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Define "box only".


Haha, cylinder only! Including the basic array of internal components of course.

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Haha, cylinder only! Including the basic array of internal components of course.

 

Yes... but... if you remove the Xeon, the GPUs, and the flash, I guess the remains is less than $1000. However, when you put on it the Xeon, the two GPUs, and the flash (all of them next generation components)... price becomes worrying.

 

See it this way: a full equipped iMac, with 512GB SSD, is at more than 3K. And it has only one GPU (with 2GB), an i7, and 32MB of cheaper RAM. Yes, it has a 27inch display, but if you discount it, I don't think you get below $2500.

 

So $2500, for a machine with (historically) less margins than the Mac Pro, and with just one GPU (with lower specs), and an i7, and SSD with lower specs...

 

I really wish they manage to offer some configuration in the $2500 range, because I like it a lot.

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Originally Posted by Steven N. View Post

 

Now you have. I have dreamed of a small and super high compute box with super fast external I/O. My old (never upgraded beyond memory) old Mac Pro Dual G5 sits mostly unused. Upgrading Mac Pros has always been dodgy at best so why try to lie that they are highly configurable like a PC box?

It's not only about upgrades but PCIe cards as well; capture boards, sound cards, super fast SSD cards, i/o cards, ect. I love creating music, I have a fairly new and very expensive M-Audio Firewire audio interface and one of the best PCIe audio cards they make, the new Mac Pro doesn't have FireWire or card slots so I'm SOL. Fine, I except that, will professional audio studios, I don't know, that's why I'm asking., not being sarcastic.

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post #164 of 1290
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Yes... but... if you remove the Xeon, the GPUs, and the flash, I guess the remains is less than $1000. However, when you put on it the Xeon, the two GPUs, and the flash (all of them next generation components)... price becomes worrying.

 

See it this way: a full equipped iMac, with 512GB SSD, is at more than 3K. And it has only one GPU (with 2GB), an i7, and 32MB of cheaper RAM. Yes, it has a 27inch display, but if you discount it, I don't think you get below $2500.

 

So $2500, for a machine with (historically) less margins than the Mac Pro, and with just one GPU (with lower specs), and an i7, and SSD with lower specs...

I see what you mean. But Xeons are very expensive; aren't there other CPU options?

 

Also, does it really need two high-end GPUs to run? Finally, using a slower SSD with less capacity can have a dramatic impact on price.

 

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I really wish they manage to offer some configuration in the $2500 range, because I like it a lot.

Me too.

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Originally Posted by pedromartins View Post

linux is not the option either.

 

Clearly you belong to the past, stay there. This machine isn't for guys like you.

That is a stupid statement reeking of fanboyism. You don't deserve Apple. Steve never loved you. *tattoos Apple logo on chest*

 

It has a lot of valid use cases. As misa points out, it's a pain in the ass to manage. Some software is released and supported on specific linux kernels, just because it provides a lightweight/powerful OS.

 

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RAM and SSDs both appear to be soldered on, as well. I understand that Apple would rather everyone replace their machines every 4 years instead of just upgrading and squeezing out 8 years (a lot of studios got over 8+ years out of their Mac Pro workstations), but I think at the high end, this will only be a turnoff for a lot of users, though I'm sure apple won't miss the niche market they represent in return for "prosumer" types who will probably put this in their living rooms to play MP3s, Aperture slideshows and Steam games.

Get your eyes checked or learn to identify a socket. It's not difficult to spot. Soldered here would take up a lot of extra board space and make warranty service extremely expensive.

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Yes... but... if you remove the Xeon, the GPUs, and the flash, I guess the remains is less than $1000. However, when you put on it the Xeon, the two GPUs, and the flash (all of them next generation components)... price becomes worrying.

 

See it this way: a full equipped iMac, with 512GB SSD, is at more than 3K. And it has only one GPU (with 2GB), an i7, and 32MB of cheaper RAM. Yes, it has a 27inch display, but if you discount it, I don't think you get below $2500.

