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I love the mock journalism here at AI. What a misleading headline! Samsung is doing the right thing by differentiating its products and addressing multiple segments with different sized screens. Everybody wants options. Tim Cook said that customers pay Apple to make certain decisions for them. Sure, but I'm not an Apple customer because I want Apple to limit my options when it comes to basic things like screen sizes. Especially from a company that was the first to market a 17" laptop before anyone else, and first to mainstream a 30" display. I expect Apple to lead here, and it should have been Apple that was first to offer a larger screen size - not its competitors. What a missed opportunity.

 

You see, Mr. Cook, there are 20-somethings. Then there are 30-somethings. Then there are those of us who are 40-somethings who would like a larger screen so that we can actually read it.

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Well you should look up "irony" then because while you are spending your time criticising Dilger for twisting the facts around, you carefully leave out some things yourself in your criticism of him. You conveniently forget to mention the Wicks quotes (all duly referenced and backed up) that support Dilgers main contention, in an article from another source that argues the exact same thing.  

I didn't conveniently forget it, I just didn't mention it because I no more believe Wicks' reasoning or comments than I do Cook's.  I did mention what I thought was the 'real reason', that being technical difficulty in making enough large screens of adequate resolution.

 

Dilger is disingenuously pissing into the wind.  Samsung is successfully selling a lot of large screened phones - 10 million S4s in under a month and over 3 million Note 2s in a month.  If you were Samsung, would you be acknowledging having got it wrong and be planning an about-face?.

 

I don't take what CEO's of Apple say as gospel.  Look at what Steve Jobs said about 7" tablets:

 

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During Apple’s 4th quarter conference call, Steve Jobs stepped in to field some questions and make a few points. His biggest? 7-inch tablets are “useless” and “dead on arrival” no doubt referring to the hundreds of Android tablets in the pipeline and specifically the Samsung Galaxy Tab which is slated to be released on all four US carriers next month.

Jobs said that the 7- inch size actually has half the surface area as an iPad and users won’t enjoy the experience in the same way.

 

As we all know, the release of the iPad mini has been such a disaster, proving Job's was right and Samsung was wrong.

 

Tim Cook said that Amoled screens are awful:

 

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Apple CEO Tim Cook has stated that OLED (organic light-emitting diode) displays are awful.

 

Sure enough, a few minutes later Apple applies for a patent on a device with a curved Amoled screen.

 

Amoled displays, Large screen phones, 7" tablets and eye control are all completely awful ideas....up until the minute Apple makes a device incorporating one of these concepts, then it becomes a stroke of genius and the best thing since sliced bread.


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"The battery size of the s4 is 3x bigger than that on the iPhone. There's a lot of engineering invested on the iPhone, unlike the garbage that samsung sell" You make it sound like the Retina iPad pedro.
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No. We can agree that making a phone for el cheapos alongside a proper high-end phone is an OPTION, but "wise" depends on a lot more than the existence of said option in the hands of a bunch of idiots.

Why move at all, then? My stars.

you're talking price. I'm talking screen size. The 4" screen might be great for those with perfect vision, and ladies with small hands. The 4.5-4.75" screen might be the preference for many others. They might be identically priced.

Why move at all? To get the form factor that works best for me. By Tim Cook's own words, Apple is not interested, at least in the near term, in serving my need for a larger screen. In fact, the lightning connector actually made my decision lot easier - all accessories are already obsolete.

As much as I love Apple (iMac, iPods, Apple TV, iPad, iPhones), my stuff is supposed to serve me, not the other way around.

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Since honesty and integrity are demonstratively important to Daniel Eran Dilger he'll no doubt get rid of that incorrect comparison and insert the more accurate and current one from Mobile Geeks. I can't imagine he'd leave a flawed one up after being made aware of it. 1hmm.gif

 

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Honesty? Integrity? Daniel Eran Dilger? What??? Are you joking, right? 1biggrin.gif

 

Frankly, I find it offensive that GG would even use the words 'honesty' and 'integrity'.

post #46 of 134
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"What's so hard about making smaller high-end phones?" he asked, noting that Apple's iPhone 5 is "the only high-end smartphone smaller than 4.3-inches."iPhone 5 is "the only high-end smartphone smaller than 4.3-inches."

