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Hey Tallest Skil,

I guess you've missed the OFFICIAL confirmation.

YES Apple did LIE.



http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/07/us/nsa-verizon-calls.html?hp&_r=1&

I'll keep repeating my response... Even acknowledgement of orders from the government to cooperate on these matters is ILLEGAL and an instant IMPRISONABLE OFFENSE. That is the law as written. Don't believe it? Look it up for yourself. Read the entire Patriot Act.

Why are you confirming suspicions that you are clueless?

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Yes, Bush and his "Patriot act" was a disaster, but then again so was Clinton's "carnivore" email spying program.  The government has been utilizing the latest technology to spy on people for a long time.  It's not exclusive to either party.

 

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This is the NSA. We've been running surveillance on supercomputers and prior to that mainframes ever since they were invented.

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Furthermore, this is standard practice since the 1950s. We've just gotten better technology to do it today.

 

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All this started under Bush, because... you know... Freedom!


"All this" started long before Bush, before Clinton, before the internet, before computers, before the use of electricity and before the US existed....

...it's a hallmark of authoritanianism throughout human history.

 

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The problem isn't the politicians in office, it's the people who voted them in.

 

Ben Franklin on what the then newly-minted Constitution had given the US: "A Republic if you can keep it."

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The problem is the two party system and the winner-take-all approach to representation, gerrymandering election district boundaries, etc.

 

When the option is to cast a vote between bad and worse, how do you expect to get even halfway decent politicians in power?

 

The "choice" we have is like going to a restaurant and getting the "choice" of french fries and onion rings, when what we're looking for are healthy vegetables and a fresh salad.


Gore Vidal wrote we have the illusion of a 2 party system, but really one power party with 2 wings, Dem and GOP.  The wings truly dislike each other and have different tactical and strategic objectives, but what they agree on - and have spent over 150 years institutionalizing via arcane laws at every level of government - is that they will split the spoils and keep all other viable competitors out of the game. 

And he was sadly right....

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So to sum up:

 

There'll be a lot of indignant ranting for about two more days then everyone will do precisely nothing.

 

That's how it works, yes?

That's because there's nothing that can be done.  You think writing to your politicians will solve this problem?  They have their fingerprints all over this.  They allowed it to happen.  They certainly aren't stepping out in front of a podium saying that they are putting all of their effort into shutting it down.  All of the major players are involved in this.  Many families stay connected through Facebook.  People share geotagged photos through various photo sites.  Apple hired an NSA analyst David Rice to head up security.  There's little one can do when the man charged with security is NSA.

 

Janet Napolitano has stated that she doesn't even use email.  That ought to be an indicator for many people.  If you want more secure communications, you're going to have to return to snail mail.  We're all Mac users and iOS device users.  It's safe to say that we're all going to remain using these devices.  It's also safe to say that we're all going to give up every word of the 4th Amendment (Americans anyway) by consciously choosing to log on to Facebook, post images to Flickr, send and receive email, and browse the internet.  What is there to do?  Apple said they haven't even heard of PRISM, yet hired a guy from the NSA.  It's safe to say that there's nothing we can do at this point because the corporations are going to do nothing to stop it.  Doing something about it would mean not using any Apple products anymore because we can't trust Apple to maintain our privacy.  

 

Doing something about it means severing the internet cord, and not using a cell phone.  Perhaps one tenth of one percent would do that.  The rest of us will complain and submit in silent compliance.  I, for one, admit that I'm saddened to know that Apple sold us all out.  

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That's because there's nothing that can be done.  You think writing to your politicians will solve this problem?  They have their fingerprints all over this.  They allowed it to happen.  They certainly aren't stepping out in front of a podium saying that they are putting all of their effort into shutting it down.  All of the major players are involved in this.  Many families stay connected through Facebook.  People share geotagged photos through various photo sites.  Apple hired an NSA analyst David Rice to head up security.  There's little one can do when the man charged with security is NSA.

