also small features like "quick reply" for texts and unread Mail badges that update automatically without having to, you know, open the app. That would be nice, and useful, and user friendly, and not so complicated to add to the system.

What's the weather like now? Look at Weather icon. What's the current time to the very second? Look at Clock icon. What's the day and date? Look at Calendar icon, even a third party one. Where is that game again? Oh yeah, all my games are in my 'scrollable' game folder. I need to look up a word I just heard? Open the dictionary app. I need to perform a quick everyday calculation while using my iPad? Open the Calculator app. How many unread e-mails have I? Look at Mail icon (unread count now updates automatically). I just received an sms, but I'd like to quickly reply without leaving what I'm doing? Tap "quick reply", type something short, tap "send", continue doing.

These are the kinds of features I would like Apple to pay attention to. The kinds of features absolutely everyone will use and actually need on a regular basis. I need these things everyday, I'd bet most people do.
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post #105 of 254
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And please return the Weather, Calculator, Voice Memo, Stocks etc. apps to the iPads.  

Voice memo excluded I feel the opposite way. There are tons of freebies so take these out of the system. They are unneeded bloat.

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post #106 of 254
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I didn't take his comments as going that far. More like change for the sake of change isn't a good enough reason. And stake and bored without more detailed examples are just bitching.

Except that graphic design is fashion and what's considered contemporary changes over time.    That's why Aqua (which I happened to like quite a bit) looked fantastic when it was released, but looks a little funky now.   You look at ads from a few years ago and the fonts seem "old fashioned".    Sometimes Helvetica is in and sometimes it's out, etc.    Apple used to pay a lot more attention to typography in the OS than it does now.   

 

You can update the graphic look and feel without making the OS unfamiliar.     It used to be that only Apple knew how to accomplish quality graphic design.   But we no longer look at the OS and say, "wow!".   And in spite of the disadvantages of all the different versions of Android or the failure (so far) of Windows 8 and its offshoots on phones, when you casually look at those, they look as good as Apple.   Since most phones perform the same functions, I think Apple has to get back the "wow" factor so that when you look at a screen of any Apple OS, it blows you away as compared to the competition.     When the iPhone was first released, it accomplished exactly that -- it immediately made every other phone seem obsolete.    To a lesser extent, Apple accomplished the same thing when it released the iPad.   I think most people felt, "this is how it should be done", even if they felt it was a bit expensive.     Apple needs to create that same distinction once again between its products and the competition to prevent erosion of their sales to the many competitors.    This article and other critics can say every negative thing in the world about Android but the fact remains that it's taking lots of sales from Apple, no matter how inferior it may be under the covers. 

 

Personally, while I do think it's important for Apple to get away from such looks as that ugly game page posted above, I'm not necessarily sure that a completely flat and mostly colorless interface is the way to go.     Do we really want it to look like the first Mac OS?    

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One thing people are missing. Apple has to be very careful about what changes they make. When iOS 7 hits it will be on hundreds of millions of devices within weeks of release. If Apple gets it right then their entire user base is happy with their upgrade to iOS 7. If they get it wrong then they can also upset their entire user base.

Android doesn't have this problem because of the delays in getting updates out. So if they make a major mistake it only affects a small percentage of people on the newest devices. They have time to "fix" things and the PR damage is minimal since most Android users will be unaware of the new version anyway.

People may want a complete re-design of iOS, but it's a huge gamble for Apple. They have to be very careful when thinking about changing things.

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One thing people are missing. Apple has to be very careful about what changes they make. When iOS 7 hits it will be on hundreds of millions of devices within weeks of release. If Apple gets it right then their entire user base is happy with their upgrade to iOS 7. If they get it wrong then they can also upset their entire user base.

Android doesn't have this problem because of the delays in getting updates out. So if they make a major mistake it only affects a small percentage of people on the newest devices. They have time to "fix" things and the PR damage is minimal since most Android users will be unaware of the new version anyway.

People may want a complete re-design of iOS, but it's a huge gamble for Apple. They have to be very careful when thinking about changing things.

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Apple is crazy to go to a windows 8 like BORING UI. I have never considered jumping off the Apple platform till I have heard that they are going BACKWARDS on the UI. So UGLY! So Microsoft! Yuck!!!

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Originally Posted by Patrick Byars View Post
Apple is crazy to go to a windows 8 like BORING UI. I have never considered jumping off the Apple platform till I have heard that they are going BACKWARDS on the UI. So UGLY! So Microsoft! Yuck!!!

 

1. Apple is not doing anything.

2. Stop making decisions based on doing zero reading on your part, and on zero actual fact.

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Blogger Joshua Merrill has suggested that Apple's new WWDC logo (below) likely represents a stack of colored app icons, where each color represents a particular app. Apple already uses colors to denote function, coding information apps (like Safari, Mail and iWork apps) in blue, telephony and messaging apps in green and utilitarian apps like Settings in grey, a practice that originated on the Mac OS. At WWDC, this concept may be carried ahead even further.
However, whenever Apple has spearheaded its own software development it has delivered important stickiness for its platforms, which can be observed well back into the 1980s from Lisa Office to AppleWorks and in the modern era with iTunes, iWorks, iLife and Pro Apps.

