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I hate areticles like this were they dont even bother to try to make a conclusion.
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You may want to take a minute and try to understand why Apple is moving away from the outdated concept of files and folders. There's plenty of literature out there. A file system shared between all applications is the biggest security risk of all. Also, we learned from usability studies that the classical hierachical file system is the #1 stumbling block for the average user. Once you understand that, it is pretty obvious why Apple is moving to innovative ways of storing and presenting content. Spotlight, Documents in the cloud, iPhoto Library, iTunes Library, Launchpad and many more all point in the same direction - good-bye file system...

 

Time to realize that something that was a good idea 40 years ago is no longer state of the art...

Can you please cite proper, peer-reviewed studies that (a) file system shared between all applications i the biggest security risk of all, and (b) the classical hierarchical file system is the #1 stumbling block for the average user? Very interested in this. But I emphasize "proper, peer reviewed studies".

 

Thank you.

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OSX is great but in terms of productivity, Apple has been left in the dust. iWork has the potential to be amazing, but Apple has neglected one of the most significant reasons why most people use computers - to get work done.

Sounds like you've neglected the very real detail that not all work means using something like Office.

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Here's the deal, IMO...

Step 1: Bring all the Mobile apps to the Desktop -- allow any/all iOS apps to rurn on the desktop -- Maps, Siri, Proloquo2go... whatever.

While it may not make sense for some apps, it does for about 80% of them.

I would say more like 10% of them and 9% of those have a desktop app

And I totally disagree that such a forcing together Metro Style is good for anyone. Or that it would blow anyone away.
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Step 2: Make it so most/any of these mobile/desktop apps can run on the web and AppleTV.

You an already. It's called AirPlay.

Few apps are appropriate for the TV mode on their own so you would need a controller anyway. That is your device.
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I'm already predicting WWDC will be a failure with tech and general media. If Apple doesn't turn iOS into Android they'll bitch and whine about it. If Apple does add some Android like features like widgets they'll bitch and whine that Apple isn't being innovative, they're just copying Google. And either way someone will accuse them of copying Microsoft because apparently Microsoft invented color and "flat" design.

Or when they do mostly under the hood changes and just remove some drop shadows etc folks will gripe about how they didn't do anything.

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post #126 of 200
Every year we go through the same old thing. The anal-ists say Apple will fail and Apple makes them look like what they really are, stupid idiots! There is no such thing as magic, only hard work. People at Apple are always hard at work making products that people love to use. Anal-ists don't understand that you can't make products like that on a snap of your fingers just because they want to see something new at a certain time to make there bank accounts grow faster.
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Originally Posted by daewalker
OSX is great but in terms of productivity, Apple has been left in the dust. iWork has the potential to be amazing, but Apple has neglected one of the most significant reasons why most people use computers - to get work done.

 

Shut up and go away.


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Induce Charging:
I wish Apple would now do induce charging since we don't need to sync with a cable anymore. 

 

Get rid of the cable by adding a cable, huh?


BUT, the problem is they removed google maps at the same time.

 

Your complaint is that something that should have happened years earlier happened? Your complaint is that something that is already taken care of for the whiny morons wasn't always taken care of?

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post #128 of 200
Apple has certainly not been lucky, its been dynamic and innovative, its success has not been because of another's failure on the contrary, its through brilliance it has succeeded and as a company mistakes of past should not be repeated.

The day apple bows to pressure to release products just to please the stock market or fickle journalists or negative bloggers is the day it will be doomed for failure because I'd you can't please those people when you are your most successful you will never please them - period.

I totally agree with this. I do believe news this week will be exciting for the consumer, not sure how the markets will react, but I would bet that the stock will stay either calm or maybe go up a bit... investors are in "sit and wait" mode...
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Originally Posted by Wertherland View Post
The day apple bows to pressure to release products just to please the stock market or fickle journalists or negative bloggers is the day it will be doomed for failure because I'd you can't please those people when you are your most successful you will never please them - period.