Janet Napolitano has stated that she doesn't even use email.  That ought to be an indicator for many people.  If you want more secure communications, you're going to have to return to snail mail.  We're all Mac users and iOS device users.  It's safe to say that we're all going to remain using these devices.  It's also safe to say that we're all going to give up every word of the 4th Amendment (Americans anyway) by consciously choosing to log on to Facebook, post images to Flickr, send and receive email, and browse the internet.  What is there to do?  Apple said they haven't even heard of PRISM, yet hired a guy from the NSA.  It's safe to say that there's nothing we can do at this point because the corporations are going to do nothing to stop it.  Doing something about it would mean not using any Apple products anymore because we can't trust Apple to maintain our privacy.  

Doing something about it means severing the internet cord, and not using a cell phone.  Perhaps one tenth of one percent would do that.  The rest of us will complain and submit in silent compliance.  I, for one, admit that I'm saddened to know that Apple sold us all out.  

I'll keep repeating my response... Even acknowledgement of orders from the government to cooperate on these matters is ILLEGAL and an instant IMPRISONABLE OFFENSE. That is the law as written. Don't believe it? Look it up for yourself. Read the entire Patriot Act.

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I'll keep repeating my response... Even acknowledgement of orders from the government to cooperate on these matters is ILLEGAL and an instant IMPRISONABLE OFFENSE. That is the law as written. Don't believe it? Look it up for yourself. Read the entire Patriot Act.

 

SpamSandwich, I don't need to be shouted at about the Patriot Act.  I am well aware that there's a gag order on everyone at the top.  You're isn't an answer.  It's an excuse.  Apple chose to comply.  They could have said no.  They could have said that what the NSA was asking violated the Constitution and therefore is not a legal order.  They could have done all that, but they didn't.  They hired an NSA agent for "security" and sold us all out rather than standing up and telling them no.  That's what upsets me.  Keep repeating your response all you want.  Apple could have told them to go fsck themselves, and should have.  Now it all comes down to whether we as users choose to knowingly have every action we take, every search we make, every comment we text, and every word we type sent to the NSA, or we abandon technology all together because we can't trust any of the corporations with privacy.  Sooner or later, everyone does something "wrong".  Sooner or later, everyone is guilty of something.  

 

And we might as well be open and honest here.  The NSA and go fsck itself.  Come and get me if you fear I won't "fall in line".  The good news for you folks at the NSA is that Apple already streamed you my Address Book from iCloud.  It ought to be fairly simple to find me at home or at work.  

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This has destroyed every bid of trust that I ever had in Apple.

Correction: This has destroyed every bit of trust that you never had in Apple.

"Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone."

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Suddenly Newton:

Really?

I don't think I would be an exclusive Apple user for almost 15 years if I didn't trust Apple.

I don't think I would have an Apple Airport connected to a Mac Pro connected to an iPhone sometimes connected to a Macbook Pro, if I had no trust in Apple.

 

This thing was and is just NOT ok period.

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What else would you expect from a PowerPoint presentation ? Horrible things, that's all  ...

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Don't think Apple is being sleazy or even wanting to lie. I'm sure they're threatened with imprisonment if they don't for leaking Top Secret Information.

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Originally Posted by japm View Post
I don't think I would be an exclusive Apple user for almost 15 years if I didn't trust Apple.

I don't think I would have an Apple Airport connected to a Mac Pro connected to an iPhone sometimes connected to a Macbook Pro, if I had no trust in Apple.

 

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Edited by Beezlegrunk - 6/7/13 at 10:50am
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such a fucking shame.

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Originally Posted by dreyfus2 View Post

Hm, something is fishy here...

 

If you look at another slide shown here: http://allthingsd.com/20130606/google-and-apple-outright-deny-theyre-helping-the-nsa-mine-data/ you find a remark at the bottom of the page: "Complete list and details on PRISM web page: GO PRISMFAA".

 

If you check the faa.gov page, you find the home of prism: http://www.dot.gov/individuals/privacy/pia-prism

 

Something that has absolutely nothing to do with what is reported by the Post or the Guardian, but still is mentioned on the slides they have published. Sounds like they had some delusional deep throat at work here.

 

P.S.: The "Program Cost of $20M per year" is another clear indicator that this is likely BS. Mining this amount of data at this cost is pretty much impossible.

 

 

Different PRISM:


"PRISM collects information in order to fulfill basic accounting functions relating to the requisition of [FAA] goods or services. The PRISM system collects [personally identifiable information] only when an individual requires an accounting relationship with FAA."
 
