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Amid Monday's excitement, it was discovered that the blue-and-green ocean wave wallpaper image Apple released to promote its upcoming OS X Mavericks for Mac is fitted precisely for a 27-inch Retina Thunderbolt Display, or even a 27-inch Retina iMac.

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The 5,120-by-2,880-pixel image hosted on Apple's website is sized at exactly twice the width and height of the 2,560 by 1,440 pixels found in today's 27-inch iMac and 27-inch Apple Thunderbolt display. The Retina-caliber wallpaper was first noted on Twitter by Web designer Marvin Scharle.

Apple first hinted at Retina display support for its MacBook Pro lineup in 2011, when a developer preview of OS X Lion included a high-resolution wallpaper at 3,200 by 2,000 pixels. But Apple didn't release its first Retina display MacBook Pro until mid-2012, over a year later.

It's possible that Apple could bring a Retina-caliber resolution to its standalone Thunderbolt Display later this year, alongside the debut of a new Mac Pro. When the company offered a sneak peek at its new cylindrical Mac Pro on Monday, it boasted that the high-end machine will be powerful enough to drive three 4K-resolution displays ??but Apple does not currently offer any screens with a 4K resolution.

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The new Mac Pro will drive three 4K-resolution displays. Apple does not currently offer a screen of that caliber resolution.


The 4K Ultra high definition television standard has a resolution of 3,840 by 2,160 pixels, giving it an aspect ratio of 16 to 9. The Digital Cinema Initiatives 4K resolution is slightly wider, at 4,096 by 2,160 pixels.

Anticipation of a next-generation Thunderbolt Display has swirled since Apple redesigned its iMac lineup with a thinner profile in late 2012. The company's standalone big-screen displays have traditionally employed the same technology as its big-screen iMac, but such an update has not yet come to its Thunderbolt Display.

Speculation about a 27-inch Retina display from Apple also comes as new rumors published this week by hit-or-miss publication DigiTimes claim that Apple is planning to release a new iMac in the second half of calendar 2013. Citing Taiwan-based industry supply chain sources, the report said that Apple is looking for alternatives to LG Display, as that company had low yields for iMac panels when the all-in-one desktop was redesigned in late 2012.

That report made no mention of a possible Retina display for new iMacs, but those machines could also be a potential candidate for a high-resolution upgrade, based on the double-pixel wallpaper found in Apple's first OS X Mavericks beta.
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Hopefully this will bring a 24-inch Thunderbolt display as well.
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This is just speculation on my part, but I think it's a given that new Cinema Displays are on their way to take advantage of the new Mac Pro's capabilities. The obvious question being when.
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I wonder if Apple will release some kind of 4K Thunderbolt Display? Or, will the new Thunderbolt Display be 4K?

 

I would think retina iMacs are still too expensive...maybe I'm wrong and a 27" retina display is doable at the same price point. Maybe it will just be a BTO option. 

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I'm sorry... Every time I see the name Mavericks, I think of Sarah Palin... Worst name ever! Why this name? Why now? OS X 10.9 is the end of the line, not the beginning of a new one... After 10.9, comes 11 (OS XI)... This makes no sense... What is Apple thinking??

Rent the movie Mavericks....and you will stop thinking of Sarah Palin. :)

 

I remember when the iPad was first announced, some, could only think of feminine products. Now that's the furthest thing from my mind.

 

Same when they started using MacBook and MacBookPro. It seemed so awkward, now? Not so much! :)

 

P.S. I haven't thought about Palin for over two years, thanks for bringing her up. I understand she is writing her second book, or as she calls it, "her trilogy!" :)


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Firstly I don't get the Mavericks and Sarah Palin thing. Mavericks is awesome and leaves open an infinite possibility of cool surf spot names. How about "bone yards" or "sunset" or back yards" or "hookipa" or "kirra" or cloud break" or "g land" or "teahupoo" ... endless...

