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Jimmac?  BR?  tonton?  Other lefty loos?  

 

 

I will start by giving our resident lefties an opportunity to come clean.  Give yourself the the cathartic experience of admitting you were wrong.  Admit that he has been every bit has bad (and worse) than we told you he would be.  Do it for your own soul.   But until then....

 

This president is now unquestionably the worst, most incompetent, most radical president we've ever had.  He reeks of arrogant presumption, naivety and raw "win any cost" Chicago machine politics.  The results of his polices and ideas are clear, and have been disastrous.  To win elections, he first prayed on the noble hopes and dreams of Americans weary of war and economic difficulty, and then set out to destroy a successful and decent businessman.  He accomplished both, thanks to the uneducated "takers," an unprecedented and shrewd political operation, and a criminally biased media.   

 

And now his failures are laid bare.  He and his administration pushed through the disastrous Obamacare, which is raising premiums by orders of magnitude, raising taxes, and not more getting people insured--all at a cost of trillions.  His tax increases and failed, pork-laden "stimulus" hurt the economy and businesses...not helped.  He and his Chicago cabal leaked important, classified details about the bin Laden raid for political purposes.  His Attorney General ran a gun walking operation, resulting in the death of many Americans---and then lied about it under oath.  The same AG refused to prosecute clear voter intimidation in Philadelphia. 

 

After months of warnings, the President and his Secretary of State refused to bolster security in Benghazi.  Once notified of the attack, the President said "do whatever needs to be done" and went to bed to rest up for his big day of campaigning the following day.  The result was four dead Americans, including Chris Stevens. Then, they lied about it..blaming it on a video, putting out completely bogus talking points, sending Ambassador Susan Rice out to lie on five Sunday talk shows---and because there was an election 6 weeks away.   They continue to lie to this day.  No one will answer who finally approved the bogus story.  No one will answer who gave the stand down order. But they'll be happy to blame the whole thing on a YouTube video.   

 

Obama's IRS has admitted targeting conservative groups and individuals.  His IRS commissioner visited the White House 157 times more often than Bush's, but we don't get to know what they talked about. Private tax data for conservative donors was leaked to liberal advocacy groups.  The IRS spends $50 million on conferences, complete with $60,000 Star Trek videos.   It audits those conservatives who apply for tax exempt status for their groups.  Why?  Because they deserved it.  And don't expect anyone to testify about it.  See, they need nothing wrong...nothing at all.  And our President found out about the whole thing on evening news.  OK.  

 

This man railed against NSA snooping as a Senator.  He condemned the Bush Administration in the strongest possible terms for surveilling suspected terrorists calling regions with know terrorist ties, all with the advice and consent of Congressional leaders.  Now, his NSA is not just collecting trillions of bytes of metadata from every phone call made, but storing the actual content of calls, e-mails, social network content and other data for every man, woman and child in this country, and perhaps the world.  But it's legal...no one is listening to your phone calls, he says.  Except no one made that accusation, did they, Mr. President?  

 

Our economy is still stagnant.  Energy prices are sky high.  Our debt is massive and unsustainable.  And the President is running around claiming that an $80 billion cut in the Federal Budget due to the sequestration he proposed causes him to have to cancel White House tours.  Pardon me, I mean that the Secret Service told him that's what he has to do.  You see, nothing is his fault.  He found out about on the news.  

 

The post-partisan, post-racial President has never stopped campaigning.  He has operated with total disregard for good faith and intellectual honesty when dealing with his political opposition.  He makes a deal and reneges the very next day.  He attacks Republicans at every turn, and then invites them to breakfast (or vice versa).  He injects himself into controversies in deeply personal terms (e.g. Trayvon Martin) and then says his family is off limits.  He's angry, petulant, and doesn't seem to know how to govern.  It's all political to him.  He's out there right now talking about how "we can't just let the people at the top do well."   He's out there right now mocking and deriding his opposition.   Meanwhile, the lies continue. The economy struggles.  The apologies for American continue.  Iran's march to the bomb continues.  China's rise continues.  Kim Jong-Un's crazy threats continue.  Assad continues to gas his own people.  The Muslim Brotherhood owns Egypt.  Terrorists who scream Allah Akbar while gunning down people at Fort Hood have their acts labeled "workplace violence."   People are hurting.  America is seen as weak.  And our President is out there blaming it oj a YouTube video and saying he learned about it from Andersen Cooper and Chris Matthews.   One has to ask:  Who the hell is running the country?  