Because saying it once just isn't enough.

 

 

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There are some people that like a big display, but there's also a lot of people that want something that's just about right. I think 'just right' is important, and we're designing so we don't disappoint those people.

 

So, in other words, the screen size Apple has been using is "just about right" and Sammy is only now figuring it out.

 

Of course, Apple critics will now contend that Apple is behind Sammy by two generations now: firstly by not making a large, unwieldy iPhone, and secondly by not reducing it's size to be "just about right".

post #47 of 134
"Customers are clearly looking at the size," he said, "but they also look at things like 'do the photos show the proper color?' The white balance, the reflectivity, battery life, the longevity of the display."

What's the "reflectivity"? And why iPhone display would have better longevity? Does Tim really know what is he talking about? And average consumer does not even know what the heck the white balance is.

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post #48 of 134
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Amoled displays, Large screen phones, 7" tablets and eye control are all completely awful ideas....up until the minute Apple makes a device incorporating one of these concepts, then it becomes a stroke of genius and the best thing since sliced bread.

Shut up you ignorant.

 

Why are you vomiting this like if Apple release a tablet similar to the Nexus? They released a tablet with 35% (or more, much more) usable screen area. Do you know what that is? Steve's point of view is totally correct.

 

Amoled screens are bad, very bad when compared to those on the iPhone. Ignorant troll. The moment when they became better, they should be used.

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"Customers are clearly looking at the size," he said, "but they also look at things like 'do the photos show the proper color?' The white balance, the reflectivity, battery life, the longevity of the display."

What's the "reflectivity"? And why iPhone display would have better longevity? Does Tim really know what is he talking about? And average consumer does not even know what the heck the white balance is.

But they know you can't read on Samsung's screens outdoors.

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"The battery size of the s4 is 3x bigger than that on the iPhone. There's a lot of engineering invested on the iPhone, unlike the garbage that samsung sell" You make it sound like the Retina iPad pedro.

And the iPad was beautiful engineered and beats all tablets on battery life by a huge margin.

The s4 has a 3x bigger battery than the iPhone and loses on every single test with the screen on.

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Before we declare this a victory for the 4" screen, can we agree that it is wise to cover both segments of the market? I am hoping my switch to this POS Android OS is only temporary!

Did you consider that what makes it a POS is that it is not optimized for usage. Cook subtly noted that Apple is the only one that reports sales to consumers in his most recent interview, so the shift away from huge screens may be because the vocal crowd wanting them may really be a small minority that will only cause a drag on profitability. They may have found out the hard way what Apple already knew and had decided not to invest in that direction. I think the unfettered customization will fade as well.  If this was really what was important to people there is no way they would have moved from MySpace which offered this to FaceBook which controls the experience.  They also spend far more time there than they ever did on MySpace.  The same hold true for iOS

post #52 of 134
Samsung had the S3, the smaller screened S3 mini, and the larger screened Note II. Now they have the S4, S4 mini, and the rumored Note III. How is this a shift away from larger screens? Seems like they are just continuing to update their product line.

And the mini's 4.3" screen size is still larger than the iPhone 5's 4".

Well - I guess AI got what they wanted. They post a BS headline and we all come here to whine and trade jabs while AI just enjoys the traffic it generates.
Edited by runbuh - 5/30/13 at 9:47am
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Originally Posted by pedromartins View Post

But they know you can't read on Samsung's screens outdoors.

This is a myth. My GS4 display looks perfect outdoors - in shade, not in direct sunlight of cource. But LCD is not any better in direct sunlight.

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post #54 of 134
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Because he wants a phone that's thin and light.

 

The battery size of the s4 is 3x bigger than that on the iPhone. There's a lot of engineering invested on the iPhone, unlike the garbage that samsung sells.

 

Are people complaining about the thickness or weight of large-screen phones? I thought the gripes had more to do with width and issues with one-handed operation.

 

Isn't it more likely that samsung made the battery larger to accommodate the larger and more power-hungry screen, instead of the other way around as the post I was referring to suggested?


Edited by d4NjvRzf - 5/30/13 at 9:46am
post #55 of 134
"What's so hard about making smaller high-end phones?" he asked, noting that Apple's iPhone 5 is "the only high-end smartphone smaller than 4.3-inches."