 

*coughiPadminicough*

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and further, Aperture is crippled by being artificially tied to the latest OS via the camera RAW updates. Apple's really being kind of stupid about that, frankly. Aperture will run back a few OS levels... but it can't load images from your camera. Well, now isn't THAT special. Pinheads.

I don't know how outdated your impression is, because that's not true anymore. I am running 10.7 and I still got RAW updates last week.
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That's a whole lot of TL;DR but this line is particularly gagworthy.

 

QuickTime invented multimedia playback at a time when DOS PCs couldn't reliably play back audio. 

 

Indeed, I misremembered the timing on this, but my main point remains.  

Apple is great at OS software, and somewhere between "poor" and "okay" at everything else IMO.  

 

That's an informed opinion from someone who has used every mac and most every piece of mac software that ever existed. 

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OSX is great but in terms of productivity, Apple has been left in the dust. iWork has the potential to be amazing, but Apple has neglected one of the most significant reasons why most people use computers - to get work done.

 

Eh, what a crock of horse-shit. Somehow, 've managed to "get work done" using the iWork suite, and have created and edited thousands of documents on it, including presentations, and made $$ from doing so. So have millions of others. What exactly is pages or keynote missing in order to get your magical "work done"? Microsoft office is also available for Mac if thats what you're comparing it to. I haven't met anyone who "can't get work done" using their mac, and the people I know who use one do more work on it than anyone I know that uses a PC. 

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Uh, your entire post is pretty much horse-shit. Apple's entire success has largely been based on software, not hardware. If the software was shit it wouldnt have mattered how good the hardware was. OSX and iOS are both best in class, brilliant pieces of software that were both ahead of their times, and superior in many, many ways to competing offerings. You attempts to dismiss all of Apple's software using odd justifications is absurd at best. There are dozens and dozens of examples of Apple's software frameworks, paradigms, and concepts which consistently have been adopted by the rest of the computer industry, and moved things forward in a big way- from underlying technologies, to consumer apps like the ILife suite, to pro apps like aperture and final cut, to utilities like time machine, to iOS and its apps, Apple has consistently innovated both in the underlying technologies, and the forward facing UI and software features and have made previously complex tasks simple and intuitive, using extremely powerful software. If you consider Apple a "mediocre" software developer, I'm not sure what company on this planet you would consider to be more proficient, especially in such wide areas. 

 

Aside from being really fucking rude with the reply, *your* post is actually "horse-shit."  The reason being that everything you say here is a repeat of what I said.  

 

I actually agree (and said so explicitly in my post) that Apple makes good "OS software."  Everything you mention about the OS, the underlying frameworks and the so forth is true.  

 

What I actually said was that everything *else* they make is basically "okay" or not very good.  By this I mean things like Mail, Safari, iPhoto, iTunes, and especially their non-comimital, lazy attempts at making a half-decent word processor or a spreadsheet program.  

 

"User" software is what I said was bad, and you just responded with "All the system software is great!"

post #134 of 200
Apple has been throwing revolutionary products all over the place, and people thinking that Mac OS will be IOS are looking at it reverse of apple, I think we might see a quad core IOS development of 32 to 128 gb devices, with an apple merge of a out of the park IOS outlook!
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… Let me put it to you this way. As a dev, and an owner of many IOS and OSX items, after multiple IOS "upgrades" failed to provide real folders, the ability to share data between apps (or really any other form of realistic synergy), a "finder" like tool, or even just the ability to have as many files as you want in a folder … 

 

Total BS.  Apps could share data since iOS 3.0 and were made "aware" of each other for signalling purposes in iOS 4.  It may not be what you want, but you are lying when you imply that Apple has done nothing on this.  

 

Any reasonable critic would also at least mention the many great reasons that this sort of thing is difficult to achieve securely, and any good "dev" (rolleyes), would be aware of the fact that users don't like dealing with file systems.  