 

At best, our President is an incompetent, inexperienced Chief Executive who simply has the wrong ideas.  At worst, he's a lying, political thug with a radical ideology involving massive expansion of both the dependency class and the government itself.   Either way, it's bad and must stop.  He has clearly and deliberately violated the Constitution.  He has exposed this nation to extreme danger.  He has lied.  He has been asleep at the switch.  He has conducted an assassination campaign across the globe, with targets ranging from bona fide terrorists to U.S. citizen suspects.  His administration has violated the 1st and 4th Amendments by silencing political opposition through the IRS and federal bureaucracy, by forcing religious organizations to violate their principles, and by watching every move every American citizen makes.  

 

We cannot wait until 2017 to reclaim our government, and our nation.  While I have opposed calling for impeachment, I fear it is the only way.  Obama's shredding of the Constitution is more than enough grounds.  Benghazi.  IRS.  NSA.  Fast and Furious.  Stimulus slush fund.  Debt, Deficits.  Massive tax increases.  Obamacare.  Military weakness.  "You didn't build that."  The list goes on.    Obama must go.  This disaster must end.  Enough is enough.  Biden may be an idiotic tool, but I don't think he's a radical, criminal, corrupt idiotic tool.  Let's choose that over what he have.  

I can only please one person per day.  Today is not your day.  Tomorrow doesn't look good either.  
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Jimmac?  BR?  tonton?  Other lefty loos?  

 

 

I will start by giving our resident lefties an opportunity to come clean.  Give yourself the the cathartic experience of admitting you were wrong.  Admit that he has been every bit has bad (and worse) than we told you he would be.  Do it for your own soul.   But until then....

 

This president is now unquestionably the worst, most incompetent, most radical president we've ever had.  He reeks of arrogant presumption, naivety and raw "win any cost" Chicago machine politics.  The results of his polices and ideas are clear, and have been disastrous.  To win elections, he first prayed on the noble hopes and dreams of Americans weary of war and economic difficulty, and then set out to destroy a successful and decent businessman.  He accomplished both, thanks to the uneducated "takers," an unprecedented and shrewd political operation, and a criminally biased media.   

 

And now his failures are laid bare.  He and his administration pushed through the disastrous Obamacare, which is raising premiums by orders of magnitude, raising taxes, and not more getting people insured--all at a cost of trillions.  His tax increases and failed, pork-laden "stimulus" hurt the economy and businesses...not helped.  He and his Chicago cabal leaked important, classified details about the bin Laden raid for political purposes.  His Attorney General ran a gun walking operation, resulting in the death of many Americans---and then lied about it under oath.  The same AG refused to prosecute clear voter intimidation in Philadelphia. 

 

After months of warnings, the President and his Secretary of State refused to bolster security in Benghazi.  Once notified of the attack, the President said "do whatever needs to be done" and went to bed to rest up for his big day of campaigning the following day.  The result was four dead Americans, including Chris Stevens. Then, they lied about it..blaming it on a video, putting out completely bogus talking points, sending Ambassador Susan Rice out to lie on five Sunday talk shows---and because there was an election 6 weeks away.   They continue to lie to this day.  No one will answer who finally approved the bogus story.  No one will answer who gave the stand down order. But they'll be happy to blame the whole thing on a YouTube video.   

 

Obama's IRS has admitted targeting conservative groups and individuals.  His IRS commissioner visited the White House 157 times more often than Bush's, but we don't get to know what they talked about. Private tax data for conservative donors was leaked to liberal advocacy groups.  The IRS spends $50 million on conferences, complete with $60,000 Star Trek videos.   It audits those conservatives who apply for tax exempt status for their groups.  Why?  Because they deserved it.  And don't expect anyone to testify about it.  See, they need nothing wrong...nothing at all.  And our President found out about the whole thing on evening news.  OK.  

 

This man railed against NSA snooping as a Senator.  He condemned the Bush Administration in the strongest possible terms for surveilling suspected terrorists calling regions with know terrorist ties, all with the advice and consent of Congressional leaders.  Now, his NSA is not just collecting trillions of bytes of metadata from every phone call made, but storing the actual content of calls, e-mails, social network content and other data for every man, woman and child in this country, and perhaps the world.  But it's legal...no one is listening to your phone calls, he says.  Except no one made that accusation, did they, Mr. President?  