Easy, it's hard to pack all the power and battery life the iPhone 5 has into that small of a form factor, which is they "Samsung" can't seem to make one.

Big is easy to slap together. Small is hard.
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post #57 of 134
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Since honesty and integrity are demonstratively important to Daniel Eran Dilger he'll no doubt get rid of that incorrect comparison and insert the more accurate and current one from Mobile Geeks. I can't imagine he'd leave a flawed one up after being made aware of it. 1hmm.gif

 

"Gator guy" you love to invent conspiracies and create explanations to draw attention away from reality so as to hijack the conversation to be all about you and your opinions. I don't ever see you contributing something worthwhile, so I don't read your posts. You are an unpleasant noise I filter out.

 

If you notice some error, report it via email and somebody will investigate and correct the minor typo you're making a big deal about, if needed. 

post #58 of 134
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As the headline is written, it is clearly incorrect. They are not reducing the size of their large screen phones. They are simply continuing to offer smaller sizes. And notice I use the word "continuing" because this is nothing new. And of course, these are consider low end Samsung phones.

 

Of course, a headline that reads "Samsung continues to offer low end phones with bigger screens than the iPhone" probably would not get pass the editors at an Apple fan boy site.

 

-kpluck

 

 

What about this headline : "Galaxy S3 explode" ?

 

 

 

http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/1f5hoq/my_samsung_galaxy_s3_exploded_last_night_while_i/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Edited by umrk_lab - 5/30/13 at 11:25am
post #59 of 134
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Originally Posted by pedromartins View Post

Shut up you ignorant.

 

Why are you vomiting this like if Apple release a tablet similar to the Nexus? They released a tablet with 35% (or more, much more) usable screen area. Do you know what that is? Steve's point of view is totally correct.

 

Amoled screens are bad, very bad when compared to those on the iPhone. Ignorant troll. The moment when they became better, they should be used.


How very civil of you.  Enjoy your ignorance.

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Originally Posted by AZREOSpecialist View Post

I love the mock journalism here at AI. What a misleading headline! Samsung is doing the right thing by differentiating its products and addressing multiple segments with different sized screens. Everybody wants options. Tim Cook said that customers pay Apple to make certain decisions for them. Sure, but I'm not an Apple customer because I want Apple to limit my options when it comes to basic things like screen sizes. Especially from a company that was the first to market a 17" laptop before anyone else, and first to mainstream a 30" display. I expect Apple to lead here, and it should have been Apple that was first to offer a larger screen size - not its competitors. What a missed opportunity.

 

You see, Mr. Cook, there are 20-somethings. Then there are 30-somethings. Then there are those of us who are 40-somethings who would like a larger screen so that we can actually read it.

 

It's clearly marked "EDITORIAL" why don't you go find out what that means, although "mock journalism" is already a fairly apt definition.

 

btw it's not the size of the screen, it's the size of the text on the screen which affects readability.

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"What's so hard about making smaller high-end phones?" he asked, noting that Apple's iPhone 5 is "the only high-end smartphone smaller than 4.3-inches."

Easy, it's hard to pack all the power and battery life the iPhone 5 has into that small of a form factor, which is they "Samsung" can't seem to make one.

Big is easy to slap together. Small is hard.
iOS device has better battery life over Android device for a reason. iOS has less features, less customization, less multitasking. As result, the battery life comes to an iPhone user at the cost. Basic example: Safari can't use plugins, and it has to refresh when you switch between tabs.

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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

Google's influence at Motorola is also resulting in a shift from "bigger is better" to simply "better is better," according to a report by Sascha Segan of PC Mag.

 

Samsung:

How can we trick consumers into thinking that our Galaxy phones are actually better than iPhone in any way?  AHA!  We'll make them really big.  Apple would never do that because it would be a hideous pain for their developers to update all those pixel-perfect apps.  But we don't care about quality.  Android apps are dog butt ugly already.  Everyone already knows that.  Let's make oversized Galaxies!  Sucker born every minute!

 

Motorola:

Dang.  There's no way we can compete against Apple.  Or even Samsung.  Oh well.  Life in the big city.  But how are we going to earn back that $12.5 billion that Google paid for us?  AHA!  We'll just kind of stick with Apple's wildly successful iPhone form factor, and one-up Samsung by shipping a smaller phone.  They've left us (and Apple) a "size umbrella."  We'll sneak in and offer pocket-sized phones like Apple does.  That's the ticket!