 

So $2500, for a machine with (historically) less margins than the Mac Pro, and with just one GPU (with lower specs), and an i7, and SSD with lower specs...

 

I really wish they manage to offer some configuration in the $2500 range, because I like it a lot.

I disagree. First you are comparing cto pricing and trying to estimate base prices against that. CTO generally has higher markups. I doubt it will come with those specs by default. You are likely to see either a 256 or 512 ssd standard, probably a 6 core Xeon 1600s cpu, and cheaper gpus. If it moves to $3000 and loses internal storage, I will be surprised. If Apple redesigned something, they definitely want it to sell. I don't think they will price it too far into super - niche product status in its base configuration while losing internal storage, as it will have whatever minimum product volume required to maintain a viable line.


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post #166 of 1290
I am curious to see how the new MacPro will be greeted when it's released.
What I don't understand, even though I've been a mac user since 1985, is that if Apple had announced an identically designed MacPro as the previous model, with more recent hardware (PCIe, faster ram, SSD HD, more Thunderbolt ports e.t.c.) and 2x12core Xeons (whenever they're available), that would have made EVERYONE happy.
Why "innovate" so much for a target audience that just needs more speed and more storage.
I understand that technology moves forward, but why do it SOOO "innovative"?
You can innovate quite a bit without pushing professionals outside their comfort zone.
Anyway, I like the design, but I would like a few more options as well.

Cheers!
post #167 of 1290

Does this mean Apple will be phasing out MiniDisplay in favour of Thunderbolt displays?, so that is another £900 added on.

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It's not only about upgrades but PCIe cards as well; capture boards, sound cards, super fast SSD cards, i/o cards, ect. I love creating music, I have a fairly new and very expensive M-Audio Firewire audio interface and one of the best PCIe audio cards they make, the new Mac Pro doesn't have FireWire or card slots so I'm SOL. Fine, I except that, will professional audio studios, I don't know, that's why I'm asking., not being sarcastic.

 

Have you tried the TB to FW adapter with the M-Audio device?  I used to have a Fast Track Pro and a ProFire 610.  Cables running all over my office.  Then I discovered the Zoom H4N and tossed everything (it was too good for my purposes!), but I lost the ability to record directly into the Mac.  Now I still use the H4N and also have an Apogee Mic for quick takes and samples.  The latter also works great with my iPad/iPhone.

 

Back to the interface issue, I'll bet M-Audio will come out with a TB version. 

 

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post #169 of 1290
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post

 

Nope. You were talking about what Apple "could have done" with Mac Pro, and Mac Pros use Xeons.

I was talking about that? Huh?

 

And I thought I was referring to your erroneous comment about no such thing as a 12-core processor. But I understand the human nature to refuse to admit being wrong. Won't belabor the point. ;-)

 

 

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"Dual 12 core processors"??? You know there's no such thing. 

 
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RAM and SSDs both appear to be soldered on, as well.

They both look socketed to me. Go here http://www.apple.com/mac-pro/ click "scroll to continue" at the bottom, and click the 5th dot down, it will do an animation of the RAM coming out of their sockets. They look like standard DIMMs. Then click the 7th dot down and you can see the Flash is socketed in a little white socket. It looks like the same "blade" form factor they used on the iMac and Macbook Air: http://guide-images.ifixit.net/igi/EwXnxRyfEywUEP4A.huge

post #171 of 1290

so much for sneaking this in to replace my mac pro without my wife noticing?!?

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At least there is now room for those accessories! 

post #173 of 1290
With hot air venting off the top, seems to me one can park a coffee cup up there and have it stay warm longer.
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Plenty of price speculation here, but little mention of the "Made in USA" premium. Unfortunately, while some consumers shout about buying domestic, their money is never where their mouth is when it comes time to compare prices.

 

As a reminder, OS X still supports disc burner sharing over a local network...

