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post #121 of 134
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Did a reseller, carrier or anyone else pay for them? Then they were sold. It's really simple.

 

Did they get their money back when they returned them? Then they were shipped. It really is simple.

post #122 of 134
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Did they get their money back when they returned them? Then they were shipped. It really is simple.


"So the fifty or so S4's in a cupboard at work are sold or shipped?"

post #123 of 134
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I don't think there's anything to explain there. His statement speaks for itself, but it doesn't contradict anything I said.

You said that battery life will improve as long as the screen and the battery grow wider together. He suggested that using a wider display (obviously in a wider body) would penalize battery life. Perhaps he was implying that a larger device would come with the same battery capacity as the current iphone.

post #124 of 134
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...you might consider that as a battery increases in size it increases in volume but as screens get larger they effectively increase only in surface area: one increases in 3 dimensions, the other only in 2.

If you make the battery wider but not thicker, you increase the battery size in only two dimensions as well.

post #125 of 134
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Did they get their money back when they returned them? Then they were shipped. It really is simple.

 

First off, everyone is using the wrong terms.  Just plain "sold" and "shipped" are almost always the same thing in articles... because both refer mostly to retailers.  

 

What some of you really mean to talk about, are "sell-through" (sold to end users) versus "sell-in" (sold to retailers).   At the least, please specify "end user sales" to be clear, if that's what you're referring to.

 

 

See above.  Sold or shipped to the retailer = usually same thing.   However, they have not been sold through to an end user.

 
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Interestingly, both Apple and Samsung count a shipment as a sale.  (Apple at the point of shipment, Samsung when it arrives.)  That's the revenue and numbers that they brag about.  Both say they account for returns separately in their financials.

 

On the other hand, RIM's public filing says that they don't count a device that's been shipped, unless they are also pretty positive that it won't be returned and that they will see revenue for it... plus they even reduce the revenue by any promotions.  So they seem the most forthright of all in their reporting.

post #126 of 134
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How does that fit in with phones like these?

 

573 models larger than 4.2"

 

3638 models smaller than 4.2"

I see lots of phones like the Nokia Lumia (Windows) phones in the list of 3768 phones smaller than 4.2",  What point are you trying to make with that link that is relevant to Samsung moving to smaller screens?  How many new (not rebranded/recolored) Samsung Android phones announced in the last six months have screens smaller than 4.2" inches?  That should tell us more about their direction with screen size.

post #127 of 134
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How does that fit in with phones like these?

573 models larger than 4.2"

3638 models smaller than 4.2"

 

What was your search criteria?   Was it for all smartphones ever made?

 

I got, for all smartphones... currently available... ~300 over 4.2", versus ~750 for smaller.  That means 40% were the larger screen.

 

For all Android smartphones... currently available, it was 280 to 580.  That's 50% larger screen.   If you chose 4" instead, it jumps to 75% being that size or larger.

post #128 of 134
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The fact that Samsung had to bring out a Galaxy S4 Mini shows that people felt the S4 was too large. 

 

If that was true, Samsung would've made an equivalent of the S4 with a smaller screen.

 

But they didn't.  Samsung is simply doing what they've done every year since early 2011... sell a phone with lower specs and price that they call the "Mini".


That's why this article isn't news at all.  The author either didn't know about this history, or ignored it.

post #129 of 134
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I see lots of phones like the Nokia Lumia (Windows) phones in the list of 3768 phones smaller than 4.2",  What point are you trying to make with that link that is relevant to Samsung moving to smaller screens?  How many new (not rebranded/recolored) Samsung Android phones announced in the last six months have screens smaller than 4.2" inches?  That should tell us more about their direction with screen size.

It was the category above the top selling smartphone, the 4" iPhone.

Too bad there are no specific numbers for which Android phones are making up the hundreds of millions being sold.

It would stop us going round in circles.
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post #130 of 134
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I see lots of phones like the Nokia Lumia (Windows) phones in the list of 3768 phones smaller than 4.2",  What point are you trying to make with that link that is relevant to Samsung moving to smaller screens?  How many new (not rebranded/recolored) Samsung Android phones announced in the last six months have screens smaller than 4.2" inches?  That should tell us more about their direction with screen size.

It was the category above the top selling smartphone, the 4" iPhone.

Too bad there are no specific numbers for which Android phones are making up the hundreds of millions being sold.

It would stop us going round in circles.
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post #131 of 134
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It was the category above the top selling smartphone, the 4" iPhone.

Too bad there are no specific numbers for which Android phones are making up the hundreds of millions being sold.

It would stop us going round in circles.