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OSX is great but in terms of productivity, Apple has been left in the dust. iWork has the potential to be amazing, but Apple has neglected one of the most significant reasons why most people use computers - to get work done.

I think the big real hang-up is the other systems don't read its files. So you have to export for other people to use your work.

I use Pages to make all of my instructions. It doesn't have everything, doesn't try to be everything for everyone, but it's very straightforward and has more than what I need. The problem with the "kitchen sink" approach is that you have a lot of features getting in the way of people that don't use them.

The only thing I really wish is that Apple didn't use non-standard hot key combinations. That can be rewired, but I don't think we should have to do that.
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Every year we go through the same old thing. The anal-ists say Apple will fail and Apple makes them look like what they really are, stupid idiots! There is no such thing as magic, only hard work. People at Apple are always hard at work making products that people love to use. Anal-ists don't understand that you can't make products like that on a snap of your fingers just because they want to see something new at a certain time to make there bank accounts grow faster.

There more to it then hard work, though. Ideas, creativity, inspiration, belief, collaboration, management, leadership, direction, talent, deal making, energy, momentum, marketing, brand power, mind share, and the most important of all; the reason why you're doing what you do.
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I'm already predicting WWDC will be a failure with tech and general media. If Apple doesn't turn iOS into Android they'll bitch and whine about it. If Apple does add some Android like features like widgets they'll bitch and whine that Apple isn't being innovative, they're just copying Google. And either way someone will accuse them of copying Microsoft because apparently Microsoft invented color and "flat" design. Oh and someone will accuse Apple of ripping off the Android font, even though that's a rip off of several other fonts, and Apple has been using Helvetia for a long time now. Won't matter, it will still be called a ripoff of MicrosoftGoogle. And the fans that don't like it will whine that Tim Cook needs too be fired, Jony Ive demoted back to hardware design only and Scott Forstall brought back to "save" Apple.

Bank on it. 1smoking.gif

The glass is half empty, no?
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post #139 of 200
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Aside from being really fucking rude with the reply, *your* post is actually "horse-shit."  The reason being that everything you say here is a repeat of what I said.  

 

I actually agree (and said so explicitly in my post) that Apple makes good "OS software."  Everything you mention about the OS, the underlying frameworks and the so forth is true.  

 

What I actually said was that everything *else* they make is basically "okay" or not very good.  By this I mean things like Mail, Safari, iPhoto, iTunes, and especially their non-comimital, lazy attempts at making a half-decent word processor or a spreadsheet program.  

 

"User" software is what I said was bad, and you just responded with "All the system software is great!"

 

 

..and yet, you still haven't provided a reason as to why you believe Pages is less than a half decent word processor. Why don't you list 10 things it's missing, or anything at all for that matter, that would magically make it "decent"? Wouldn't that be mosre constructive, and useful for people to see where you're coming from, instead of repeatedly proclaiming how terrible it is? What does it need? I use Pages and Word for Mac very heavily. For one, Pages has inifnitely superior layout management when working with documents with photos, etc. Much smoother, more intuitive, and does what I'm wanting it to do much more often than Word. I use Word when I absolutely have to, when I need to preserve compatibility as much as possible with files sent by Word on PC, and I definitely have never "missed" anything when using Pages. 

 

So again, what's wrong with Pages? Justify your opinion. 

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The problem with AppleInsider, and D.E. Dilger's thesis, is that he/they are trying to predict the future by gazing in a rear view mirror. Apple doesn't get to be as mediocre as Microsoft because Apple supposedly aspires for greatness. Yet that is the comparison I hear day after day on AI.

Apple needs an internal shakeup, it's time to stop being predictable. Let's bring back the showmanship and insanely great products! Do one thing out of the box. Release the iPad Retina mini before the large iPad just to prove the media wrong. Please Apple, do one thing Apple-like. Give us a sign you're still breathing!
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Despite what many people believe, and despite them sometimes describing themselves as a "software" company, Apple actually has a long history of "okay" or mediocre software.  I can't think of much they have made that really knocks it out of the park except for the base OS and the developer tools.  The actual user software Apple has made has been uniformly "meh" or has been bought from others.  