 

Mike Fix View Post

I think we'd all prefer 24 cores over 12....

Preference and available cash can be very different. This will be expensive enough already.

 

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I think there is a big problem with this design. As a video producer and editor, I have 4-5 external hard drives connected at any one time to my laptop. My desk is completely overgrown with power strips, wires, and cables... and the entire physical desk top is taken up with hard drives everywhere. The appeal *to me* of the Mac Pro was all those hard drive bays which would allow me a neat, clean, all-in-one tower with plenty of HDD space inside. This new model will be just as unsightly as a laptop with five devices cabled to it. The new Mac Pro design may look cool in product photos, but it's going to look just as hideous surrounded by a rats nest of cables and wires. This is not going to work for video editors. Fail.

Thunderbolt can daisy-chain. Plus, why are all those external drives on your desk surface? Put 'em on a lower shelf or something. Find a desk with shelves and rear holes for cable management.

 

JollyPaul View Post

On top of all that, it looks nice once you see it in regular light. Some photos look like black shiny plastic when it really is reflective metal. They need to take better shots.

I interpret that as it being a preview aesthetic, half shrouded in darkness to enhance the mystique. Schiller certainly presented it that way.

 
Richard Getz View Post

Can you daisy-chaine two of these Mac Pros for more computational power? 

Only through software. I know Compressor 4 can use them as a cluster.

 
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I hope some of the supposed experts replying here, understand the expandability of thunderbolt ports. Including, external PCI enclosures, with any PCI device you want to throw in there.

I totally agree with you, but when one bleeds their account for a super computer they'd like to have more to show for it than a liter-sized can of Monster.

A big box stuffed with fans and LEDs remains the standard, unfortunately.

 
broadbean View Post
Is this the "My Ass" model?
Would've loved to hear it from Jony.

"My arse"

 
DarenDino View Post

Does this mean Apple will be phasing out MiniDisplay in favour of Thunderbolt displays?, so that is another £900 added on.

 Not necessarily. Thunderbolt to DVI adapter is $29, and as more manufacturers make TB displays, they will be cheaper.

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post #175 of 1290
I want one. Nuff said.
post #176 of 1290
A giant Mac Mini. Expandability not optional. Take it or leave it.

Not easy to stack next to each other on a shelf. No options to change video cards. This is the Apple way, I guess.

Thunderbolt can let you daisy chain external video cards and hard drives, so I guess nothing is lost in that sense (other than the money in your wallet).

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Over on CGTalk, someone mentioned that the CPU & GPU cards seemed to be just that, cards… As in, connected to a backplane and from there the main logic board. Wondering about BTO configurations if this is true…

 

Single CPU, dual GPUs…

 

Dual CPUs, single GPU…

 

Single CPU, single GPU, dual 2.5" SSDs…

 

No matter the configuration, the boot flash is still in its socket on the GPU card, and if you look at some of the pics out there, you can see the pads where a second SSD Flash could be installed on the second GPU card…

 

And if Apple will do such a BTO, then they could also have consumer grade CPU cards, and consumer grade GPU cards…

 

Maybe a quad-core Haswell i7 CPU card (with 16GB RAM), nVidia Geforce GFX 700 series GPU card & dual SSD card with only a single SSD populated (and NO SSD Flash boot drive on the GPU card); giving us the mythical xMac…!!! Shipping by Christmas time, US$1,500.00…!!!

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post #178 of 1290
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No PCIe means no pro audio users. It's going to be expensive and having to add an external thunderbolt chassis for soundcards will be both bulky and prohibitively expensive.

 

Which cards are you thinking of?

 

The Avid/Pro Tools Native interface is now available as a Thunderbolt device, but HDX isn't. That means that Mac is no longer compatible with the top-of-the-line industry standard in audio workstations.

 

The Apogee Symphony isn't an option, since it also uses a card as the connection point.

