Originally Posted by wizard69
Sure it is, that doesn't invalidate my position.
Absolutely it does. Your position is that there is no "acceptable" desktop between the mini and the mac pro.
That is asinine considering I'm suggesting a machine with a much higher entry level price than the Mini.
But much lower than the iMac.
In any event I'm not sure why you keep twisting this into a suggestion that I want Apple stuff cheap, anybody with a reasonable mind would realize that I'm asking for a machine that would be far more expensive than the Mini.
And much less expensive than the iMac.
Hasn't hurt the company because the Mac Desktop lineup is a tiny part of the equation these days. The attitude though has lead to a desktop lineup few are happy with. That unhappiness have resulted in quarter after quarter declines in desktop sales. It isn't just a shift in the industry, it is a very real perception that Apples desktop lineup offers very poor value even in comparison to their laptop hardware.
Show quarter after quarter declines.
2013 Q1 was extremely weak because there were no iMacs until November.
2013 Q2 was strong. In the quarterly conference it was stated that iMac sales were up while portable sales were down: "We experienced strong year-over-year growth in desktop sales following the December quarter launch of our stunning new iMacs, offset by a decline in portable sales given a weaker personal computer market overall."
2013 Q3 was down 13% YoY.
2013 Q4 was down because of the wait for the Haswell refresh in Sept.
Millions of people a year disagree with your opinion on the value of iMacs.
Originally Posted by wizard69
This is completely true. However when you have a product line with sales tanking you have to ask why. Apple doesn't seem to want to ask why.
The entire PC business is in decline. You have yet to show that Apple is suffering more than Dell or HP.
OK I will let you say that and just assume that you have nothing to do with the corporate world. I can't even say that corporate policy is even rational at times but their is a huge bias against all in ones. Unless of course the all in one is a laptop.
Of the thousands of macs at my work I'd say a quarter are iMacs. There isn't any prohibition against iMacs for any Mac shop I've seen.
There's a bias against Macs in general but once you get over that it doesn't really matter.
That is a personal opinion, for many a choice in monitors is a requirement.
Prove it. And you STILL have the ability to pick any monitor you like...even as your primary.
The so what is Apples tanking sales when it comes to desktops.
Show the "tanking" sales isn't a function of the lack of availability at the end of 2012 or the general trend away from desktops and PCs in general.
You really are stick on this nonsense aren't you! Apple will never sell me and frankly a lot of other people, an iMac as they are currently engineered, so their profit is essentially zero. As for doubling volume I can't predict if that will happen but it has potential for sales where an iMac would never be sold.
It's not nonsense it's math. Your $1200 xMac would crater iMac sales which means you would have to generate double the sales to generate the same revenue.
You seem to like the IMac, that is perfectly fine, but you discount the other realities out there which start with a very string bias against all in ones in the corporate world.
First, I work in an Apple shop. Do you? There is no strong bias against AIOs in an Apple shop.
Second, Apple's not strong in the corporate world anyway but a consumer brand. This is why the uptick in enterprise purchases lifted Dell and HP sales and had no impact on Apple.
Further many people (individuals) simply don't want the monitors the iMacs come with. Beyond that you have the maintenance and serviceability issues of the platform.
Apple's desktop profitability depends in part on the required monitor sales. I still use a 2008 24" Dell Ultrasharp. Why? Because it was a solid monitor and still works well. I see an asston of 30" ACDs around my work. I forget when they stopped selling those.
Your argument seems to revolve around Apple loosing iMac sales, build the right machine and all they will get is additional sales.
If you cut ASPs in half then you need to double sales JUST to stay even assuming the margins are the same. Dropping desktop ASP 50% and only gaining 25% in new sales is a losing proposition.
No I wouldn't because I know they can do better price wise.
See. It isn't that Apple doesn't produce a Mac that suits your "requirements" but that you simply don't want to pay what Apple charges.
Even if Apple produced an xMac that filled the void between the Mini and the Pro with the right specs you still wouldn't buy it because you want it for less.