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Originally Posted by Macky the Macky View Post

I went into Radio Shack the other day because I wanted to be able to hook up my iPad to flat screen TVs in various meeting rooms. For a 6' HDMI cable and the adapter for iPad to HDMI it ran about $50 each. For that I can buy an ATV and not be physically wired to the TV. 

Or, you know, you could have went to monoprice.com and got them for $10.
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Please use the word culture, not DNA. That's all RDF. It's called company culture, thinking, philosophy, not DNA.

Does it matter what term I used? Obviously that's what it means. Why would that word upset you do much? It's a figure of speech. Or do you think I believe Apple as a company contains actual DNA strands?
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I'm happy with the way the ATV is progressing. I just really really really want to be able to connect a drive full of content directly to the device so it's not dependent on a Mac to play my content.

 

Oh yeah, and SolipsismX's HDMI pass-through.

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It is time to set the record straight about how Apple reports its product numbers.

 

It seems that apple fans are under the false impression that when Apple reports its sales numbers that it means those products are in the end customers hands, that is outright FALSE!

 

Just like Samsung, Motorola, HTC, BlackBerry, Nokia, ect. Apple has product in the channel inventory that is counted as sold for their quarterly accounting numbers that Apple reports.

 

I am including a link to an article that explains how Apple really reports its sales number and in the end Apple is no different than Samsung or any other company in how it is reporting its sales numbers.

 

Example if Apple reports 37 million units sold that does not mean there are 37 million units in purses, pockets and brief cases. There is channel inventory just like other companies so there can effectively be 11 million units that are sitting in inventory still unsold to an end user, i.e. a person on the street but are still counted as sold by Apple.

 

This is being posted solely to set the record straight about the myth of apples sold numbers are to the final end user.

 

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:rG3F6eFX_AsJ:money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/gigaom/articles/2013_05_09_what_apple_really_means_when_it_says_it_has_sold_a_product.html+&cd=13&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

post #45 of 69
Apple may have a grand vision, but Microsoft has a real product with the Xbox one. The AppleTV is not even worth mentioning by comparison.
post #46 of 69
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider 

"There is a grand vision," Cook replied.

Who was the idiot at AI who chose to write this, without mention that the question Kara Swisher asked Cook "is there a grand vision?" Come on, people. Dodgy reporting.
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post #47 of 69
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Does it matter what term I used? Obviously that's what it means. Why would that word upset you do much? It's a figure of speech. Or do you think I believe Apple as a company contains actual DNA strands?

If's a horrible figure of speech. It hints to a point that doesn't ring true, I feel. It feels very RDF.
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post #48 of 69
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Apple may have a grand vision, but Microsoft has a real product with the Xbox one. The AppleTV is not even worth mentioning by comparison.

The Xbox One isn't out yet, and Apple TV costs $99. The 360 launched 8 years ago, sold a total of 70M units in that time, and didn't make MS that much money, relatively. I don't see the comparison. The One is an expensive 8th gen gaming machine that also does TV.

If you asked most teenagers would they like an iPhone 5S (6) and iPad 5 or an Xbox One this Christmas, I'd bet the vast majority of them wouldn't choose the One. And therein lies the problem for this product, the world has moved along a lot in the past 8 years, MS will bring out their new console, and Apple TV remains an impulse buy for most households.
Edited by Ireland - 5/29/13 at 5:24am
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post #49 of 69
Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post
Actually I'd rather see an Apple TV with a Thunderbolt port. Then we would have an option of a single disk or a disk array.

 

Allowing direct connection to iTunes Libraries on the network would let you cut the cable and plug the array into an AirPort device. All we need are 802.11ac AirPort devices that have Thunderbolt in back instead of USB.


Originally Posted by habi View Post
Yea appletv could be made better in so many easy ways, but when was it upgraded lastly? I mean even the software...

 

March 19, 2013.

 

Originally Posted by ifij775 View Post
Apple may have a grand vision, but Microsoft has a real product with the Xbox one. The AppleTV is not even worth mentioning by comparison.

