Originally Posted by hmm
This is more unifying the older format to a newer solution that was only warranted due to the popularity of mobile formats which lack the internal room. Forward thinking would have been more like Wizard's concept of arrays of PCI storage, not a move from external (G5 2 bays) to 10TB + possible internally back to external. That is just backwards.
It's not backwards because it's not a good idea to have 10TB+ internally. If you need to move to a new machine, you can't migrate the data easily. You also can't setup a proper hardware RAID internally very easily and you can't hot-swap the drives.
If you need to upgrade the Mac Pro, this is as simple as unplugging the mass storage, migrate the smaller internal at 1.25GB/s and plug the storage into the new machine. Some people have two computers so if you needed to copy something from the storage, again you just unplug it from one and plug it into the other.
Originally Posted by hmm
Look at the Pegasus raid box. They sell it in the Apple Store with whatever brand of drives. They are using standard drives, which have longer error recovery timings
Do you notice that you keep doing the same things with everything Apple related? You start with the conclusion that you don't like anything besides what you're accustomed to, whether it's internal storage, Eizo/NEC displays, PCI slots, networking or whatever else is a part of the standard tower format + professional display and then try to dismiss anything that differs from it under a cloud of doubt by saying it's 'less than ideal' or 'might have problems' or 'seems to have negative reviews'. People are using these solutions with no problems at all and have been for a while.
If you want to pick your own drives, then pick a RAID box (USB 3 or Thunderbolt) and put them in it. The Pegasus gets much better speeds than you would with internal drives:
This Mac Pro makes the right compromises going forward:
- SSDs will scale up in size over time to as much as 20TB or more
- it focuses on GPUs and OpenCL for compute power; it doesn't matter if software isn't ready yet, the software that uses it will outperform the software that doesn't and they'll get the sale
- focusing on GPUs allows them to offer more compelling upgrades year after year even when Intel is lagging behind
- the storage default means that people buying these machines get the best performance without thinking about it and bulk storage can be handled by people who do it best like the server guys e.g HP:
If you need the speed for a project, move the data to the 1.25GB/s SSD, when you are done with it, dump it onto the RAID.
Originally Posted by AaronJ
I wish people would stop comparing this to the Cube. I see why they do it, but they aren't really comparable.
They are a similar size (this new one is smaller) and I'd say follow similar design guidelines but there are a few important distinctions with the old Cube. The performance of the hardware back then was far from future proof and there were no external ports like Thunderbolt that could make up for the lack of slots. I think they are very similar besides that in the sense that they are taking the important core elements of the Pro and applying the design philosophy of their other products. The G4 Cube was marketed as a 'super-fast, super-quiet, supercomputer in an 8" Cube' with heat expelled out the top, that's pretty much what this is. This new Mac Pro is a cylinder that fits perfectly in the cube-shaped hole that existed at Apple for a long time. It could easily have been shaped like a Cube if they wanted but it would have wasted space that way and it's best not to recycle hardware designs when it's a new model, especially if the design isn't beneficial.