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Along with an expected CPU upgrade to Intel's Haswell silicon, KGI analyst Ming-Chi Kuo predicts Apple will introduce a slimmed down 13-inch Retina display MacBook Pro with a higher quality FaceTime camera at its upcoming Worldwide Developers Conference.

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In a report to investors, Kuo, who has in the past proved reliable in predicting Apple's product plans, says he expects minor changes to the MacBook Pro with Retina display and MacBook Air product lines will be a hardware highlight of WWDC 2013.

The analyst notes Apple's 13-inch Retina MacBook Pro will sport a thinner chassis as the company pushes toward a more portable form factor for its smallest high-end offering. In addition, the Pro models are expected to sport an improved FaceTime HD camera, which could move from a current resolution of 720p to 1080p, or "Full HD."

Apple's new Retina MacBook Pro models are expected to feature Intel's latest-generation Haswell processors, which offer more horsepower with lower power consumption, leading to longer battery life.

WWDC 2013 is scheduled to run from June 10 through 14 in San Francisco. Apple recently revealed that it will preview the forthcoming iterations of iOS and OS X at the conference, both of which are likely to be discussed during an opening keynote speech.
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The analyst predicts the 13-inch Retina MacBook Pro will sport a thinner chassis as Apple pushes toward a more portable form factor for its smallest high-end offering. In addition, the Pro models are expected to sport an improved FaceTime HD camera, which could move from a current resolution of 720p to 1080p, or "Full HD."
 

 

YAY! I really hope it gets true, the current one is a shame. I was the only one who was asking for an improved camera, but I guess if this happen to be true everybody will be praising it.

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I'm all for phasing out the older non-Retina Pros, but I really hope these models have a different way of dealing with battery replacement (other than having them being glued in).

 

I go through enough batteries that I am concerned about the ability to get them replaced for the lifetime (more than 4 years, typically) I own the product.


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Is Apple on the road to merge the Air and MBP to one ultra device? Sounds great!
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Please announce a new 15-inch too, Apple.

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This "analyst" appears to be speaking in utter horse shit. Apple pushes chassis design life cycles FAR longer than the MBP has been around. Haswell updates all around and a Retina panel on the Air make considerably more sense from an engineering, user experience and marketing standpoint.
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The air might get a re-design, the rMBPs, seriously doubt it.

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This "analyst" appears to be speaking in utter horse shit. Apple pushes chassis design life cycles FAR longer than the MBP has been around. Haswell updates all around and a Retina panel on the Air make considerably more sense from an engineering, user experience and marketing standpoint.
If they add retina to the air- what is the benefit to the rMBP?
People keep talking about retina for the air- I don't think we see it ever. I think it gets discontinued or they combine before that happens.

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Please announce a new 15-inch too, Apple.

Yes.  15" MBA retina or not and I'm in!

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This "analyst" appears to be speaking in utter horse shit. Apple pushes chassis design life cycles FAR longer than the MBP has been around. Haswell updates all around and a Retina panel on the Air make considerably more sense from an engineering, user experience and marketing standpoint.
If they add retina to the air- what is the benefit to the rMBP?
People keep talking about retina for the air- I don't think we see it ever. I think it gets discontinued or they combine before that happens.

The processor;

16gb ram;

HOPEFUlly a 750m on the 13" and SLI 750m on the 15".

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I don't mind the normal pro not getting haswell but I'd love to know now, I was waiting to buy one in case it did get haswell but if it doesn't, tomorrow Mediamarkt will have 21% discount on everything and that's double the education discount.
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I'm all for phasing out the older non-Retina Pro's, but I really hope these models have a different way of dealing with battery replacement (other than having them being glued in).

I go through enough batteries that I am concerned about the ability to get them replaced for the lifetime (more than 4 years, typically) I own the product.

How often are you having your batteries replaced?

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I don't mind the normal pro not getting haswell but I'd love to know now, I was waiting to buy one in case it did get haswell but if it doesn't, tomorrow Mediamarkt will have 21% discount on everything and that's double the education discount.

Considering 1) these updates will be coming after Haswell is released, 2) Apple having a long history of using the latest Intel notebook-class chips, and 3) Apple wanting to use a CPU that uses a lot less power I think it's a safe bet that it will be Haswell. If not, what would they update to?

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No 11" MBA sale to me without an improved screen.
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If they add retina to the air- what is the benefit to the rMBP?
People keep talking about retina for the air- I don't think we see it ever. I think it gets discontinued or they combine before that happens.