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SpamSandwich, I don't need to be shouted at about the Patriot Act.  I am well aware that there's a gag order on everyone at the top.  You're isn't an answer.  It's an excuse.  Apple chose to comply.  They could have said no.  They could have said that what the NSA was asking violated the Constitution and therefore is not a legal order.  They could have done all that, but they didn't.  They hired an NSA agent for "security" and sold us all out rather than standing up and telling them no.  That's what upsets me.  Keep repeating your response all you want.  Apple could have told them to go fsck themselves, and should have.  Now it all comes down to whether we as users choose to knowingly have every action we take, every search we make, every comment we text, and every word we type sent to the NSA, or we abandon technology all together because we can't trust any of the corporations with privacy.  Sooner or later, everyone does something "wrong".  Sooner or later, everyone is guilty of something.  

 

And we might as well be open and honest here.  The NSA and go fsck itself.  Come and get me if you fear I won't "fall in line".  The good news for you folks at the NSA is that Apple already streamed you my Address Book from iCloud.  It ought to be fairly simple to find me at home or at work.  

 

If they have to comply by law, then how are they supposed to tell the NSA to go f*ck themselves? So as the feds are carting Tim Cook off to jail, how many of the righteously indignant here would lie down in front of the prison bus? Not many. So unless you're prepared to make a stand yourself then don't expect others to break the law for you.

 

This has happened because more than anyone else (Google, Apple, Microsoft) the government knows how people work. The people will  get on their high horses and make a big racket on line...until their iphone rings.

 

At the end of the day, no one cares enough to do anything, so they just rant at Apple and Google and Microsoft without even thinking about taking action themselves. I bet most people here won't even write a letter.

 

That's all the government has to contend with, and that's why they've got nothing to worry about.


Edited by Rayz - 6/7/13 at 10:57am
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A moment of silence for the Fourth Amendment now please.

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post #96 of 130
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This is a Law/Government issue, but I'm just so extremely disappointed that Apple so blatantly lied about this, exactly like Verizon did back in 2006.

They could have just said, no comment - but they made an explicit untrue statement to avoid bad PR.

 

This has destroyed every bid of trust that I ever had in Apple.

 

Doing it voluntarily is one thing, but then lying about it is another.

 

You know that no one believes the 'outraged Apple user' shtick, right? 

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"Apple lied"?

 

Except Apple clearly stated they "comply with the law" (which law would be the Protect America Act of 2007 demanded to be enacted by then minority leader John Boehner), what they ARE denying is the Washington Post's and Guardian's assertion they have allowed a government agency direct access to their servers, which both those articles state as fact. That verysame denial is repeated by pretty much every provider named.

 

An article on the 2007 act when it originally passed and was signed into law by then-President Bush:

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Congress approves sweeping surveillance powers

This week, Congress approved legislation significantly broadening the …

The House, in a rush to get out of town and fearful of being branded as soft on terrorism, approved legislation on Saturday that gives the Bush administration new authority to engage in warrantless surveillance. The Senate approved the legislation on Friday.

The White House began a full-court press for the legislation last week after the secret court charged with reviewing foreign surveillance reportedly limited eavesdropping on communications between two foreign parties that pass through the United States. The White House and House Minority Leader John Boehner charged that Congress would be putting Americans in danger if it didn't pass legislation overruling the decision before the August recess.

But the hastily-enacted legislation, dubbed the Protect America Act, does more than permit the interception of foreign-to-foreign communications. It permits warrantless surveillance "directed at a person reasonably believed to be located outside of the United States." There is no language specifically restricting surveillance activities to communications originating outside of the United States...."

 

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2007/08/congress-approves-sweeping-survellance-powers/

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The amazing thing is this: both iOS (after quite some time) and OS X' e-mail allow for S/MIME encrypted e-mail, which would make things quite a bit more difficult, at least in the e-mail department. But of course, just about everyone's too lazy to set it up (must use self-signed certs if one is to trust it, because the certificat authorities likely have to hand over private keys to the NSA, too.) Heck, most mailing lists strip away the public key attachment, etc.