 

Samsung:

Uh oh.  Our industrial spies tell us that Motorola is working on a smaller Android phone.  We'd better copy that to keep Motorola in the red.  We'll call it the "Galaxy Mini."  It will be an all-new, pocket-sized Galaxy.  It will help us keep Motorola out of the picture, and ensure that we remain the only profitable Android handset maker.  What a plan!


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Waaaa, somebody said something negative about google and their 12+ billion dollar mistake motorola.

Kudos DED for another great article. It sure got the trolls' panties quite twisted. Their whining has been very entertaining (there're too many good ones to bother quoting them). You are truly gifted!

I can picture them now in their google offices, furiously g-chatting each other: "OMG guyz, I can't believe what DED just said!!"

   

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post #64 of 134
In another word, they made a mistake. Next...
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And the iPad was beautiful engineered and beats all tablets on battery life by a huge margin.

The s4 has a 3x bigger battery than the iPhone and loses on every single test with the screen on.

 

Actually the S4's battery is only 1.8 times larger than the iPhone's.  The iPhone 5 has superior battery life for web browsing but not for talk time or for creating a WiFi hotspot.

 

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6914/samsung-galaxy-s-4-review/2

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Originally Posted by Splash-reverse View Post
In another word, they made a mistake. Next...


Sort of a leviathan "mistake", and not just as a pun about the fact that this relates to size.

 

Provided this IS a trend, it's backpedaling to a level that makes Intel's backpedaling on clock speeds look like a silent fart on stage.

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post #67 of 134

Are any of you people actually employed?

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What about this headline : "Galaxy S3 explode" ?

 

iPhone 4 explodes, burns man’s hand

http://bgr.com/2011/02/17/iphone-4-explodes-burns-mans-hand-video/

 

Ever See An Exploding iPhone? I Have Now

http://www.runaroundtech.com/2012/04/09/every-see-an-exploding-iphone-i-have-now/

 

iPhone battery explodes mid-hardware unlock

http://www.iphonebuzz.com/iphone-battery-explodes-mid-hardware-unlock-041469.php

 

4-year-old daughter’s iPhone exploded

http://zagossip.com/2013/04/14/4-year-old-daughters-iphone-exploded/

 

More battery issues for Apple as iPhone explodes

http://www.thetechherald.com/articles/More-battery-issues-for-Apple-as-iPhone-explodes


Another iPhone Exploded in Brazil: No Reaction from Apple

http://www.coldscoop.com/2011/12/01/another-iphone-exploded-in-brazil-no-reaction-from-apple/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by majjo View Post
Since the trend is to increase screen size generation to generation, how is it backpedaling at all?

 

How in the world… 


Originally Posted by MacRulez View Post
iPhone 4 explodes, burns man’s hand

http://bgr.com/2011/02/17/iphone-4-explodes-burns-mans-hand-video/

 

Which makes it a non-issue for both sides, given that they're sabotage.

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What is the article about… 😩

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I love the mock journalism here at AI. What a misleading headline! Samsung is doing the right thing by differentiating its products and addressing multiple segments with different sized screens. Everybody wants options. Tim Cook said that customers pay Apple to make certain decisions for them. Sure, but I'm not an Apple customer because I want Apple to limit my options when it comes to basic things like screen sizes. Especially from a company that was the first to market a 17" laptop before anyone else, and first to mainstream a 30" display. I expect Apple to lead here, and it should have been Apple that was first to offer a larger screen size - not its competitors. What a missed opportunity.

 

You see, Mr. Cook, there are 20-somethings. Then there are 30-somethings. Then there are those of us who are 40-somethings who would like a larger screen so that we can actually read it.

They offer a larger screen size now, the superior in area LTE iPad mini.

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Oh and what about the antenna issues on the 4S. Want me to keep going.

 

That was the 4.

 

Try and get it right.

 

No, I don't want you to keep going.

 

Do you know what is most pathetic.

 

vizionx1208, with the exploded S3 battery seems almost apologetic over something that wasn't their fault, knowing full well that ANY criticism of Android or Samsung usually results in a torrent of abuse, whereas with Apple products there's baying for blood and it doesn't take long to get splashed across the front pages of mainstream media.