 

Other than those and a few RME devices though, everything else I can think of is either USB or Firewire. What else requires a PCIe slot?

post #179 of 1290

As a professional, I tend to agree with those saying major upgrades after the purchase are a thing of the past.  The only thing people tend to update are RAM and Storage.  Both can be done here through various means.  

 

Thunderbolt 2 has theoretical speeds of 20Gb/s. That makes external GPUs a real possibility.  That's faster than PCIe version 3 and close to version 4.  Audio capabilities have been expanded externally for years.  

 

I'm not saying this will definitely sell well, but it appears to be a calculated and risk.  Drastic change alway inspires naysayers.  Many mocked the Macbook Airs at first too.

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I registered just to tell you that you are one of the most annoying, paranoid fanboys I have ever encountered.

 

You're on a Apple blog.  So, yeah, here there be "fanboys".

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On the one hand, I think the design of this is fantastic and can see how this is going to sell pretty well. However.....

 

No PCIe means no pro audio users. It's going to be expensive and having to add an external thunderbolt chassis for soundcards will be both bulky and prohibitively expensive.

 

It'll be great for certain video professionals, but seeing as nothing seems to be user upgradeable on this machine will really make it a nonstarter for a lot of folks. Not being able to upgrade the video card, no PCIe and no Firewire are all big minuses for video pros.

 

Single processor also seems like a huge step back for most serious professionals.

 

RAM and SSDs both appear to be soldered on, as well. I understand that Apple would rather everyone replace their machines every 4 years instead of just upgrading and squeezing out 8 years (a lot of studios got over 8+ years out of their Mac Pro workstations), but I think at the high end, this will only be a turnoff for a lot of users, though I'm sure apple won't miss the niche market they represent in return for "prosumer" types who will probably put this in their living rooms to play MP3s, Aperture slideshows and Steam games.

 

People on Gearslutz and TapeOp forums have been predicting a Mac-Mini type concept for the New Mac Pro for about 2 years as a worst-case scenario, and as impressive as the design of this machine is, it basically fulfills that prediction.

 

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Which cards are you thinking of?

 

The Avid/Pro Tools Native interface is now available as a Thunderbolt device, but HDX isn't. That means that Mac is no longer compatible with the top-of-the-line industry standard in audio workstations.

 

The Apogee Symphony isn't an option, since it also uses a card as the connection point.

 

Other than those and a few RME devices though, everything else I can think of is either USB or Firewire. What else requires a PCIe slot?

Anything that uses a PCIe card should be able to use that same card in a ThunderBolt expansion chassis. As to it 'being bulkier', it is still less bulk than the outgoing Mac Pro chassis.

 

The new Mac Pro is a professional workstation, distilled down to the bare requirements; CPU, GPU, RAM & boot volume… Everything else is just a cable connection away…

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You're on a Apple blog.  So, yeah, here there be "fanboys".

 

Obviously, we are all here because we are interested in the Mac. That's not the same as behaving like a five-year-old and insulting those with different opinions.

 

(I registered just to say that.)

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It's not only about upgrades but PCIe cards as well; capture boards, sound cards, super fast SSD cards, i/o cards, ect. I love creating music, I have a fairly new and very expensive M-Audio Firewire audio interface and one of the best PCIe audio cards they make, the new Mac Pro doesn't have FireWire or card slots so I'm SOL. Fine, I except that, will professional audio studios, I don't know, that's why I'm asking., not being sarcastic.

 

Firewire is solved with a simple Thunderbolt-to-Firewire 800 adaptor so I'm not too worried about that.

 

Blackmagic Design makes a stand-alone Thunderbolt device that's a reasonable equivalent to the HD-SDI video I/O card we're using now, and it's inexpensive so that's no big deal either.

 

 

I think we retired our last audio card somewhere around ten years ago. There are tonnes of inexpensive USB audio I/O solutions that will replace that M-Audio card without hurting your wallet. Even inexpensive small mixers provide USB audio to/from the computer now.