 

Our economy is still stagnant.  Energy prices are sky high.  Our debt is massive and unsustainable.  And the President is running around claiming that an $80 billion cut in the Federal Budget due to the sequestration he proposed causes him to have to cancel White House tours.  Pardon me, I mean that the Secret Service told him that's what he has to do.  You see, nothing is his fault.  He found out about on the news.  

 

The post-partisan, post-racial President has never stopped campaigning.  He has operated with total disregard for good faith and intellectual honesty when dealing with his political opposition.  He makes a deal and reneges the very next day.  He attacks Republicans at every turn, and then invites them to breakfast (or vice versa).  He injects himself into controversies in deeply personal terms (e.g. Trayvon Martin) and then says his family is off limits.  He's angry, petulant, and doesn't seem to know how to govern.  It's all political to him.  He's out there right now talking about how "we can't just let the people at the top do well."   He's out there right now mocking and deriding his opposition.   Meanwhile, the lies continue. The economy struggles.  The apologies for American continue.  Iran's march to the bomb continues.  China's rise continues.  Kim Jong-Un's crazy threats continue.  Assad continues to gas his own people.  The Muslim Brotherhood owns Egypt.  Terrorists who scream Allah Akbar while gunning down people at Fort Hood have their acts labeled "workplace violence."   People are hurting.  America is seen as weak.  And our President is out there blaming it oj a YouTube video and saying he learned about it from Andersen Cooper and Chris Matthews.   One has to ask:  Who the hell is running the country?  

 

At best, our President is an incompetent, inexperienced Chief Executive who simply has the wrong ideas.  At worst, he's a lying, political thug with a radical ideology involving massive expansion of both the dependency class and the government itself.   Either way, it's bad and must stop.  He has clearly and deliberately violated the Constitution.  He has exposed this nation to extreme danger.  He has lied.  He has been asleep at the switch.  He has conducted an assassination campaign across the globe, with targets ranging from bona fide terrorists to U.S. citizen suspects.  His administration has violated the 1st and 4th Amendments by silencing political opposition through the IRS and federal bureaucracy, by forcing religious organizations to violate their principles, and by watching every move every American citizen makes.  

 

We cannot wait until 2017 to reclaim our government, and our nation.  While I have opposed calling for impeachment, I fear it is the only way.  Obama's shredding of the Constitution is more than enough grounds.  Benghazi.  IRS.  NSA.  Fast and Furious.  Stimulus slush fund.  Debt, Deficits.  Massive tax increases.  Obamacare.  Military weakness.  "You didn't build that."  The list goes on.    Obama must go.  This disaster must end.  Enough is enough.  Biden may be an idiotic tool, but I don't think he's a radical, criminal, corrupt idiotic tool.  Let's choose that over what he have.  

 

Almost every liberal I know here in California started out with some (naive) impression of "hope and change"™. 1eek.gif  (Look back to my skeptical posts here about that, in 2008!). Now, however, the majority of these same people loathe this administration as much as my conservative friends do, but for a somewhat different set of reasons. ObamaCorp has equalled, or even exceeded (if possible) the previous administration in plumbing the depths of lies, criminality, nepotism, constitution-wrecking, authoritarianism, unaccountability, cover-ups, etc. etc.

 

I too look forward in 2017, to an opportunity for we the people to reclaim the government so that it is to be in service of we the people; such would be a 180 degree change from the previous 16 years of infamy. But I am not so naive as to be under the impression that America can reverse the "slow motion coup d'état" if either the Republican or Democratic parties are to remain in alternate charge, as has been happening for countless decades. Why are we willing to believe that either of these outmoded and proven failures is capable of putting nation before party, when the evidence consistently suggests otherwise? 

 

Those who voted for Obama were either under the spell of late 2008, or had taken leave of their marbles, or had bought into the notion of "anything but Bush". What kind of administration will take the reins in 2017? More of the same, unless we the people kick the habit of voting in those who act against our interests. 

 

Repeating the same action, expecting a different result, is a classic definition of insanity.

"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming". VP Cheney, 3/29/2006. Interview by Tony Snow
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"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming". VP Cheney, 3/29/2006. Interview by Tony Snow
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Benghazi--not a scandal.