 

Of course, with non-jailbroken iPhones one has to wonder if the NSA has direct access to the phone rather than to Apple's servers, and even on jail-broken phones it might be difficult to make out what various parts of the OS do.

 

And then there's the "back to my mac" feature: an IPv6 VPN that is negotiated through Apple's servers, which means they could also a negotiate system access to any other authority, so again, back to my Mac could be used by the NSA to access users' machines directly.

 

Find my Mac and Find my iPhone, etc. can be used to track devices even where other means start to fail.

 

Are we having fun yet?

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Ah, Mr Assange does still get a few articles published. I hadn't seen one recently since his rep tooks a few hits this past year.
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A national security letter or similar, one-sided gag order is constitutionally dubious. It's an involuntary NDA, without the A (you don't agree to anything). The existence of such authority is incompatible with "Congress shall make no law... abridging freedom of speech".

A random person or small company may be intimidated from challenging the government but Apple is big enough to litigate this.

 

For all we know, they might have litigated this. But because it's all in secret, in secret courts, with sealed proceedings and with gag orders, you'll never know if they did or didn't. There might be a reason why they are the last ones to comply. Maybe they fought it and lost.

Apple hardly was enthusiastic about this, otherwise they'd be among the first to partake, not one of the last ones.

 

The Patriot Act is such an insidious piece of legislation that it can be the basis of a takeover of a military junta, and you'd not know. Remember, according to the Bush doctrine, which is happily endorsed by Obama, the government doesn't have to disclose anything if it's related to national security.

 

If a dictator takes over, everything that would topple his regime or his scheme would of course be a threat to national security.

 

So, in the guise of national security we already have laid the foundations of a dictatorship.

 

If one observes the expansionists doctrines by means of which the US tries to apply and force their laws onto foreign jurisdictions, any politician claiming the US isn't "empire building" is a lying piece of scum.

 

Remember one thing: evil government arises always there where people think they'd be immune from the danger.

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Ah, Mr Assange does still get a few articles published. I hadn't seen one recently since his rep tooks a few hits this past year.
It popped up on Twitter - I'm surprised you didn't see it. Quite a good article I thought
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The amazing thing is this: both iOS (after quite some time) and OS X' e-mail allow for S/MIME encrypted e-mail, which would make things quite a bit more difficult, at least in the e-mail department. But of course, just about everyone's too lazy to set it up (must use self-signed certs if one is to trust it, because the certificat authorities likely have to hand over private keys to the NSA, too.) Heck, most mailing lists strip away the public key attachment, etc.

Are we having fun yet?
My understanding is that the private key is generated on the device and can't be sent anywhere - or it wouldn't be a private key, would it?
The CAs are certainly a weak point though, one just has to look at the Iranian debacle for that.
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post #105 of 130
http://googleblog.blogspot.no/2013/06/what.html
Google's most recent statement today. Seems sincere too so I'm not sure what to think.
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http://googleblog.blogspot.no/2013/06/what.html
Google's most recent statement today. Seems sincere too so I'm not sure what to think.

Any company connected to this fiasco risks being forever tainted, unfortunately. It's difficult to imagine any good way forward from this mess until members of Congress and the president are brought up on charges for violating their sworn oaths of office.

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1. Billions of phone calls are made each day.
2. Hundreds of billions of emails are sent each day
3. 200+ million web searches a day
4. Same government that spent billions trying to sort out the VA backlog and made it worse.

So now everyone thinks our government can competingly analze all of the data and find out exactly what about you

If I was doing anything illegal i certainly like my odds of not getting caught by this, what I am sure is a major, cluster f$&k by our extreamly intelligent government.
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Based on a recent article from the NY Times (take it for what is it worth), it appears that there one solution offered to the NSA was that a secure portal could be created for each company where the NSA can log into in order to receive data it has requested.  This was the NSA would not have DIRECT access to all the data and from what we've seen, all the companies have carefully worded their answers to say that the NSA does not have DIRECT access to their servers and that they comply with the existing laws when demands are made.   Apparently requests are also reviewed by corporate lawyers for each company.  

 

It's unfortunate but I think it's a byproduct of where we have been headed for years.  Doesn't matter which company is part of the program either, the major ones will be onboard at some point and the general population is too concerned with their own lives and the 'story of the day' to wake up and take a stand for this.