¿Que? The MBP has plenty of features the MBA don't. There is no 15" MBA and there is no 11" MBP are the most obvious. Then you have processor, RAM, ports, battery life, GPU, etc. The MBPs are simply more capable and more powerful than the MBA. Did you have the same issue with the non-Retina MBPs against the MBAs?

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How often are you having your batteries replaced?

Probably not that often to even justify commenting on. I've seen no indication that this glue creates any real problem if you know what you are doing. It does however off Apple a real mechanical improvement to their machines that result in a more rugged machine.
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How often are you having your batteries replaced?

I think batteries are a concern. I have a mid-2007 MBP which I'm on my third battery, not counting one that was replaced (I think) due to the Sony defective battery recall. The dead batteries started pillowing pretty quickly, so you really want to get it replaced within a few days of dying, if you can't pre-empt it by getting it before it goes. On at least one, I didn't have a notice that it was dying, it just quit charging.
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How often are you having your batteries replaced?

 

 

Our personal average is 3-4 battery replacements before we typically move to a new computer (older machines end up sticking around for secondary uses (kids, kitchen/recipes/browsing, etc.). I realize this is a longer lifecycle than for some people, but these are good machines and I hate to throw them out just because their batteries are no longer up to snuff and when they can still be useful.

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I think batteries are a concern. I have a mid-2007 MBP which I'm on my third battery, not counting one that was replaced (I think) due to the Sony defective battery recall. The dead batteries started pillowing pretty quickly, so you really want to get it replaced within a few days of dying, if you can't pre-empt it by getting it before it goes. On at least one, I didn't have a notice that it was dying, it just quit charging.

I assume your 2007 model uses the older 300 charge batteries before it gets to 80%. That means it could happen every year for a normal user but I don't think Apple moved to the built0in batteries until the 1000 cycle batteries.

This is my 2010 13' MBP battery. It's never been changed but after 3 years of use it has nearly 700 full cycles used and is at 80%. I tried to get Apple to replace it for free since they claim 1000 charges before it reaches 80% capacity but they wouldn't.



Still, I don't see this as an issue since it's not a defective battery and if I have to pay $129 every 3 or 2 years (lets say someone completely discharges their battery once per day every day for 2 years and has the same results as I do) I don't think the expense is a big deal. Certainly not big enough to warrant Apple killing the entire line so it can support 1) users who want multiple internal batteries, and 2) uses who want to save a couple dollars by replacing their own battery. It's clear that most users simply don't want to carry multiple batteries or every have battery problems they have to pay for with their notebooks.

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Is Apple on the road to merge the Air and MBP to one ultra device? Sounds great!

Not for a few years. The Air is good enough for most people.
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This "analyst" appears to be speaking in utter horse shit. Apple pushes chassis design life cycles FAR longer than the MBP has been around. Haswell updates all around and a Retina panel on the Air make considerably more sense from an engineering, user experience and marketing standpoint.

We'll see if he's full of shit in one week.
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If they add retina to the air- what is the benefit to the rMBP?
People keep talking about retina for the air- I don't think we see it ever. I think it gets discontinued or they combine before that happens.

Never? Interesting prediction. I'd bet money you're wrong on that prediction.
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No 11" MBA sale to me without an improved screen.

Ok.
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Why is everyone so Anti the old Macbook Pro? 

 

I bought last years model and I love mine. Some people need ethernet and an Optical drive. Apple would be  alienating a lot of people if they got rid of the 13 inch classic pro, because believe it or not a lot of people like having ports and an Optical drive. Schools especially need the 13 Inch Macbook pro, or Apple needs to upgrade it and rename it the Macbook again. 

 

Seeing as I was upgrading from a 2008 Plastic Macbook, the classic MB 13 inch was perfect. Optical drive, Upgradable RAM, Upgradable Harddrive and affordable. Both the air and the Pro retina are far too expesnive. There is no way that I could afford 8 GB of ram and a 750 GB Harddrive on either (I don't even think the SDD on the air goes up to 750 GB)

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If they add retina to the air- what is the benefit to the rMBP?
People keep talking about retina for the air- I don't think we see it ever. I think it gets discontinued or they combine before that happens.

