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In a rare move, Apple offered a sneak preview of a "Mac unlike any we've ever made," sporting a new, smaller cylindrical design powerful enough to drive three 4K-resolution displays.

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"Can't innovate anymore, my ass," Apple marketing chief Phil Schiller quipped after showing off a video of the new hardware, prompting loud cheers from the Worldwide Developers Conference. The new machine will be assembled in America.

The professional-grade machine will arrive later this year with next-generation Intel Xeon processors with up to 12 cores. It will feature the fastest ECC memory ever seen in a Mac with 60 GBps bandwidth.

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The desktop also features dual workstation GPUs powered by AMD FirePro. That will allow up to 2 and a half times faster than the graphics of the last generation, capable of driving three 4K resolution displays on the new high-end machine.

Internal storage will be PCIe flash, with 1.25GBps reads, 1.0GBps writes. The system will also feature Thunderbolt 2 support with 20 Gbps throughput, 6 devices per port, and backward compatible with Thunderbolt 1.

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The new Mac Pro is one-eighth the volume of the previous generation. Giving it easy portability, the entire top of the new Pro is a handle, while ports are all organized on the back.
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It's a BUTT PLUG !!!!
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Yeah baby!
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This is cool!
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THOSE SPECS.

That case...
Uhm...
Yes... That case.


I will say, they pretty much kicked everyone's ideas of what the new one will look like right out the door. A single central cooling unit inside a cylinder is actually quite brilliant.

But eww, that case.

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Outside of software (iOS or OS X), it's unusual for Apple to announce hardware and then say "coming later".

 

I think they're trying to appease professionals instead of leaving them out in the cold at WWDC and announcing it later. I want to see the Pixar demo tomorrow running in this machine.

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Disappointed. Scaled down for all the wrong reasons.
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Disappointed. Scaled down for all the wrong reasons.

 

Why does it need to be bigger?

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Originally Posted by benanderson89 View Post

THOSE SPECS.

That case...
Uhm...
Yes... That case.


I will say, they pretty much kicked everyone's ideas of what the new one will look like right out the door. A single central cooling unit inside a cylinder is actually quite brilliant.

But eww, that case.

 

It doesn't look finalized.

 

Pretty sure it will be gorgeous.

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Disappointed. Scaled down for all the wrong reasons.

The specs of the machine are brilliant. FirePro graphics card are nothing to sneer at on any level.

But that case is definitely something to raise an eyebrow at. How the hell are you supposed to upgrade the graphics cards in future?

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On first glance it reminds me of the G4 Cube. Oh wait, this is totally different -- it's a cylinder!
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Isn't it Six Thunderbolt 2 ports?

(The Keynote stream had 6 Firewire 2 ports)
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It doesn't look finalized.

 

Pretty sure it will be gorgeous.

Maybe it'll be like when you see pictures of cars. The Kia Pro_Cee'd looks cheap and boring in pictures but looks amazing and very upmarket in person. Hopefully the MacPro will be like the Kia; it looks odd in pictures but amazing in person.

 

On a side note, the graphics of the thing make it look a bit like a retro super computer.

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THOSE SPECS.

That case...
Uhm...
Yes... That case.


I will say, they pretty much kicked everyone's ideas of what the new one will look like right out the door. A single central cooling unit inside a cylinder is actually quite brilliant.

But eww, that case.


If only they scaled it up 3:2 and allowed one to plug-n-play different GPGPU daughter cards. I'd love to purchase a separate daughter card that had non-FirePro GPGPU dual Processors on it to swap in and out for different needs. Or a separate daughter card to add 2 additional GPGPUs and let the OS manage their computing via OS X and activate them for OpenCL/OpenGL on the fly. That would have allowed a new definition of plug-n-play and expansion.

 

All storage expansion via Thunderbolt 2 for any serious performance is nauseating.

 

Cost just went through the roof.

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The specs of the machine are brilliant. FirePro graphics card are nothing to sneer at on any level.

But that case is definitely something to raise an eyebrow at. How the hell are you supposed to upgrade the graphics cards in future?

 

Great cards for specific market segment. Still highly expensive.

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I was expexting the new Mac-Pro to be a re-birth of the Cube updated for the 21st century - this though is more interesting.

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How the hell are you supposed to upgrade the graphics cards in future?

Have you paid attention to Apple in the past few years?

 

Seriously though- I'd wait for a tear down before complaining or worrying.

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No word as to when except later this year? Price? Although if one asks the price I guess one can't afford it. Is it a computer or a work of art? Questions, questions.

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I hope this comes with a hose and attachments.

 

Dyson may be suing soon for design infringement...

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Looks like internal storage is also a victim here.  Not sure if traditional pros that might also use PCI cards will be happy.  At least it has the performance and latest chips!


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I hope it is not black. Nearly everything electric at my office and home seems to be black colored. The nice thing about Apple products was that they stood out. And given I keep my desktops under my desk, this will blend in nicely with my small trash can and not in a good way.

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Great cards for specific market segment. Still highly expensive.

The machine is a great machine for a specific market segment and is highly expensive.

 

Just saying...

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I'm guessing no internal GPU expansion. Thunderbolt handicapped mid range GPU performance let alone high end ones, and Thunderbolt 2 actually has the same aggregate bandwidth, 2x10 and 2x10 up and down vs 1x20 up and down, 40Gb/s each, mind the little B. PCI-E is still way ahead. 