About the colors denoting function.  If this theory is correct (which I think it's bullsh!t...or proof that Forstall cared very little for convention and collaboration) when why do apps change color between iOS and OS X?  I'd like to see some links to support this argument.  If grey is for utilitarian apps (meaning to me systems apps like Find my Mac or iPhone), why are FaceTime and the camera app grey?  To me Facetime should be Green.  Why is Voice memos app blue and not grey then?  Why is the iTunes Store App Purple and not Blue like OS X?  Why is the Music App Orange and not Blue like OS X?  I'm not really sure what it's meant by "Coding Apps" but that seems like much too broad a term to categorize so many apps with one color.  And for that matter, I'd classify Finder as a Utility App, why not Grey instead of blue?  I've been wining about how MS's Metro would be so much more user friendly if it were color coded by function, and mentioning that OS X and iOS could benefit from it too.  Right now my doc has only the most used apps (mail, safari, message (which is blue and not green BTW) finder, iTunes, docs folder stack (blue BTW) and trash).  6/7 apps all blue, all with very different functionality.

I'd like to se Mr Merrill's source on this theory because right now, it's a clusterf&ck of visual coordination.

 

Second.  Either I'm an ignorant Nube, or you've made a typo (along with a lot of other people in the past on these forums).  It's always been "iWork", not iWorks...yes the previous version was AppleWorks and yes maybe it's a term of endearment but if you're publishing something that is a colloquial term, italicize it or some kind of grammatical way to acknowledge that you know it's not the correct naming.

https://www.apple.com/iwork/

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I have another, simple change. There is no need for the bottom menu bar to be so tall in Safari. You could easily shave quite a bit of space above and below the icons and regain some screen real estate.

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This is a great article, and I hope apple is listening. My biggest wish for the new iOS is some type of useful file management system. I want to use this iPhone (& iPad) to create and share, not just consume. The operative word is "useful"--I haven't seen a touch os that has the capability of a mouse/trackpad system.

You might want to clarify what you mean by 'useful file system' and 'create and share' because there's a lot of folks out there that find the current file system pretty useful and do a lot of creating and sharing.

If by those terms you want you want a full fledged computer and computer OS in tablet form, you are likely to never get it cause Apple doesn't view that as the way to go with these devices and probably never will.

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One thing people are missing. Apple has to be very careful about what changes they make. When iOS 7 hits it will be on hundreds of millions of devices within weeks of release. If Apple gets it right then their entire user base is happy with their upgrade to iOS 7. If they get it wrong then they can also upset their entire user base.

Until the geeks get full tweaking and side loading without having to jailbreak that will happen no matter what Apple does

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Now compare that to Microsoft, which after launching Windows 95 also successfully kept things reliably boring for the next ten years. Just like Apple (and largely patterned after the Macintosh, as shown below), Microsoft only added relatively minor changes in how Windows looked and worked until 2006's Windows Vista, which suddenly made far more significant changes in both appearance and behavior.Now compare that to Microsoft, which after launching Windows 95 also successfully kept things reliably boring for the next ten years. Just like Apple (and largely patterned after the Macintosh, as shown below), Microsoft only added relatively minor changes in how Windows looked and worked until 2006's Windows Vista, which suddenly made far more significant changes in both appearance and behavior.

 

Really? What about Windows XP that looked very different from Windows 95/98, and was the basis from which Vista and Windows 7 improved on.

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The editorials at this site are so amateurishly written - does the person writing these even have a degree in journalism or any qualifications to even write an editorial? Seriously, what intelligent person thinks Apple can only work on one thing at a time? It can't add features at the same time it revamps the interface - are you kidding?

I often wonder if he's ghost writing as Mike Elgan over in CultofMac and Michael Steeber on 9to5Mac cause the quality is about the same

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I think you probably meant to say Google didn't introduce any new hardware as they often do, which disappointed some folks. All they announced was a lot of new software, features and applications.

New software!? Like what?
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I often wonder if he's ghost writing as Mike Elgan over in CultofMac and Michael Steeber on 9to5Mac cause the quality is about the same

 

This is a low blow.  Michael Steeber is a school kid with no experience and Mike Elgan is a card carrying lunatic with delusions of grandeur.  The editorials here, regardless of what problems them may have, are leagues ahead of the nonsense those guys spew over at CultofMac.  

 

I mean come on … Mike Elgan in particular contradicts himself with every single article.  One week he argues A, the next he argues the opposite of A.  He doesn't back any of his opinions up with anything resembling facts, he does no research, and offers no convincing arguments in any of his articles other than (the unspoken) "this is what I think."  

 

The man is a preening gas-bag who has been fired or kicked out of every serious journalistic institution he's worked for.  Now he writes for CultofMac, which gives you a really good idea what CultofMac is like (hint: they are more concerned with selling offensive T-Shirts and monetizing links to software sales than journalism).  

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Agreed, I thought I was doing something wrong when I couldn't just text the photo I'd just taken directly from the camera app!

But you can. Inside Camera.app, you can tap on the Camera Roll button, which is in the bottom left corner and is represented as a miniature of the last picture in your Camera Roll. That button takes you to the Camera Roll (which, again, IS in your Camera App). From your Camera Roll or Photos.app, tap on a photo, the share sheet emerges, and you can share that photo with any number of enabled apps (e.g., iMessage, Mail, facebook, Twitter). That bottom left button in Camera.app basically allows you to toggle between taking a photo and editing/deleting/reviewing/sharing photos you've already taken. I rarely use Photos.app because of that functionality.


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The Metro UI would look great in 16-color EGA. Perhaps Windows 2.0 is coming back. I can finally put my 286 back into service.

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