Originally Posted by wizard69
Actually I'm concerned about what the price might be also. However we really don't know what sort of deal has been worked out here. In the online documents Apple uses the phrase "up to" many times so I'm not sure what we can expect as to the cost of the GPU's.
I suspect there will be four configurations, ranging from what they showed, down to a quad core, dual-low-end-GPU machine. I think the base entry price will be "affordable" -- something like $1,500-$1,700. There's a lot of engineering that went into this design which I think will lead to economies of scale down the road after it's been out for awhile, but means upfront capital costs to recoup.
While they showed the top of the line in the demo, naturally, I am happy to see this is a very scalable design that could easily support lower end machines. (the 6 TB ports, etc, comes with all so I don't think there will be a $999 option.)
Originally Posted by kpluck
The purpose of this design was to make a cool looking disposable computer.
You mean like the current mac pro? You can't upgrade the CPU in the current machine, but you can upgrade storage and memory. The new machine you can upgrade storage and memory. The only real difference is in the old machine the GPU was upgradable, but you can still do that with the new machine, you just use an external GPU. Calling it "disposable" seems pretty silly.
Originally Posted by wizard69
Anybody that doesn't understand how powerful this machine is, needs to take a computer technology class or something. This is an extremely powerful machine. So much so in fact that I worry about the entry level price.
I've noticed that the people who complain about Apple not supporting the "professionals" seem to be extremely focused on upgrading their GPUs. I've never upgraded the GPU in the Mac Pros I've had, and never really needed to. Video editors, creative types, they don't need to upgrade GPUs every year.
Who does need to upgrade GPUs, or at least wants to? Kids who play a lot of video games. I think they are the ones complaining that it doesn't support "professionals" because it doesn't support their having-the-latest-gpu bragging habit.
Originally Posted by bbwi
I'll throw my hat into the ring as one of Pro folks who is extremely disappointed in the new Mac Pro. No internal expansion slots for additional NICs or RAM alone is a reason to dump Apple for Pro hardware.
Because there is only gig ethernet that means all storage expansion will have to be Thunderbolt... BLAH, YUCK! Centralized storage is where it's at! NAS and SAN dominate for on premise storage. No Fiber Channel at all, and only a 1 gig iSCSI connection???
B.S. if you ask me. Terrible. Might as well just buy an iMac... I don't see the value add of a Mac Pro over an iMac anymore. This sucks
You don't get it. Thunderbolt has made internal expansion slots obsolete. You're really worried about not being able to use a card slot for an additional NIC? A NIC that gives you, what, 10GB ethernet? You could hang 3-4 of those off of a single thunderbolt port without losing performance. (10GB Ethernet does at best 5GB of data x 4 = 20GB.)
I think it's hilarious that you'd rather have storage reachable over pokey ethernet than thunderbolt. I guess you haven't heaed but thunderbolt is a whole lot faster than ethernet, and is pretty ideal for talking to mass storage... which if it's really massive is pretty damns slow. If you're spinning rust, it's the drive where you lose performance, not the way oversized thunderbolt pipes going to it.
Originally Posted by Haggar
Have all the "external-only expansion is better" crowd thought about what they are going to do with all the extra enclosures, cables, power bricks, cooling fans, and noise that they are going to start collecting?
Yes. I have lived with quite a varied and shifting collection of external drives to deal with my video. First off, going from firewire to thunderbolt is a huge improvement. Secondly, as capacities increase you can replace the drive and keep the same enclosure... and I put the drives out of the way so there's not really much noise. While it's true the past MacPro had 4 internal drive slots... I've got a lot more than 4 external drives, so it's a wash at the worst.
Originally Posted by Misa
I'll wait till someone does a tear-down of it before considering buying it though. This is pretty much the G4 cube revived as a cylinder. It's an art piece, but it lacks rack-mountability and as far as we know, GPU upgrade ability.
I kinda expect Apple did this, and will later go "oh look, not many people buy Mac Pros, let's discontinue it",
Not many people bought XServes so they discontinued them. Apple recognizes who their market is. They tried to serve people who really wanted it to be "rackable", and there just weren't enough buyers.
I think it's unfair to call this an art piece, though. It is lovely, yes, but it's form is a direct result of its function. There are two things a case does: hold components and manage heat and airflow. Any box can hold the components, that's trivial.
This is a radical solution to the heat management problem... and a huge leap forward in that regard. They did it for functionality, not for the form, the form is just secondary.
Originally Posted by wizard69
Probably the same idiots that panned the FCP update. Which by the way might sell a lot of these machines once they optimize FCP for the new Mac Pro.
As someone who edits a lot of video, FCPX is a huge leap forward. But it works differently. I learn new things quickly and loved it... I think a lot of people have to be trained before they can really do anything.... you change the software and suddenly they can't do anything because their training is obsolete.
These "professionals" are the ones who complained about FCPX. Anyone who actually edits loves it.
Originally Posted by 65C816
How do you rackmount these?!
The XServe has been discontinued. There's no money in competing in the cheap server market.
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Can't wait for iFixit to review it and give it a −27 on their "Repairability Scale".
They probably will and it will be hilarious because looking at the internals it's pretty repairable. (seems everything is held in with screws and the top just rotates off.)
Originally Posted by Chris Muir
The new Mac Pro design seems to take full advantage of the chimney effect. It should move a fair amount of air all by itself, before the fan gets involved. (and I love that Apple even designed the fan here)
It really is a marvelous design. One big fan can move a volume of air with slower RPMs, meaning less nose, and all the processing units sharing one massive heat sink is just lovely.