 

The Xbox One won't even be on the market in 2015. It fails in absolutely every way imaginable that a product could fail, and it's completely illegal in a growing number of countries.

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Even if [the 5.5” iPhone exists], it doesn’t deserve to.
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post #50 of 69
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Originally Posted by Victory2013 View Post

It is time to set the record straight about how Apple reports its product numbers.

It seems that apple fans are under the false impression that when Apple reports its sales numbers that it means those products are in the end customers hands, that is outright FALSE!

Just like Samsung, Motorola, HTC, BlackBerry, Nokia, ect. Apple has product in the channel inventory that is counted as sold for their quarterly accounting numbers that Apple reports.

I am including a link to an article that explains how Apple really reports its sales number and in the end Apple is no different than Samsung or any other company in how it is reporting its sales numbers.

Example if Apple reports 37 million units sold that does not mean there are 37 million units in purses, pockets and brief cases. There is channel inventory just like other companies so there can effectively be 11 million units that are sitting in inventory still unsold to an end user, i.e. a person on the street but are still counted as sold by Apple.

This is being posted solely to set the record straight about the myth of apples sold numbers are to the final end user.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:rG3F6eFX_AsJ:money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/gigaom/articles/2013_05_09_what_apple_really_means_when_it_says_it_has_sold_a_product.html+&cd=13&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Blah blah blah. Only Apple reports numbers. They also give an indication on inventory as well.
post #51 of 69
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

 

What's confusing is why I can't attach an iTunes Library to the network and stream directly from an AirPort device instead of being forced to have a computer turned on and iTunes open. What's confusing is splitting up the store into three icons and compressing your actual library into one.

 

 

I agree to this. But putting a HD on the Apple TV would be a mistake, unless its aim at being a PvR.

 

Itune in the could

In a sense it did improved with icloud, if you bought you're music, TV, movies on itunes then there is no need to setup a itunes server, you can just stream from the cloud. The problem with that would be children that watch the same thing over and over again. In that case you still need to feed from a local drive, unless you have unlimited bandwigth. 

 

Drawback of itunes in the cloud:

Another thing I would like to see is a way to turn in DvD's or BR into itunes. That would really help to get rid of the need for a itune server for old movies

 

Where to put an local itunes server:  Time capsuled

post #52 of 69
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Who was the idiot at AI who chose to write this, without mention that the question Kara Swisher asked Cook "is there a grand vision?" Come on, people. Dodgy reporting.

Dumb question from her. She got the answer the question deserved.

post #53 of 69
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Who was the idiot at AI who chose to write this, without mention that the question Kara Swisher asked Cook "is there a grand vision?" Come on, people. Dodgy reporting.

Don't be so harsh! I think it was a solid question¡ I just had no idea All Things D had a contest that allowed a winner from a journalism club to ask CEOs questions on stage. I'm sure she's the most popular girl in her middle school today.

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post #54 of 69

The thing to watch for at the WWDC is a Apple TV or an Apple TV App store. This could be precursor to a move on the hardware side.

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For me a huge problem with the ATV is that channels like UTube don't show closed captions -- you have very little options with the ATV version. If you go to the browser version you have lots of options. Netflix is also sadly lacking in Captions.
post #56 of 69
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Really? Including your iTunes content, iTunes Match, and iPhoto?
Stop being the definition of a fanboy. iTunes content- yes- it's called plex. It not only gets iTunes content, but all other content and puts it in one place. Even if you have gibberish for metadata, it cleans it up, automatically gets art, info, Etc. Incredibly useful.
iTunes Match and iPhoto- no. Although if you want more than 1,000 pictures- you could put tens of thousands on it with the attached storage capacity.
But pandora, amazon, spotify, BBC, and dozens of other useful apps. Yes
Headphone jack on remote control- Yes.
Works as a cable box for two major cable companies- Yes.
Universal Search via all apps (best feature IMO)- Yes.
There is no question which is more feature-rich- by a mile. I own 3 ATV3s and no Rokus but I also don't live with my head in the sand (or any other word you'd like to use instead of sand).
Edited by Andysol - 5/29/13 at 1:04pm

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Time Capsule 5, (3) AirPort Express 2, (2) Apple TV 3

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Time Capsule 5, (3) AirPort Express 2, (2) Apple TV 3

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post #57 of 69
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For me a huge problem with the ATV is that channels like UTube don't show closed captions -- you have very little options with the ATV version. If you go to the browser version you have lots of options. Netflix is also sadly lacking in Captions.