For instance iTunes is actually what made the iPod special in it's day and it's competitors had noticeably clunky alternatives, but Apple didn't make iTunes, they bought it from another developer.  What they've added to it over the years arguably makes it worse than it originally was.  iWork apps were created only to spite Office and the very second they got good enough to be viable alternatives all development practically ceased.  iWork was made to sell more hardware.  Apple isn't really interested in making a good suite of Office apps and they certainly aren't interested in making anything better.  They just need a "good enough" competitor and that's it. 

Quicktime probably comes closest to software that Apple made that is "stellar" but again, it was only made in response to Microsoft's attempt to dominate the media format wars, and has (again) dropped off in quality significantly now it isn't needed to sell hardware anymore. 

IMO Apple doesn't actually make great or fantastic software.  It makes "good enough" software that is actually kind of patchy in terms of quality and they never stand behind it either.  You can never tell if Apple really is serious about a software or service or whether it's just something that will disappear next year when the hardware and market priorities change.  You can't really *rely* on Apple's software.  

My take is that the software is a strategic for Apple; the magic behind their hardware. Hardware designers have long understood that, unlike other products (such as chairs or power tools), the physical design of a computing device is only at best, 50% of the experience of using that product. so Apple uses software to make their hardware special.

Another way to say this is that I think software is a means to an end, not the end. Take Safari: Apple dumped its pursuit of Safari on Windows after it had achieved its goals: promoting HTML5/CSS3 in a time when Web sites focused on IE6 + Flash... those days over. Even if Chrome adoption far outshines Safari on Windows, it doesn't matter because Apple got what it wanted: momentum behind HTML5. Apple's goal wasn't to dominate the browser market. It was to make sure the Web wasn't exclusive to one company.

Look at how WebKit changed the game: Microsft used to get websites to display "Beat Viewed In Internet Explorer" badges. Now they can't stop bragging about how IE10 is so standards compliant, even calling Mobile Safari the "IE6 of mobile browsers" (because it lags in HTML5 standards adoption).

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Every year we go through the same old thing. The anal-ists say Apple will fail and Apple makes them look like what they really are, stupid idiots! There is no such thing as magic, only hard work. People at Apple are always hard at work making products that people love to use. Anal-ists don't understand that you can't make products like that on a snap of your fingers just because they want to see something new at a certain time to make there bank accounts grow faster.

There more to it then hard work, though. Ideas, creativity, inspiration, belief, collaboration, management, leadership, direction, talent, deal making, energy, momentum, marketing, brand power, mind share, and the most important of all; the reason why you're doing what you do.

I think you have just defined [the reasons for] human existence! 1wink.gif
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*coughiPadminicough*

I disagree. While Steve Jobs didn't believe in smaller screens, the rest of Apple--Eddy Cue in particular--thought it was a good idea, good enough that they got the rest of the company behind it. Critics said the same, but I wouldn't interpret events as "Apple listened to critics." No, I think Apple listened to their customers. Several years ago, a friend of mine got the new iPad 2 for his wife, who wanted to carry it in her purse but it was too large to fit, so she returned it. That concern never crossed my mind as a man, but I realized this was not an atypical scenario.

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I'm really looking forward to WWDC (with an emphasis on the D). Less so the hooting from the fanboys and haters.

 

The hype around Apple brings out the worst in everyone.

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Eh, what a crock of horse-shit. Somehow, 've managed to "get work done" using the iWork suite, and have created and edited thousands of documents on it, including presentations, and made $$ from doing so. So have millions of others. What exactly is pages or keynote missing in order to get your magical "work done"? Microsoft office is also available for Mac if thats what you're comparing it to. I haven't met anyone who "can't get work done" using their mac, and the people I know who use one do more work on it than anyone I know that uses a PC. 