In regards to the display, when they first mentioned the 4k thunderbolt display I right away checked the specs for the 27inch screen. Had missed something? I hadn't. The current 27 inch screen isn't a 4K model. That said, I expect they will launch a 4K panel sooner rather than later.
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I'm sorry... Every time I see the name Mavericks, I think of Sarah Palin... Worst name ever! Why this name? Why now? OS X 10.9 is the end of the line, not the beginning of a new one... After 10.9, comes 11 (OS XI)... This makes no sense... What is Apple thinking??

I don't think OSX is going away for a while. Next year we will probably get OS 10.10. I don't like the name either so I will probably just refer to it as OS 10.9 when I need to specify which OS I am running. I've actually been referring to mountain lion as 10.8 for a while now (although I am already missing the big cat names).
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I'm sorry... Every time I see the name Mavericks, I think of Sarah Palin... Worst name ever! Why this name? Why now? OS X 10.9 is the end of the line, not the beginning of a new one... After 10.9, comes 11 (OS XI)... This makes no sense... What is Apple thinking??

Your ignorance is the thing that doesn't make sense, at all.

 

Who the hell told you that after 10.9 we will have 11? What's wrong with 10.10 or 10.11? Heck, why OS XI? Who told you that?

 

So much ignorance... Everywhere. This reminds me those going berserk because the iPhone 4s looked like the 4 and wasn't called 5. The press would've been totally different if it was called iPhone 5, even if it was the exact same device.

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....In regards to the display, when they first mentioned the 4k thunderbolt display I right away checked the specs for the 27inch screen. Had missed something? I hadn't. The current 27 inch screen isn't a 4K model. That said, I expect they will launch a 4K panel sooner rather than later.

Dude. I agree. It sort of reminds when the 30" Apple display was in it's heyday...I coveted it so much, along with a tower, but could never afford it.

 

I think Apple will have a great combo with the new MacBookPro and a larger 4k display. The pro's will buy that set up for sure...me I'll stick with my, iPhone, iPad mini, ATV and maybe an MBA 11"

 

And, maybe a 27" iMac....

 

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This is just speculation on my part, but I think it's a given that new Cinema Displays are on their way to take advantage of the new Mac Pro's capabilities. The obvious question being when.

dots...  connect... the... dots...   Apple doesn't release a 3 4K screen capable MacPro without a display to exploit that capability

 

And once that capability is in the OS, Every Mac can take advantage of it.  Every Mac. 

 

And once you build a 4K 'monitor', a $99 AppleTV could enable it for Airplay mounted on your wall.  And if there was a 'iTV' app (like an iRadio app), that munged all the MLB, NBA, NFL, NHL (I wish), Hulu+, Netflix, iTunes, and made it 'easy' for content producers to  'stream realtime' content to become part of a subscription services....

 

Why do I think the next AppleTV will have a thunderbolt connector on it?

 

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I wonder if Apple will release some kind of 4K Thunderbolt Display? Or, will the new Thunderbolt Display be 4K?

 

I would think retina iMacs are still too expensive...maybe I'm wrong and a 27" retina display is doable at the same price point. Maybe it will just be a BTO option. 

 

My guess is that the $999 monitor price point will need to be hit with 4K components, and should be by fall.   Building it into a 27" 1800/2000 price point shouldn't be hard.  

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I'm holding onto my 2010 BTO i7 iMac until it doesn't run the current operating system, or a retina iMac is released- whichever comes first.  :)  I would be thrilled if it happened this year, but I highly doubt it.  2014 seems more believable.  It will be very interesting to see how this year's iMac is refreshed without Retina.  Curious if fusion becomes standard (that would be awesome).

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I wonder how many displays my new 27" iMac will be able to push. With the vastly improved multi screen capabilities of 10.9 buying an extra display suddenly became more tempting.
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Hopefully this will bring a 24-inch Thunderbolt display as well.