 

The only audio market affected by the new Mac Pro is the top end which so far is still only available in PCIe (Pro Tools HDX).

 

But really, this machine is insane overkill for all but the most demanding music production scenarios. A mini or even an iMac with some fast external storage is all you need.

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[...] Many mocked the Macbook Airs at first too.

 

Not just "at first!" I still do!

 

But seriously, I want an 11" Air just to use it as an iPod MAX. It'd be great for that. Just not as an actual computer. 1smile.gif

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Anything that uses a PCIe card should be able to use that same card in a ThunderBolt expansion chassis.

 

So, add $1000 to the price of the computer if you use Pro Tools. Unless the Tube is $1000 cheaper than the old model, this is not an excellent value proposition.

 

I'm okay with using outboard boxes instead of cards, I just don't wanna devote a quarter of the equipment budget to kludges. For this to work, device manufacturers need to board the Thunderbolt bus quicksoon.

 

 

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As to it 'being bulkier', it is still less bulk than the outgoing Mac Pro chassis.

 

True, and I'd accept that. HOWEVER, that hulking mass of Big Mac sits under the desk with pretty much everything inside it. The Tube+Magma format ties up space ON the desk that could otherwise be used for keyboards and mice and trackpads and control surfaces and coffee cups and lamps and phones and scripts and pens and notepads and water bottles and monitor controllers and routing switchers and monitors and that sorta porcelain-looking thing with the filmy green stuff caked on the bottom that nobody can identify and nobody knows whose it is.

 

It's not a deal-breaker but it IS less convenient.

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I think we'd all prefer 24 cores over 12....

Apple is clearly focusing on GPU power now. GPU power has moved faster than CPU. You can see this with iOS devices where the GPU goes up 2x, 4x in a single generation. There's a suite of OpenCL compute tests at the following site and you can see in the top devices, the FirePro is 2nd behind the 7970:

http://clbenchmark.com

and the new Mac Pro has two of them. They don't have the high-end Xeons on that site for comparison there but they do have the i7-4770K, which is the fastest Ivy Bridge desktop:

http://clbenchmark.com/device-info.jsp?config=15525698

The Xeon configs would only be 3x that and you can see that even multiplying by 3 isn't close to a single FirePro let alone two:

http://clbenchmark.com/device-info.jsp?config=12763555&test=CLB10101

You can see the difference for really intensive computation here:



The old Mac Pro couldn't easily handle two high-end GPUs internally. This design basically says that you get more compute value out of a second GPU than a second CPU. This won't be true for standard programs but all computationally intensive software should use some form of OpenCL computation and they are moving this way because OpenCL runs on the CPU too.
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Originally Posted by CIA 
Housing 4k video takes a lot of space, and buying that space at current thunderbolt prices will add $1-$2,000 more dollars to a price we already know will be high.

USB 3 is cheap.
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Originally Posted by broadbean 
Wonder if Thunderbolt 2 is delaying it.

Ivy Bridge Xeon at least but it could well be that Thunderbolt 2 is holding back most of the other upgrades. The Macbook Air isn't so important for Thunderbolt 2.
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Originally Posted by Superbass 
No PCIe means no pro audio users.

Thunderbolt is a form of PCIe. This guy with his 13" MBP doesn't seem to have heard you (probably playing his music too loud):




He scribbled all over the back of it though (2:00):



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Originally Posted by DarenDino 
Does this mean Apple will be phasing out MiniDisplay in favour of Thunderbolt displays?, so that is another £900 added on.

You can plug whatever you want in. Thunderbolt combines Displayport and PCIe. There's also an HDMI port for very cheap displays.
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Btw, I just read a new headline at AI telling the new MBA also has PCIe flash storage. This might mean the flash storage in the new Mac Pro will perhaps not be as expensive as I was fearing...

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I really like this black R2D2!

The cooling system with the thermal core is amazing.