Really? Just because you can create a document, spreadsheet, or presentation doesn't make iWork as powerful as MS Office. I installed Office for Mac the first day I got my MBP because you just plain need it in the academic and office world.

Here's a review of Numbers, which is the most critical in any work environment (word processing and presentations are about showing data rather than working with it):

http://www.macworld.com/article/1138426/numbers09.html
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Here's the deal, IMO...

Step 1: Bring all the Mobile apps to the Desktop -- allow any/all iOS apps to rurn on the desktop -- Maps, Siri, Proloquo2go... whatever.

While it may not make sense for some apps, it does for about 80% of them.

I would say more like 10% of them and 9% of those have a desktop app

For the non-techie user, I think the percentage is much higher.

Yes many Mobile apps have Desktop apps too -- but often these are server or support apps. And, where "so-called" equivalent Mobile and Desktop apps exist -- they may be equivalent in function but, rarely are equivalent in UX.

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And I totally disagree that such a forcing together Metro Style is good for anyone. Or that it would blow anyone away.

It is not forcing anything on anyone... least of all Metro Style.

It's a matter of familiarity -- I already use all these apps on my Mobile devices -- why not on my Desktop devices?


I think you are coming at this from the wrong perspective -- You/we are computer veterans who, recently, have had our world enhanced by Mobile devices.

In the next several years, billions of people willl experience their first real encounter with any computer -- and that encounter will be with a Mobile device. Later, many of these people will grow their needs and enhance that experience with use of a Desktop device. And I am not just talking about the population of emerging countries -- Grandma and Grandpa fit this description.

Why not make the transition among Mobile and Desktop devices as easy, comfortable and familiar as possible -- like putting an automatic transmission, comfortable seats, and an air conditioner on the truck.

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Step 2: Make it so most/any of these mobile/desktop apps can run on the web and AppleTV.

You an already. It's called AirPlay.

Few apps are appropriate for the TV mode on their own so you would need a controller anyway. That is your device.


AirPlay is a good start -- but it is terribly inefficient --- a bandwidth hog. Why transmit A/V content at all? You could have the A/V content reside (or be cross loaded) on both devices -- then only the changes such as 3D co-ordinates, scene#, effect#, etc., need be exchanged among devices -- at a much, much lower overhead.

Consider multiplayer game...
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Despite what many people believe, and despite them sometimes describing themselves as a "software" company, Apple actually has a long history of "okay" or mediocre software.  I can't think of much they have made that really knocks it out of the park except for the base OS and the developer tools.  The actual user software Apple has made has been uniformly "meh" or has been bought from others.  

 

For instance iTunes is actually what made the iPod special in it's day and it's competitors had noticeably clunky alternatives, but Apple didn't make iTunes, they bought it from another developer.  What they've added to it over the years arguably makes it worse than it originally was.  iWork apps were created only to spite Office and the very second they got good enough to be viable alternatives all development practically ceased.  iWork was made to sell more hardware.  Apple isn't really interested in making a good suite of Office apps and they certainly aren't interested in making anything better.  They just need a "good enough" competitor and that's it. 

 

Quicktime probably comes closest to software that Apple made that is "stellar" but again, it was only made in response to Microsoft's attempt to dominate the media format wars, and has (again) dropped off in quality significantly now it isn't needed to sell hardware anymore. 

 

IMO Apple doesn't actually make great or fantastic software.  It makes "good enough" software that is actually kind of patchy in terms of quality and they never stand behind it either.  You can never tell if Apple really is serious about a software or service or whether it's just something that will disappear next year when the hardware and market priorities change.  You can't really *rely* on Apple's software.  


You've hit the nail on the head. Apple makes great software only so that it can sell hardware. It has forsaken iWork. Why don't they recognize that if they would make iWork better in functionality than Office they would cause a huge shift in office productivity and grab a much larger share of the enterprise market? They already are grabbing the tablet market and phone markets from that sector. It would behoove them to make a killer office suite so that businesses would just make the switch in total. Apple just needs to have an awesome iWork for the iPads. When iPad users grasp how much better it is than Office they'll buy more Macs. Simple.