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Isn't it Six Thunderbolt 2 ports?

(The Keynote stream had 6 Firewire 2 ports)

Yeah Phil slipped up a bit, he sounded pretty excited to be unveiling this but they're all on good form today.

6x Thunderbolt 2 ports 20Gbps each - I think he said 3 controllers. 4x USB. Dual ethernet.

If this is going to be black anodised aluminium like the iPhone, it's going to look really nice. Good choice with AMD for OpenCL - as Phil said, developers should be using OpenCL.

The Pixar and Foundry demos are a nice touch, I wonder if they'll have OpenCL optimized versions of Renderman and Nuke.
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Looks like internal storage is also a victim here.

It depends how you look at it. PCIe storage was a bit of a surprise but it means people don't make the poor decision of using HDDs as boot drives and it might even help keep the internals cooler. Having 6 TB ports makes up for that big time because people who need it can get a Pegasus or whatever.
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Looks like internal storage is also a victim here.  Not sure if traditional pros that might also use PCI cards will be happy.  At least it has the performance and latest chips!

 

Huge internal storage is not the future. 

 

Also, external Thunderbolt RAID storage is more reliable and just as fast. 

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Why does it need to be bigger?

No, it's "Why does it have to be smaller?"  It goes under the desk.  It shouldn't have any nods to portability, we have other machines for that.  

 

Did they put the ports so close to each other that you can't use two adjacent ones?

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When I see the new MacPro in the store I will rub my hands all over that SOB!
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Totally closed 'Pro' design? It won't take long for it to be obsolete.
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Looks like internal storage is also a victim here.  Not sure if traditional pros that might also use PCI cards will be happy.  At least it has the performance and latest chips!

Yep.  My favorite part of my last G5 desktop was that it didn't require an external PCI cage for the cards nor keeping external drives at hand for working storage.

 

This means pretty much as much spaghetti as using a laptop, with the advantage that you can keep it out of site and not feel like you're wasting a display and keyboard.   Oh well.

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And it's going to cost, what, $10,000? I'll take one, maybe?

Love the specs/concept though. Hopefully will be able to afford it when it hits the market.
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No slots?
No optical drive?
No support for RAID (hard drives)?
More of a Mac maxi rather than a Mac Pro.

Granted, SSDs are amazing fast. But if you need bulk storage (and you want it inside the box), this will be disappointing.

I can understand lack of optical drive on "non-Pro" machines, but for those who produce video having to attach an external drive is just a bit of fugliness that is not needed here. Given that people who typically use Mac Pros tend to work with large data files (and may need to mail them to clients in some form other than electronic), the lack of a built-in optical drive should raise some eyebrows.

No slots? Gee, one thing that has kept Mac Pro units working as long as they have in the past has been the ability to swap in new graphic cards. TB2 may help a little, but it's not quite the same as a 16x PCIe slot. Further, there are other devices people might want to add to a new Mac Pro (or, more likely, pull out of an existing Mac Pro and stick in the new one) that the lack of slots will be problematic.

Cylindrical? Crap! A device that could have been easily rack-mounted would have been much more practical. Even if that wasn't in the cards, cylindrical is going to create space problems on desktops and other rectangular areas where Mac Pros currently set. Someone in Apple's industrial design department should have made this a little more "industrial". Granted, the Mac Pro user is *far* from Apple's demographic (which seems to like "thin is in") but you think they would have done a better job of designing something for the Pro users. Heck, I'd much rather they stuck with the old case. Pro users don't need something that would look good in a museum -- they need something practical. Cylindrical fails that. If this is an example of "can't innovate my ass", I'd prefer less innovation, thank you.

OTOH, the performance does look pretty damn good. Mac Pro users will be forced to upgrade on that point alone.
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Also, external Thunderbolt RAID storage is more reliable and just as fast. 

All external storage on Macs is less reliable, because MacOS doesn't support SMART reporting except for motherboard SATA connections and SATA on PCIe cards.

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Apple once again proving they hate professionals.
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All external storage on Macs is less reliable, because MacOS doesn't support SMART reporting except for motherboard SATA connections and SATA on PCIe cards.

 

Are you sure about that on 10.9? I wouldn't make such claims.

 

In practice, external RAIDs work fantastically.

 

You're acting like internal storage is reliable. You know how many HDDs I've had to replace over the years? 

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Apple once again proving they hate professionals.

 

Maybe you're stuck in the past, hmm?

 

People are never happy.

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The Mac Pro reminds me of a 21st century SGI O2 in a Beer can.

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All external storage on Macs is less reliable, because MacOS doesn't support SMART reporting except for motherboard SATA connections and SATA on PCIe cards.

I don't think RAID and SMART belong in the same sentence. RAID provides the redundancy, so individual drives can be run to failure. SMART is about predicting failure before it happens.

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My Apple is back.
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It's a BUTT PLUG !!!!
I was thinking it looked like something from the Borg. To each their own I guess.
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I want.

 

Am soooo looking forward to the actual introduction when we will find out a lot more about this beast.

 

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Your = the possessive of you, as in, "Your name is Tom, right?" or "What is your name?"

 

You're = a contraction of YOU + ARE as in, "You are right" --> "You're right."

 

 

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