IRS thing--no Obama involvement.

NSA--would have happened if Mitt were in office.

 

I'm definitely not happy with Obama, but the alternative is just far worse.  With the reality-denying Republicans in office, we'd see the social safety net completely gutted, healthcare revoked from millions, global climate change completely ignored, the siphon of cash from the poor to the rich turned from medium to OH-****-THAT'S-FAST, the rights of women trampled, and institutionalized oppression of gays reinstated.

 

In a two party system, with the Republican party as it currently exists, there's only one pragmatic choice for sane, empathetic, reality-minded people.  Hint--it's not the shit you're selling, SDW.

 

“The nitrogen in our DNA, the calcium in our teeth, the iron in our blood, the carbon in our apple pies were made in the interiors of collapsing stars. We are made of starstuff.” 
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“The nitrogen in our DNA, the calcium in our teeth, the iron in our blood, the carbon in our apple pies were made in the interiors of collapsing stars. We are made of starstuff.” 
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The notion that Obama is the most incompetent and radical president ever is also so fucking laughable.  Someone has really been drinking the Kool-Aid there.  Nixon started the EPA.  FDR's New Deal was far more sweeping than anything Obama has done.  Obamacare is straight out of the Heritage Foundation.  It's mind-blowing that you are such a blind partisan hack that you can't see Obama for the slightly right of center pragmatist he is.

 

“The nitrogen in our DNA, the calcium in our teeth, the iron in our blood, the carbon in our apple pies were made in the interiors of collapsing stars. We are made of starstuff.” 
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“The nitrogen in our DNA, the calcium in our teeth, the iron in our blood, the carbon in our apple pies were made in the interiors of collapsing stars. We are made of starstuff.” 
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Benghazi--not a scandal.

IRS thing--no Obama involvement.

NSA--would have happened if Mitt were in office.

 

I'm definitely not happy with Obama, but the alternative is just far worse.  With the reality-denying Republicans in office, we'd see the social safety net completely gutted, healthcare revoked from millions, global climate change completely ignored, the siphon of cash from the poor to the rich turned from medium to OH-****-THAT'S-FAST, the rights of women trampled, and institutionalized oppression of gays reinstated.

 

How ironic of you to post this while accusing others of being detached from reality.

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

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The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

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Benghazi--not a scandal.

IRS thing--no Obama involvement.

NSA--would have happened if Mitt were in office.

 

I'm definitely not happy with Obama, but the alternative is just far worse.  With the reality-denying Republicans in office, we'd see the social safety net completely gutted, healthcare revoked from millions, global climate change completely ignored, the siphon of cash from the poor to the rich turned from medium to OH-****-THAT'S-FAST, the rights of women trampled, and institutionalized oppression of gays reinstated.

 

How ironic of you to post this while accusing others of being detached from reality.

 

What, specifically, did he get wrong?

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Lookin' in from the outside, I guess he's doing all right. It always surprises and stuns me (and probably the rest of the thinking world) when he and his "liberal" ilk are accused of being "Left Wing". Like really, he may not be as far to the right as say, Mussolini, but he is certainly way right of center relative to the rest of the world. You know the rest of the world? It's where the majority of people live and where America fights its wars.

 

Now sure, the drone thing and the NSA thing (to name a few) is freaky disturbing, but no more than what we in the rest of the world expect. And as stated above, it's probably no worse than what would have been happening under other likely alternative. His attempts at gun control and health care reform seem mostly sensible, if a bit short sighted. But small steps are probably what is required to keep the Ayn Rand set from frothing too much at the mouth and having their heads spin off like a deleted scene from The Exorcist.

 

The global financial crisis didn't do anything to help his economic performance, particularly seeing as The Banks and other financial corporates who were largely responsible for the whole thing anyway couldn't be allowed to fail (bail us out but don't dare regulate us - how's that for Capitalism). Having to wage a couple of dubious wars also didn't help the bottom line, let alone fund the various security apparatuses which seem to have demanded huge amounts of money and power and have achieved, to use a technical term, sod all. Like, even when family members (ala Times Square and the Underpants bombers) and other "Organs of State Security" (the Boston bomber) attempt to inform your security services of a danger, nothing happens.

 

So all in all Obama, given the ludicrous constraints of the environment he's working in, is less unsuccessful than perhaps expected, but less successful than what was hoped for.