 

OSX is way better than any Windows product but just adding fluffy desktop apps to it isn't making it a better OS. OSX is becoming bloated. Apple should do what Bodhi Linux does. The Bodhi Linux OS comes with the bare minimum of applications and has a software repository for adding programs. By doing this nobody has anything on their system that they personally didn't request or need. This makes their systems faster.

 

IOS doesn't have a file system yet? This was one of the original complaints when it came out and it still hasn't been addressed. Give people what they want Apple.

 

The 64 GB iPod Touch costs $399! Can you believe that?

 

Where is a codec that captures the full sonic reproduction of an analog recording? It doesn't exist. If Apple made such a codec they could have another layer of iTunes and people who really care about sonic purity would repurchase their entire libraries just to have beautiful full sounding music. Apple would make another fortune with this. The files would be twenty times larger than current files but so what. Disc drives are now big enough to handle them, especially with RAID systems and Drobos. There will be another music revolution when such a codec comes into existence.

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Originally Posted by MJ Web View Post

The problem with AppleInsider, and D.E. Dilger's thesis, is that he/they are trying to predict the future by gazing in a rear view mirror. Apple doesn't get to be as mediocre as Microsoft because Apple supposedly aspires for greatness. Yet that is the comparison I hear day after day on AI.

Apple needs an internal shakeup, it's time to stop being predictable. Let's bring back the showmanship and insanely great products! Do one thing out of the box. Release the iPad Retina mini before the large iPad just to prove the media wrong. Please Apple, do one thing Apple-like. Give us a sign you're still breathing!

"Release the iPad Retina mini before the large iPad just to prove the media wrong. Please Apple, do one thing Apple-like. Give us a sign . . . "

Has it not occurred to you that they are still developing the technology that must be in place before they can produce—not "release"—the iPad mini? That it's not a matter of them needing an internal shakeup, but a matter of Sharp or AU Optronics or whoever getting their production of the necessary screens ramped up in the millions that will be needed?

People get all needy and emotional over something they only dimly understand, if at all. Apple's products are on the edge of what's possible technologically, without compromising usability, in fact they must always be advancing usability. It takes time. They can spend over a billion, as they did with Sharp, and you may not see the results for years.
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The glass is half empty, no?
The glass is dry man.
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Or when they do mostly under the hood changes and just remove some drop shadows etc folks will gripe about how they didn't do anything.
Well if all they do is remove gloss from app icons than I'll be bitching right along with everyone else.
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"Release the iPad Retina mini before the large iPad just to prove the media wrong. Please Apple, do one thing Apple-like. Give us a sign . . . "

Has it not occurred to you that they are still developing the technology that must be in place before they can produce—not "release"—the iPad mini? That it's not a matter of them needing an internal shakeup, but a matter of Sharp or AU Optronics or whoever getting their production of the necessary screens ramped up in the millions that will be needed?

People get all needy and emotional over something they only dimly understand, if at all. Apple's products are on the edge of what's possible technologically, without compromising usability, in fact they must always be advancing usability. It takes time. They can spend over a billion, as they did with Sharp, and you may not see the results for years.

 

You say that Apple is still developing the technology and then go on to say that it's actually Sharp or other manufacturers developing the technology haha.  Freudian slip.

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"And had Palm, BlackBerry, Windows Mobile and Nokia's Symbian not all degenerated into terrible products people had no love for just at the moment Apple was ready to release iPhone, the company's major success in entering the mobile market might never have happened."

 

This line is complete fiction. The iPhone sucked the wind out of all those companies sails. 

 

Reality check please.