 

So all in all, unfortunate but not surprising.
 

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http://googleblog.blogspot.no/2013/06/what.html
Google's most recent statement today. Seems sincere too so I'm not sure what to think.

 

Didn't you what some people wrote - apparently companies are obligated by law to lie.

 

 

Now that the Washington Post has changed its story and the NYT has also backtracked, who is still insisting that Apple lied, that Google lied, that Facebook lied?

 

Sure, these companies do not tell the truth all the time. But in this instance, the evidence is simply not there to contradict the unambiguous public statements. The newspapers have the balls to retreat from their accusations. Will the people here do the same?

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Based on a recent article from the NY Times (take it for what is it worth), it appears that there one solution offered to the NSA was that a secure portal could be created for each company where the NSA can log into in order to receive data it has requested.  This was the NSA would not have DIRECT access to all the data and from what we've seen, all the companies have carefully worded their answers to say that the NSA does not have DIRECT access to their servers and that they comply with the existing laws when demands are made.   Apparently requests are also reviewed by corporate lawyers for each company.  

 

It's unfortunate but I think it's a byproduct of where we have been headed for years.  Doesn't matter which company is part of the program either, the major ones will be onboard at some point and the general population is too concerned with their own lives and the 'story of the day' to wake up and take a stand for this.

 

So all in all, unfortunate but not surprising.
 


You either didn't read the NYT article fully or are deliberately obfuscating the details.

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1. Billions of phone calls are made each day.
2. Hundreds of billions of emails are sent each day
3. 200+ million web searches a day
4. Same government that spent billions trying to sort out the VA backlog and made it worse.

So now everyone thinks our government can competingly analze all of the data and find out exactly what about you

And they do all this for $20M a year. If nothing else, the NSA should win a prize for efficiency.

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Any company connected to this fiasco risks being forever tainted, unfortunately. It's difficult to imagine any good way forward from this mess until members of Congress and the president are brought up on charges for violating their sworn oaths of office.


Over the top much?

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Well lookie there. Microsoft was first. Although I'm not surprised when Microsoft came out with COFFEE that let's the FBI into anyone's computer.

Benghazi, the IRS, PRISM, wiretapping everyone's phones - when is Obama going to be impeached?

all the turds fired up about obama, I hope they realize that bush was doing this, but he did it without the legal authority that Obama went to court to get.  the bush administration wrote the patriot act - the very basis for tracking and spying on citizens.  

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Well lookie there. Microsoft was first. Although I'm not surprised when Microsoft came out with COFFEE that let's the FBI into anyone's computer.

Benghazi, the IRS, PRISM, wiretapping everyone's phones - when is Obama going to be impeached?

all the turds fired up about obama, I hope they realize that bush was doing this, but he did it without the legal authority that Obama went to court to get.  the bush administration wrote the patriot act - the very basis for tracking and spying on citizens.  

 

Yes Bush wrote the Patriot Act. Before then there were the Clipper, TIA, Topsail, Echelon, Carnivore and other programs, under a variety of Presidents, all aiming at the same goal of creating a Minority Report like future, even pre-9/11. Obama could have repealed a bunch of things, and he even took back a campaign promise by granting retroactive immunity for the telcos anyway. They are all birds of a feather....who cares if they are blue or red, they do the same: amass power, decry the others for amassing power, and then when they get that power, are all too happy to use it, and grab more of it.

 

That's why the cult of the President has to end. People in the US treat the President as if he were a king. He's the janitor in chief of the country, not more, not less.

 

It is time that people remember who is the sovereign in a democracy and assert their power over the political class.

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Originally Posted by gelbin View Post
all the turds fired up about obama, I hope they realize that bush was doing this, but he did it without the legal authority that Obama went to court to get.  the bush administration wrote the patriot act - the very basis for tracking and spying on citizens.  

 

Ten years, and political rabble-rousing is the first thing you post?

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Ten years, and political rabble-rousing is the first thing you post?

 

haven't kept track.  but guess so.  never felt a need, or perhaps had better things to do.  come to think of it, i should get back to vacuuming...