I played Arrested Development S04 on Sunday and had to disable subtitles from the Apple TV settings to turn them off. I think I saw method within the Netflix app but I'm not certain. I'm not sure how these differ from CC. I can check later if you'd like.

I did think to myself "what an annoying umber of steps to access is setting."
Edited by SolipsismX - 5/29/13 at 1:15pm

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post #58 of 69
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Icahn check later if you'd like.

I did think to myself "what an annoying umber of steps to access is setting."

Somebody is name-dropping. 1smile.gif
post #59 of 69
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

March 19, 2013.
Which was a fantastic update. HBO Mirroring Finally! One of the most requested features of ATV.

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post #60 of 69
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The thing to watch for at the WWDC is a Apple TV or an Apple TV App store. This could be precursor to a move on the hardware side.
Good point herb. It'd be the perfect time to bring it up too. iOS, OSX, and iOS for Apple TV. That'd be all the software and what a huge bomb to drop. Now I'm more anxious.

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post #61 of 69
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Somebody is name-dropping. 1smile.gif

Lol. I had to look up the name. For someone worth $20 billion and has his hands in companies I'm familiar with in surprised I had never heard of him.

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post #62 of 69
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I played Arrested Development S04 on Sunday and had to disable subtitles from the Apple TV settings to turn them off. I think I saw method within the Netflix app but I'm not certain. I'm not sure how these differ from CC. I can check later if you'd like.

I did think to myself "what an annoying umber of steps to access is setting."

I prefer the Netflix CC over how the TV does it. It's less intrusive.
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post #63 of 69
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I did think to myself "what an annoying umber of steps to access is setting."

 

Where I work the sets all have a single button for CC on or off. Doing the same thing with ATV is... somewhat less convenient. My wife and I were watching some iTunes content on the ATC the other night and wanted to turn on captioning for a second because one of the characters mumbled a line and we wanted to know what he said. We were blown away by what a hassle it is.

 

There are apparently some drawbacks to the two-button remote approach! :)

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We were blown away by what a hassle it is.

A huge pain! A long hold on a button that brings up several items during playback, which includes a toggle button doesn't seem too intrusive to me.
Edited by SolipsismX - 5/29/13 at 3:45pm

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post #65 of 69
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A hug pain! A long hold on a button that brings up several items during playback, which includes a toggle button doesn't seem too intrusive to me.

Don't hold the hug so long and it won't be a pain.
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post #66 of 69
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A huge pain! A long hold on a button that brings up several items during playback, which includes a toggle button doesn't seem too intrusive to me.

 

Long hold on the what now? We went up and down through layers and layers of menus. Are you saying there's another way?

 

 

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Don't hold the hug so long and it won't be a pain.

 

LOL! Whoops...

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Long hold on the what now? We went up and down through layers and layers of menus. Are you saying there's another way?

On one of the available buttons. I don't care what they choose so long as it makes commonly changed settings easier to access.

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post #68 of 69
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Originally Posted by herbapou View Post

The thing to watch for at the WWDC is a Apple TV or an Apple TV App store. This could be precursor to a move on the hardware side.
An Apple TV App Store makes sense to me. One reason to put sales numbers out there would be to motivate the developer community.
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Good

Good point herb. It'd be the perfect time to bring it up too. iOS, OSX, and iOS for Apple TV. That'd be all the software and what a huge bomb to drop. Now I'm more anxious.

 

omg I made a good point at last. Can I frame this?

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