Android fans would never be satisfied with a 24" display. They'd say it has to be at least 24.6" to be useful.

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I wonder how many displays my new 27" iMac will be able to push. With the vastly improved multi screen capabilities of 10.9 buying an extra display suddenly became more tempting.

Why do you have to wonder? Look it up..."Simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display and up to a 30-inch display (2560 by 1600 pixels) on an external display." Reference, http://www.apple.com/imac/specs/

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The 5,120-by-2,880-pixel image hosted on Apple's website is sized at exactly twice the width and height of the 2,560 by 1,440 pixels found in today's 27-inch iMac and 27-inch Apple Thunderbolt display.

I figured they'd stop at 4K rather than double it but it does allow them to have direct pixel mapping with the current resolution. I don't suppose it would matter if lower machines couldn't drive the full resolution because they can just run the display at 2560 x 1440 like they do now.

If they can make a Cinema display at that resolution for $999, the competition is going to struggle to match it because they are selling 4K 30" displays for way higher than that.
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I'm still waiting for some sort of dock that connects to thunderbolt, like sony did for the vaio Z.

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The 5,120-by-2,880-pixel image hosted on Apple's website is sized at exactly twice the width and height of the 2,560 by 1,440 pixels found in today's 27-inch iMac and 27-inch Apple Thunderbolt display.

I figured they'd stop at 4K rather than double it but it does allow them to have direct pixel mapping with the current resolution. I don't suppose it would matter if lower machines couldn't drive the full resolution because they can just run the display at 2560 x 1440 like they do now.

If they can make a Cinema display at that resolution for $999, the competition is going to struggle to match it because they are selling 4K 30" displays for way higher than that.

The thing is that Apple doesn't need 30% margins on Displays. Actually, a good display will only make people want more macs... So they can sell it without nice profits and profit (pun) later.

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The new iMacs are already pretty expensive* -- worth it, totally, as I just got one a couple of months ago -- but still expensive.  I can't believe that they would be at a manageable price point with a Retina display.  Not to mention, the screen is already just gorgeous as it is.

 

Now, Apple selling their own 4k displays?  That seems like a no-brainer with the introduction of the Pro.

 

 

* -- I should point out that the iMac I bought wasn't exactly standard.  I went with the more expensive GPU, got a 3TB Fusion Drive, etc.  So, my iMac was a bit more expensive than stock, obviously.

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If they can make a Cinema display at that resolution for $999, the competition is going to struggle to match it because they are selling 4K 30" displays for way higher than that.

Of course you are correct, but you are just pulling that price out of your a**. Since we're playing that game, the competition will also struggle if Apple can release a 4K display for $899, $799, or even $199.

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Of course you are correct, but you are just pulling that price out of your a**. Since we're playing that game, the competition will also struggle if Apple can release a 4K display for $899, $799, or even $199.

 

But Apple could sell it for $1799, and still pressure competition.

 

And let's face it: They will be selling it to go with the Pro, mostly.  And I'm guessing the price on that will be pretty significant.

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Why do you have to wonder? Look it up..."Simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display and up to a 30-inch display (2560 by 1600 pixels) on an external display." Reference, http://www.apple.com/imac/specs/

Cool thanks. Looks like it won't be able to do a 4k or retina display though.
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I'm still waiting for some sort of dock that connects to thunderbolt, like sony did for the vaio Z.

Well, the 27" ThunderBolt Display is also a ThunderBolt dock…

 

And a quick Google search for 'ThunderBolt docks' shows models from Belkin, Matrox & Sonnet…

 

I am sure others are also in the works…

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dots...  connect... the... dots...   Apple doesn't release a 3 4K screen capable MacPro without a display to exploit that capability

 

 

It was a rhetorical question. Perhaps I should have put a 1wink.gif to indicate I wasn't seriously asking the question.

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I think when apple releases their first 4K product they will make it a big deal.