It's completely conceivable that 3.5" display iPhones outsell the 4" ones. Without numbers we don't know, but does it matter to the guy buying one?
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post #132 of 134
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Originally Posted by KDarling View Post

If that was true, Samsung would've made an equivalent of the S4 with a smaller screen.

The battery is smaller so they have to make it work to that size limit. According to Samsung:

""We want to give people more choices with the Galaxy S4 mini - a similar look and feel to the Galaxy S4 but for more compact and practical usage," Samsung IT and mobile communication division head JK Shin said."

http://news.sky.com/story/1097368/samsung-keeps-pressure-on-apple-with-mini-s4

So basically, the S4 is bulky and impractical. The usage is almost identical, same data on screen, one just scaled up:



The S4 has a lower spec but that's not important because the discussion has always been about the benefit of the larger screen. It's useful if you use the larger screen for something other than just scaling everything up.
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Samsung is simply doing what they've done every year since early 2011... sell a phone with lower specs and price that they call the "Mini".

Not since 2011. They didn't have an S2 Mini. They had an S2 Plus (likely why that rubbish came out about the iPhone Plus), which was the same size as the S2 and an S2 HD that was slightly larger than the main model. They only started doing the Mini series after the iPhone 5. The first Mini model was launched in October/November 2012.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/oct/10/samsung-launch-galaxy-s3-smartphone

""There's a lot of demand for a 4in screen device in Europe. Some call it an entry-level device, but we call it 'mini.'," said JK Shin"

They have to call it Mini to differentiate it from their flagship model just like they had to use HD or Plus with the S2. It's partly true what you're saying that they'd try to pack as much into the S4 Mini if they intended to be moving towards smaller devices but it's also partly true that they're doing this as a response to Apple's choices in the market. They can call them whatever they like, calling it 'Mini' is not an insult until they sell more of them than Apple. Samsung has shown that they can't even outsell Apple's flagship models despite being cheaper, in more markets, with more options, with more marketing, using devious marketing tactics, running a more open OS.
post #133 of 134
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Originally Posted by Marvin View Post

""We want to give people more choices with the Galaxy S4 mini - a similar look and feel to the Galaxy S4 but for more compact and practical usage," Samsung IT and mobile communication division head JK Shin said."

So basically, the S4 is bulky and impractical. The usage is almost identical, same data on screen, one just scaled up:

 

*grin*  Good eye.  Yes, that is funny that they said "more compact and practical".   Gotta love marketing.

 

Just like Apple claiming that no one would buy larger phones, or smaller tablets.  And that the 3.5" screen was ideal.

 

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The S4 has a lower spec but that's not important because the discussion has always been about the benefit of the larger screen.

 

On the contrary, the whole point is that posters often claim that the only reason some people get the larger screen, is because there's no equivalent device in a smaller format.  Heck, they could be right.

 

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Not since 2011. They didn't have an S2 Mini. ... They only started doing the Mini series after the iPhone 5. The first Mini model was launched in October/November 2012.

 

The first Galaxy Mini was announced January 2011.

 

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_mini_s5570-3725.php

post #134 of 134
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Originally Posted by KDarling View Post

Just like Apple claiming that no one would buy larger phones, or smaller tablets.  And that the 3.5" screen was ideal.

I don't remember Apple saying no one would buy larger phones. Steve said at the antenna event:

"making a phone so big "you can't get your hand around it" helps, but "no one's going to buy that""

http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/jobs-no-ones-going-to-buy-a-big-phone/

That sounds like you've taken it out of context, especially considering the S3 still gets the death grip ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt1xdhnE-kc ) so clearly not big enough that you can't get your hand round it. So that sort of leaves phablets which we know that very few people are buying.

Apple also hasn't gone back to 3.5" phones nor have they made a horrible form factor 7" 16:9 tablet so it's not as if they couldn't decide for themselves what was best. The 3.5" size still is ideal, especially in terms of width. All Apple did with the iPhone 5 was maximize the height, which for some people does make it less than ideal but it was the right compromise to make to fit more content on screen. A further compromise in size couldn't fit more on screen because developers would have to code differently for each model.
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On the contrary, the whole point is that posters often claim that the only reason some people get the larger screen, is because there's no equivalent device in a smaller format.  Heck, they could be right.

It's also to do with the marketing around the flagship model. A lot of people won't even be aware that an S4 Mini exists now.
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The first Galaxy Mini was announced January 2011.

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_mini_s5570-3725.php

Oh, I thought you meant the S series. The Galaxy Mini wasn't the Galaxy S Mini but the next revision of the Galaxy 5. It's all on Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy

They make a hell of a lot of models under the same brand.
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