It is ridiculous to say the the MBA won't ever get a retina display. Eventually ALL displays with be 'retina'. It is the future.
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Not upgrading the MBA to Haswell would be a mistake. Ultra-portability is closely linked in users' expectations for a long battery life. Current MBAs don't have very impressive battery life. That's why I prefer to stick with my iPad and a Bluetooth keyboard.
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The only thing that really seems bad about the Air (compared to the rest of the Apple's Line-up) is the screen.

 

I mean, it is not "bad", but compared to Apple's line-up and the rest of the competition? I see no reason for it. At least IPS...

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Why is everyone so Anti the old Macbook Pro? 

 

I bought last years model and I love mine. Some people need ethernet and an Optical drive. Apple would be  alienating a lot of people if they got rid of the 13 inch classic pro, because believe it or not a lot of people like having ports and an Optical drive. Schools especially need the 13 Inch Macbook pro, or Apple needs to upgrade it and rename it the Macbook again. 

 

Seeing as I was upgrading from a 2008 Plastic Macbook, the classic MB 13 inch was perfect. Optical drive, Upgradable RAM, Upgradable Harddrive and affordable. Both the air and the Pro retina are far too expesnive. There is no way that I could afford 8 GB of ram and a 750 GB Harddrive on either (I don't even think the SDD on the air goes up to 750 GB)

At the same price points, the air is much more capable and simply better as a Machine. (SSD, build quality, lighter and thinner, more resolution).

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Originally Posted by oldmacs View Post
Why is everyone so Anti the old Macbook Pro?

 

Because it's holding everyone back.


Some people need ethernet and an Optical drive. 

 

I think the biggest test of the rMBP is whether Ethernet returns on this second model. Now, granted, they're adding 802.11ac, so they could very probably put off judgement until the third revision, but if it doesn't come back, that will tell us how many people actually need Ethernet, particularly pros.


…a lot of people like having ports and an Optical drive.

 

The rMBP has ports (1rolleyes.gif) and "a lot of people" sure don't need an ODD. They're the minority.


Schools especially need the 13 Inch Macbook pro, or Apple needs to upgrade it and rename it the Macbook again. 

 

… Schools can buy the 13" Pro. They can also buy the 13" retina. Why, though do they "need" it? Air.

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Why is everyone so Anti the old Macbook Pro? 

I bought last years model and I love mine. Some people need ethernet and an Optical drive. Apple would be  alienating a lot of people if they got rid of the 13 inch classic pro, because believe it or not a lot of people like having ports and an Optical drive. Schools especially need the 13 Inch Macbook pro, or Apple needs to upgrade it and rename it the Macbook again. 

Seeing as I was upgrading from a 2008 Plastic Macbook, the classic MB 13 inch was perfect. Optical drive, Upgradable RAM, Upgradable Harddrive and affordable. Both the air and the Pro retina are far too expesnive. There is no way that I could afford 8 GB of ram and a 750 GB Harddrive on either (I don't even think the SDD on the air goes up to 750 GB)

I guess for similar reasons you seem to be "Anti" the RMBP. There are features you want that the RMBP doesn't have so you don't like it and the older MBPs have features you want that most people simply don't have a need for daily. I'm sure there were people that wanted a 3.5" floppy drive long after it was a good technology for sharing files.

There will always be people like you that are slow to change but if you find yourself in that position (we're all likely to be there at some point for some reason) you just have to deal with it. If they do remove the old MBPs from the lineup you'll just have to buy a refurb and keep that for years (clearly performance isn't an issue if you want an ODD), get an external ODD or move to a different OEM. That's all you can do because technology will not stop to accommodate the minority. The good news is the iPod Classic stayed around for a long time so perhaps you'll luck out. It's not like it takes much R&D to update the CPU on those machines.

I don't know of any school that have gone for the 13' MBP over the old MacBook, Mac mini, or iMac. I don't think Apple has ever done an education version of the MBP.

Where are you using Ethernet? Why is the TB-to-Ethernet or USB-to-Ethernet adapters not good enough? How often are you using an ODD? Why are you stilling using an ODD? Most people are wireless these days and only use an disk when playing a DVD or Blu-ray in their HEC. I still use Ethernet at home on my MBP (connected to my iMac directly) but I'll have no problem with using of those TB interfaces for it once I upgrade.
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Don't get me wrong, the Rmbp is an amazing computer and if I had enough money I would have a desktop with an optical drive and a retina Macbook Pro. 

 

I know quite a few schools that bought classic Macbook Pros this year (Classic) as there is a need for an Optical drive, ethernet, bigger harddrives and price. 