 

Unfortunately it will be too much expensive here in Brazil. :(

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Originally Posted by AppeX View Post
You do not get it.

 

No, I get it perfectly. I have always gotten it. You have never gotten it. You do not get it now. You will never get it. And you will never get one.

 

THIS NEW MAC PRO PROVES THERE WILL NEVER BE AN XMAC. SHUT UP ABOUT THE XMAC. 


Originally Posted by Plumperton1 View Post
This is not going to work for video editors. Fail.

 

Thanks for proving it's exactly what you guys need.


Originally Posted by nht View Post
If it starts at $1800 it should do really well if it comes with a half decent GPU.  Doesn't have to be awesome but half decent.  Say a GTX 775M or equivalent with 2GB RAM.

 

But


Originally Posted by Curtis Hannah View Post
…I guess it is they cost a whole lot more? They said it dropped it tower design, well I still consider this design a type of tower, do you?

 

I can't imagine it "costing more" to support iOS on older models. And yeah, this is certainly a tower, though we'll have to come up with a new subcategory name for it.


Originally Posted by nonstopdesign View Post
How I picture mstone:

 

It'd be perfect if he was against iCloud or something.


Originally Posted by StruckPaper View Post
There are indeed 12-core processors.

 

So no source then? Thanks¡


Originally Posted by drblank View Post
My thoughts is that when you have to bring in a computer for servicing, it's rarely the actual monitor.  So if they had a slightly larger (wider) version of the MacMini with the guts of an iMac, then you would only need to bring in the base unit and leave your monitor at home.  Much easier to transport.

 

But what does it matter? When you bring your computer in, it's not like you can do anything with your monitor left behind anyway!


Originally Posted by StruckPaper View Post
I don't see anyone (except you) specifying Xeons.

 

Then maybe go to Apple.com?

 

This seems to be a problem EVERY time there's a new product release. People whine about stuff and spread lies that wouldn't even cross their minds if they'd just GO TO APPLE'S WEBSITE.


Originally Posted by r1sko View Post
Actually, Phill Schiller states in the keynote that Thunderbolt-2 ports are backwards compatible to Firewire....

 

Of course, just like regular Thunderbolt. With an adapter. 


Originally Posted by Phone-UI-Guy View Post
Not x86 based, but Tilera has some monster multicore chips.

 

Why have I never heard of these guys?


Originally Posted by Relic View Post
Actually AMD does, they even have a new 16 core CPU.

 

Do you really think Apple would go AMD?


Originally Posted by Mike Fix View Post
Apple should have built this as a dual processor box.

 

Sure they should have. 24 virtual cores aren't enough; you "deserve" 48…


Originally Posted by noseman View Post
I am curious to see how the new MacPro will be greeted when it's released.

 

Aren't you seeing that now?


…even though I've been a mac user since 1985…

 

No one cares.


…if Apple had announced an identically designed MacPro as the previous model, with more recent hardware (PCIe, faster ram, SSD HD, more Thunderbolt ports e.t.c.) and 2x12core Xeons (whenever they're available), that would have made EVERYONE happy.

 

It would have made no one happy. Why would you think it would make anyone happy?


Why "innovate" so much for a target audience that just needs more speed and more storage.

 

See, that's your problem. That's what you haven't understood about Apple after all these years, which means you just don't understand Apple in the first place. You're actually still asking "Why innovate". That's just depressing.


…why do it SOOO "innovative"?

 

Try looking at the product.


You can innovate quite a bit without pushing professionals outside their comfort zone.

 

"You can innovate without pushing outside a comfort zone" are you flipping SERIOUS?!


Anyway, I like the design, but I would like a few more options as well.

 

This is the only option you get.


Originally Posted by jmc54 View Post
so much for sneaking this in to replace my mac pro without my wife noticing?!?

 

Just gut your old model and set two of these inside it. 1wink.gif

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

 

Do you really think Apple would go AMD?