 

It must be upsetting for Samsung that NO-ONE CARES.

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Samsung had the S3, the smaller screened S3 mini, and the larger screened Note II. Now they have the S4, S4 mini, and the rumored Note III. How is this a shift away from larger screens? Seems like they are just continuing to update their product line.

And the mini's 4.3" screen size is still larger than the iPhone 5's 4".

Well - I guess AI got what they wanted. They post a BS headline and we all come here to whine and trade jabs while AI just enjoys the traffic it generates.

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So let me get this straight:

S3 mini to S4 mini increased screen size from 4" to 4.3"

S3 to S4
increased screen size from 4.8" to 5"

Note 2 to Note 3
increased screen size from 5.5" to 5.9"

Yet this indicates that they're moving away from giant screens?

May I have some of what you're smoking please?

The Galaxy S and the Galaxy Note are just two of the models Samsung makes.

Now think about the other 50 models Samsung makes and see what the average size is.
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The Galaxy S and the Galaxy Note are just two of the models Samsung makes.

Now think about the other 50 models Samsung makes and see what the average size is.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make with your comment.

 

The article was about Samsung backing away from larger screens based on the recent announcement of the S4 mini with the 4.3" screen.  That's only one data point.  You reference potentially more data points, but what they reflect is a broad (too broad?) product line of newer/older technology, faster/slower processors, larger/smaller screens, etc.  Not a specific direction, just a ton of fragmentation.

 

In the last six months, what truly new phones has Samsung introduced that have screens smaller than 4.3"?  I don't track Samsung phones, so I'm only aware of the S4, S4 mini, S4 zoom (rumor), S4 active (rumor), and Note III.  None of them have a screen size smaller than 4.3".  Even if they introduce an Android phone with a 3" screen, it still proves nothing about their long term direction.  Their past lineup included smaller and larger screens, their current lineup includes smaller and larger screens, therefore a single larger or smaller screen data point proves nothing by itself.  We'll have to watch the long term.

 

What are folks going to say about this supposed trend towards smaller screens if/when the S4 active or Note III is introduced?  "Samsung fails at small screen devices and flip/flops back to large screen devices" (that's what AI will say), or the more realistic "Samsung continues to push out every type of Android phone they can, to hell with fragmentation"?

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I'm not sure what point you are trying to make with your comment.

 

The article was about Samsung backing away from larger screens based on the recent announcement of the S4 mini with the 4.3" screen.  That's only one data point.  You reference potentially more data points, but what they reflect is a broad (too broad?) product line of newer/older technology, faster/slower processors, larger/smaller screens, etc.  Not a specific direction, just a ton of fragmentation.

 

In the last six months, what truly new phones has Samsung introduced that have screens smaller than 4.3"?  I don't track Samsung phones, so I'm only aware of the S4, S4 mini, S4 zoom (rumor), S4 active (rumor), and Note III.  None of them have a screen size smaller than 4.3".  Even if they introduce an Android phone with a 3" screen, it still proves nothing about their long term direction.  Their past lineup included smaller and larger screens, their current lineup includes smaller and larger screens, therefore a single larger or smaller screen data point proves nothing by itself.  We'll have to watch the long term.

 

What are folks going to say about this supposed trend towards smaller screens if/when the S4 active or Note III is introduced?  "Samsung fails at small screen devices and flip/flops back to large screen devices" (that's what AI will say), or the more realistic "Samsung continues to push out every type of Android phone they can, to hell with fragmentation"?

 

The thing is there is no specific data from Samsung stating x% of the phones we sell ship are larger than y", making the argument that Apple needs to compete with a larger screen a fallacious one, usually biased by the misconception that ALL the phones that Samsung (and others) sell ship are high end and have large screens.

 

What percentage of Samsung's sales shipments are Galaxy S4's?

 

As Samsung does not release this data there is no way of knowing, so the whole "iPhones need larger screens" argument is spurious, based on guesswork and biased by largely refusing to recognise low end sales shipments.

 

174 Galaxy models!

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What percentage of Samsung's sales shipments are Galaxy S4's?

As Samsung does not release this data there is no way of knowing, so the whole "iPhones need larger screens" argument is spurious, based on guesswork and biased by largely refusing to recognise low end sales shipments.