 

I have a Macbook so that I don't have to lug around adaptors and external cd drives. I am often sharing an internet connection to older Macs and there are places that still use ethernet. 

 

I don't know a single person who has been happy about the lack of Optical Disk drive on Macs.... I use mine all the time for reading Audio Cds, Burning DVDs, Burning CDs with Data, Backup, Watching DVDs ect. 

 

My point is why people want to kill this Mac? What is it doing- Its not Harming anyone. 3 of my friends bought the same Macbook as me last year (PC converts) as the retina Macbook is way too expensive for storage space. 

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I think the biggest test of the rMBP is whether Ethernet returns on this second model. Now, granted, they're adding 802.11ac, so they could very probably put off judgement until the third revision, but if it doesn't come back, that will tell us how many people actually need Ethernet, particularly pros.

Unless they make the back edge of the wedge design thicker to accommodate the interface I doubt it will. I think expect the TB-to-Ethernet adapter to support GigE. I hope that it will eventually support 10GigE over TB but I'm not sure that's even possible without other HW in the MBP.

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My Macbook pro was $1200, I upgraded my ram to 8 GB and HD to 750 GB. This ended up costing $1400 

 

To get a Macbook air with 8GB ram and only 500 GB SDD it is $2000. Plus then (For me at least) there is the added costs of adaptors and Optical drives. 

 

I don't know about build quality... My friend with an air has dropped hers a few times and it hasn't come out well, one of my other friends has dropped his 13 Inch classic pro heaps and it has come out better :P 

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I don't know a single person who has been happy about the lack of Optical Disk drive on Macs.... I use mine all the time for reading Audio Cds, Burning DVDs, Burning CDs with Data, Backup, Watching DVDs ect.

1) Are the old PPC Macs harming anyone? Of course not, so why isn't Apple making those anymore?

2) So you play your music and video off the ODD? 1hmm.gif That adds sound interference and uses the battery much more than it should.

Pro Tip: Use iTunes to convert and copy your music to the disk and use Handbrake to convert and copy your videos to disk. You'll remove the noise of the spinning ODD and use considerably less power as well as getting your media to boot up faster not have to switch out plastic discs to play something new.

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Originally Posted by oldmacs View Post

I know quite a few schools that bought classic Macbook Pros this year (Classic) as there is a need for an Optical drive, ethernet, bigger harddrives and price. 

 

How is this proof that they use any of those? You can basically count out the hard drive capacity as being a reason for purchase right off unless it's some specialized school of music or something.


I don't know a single person who has been happy about the lack of Optical Disk drive on Macs.... I use mine all the time for reading Audio Cds, Burning DVDs, Burning CDs with Data, Backup, Watching DVDs ect. 

 

I don't know a single person who has needed an optical drive in the past three years. And you can always plug one into your AirPort to share between computers.


My point is why people want to kill this Mac?

 

You're behaving the same way that a scant few people did when Apple dropped the floppy. And ADB, for that matter.


What is it doing- Its not Harming anyone. 

 

Oh, come on. This isn't anywhere near a valid argument, and there are plenty of rebuttals for it anyway.

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Yes but the PPC was completly lagging behind the intel processor when they were phased out. The Classic Macbook pro is not lagging behind the PC market. 

 

Sigh..... I always import my CDs, I should have typed, I use my ODD to import CDs into itunes... 

DVDs aren't really meant to be ripped (Well legally) so I will play them in the drive. 

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Well currently my school put of purchasing Airs, instead going for pros because of the harddrive factor.... Our Macs are loaded with heaps of software. I don't know how they fill them but our old White Macbooks are almost full (160 GB) 

 

I know heaps of people who still use Optical disk drives. Back in 1998 the Floppy Disk drive was way too small for its time. DVDs are up to 8 GB, and in very common usage. 

 

No one has yet given me a reason why Apple need to pull the plug on this Macbook. 

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Originally Posted by oldmacs View Post
The Classic Macbook pro is not lagging behind the PC market. 

 

So "not lagging" is reason enough to keep selling something? Do you… know anything about Apple?


DVDs aren't really meant to be ripped (Well legally)…

 

Different schools of thought about that… Some say the use of said software on owned DVDs is fine, but the creation thereof isn't.


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No one has yet given me a reason why Apple need to pull the plug on this Macbook. 
 

"I refuse to listen to the many valid reasons" ≠ "No one has given me a reason". Come on.

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