Perhaps a stand out feature for their apple tv, with the retina imac and thunderbolt display to soon follow

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Wouldn't a 5,120 x 2,880 display be correctly termed a 5K display (since apparently we can't go by the vertical pixel count after 1080p)? I'm already hearing Tim Cook's marketing voice in my head, "We're introducing the first commerically available 5K display. Apple Thunderbolt 5K Display."

 

Cue Resolution War II.

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I think when apple releases their first 4K product they will make it a big deal.

Perhaps a stand out feature for their apple tv, with the retina imac and thunderbolt display to soon follow

 

Loved it when Homer Simpson snuck into the U2 concert disguised as their potatoman. Back on topic, I think the higher res will hit the Thunderbolt display first IMO. The reason being that they haven't bothered to tweak the current TD with the fully laminated screen like the new iMacs have (yet). They might just jump right to 4K and do both of those steps at once.

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Oh, I found this funny:

 

"Speculation about a 27-inch Retina display from Apple also comes as new rumorspublished this week by hit-or-miss publication DigiTimes claim that Apple is planning to release a new iMac in the second half of calendar 2013."

 

Talk about being generous!

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Ok where are the screen shots of Mavericks?
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Ironic really considering your arrogant attitude. 

I am sorry, but "Who the hell" caused you to be deluded into thinking he was ACTUALLY meaning XI ???

Yes ignorance everywhere and you sir have just been added to the list 1wink.gif

Well, the guy did say OS XI.
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If they can make a Cinema display at that resolution for $999, the competition is going to struggle to match it because they are selling 4K 30" displays for way higher than that.

I was wondering what the prices are, and found:

1. Sharp $5,350 ...but it's a TV, not a computer display - BIG difference
2. Ah, here's their computer monitor, $5,500
3. And one from Asus, $5,000

To easily understand these monitors, should they price 4k monitors for, say, 4k¿
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I was wondering what the prices are, and found:

1. Sharp $5,350 ...but it's a TV, not a computer display - BIG difference
2. Ah, here's their computer monitor, $5,500
3. And one from Asus, $5,000

To easily understand these monitors, should they price 4k monitors for, say, 4k¿

 

Wonder how much this one will be? http://www.techradar.com/us/news/computing/pc/new-asus-4k-computer-monitor-to-debut-in-june-1156105

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Hopefully this will bring a 24-inch Thunderbolt display as well.

 

Why?


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OS X 10.9 is the end of the line, not the beginning of a new one... After 10.9, comes 11 

 

Who says? Why? Explain. Hint: you're totally wrong.

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I figured they'd stop at 4K rather than double it but it does allow them to have direct pixel mapping with the current resolution. I don't suppose it would matter if lower machines couldn't drive the full resolution because they can just run the display at 2560 x 1440 like they do now.

If they can make a Cinema display at that resolution for $999, the competition is going to struggle to match it because they are selling 4K 30" displays for way higher than that.


I figured that too, especially as it's the typical resolution gpu drivers stop at currently. I think you're focused on the wrong thing here, in spite of your recent victories in terms of predictions. What matters is when they can release a 4K display

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I honestly think that Apple will, at some point, release a 4k screen %u2013 that's obvious. However I am positive that the inclusion of this Wall paper is just because the Mac Pro can run monitors at 4k. They would want a wallpaper that could support it when someone plops down the cash for the pro, it would look pretty lame if you connect all that stuff together and the Mac Pro had a signature wallpaper too small for the screen it's boasting it can support.
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Looks like Anandtech is claiming the Asus PQ321 4K display will go for $3,799. http://www.anandtech.com/show/7051/computex-2013-asus-pq321-3840-x-2160-display-3799

I think I have to go with PhilBoogie and agree that a 4K display from Apple will be at least $4K.
 

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Firstly I don't get the Mavericks and Sarah Palin thing. Mavericks is awesome and leaves open an infinite possibility of cool surf spot names. How about "bone yards" or "sunset" or back yards" or "hookipa" or "kirra" or cloud break" or "g land" or "teahupoo" ... endless...