174 Galaxy models!

Perhaps Apple misjudged the market for the new iP5 with a larger 4" display. No way to know for certain how iP5 and last-gen 3.5" iPhone 4/4S sales compare since Apple doesn't release that data. It's obvious Apple sells a huge number of iPhones but what percentage are iP5's?

If only Apple would publish the numbers for the old model entry-level versions of the iPhone with that smaller screen there would be less guesswork at how attractive the larger display is to iPhone buyers, right Hill60?
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Perhaps Apple misjudged the market for the new iP5 with a larger 4" display. No way to know for certain how iP5 and last-gen 3.5" iPhone 4/4S sales compare since Apple doesn't release that data. If only Apple would publish the numbers for the old model entry-level versions of the iPhone with that smaller screen there would be less guesswork at how attractive the larger display is to iPhone buyers, right Hill60?

 

Even for you, who will grasp at any straw to spin propaganda, that analogy is so weak as to not even address the issue. The only commonalities between Apple's phone lineup vs. Samsung's, ignoring all the IP Samsung stole from Apple, is that they are phones. That's where the similarities end, and that's where your analogy falls off the cliff.

 

You seem awfully desperate these days. Have they threatened to cut off your funding if they don't start to see results?

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Android phones went to big screens to camouflage big batteries. It also, as you point out, allows them to avoid the engineering effort to reduce the space required for other components. Lazy engineering all around, including poor power management. Let's not pretend it had anything to do with "offering what consumers wanted".

So the bigger screen is to make room for the bigger battery does not well........require a bigger battery? Your logic is not sound......

The bigger screen is going to consume more power.

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yep...i have said it before.....they post this stuff to rile up the membership and increase the web traffic to the site. Then hope for some ad hits while you're here too.....


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The thing is there is no specific data from Samsung stating x% of the phones we sell ship are larger than y", making the argument that Apple needs to compete with a larger screen a fallacious one, usually biased by the misconception that ALL the phones that Samsung (and others) sell ship are high end and have large screens.

 

1) Drop the sales/shipment thing if you want to be taken seriously.   Apple also reports shipments as sales, and there have been plenty of quarters when their end user sales are millions less than their reported sales (and vice versa).  

 

The only time that sales/shipment differences have any meaning is if a product is a total dud at the outset and shipments have to be returned.  Otherwise every company... including Apple... goes through an initial inventory fill with great sales the first few days, and lowered sales after that. 

 

For example, check out why China iPhone revenue was down $2.2 billion dollars between quarters last year.  According to Cook, it was due to unsold-to-end-user units from the previous quarter sales that were just filling up retailer inventories.  Of course, they had bragged about all those (retailer) sales during that previous quarter.  That's what companies do.

 

For both companies, this difference between "sales/shipments" to retailers and sales to end users  even out over time.  Otherwise, we'd see the sales drop off over quarters.

 

2) You're right that some people misconceive that all Samsung's sales are high end.  Likewise, there are many people who mistakenly go the other way and think they're mostly low end.  Both mistaken notions ignore the middle.   Also, it's very common for articles to only include the latest Galaxy in the "high end" sales counts, which is also incorrect.  Not only do they leave out the Notes (which are very high end with their Wacom digitizers), but they ignore the earlier GS models that are still being sold.

 

I've been over this before, and it looks like easily 1/4 to 1/3 (or more) of Samsung's sales are high end devices.  

 

3) As for screen size, we can never know consumer desires exactly unless a manufacturer put out the exact same device, at the exact same price, in two different sizes.  However, we can look at the fact that Samsung's high end / large screen sales are pretty darned good.  

 

Another example.  Taking 1Q2013 UK figures  ( I added the screen sizes) ..

 

 

We see that just the top ten touchscreen sales for all phones (including Apple's) were:

So at least 39% of all smartphones sold in the UK that quarter were 4" or larger. (No doubt there are more that did not make the top ten, such as the Note).

 

Including the Note, we can guess that at least 20% of all UK sales were 4.3" or above.  And certainly if Apple had a larger screen, some sales would go into this category as well.

 

Is that a majority?  No way. Still, is that many sales a good enough submarket for Apple to go after?   That's the question.   


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