 

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Yes Bush wrote the Patriot Act. Before then there were the Clipper, TIA, Topsail, Echelon, Carnivore and other programs, under a variety of Presidents, all aiming at the same goal of creating a Minority Report like future, even pre-9/11. Obama could have repealed a bunch of things, and he even took back a campaign promise by granting retroactive immunity for the telcos anyway. They are all birds of a feather....who cares if they are blue or red, they do the same: amass power, decry the others for amassing power, and then when they get that power, are all too happy to use it, and grab more of it.

 

Not true.  Congress passes and repeals legislation.  My point was not to defend obama, it was to point out the fact that obama acted under the authority bush created.  and did so legally.

 

It seems to me, and this has been confirmed in recent polls, that most americans believe in sacrificing some freedoms and privacies in order to have greater security.  This fits right into that mindset.  I am not saying I agree or disagree, but it seems that most americans would rather give the government the power to find out who calls foreign countries with terror links more than others and track them, so that, in theory, we are all safer.

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It seems to me, and this has been confirmed in recent polls, that most americans believe in sacrificing some freedoms and privacies in order to have greater security.  This fits right into that mindset.  I am not saying I agree or disagree, but it seems that most americans would rather give the government the power to find out who calls foreign countries with terror links more than others and track them, so that, in theory, we are all safer.

 

More people died at the hands of governments than at the hands of terrorists. So giving the government more power doesn't solve the problem, particularly if the terrorists actions are directly or indirectly motivated by crimes committed by governments with the spleen of building empires.

 

The problem is, people have been professionally distracted and brainwashed, and a professional army made the country willing to engage in wars, because nobody has to fear the draft. This country needs to reinstate the draft, and rethink its values, before it's too late.

 

It would also be good if people realized how close the religious fundamentalists in this country and in other parts of the world really are...

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This is a Law/Government issue, but I'm just so extremely disappointed that Apple so blatantly lied about this, exactly like Verizon did back in 2006.

They could have just said, no comment - but they made an explicit untrue statement to avoid bad PR.

 

This has destroyed every bid of trust that I ever had in Apple.

 

Doing it voluntarily is one thing, but then lying about it is another.

 

You don't have a shred of fucking evidence that Apple lied about anything. All these claims about "PRISM" are completely unconfirmed until now. Apple denied everything it's accused of, very clearly. Where is the evidence that Apple is so blatantly lying? The reason you believe that they are is that you never trusted them in the first place. I don't care what products you own, here's countless trolls that have done nothing but bash and mock everything Apple has ever done in the past few years while claiming how big of "fans" they are because they own some Apple products. The fact that you instantly assume the company is lying, even without a shred of evidence, confirms tat you despise them to the core and are making judgements based on that hate, and validating it for yourself. I browsed all your posts here, and there's not a single positive thing you've ever said about Apple or its products, it's all bashing and mockery, or stoically shilling for Samsung or anyone else that isn't Apple. 

 

You think Apple is lying? Prove it, or STFU. And stop parading as a concerned fan, because THAT is the lie, and you're utterly full of it.  

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Yeah no, I was looking at iOS source code on a jailbroken iPhone 3GS running iOS 6.1.2 with iFile (however I modified it to appear to be running iOS 9.0 with a build number of XXXXXX) and I found out Apple can give out an investigation ID to the government to log our every action we do, from the time we turn an iPhone on to the time we turn it off. They do this when the device is in sleepymode, or nightnight mode (that's straight from the source code, I'm not lying) when the phones been inactive for 5 minutes it sends the information to Apple.

 

Using SQL databases they store everything from iMessage Conversations, phone calls made, the duration of those calls, the country code, carrier used between the calls, our most used apps, our top searched applications in spotlight, etc.

 

What I found interesting is they have access to our iDevice filesystem database, meaning they can remotely find a file they are looking for from their headquarters without us even knowing...

 

My iOS 9.0 screenshot so you know I did actually tweak the source code on my 3GS

 

Apple iOS remote file system back door

 

Messages app sqldatabase, every app that uses the cloud uses sql databases... notes, calendar, reminders, contacts, phone calls, voice mails, emails, etc.

 

But I'm not entirely sure if they actually gather everyone's information and store it in huge sql databases... going back to the investigation id, I think they'd be required by the government to search through our sql database files or atleast filter their results for specific terms or people.


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