In regards to the display, when they first mentioned the 4k thunderbolt display I right away checked the specs for the 27inch screen. Had missed something? I hadn't. The current 27 inch screen isn't a 4K model. That said, I expect they will launch a 4K panel sooner rather than later.

Given they talked about, IIRC, iconic California locales I'm not even certain they've limited themselves to surf spots and while as evocative as Windansea, The Shores, Black's, Swami's or Trestles might be for me or anyone else with every Beach Boys album ever released, lol, there are other things such as Yosemite Valley, Half Dome and such that might spread the theme around.... OR beaches rather than just breaks. 

 

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Of course you are correct, but you are just pulling that price out of your a**. Since we're playing that game, the competition will also struggle if Apple can release a 4K display for $899, $799, or even $199.

$999 is the price of their current Thunderbolt display - they tend to try to maintain their price points. As others pointed out to me, the iPad didn't go up in price after going Retina. The MBPs did but I think SSD played a part there too. The display is kind of overpriced now - I think that's how they maintain the price points, similar to consoles. Lower margins at the start but maintain the prices to profit more before the refresh. Manufacturers like Dell sometimes start higher than Apple but they keep dropping prices over time.

The iMacs did go up in price with the laminated displays by $100 so maybe they'll have to increase it a bit but I doubt they'll want to be going above $1499.
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I figured that too, especially as it's the typical resolution gpu drivers stop at currently. I think you're focused on the wrong thing here, in spite of your recent victories in terms of predictions. What matters is when they can release a 4K display

I had a look through the ole posts. I even had 6 Thunderbolt ports with multiple controllers originally - they ended up using 3 controllers after all. I had a single Xeon Cube, a single AMD 7970 (around the same performance as the FirePro) and a Xeon Phi co-processor, which was dropped later after seeing how much they cost:

http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/150659/tim-cook-confirms-updated-mac-pro-coming-in-2013/120

I love this quote from nht:

"the box Marvin suggests can't have the same amount of GPU and dedicated hardware that the current Mac Pro can support running at the same speeds that they do today"

They even made it smaller than mine.

"My Cube would have 6 Thunderbolt ports with 16 lanes for the GPU"

This is where they benefitted from PCIe 3 because they could use half the lanes for the Thunderbolt ports to leave enough for two GPUs and storage.

As for the timing of the 4K display, it can't come out before these Thunderbolt 2 ports arrive. Given that Apple typically markets these alongside laptops, I don't think it's too far-fetched to assume that every Mac (besides the Air obviously) will get Thunderbolt 2. This could mean no iMac, Mini, MBP either until the Mac Pro arrives. I don't suppose TB 2 would be all that big of a hold up to manufacture but I don't know why they bothered with Redwood Ridge when Falcon Ridge was only a few months out. I bet some of the Thunderbolt peripheral makers have been holding off for Falcon Ridge.
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The 4K seems to make sense for HDTV devices connected via AppleTV and Airplay to have such a large wallpaper, or multiple displays [3 across] to have one contiguous wallpaper split across 3 views.
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This is just speculation on my part, but I think it's a given that new Cinema Displays are on their way to take advantage of the new Mac Pro's capabilities. The obvious question being when.

That is easy, in the fall.

I say that because I imagine Apple introducing the Mac Pro as a system with new display and a disk array solution.
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I'm holding onto my 2010 BTO i7 iMac until it doesn't run the current operating system, or a retina iMac is released- whichever comes first.  1smile.gif  I would be thrilled if it happened this year, but I highly doubt it.  2014 seems more believable.  It will be very interesting to see how this year's iMac is refreshed without Retina.  Curious if fusion becomes standard (that would be awesome).

At the rate they are improving SSDs, fusion may very well be outdated. Look at the new Airs to see how far they have come.
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