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Every company kind of falls short when it comes to productivity. Let's see, what do most people want to use computers for... (Work?). Why do people still use Windows?... (for Microsoft Office!) Why do people still use Microsoft Office... (to Work!) Should Apple invest more time in iWork??? Well, I'm shocked that Apple has so many "geniuses" working for them and they can't figure this simple problem out. Do the vast majority of people want to shell out all that money to mess with photos and videos? I don't think so.
Apple does the best in hardware. It's time to focus on the software. Give us something that completely blows Microsoft Office out of the water, and you will have your marketshare, more phones sold, and overtake the entire computer industry. It's that simple. But it's something that's been completely overlooked. It's something all those Harvard and MIT grads at Apple can't wrap their massive brains around.
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But the vast majority use Microsoft Office. 

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Eh, what a crock of horse-shit. Somehow, 've managed to "get work done" using the iWork suite, and have created and edited thousands of documents on it, including presentations, and made $$ from doing so. So have millions of others. What exactly is pages or keynote missing in order to get your magical "work done"? Microsoft office is also available for Mac if thats what you're comparing it to. I haven't met anyone who "can't get work done" using their mac, and the people I know who use one do more work on it than anyone I know that uses a PC. 

It's people that believe Apple can do no wrong and that there is no room for improvement hinder development, progress, innovation, etc.  If we lived in your world, we'd still be working on Apple IIc's.

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Originally Posted by daewalker 
iWork is crippled. It is in no way even close to what you can do in Microsoft Office.  Maybe you're just not a power user.  

 

Yes, please go away now.

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Blah.
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IOS doesn't have a file system yet? This was one of the original complaints when it came out and it still hasn't been addressed. Give people what they want Apple.

No. Apple gives what people need.
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The 64 GB iPod Touch costs $399! Can you believe that?

Not sure what you mean. You want it to be cheaper, or expected it to cost more, with all its high tech and well designed hardware and software?
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Where is a codec that captures the full sonic reproduction of an analog recording? It doesn't exist. If Apple made such a codec they could have another layer of iTunes and people who really care about sonic purity would repurchase their entire libraries just to have beautiful full sounding music. Apple would make another fortune with this. The files would be twenty times larger than current files but so what. Disc drives are now big enough to handle them, especially with RAID systems and Drobos. There will be another music revolution when such a codec comes into existence.

Not sure what you're getting at, but it looks like you wish for 'a richer sound experience'. But how will this work if the majority listens to music on their iOS device, with the included cheap headphones or self procured $300 ones? If these files are 20 times as large iDevices would be filled rather rapidly, no?

Yes, for home use we are still in the HDD area, but I sure hope Apple is going to kill it like they have done so many times in the past. All for the better, I say.
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Eh, what a crock of horse-shit. Somehow, 've managed to "get work done" using the iWork suite, and have created and edited thousands of documents on it, including presentations, and made $$ from doing so. So have millions of others. What exactly is pages or keynote missing in order to get your magical "work done"? Microsoft office is also available for Mac if thats what you're comparing it to. I haven't met anyone who "can't get work done" using their mac, and the people I know who use one do more work on it than anyone I know that uses a PC. 

Really? Just because you can create a document, spreadsheet, or presentation doesn't make iWork as powerful as MS Office. I installed Office for Mac the first day I got my MBP because you just plain need it in the academic and office world.

Here's a review of Numbers, which is the most critical in any work environment (word processing and presentations are about showing data rather than working with it):

http://www.macworld.com/article/1138426/numbers09.html

I have both MS Office and iWork. I work with and share from both. I agree re. Numbers. Excel is (currently) superior. But Keynote and Pages are far better than PPT and Word, respectively, in my experience.

 

That said, iWork is well overdue for a substantial update. I hope that Numbers will be upgraded, especially with more statistical and simulation tools/plug-ins (the latter of which is sorely lacking for the Mac).


Edited by anantksundaram - 6/9/13 at 2:25pm
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iWork is crippled. It is in no way even close to what you can do in Microsoft Office.  Maybe you're just not a power user.  

Please tell us exactly how Pages and Keynote are 'crippled', instead of just making bland assertions?

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