 

 

No, but that wasn't the statement I was replying to. You said you had never heard of a 12 or 16 core CPU, I was just replying that there was.1tongue.gif Why are AMD GPU's good enough but not CPU's, it would surely lower the cost by a large margin.

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Originally Posted by Relic View Post
No, but that wasn't the statement I was replying to. You said you had never heard of a 12 or 16 core CPU, I was just replying that there was.1tongue.gif

 

You're right, and thanks for the info.


Why are AMD GPU's good enough but not CPU's, it would surely lower the cost by a large margin.

 

You'd have to ask AMD. The cost would be lowered because they're not good enough! Intel just keeps outstripping them.

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  New Mac Pro design influence #3.

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Love the possibly very quiet thermal setup and the overall engineering inventiveness.
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I think the first third party product we'll see is a Thunderbolt RAID box that sits underneath and is shaped to match.  That would solve the hard drive issue.  Maybe Blackmagic will come out with a redesigned video capture box to also sit underneath.  I also don't know why they only are using one processor instead of two.

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I think this is one of those.... "Well, OK Apple, I kind of get it.........  Well, if you insist......"  Instead of "That's the coolest f-ing thing on the planet, I'll take two."

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Does this mean Apple will be phasing out MiniDisplay in favour of Thunderbolt displays?, so that is another £900 added on.

Yes.  No.

 

if you have MDP monitor, it will plug into a thunderbolt port.

 

Google is your friend, especially for those 2 year old pages: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-20043524-263.html

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It's not only about upgrades but PCIe cards as well; capture boards, sound cards, super fast SSD cards, i/o cards, ect. I love creating music, I have a fairly new and very expensive M-Audio Firewire audio interface and one of the best PCIe audio cards they make, the new Mac Pro doesn't have FireWire or card slots so I'm SOL. Fine, I except that, will professional audio studios, I don't know, that's why I'm asking., not being sarcastic.

 

Exactly. Which is why the hackintosh community flourishes. I love OSX but hate the over priced HW apple tries to drive down our throats.

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If you don't like it, you have the choice not to order it. Personally, I think it looks fantastic and is specced up the yin yang.

Another dont-buy-if-its-bad comment. Listen, many Apple users (incl me) are fond of the UI in the OS and the beautiful form of the hardware. This, here is a big letdown. And when one does say it out (memes and above analogies included), all the neo-apple fans here just cry, heckle and abuse the hell out of him. Really primitive exclusivist behavior. Pathetic.

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I wondering how many dual XEON processors are actually being utilized rather than GPUs in the majority of workstation class apps.  I'm sure Apple has done some research in that area which is why they opted for 2 GPUs rather than 2 CPUs.

 

For any SGI fans out there.  do you remember the O2 workstation?  They had two different flavors, one blue/black and the other purple and black.  At least this MacPro isn't as fugly as the SGI OS workstation.  For those that don't know what I'm talking about....   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SGI_O2

 

It looked more like a stump from some theme park.

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I wondering how many dual XEON processors are actually being utilized rather than GPUs in the majority of workstation class apps.  I'm sure Apple has done some research in that area which is why they opted for 2 GPUs rather than 2 CPUs.

For any SGI fans out there.  do you remember the O2 workstation?  They had two different flavors, one blue/black and the other purple and black.  At least this MacPro isn't as fugly as the SGI OS workstation.  For those that don't know what I'm talking about....   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SGI_O2

It looked more like a stump from some theme park.
Of course I remember the O2. Together with my MacBook Air, they're the best computers I owned (for different reasons, though: the O2 because of having IRIX on a small form factor, while being able to use up to 1GB of textures in hardware accelerated OpenGL (because of UMA), and I also loved its blue box. I did a lot of very useful stuff with that machine. And the MacBook Air allows me to have almost desktop features with the weight close to an iPad. I also owned more computers, of course, but these two are the best I ever used.

But the new Mac Pro looks promising... It has the potential of becoming my #1 favorite :-)
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