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Lucky for us Victor Davis Hanson wrote his recent piece in a manner that reflects someone denying all the Obama scandals, practicing his favorite tu quoque fallacy, and of course the customary ad-hom.

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Benghazi--not a scandal. - denial

IRS thing--no Obama involvement. - denial

NSA--would have happened if Mitt were in office. - tu quoque

 

I'm definitely not happy with Obama, but the alternative is just far worse.  With the reality-denying Republicans in office - tu quoque, we'd see the social safety net completely gutted, healthcare revoked from millions, global climate change completely ignored, the siphon of cash from the poor to the rich turned from medium to OH-****-THAT'S-FAST, the rights of women trampled, and institutionalized oppression of gays reinstated.

 

In a two party system, with the Republican party as it currently exists, there's only one pragmatic choice for sane, empathetic, reality-minded people.  Hint--it's not the shit you're selling, SDW. - Ad-hom

 

 

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Benghazi -

 

Benghazi differs from all the other scandals — and from both Watergate and Iran-Contra — because in this case administration lapses led to the deaths of four Americans. Nine months later, the administration’s problems of damage control remain fourfold: (a) there was ample warning that American personnel were in danger in Libya, and yet requests for increased security were denied; (b) during the actual attack, the American tradition of sending in relief forces on the chance that fellow Americans could be saved was abrogated; (c) the president and his top officials knowingly advanced a narrative of a culpable filmmaker that they knew was not accurate; (d) a through c are best explained as resulting not from honest human error or the fog of war, but from a methodical effort to assure the public in the weeks before the election that “lead from behind” in Libya had been a successful venture and that the death of Osama bin Laden had made al-Qaeda–inspired terrorism rare. All other concerns became secondary, including the safety of Americans in Libya.

 

Until someone proves that the administration was not wrong in failing to beef up our posts, was not wrong in not ordering immediate succor, was not wrong in blaming the violence on a filmmaker, and was not wrong in covering up the truth by promoting a demonstrably false narrative, the scandal will not go away.

 

Those four points are called reasoning based on facts. They are not blanket denials with personal attacks thrown in.

 

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IRS -

the IRS mess potentially affects every American. When the IRS comes calling, Americans cannot employ the sort of obfuscation and dissimulation that the IRS itself now employs. Try taking the Fifth Amendment with an IRS auditor or claiming that a suspicious visit to a business associate was due to an Easter-egg roll, and then see how well your audit goes. Because the system of voluntary tax compliance collapses without honesty and nonpartisanship, our entire tax-collection apparatus is now suspect. Every prominent conservative from now on, every tea-party-like nonprofit organization, every Republican political donor will assume, rightly or wrongly, that the next IRSletter in the mail is not legitimate, but prompted by Obama-era politics.

 

I don’t see how the reputation of the IRS can quite recover, especially given reports of its repugnant waste of money on entertainment and frivolity, at a time of sequester belt-tightening (e.g., why do travelers suffer airline delays supposedly due to thinned-out air-traffic controllers, while IRS agents play-act Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock in a $60,000 parody video?), coupled with the fact that 47 percent of the public pays no federal income tax at all. Add it all up, and there is now a historic opportunity for principled reformers to do away with the IRS as we know it, and to rebrand it as a collection agency for a flat federal income tax. Will a new gang of eight address “comprehensive tax-collection reform”?

 

So far, we know that the administration’s story that IRS malfeasance was confined to a single regional office cannot be true. If it turns out that Washington IRS officials were communicating with the Obama administration about inordinate scrutiny of political opponents, then the scandal will reach Nixonian proportions.

 

Don't say everyone does it, because it hasn't happened in this manner before and you are dismissing it before the facts are even out. The facts are that officials are taking the fifth to avoid self incrimination, there was clearly an enemies list, information leaked, and we are certainly at the point of needing to know what Obama knew and when did he know it during all those visits.

 

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The problem with the NSA monitoring is not just Obama’s hypocrisy of once decrying elements of the Patriot Act only to embrace them, or indeed expand upon them. By now, everyone knows that what Obama demagogued in 2008 was what he adopted in 2009. Nor is the problem that the U.S. does not have a need to monitor the communications of potential terrorists who plan attacks through the Internet, e-mail, and cell phones. Rather, the dilemma for the Obama administration is that the apparently vastly expanded NSA surveillance came at a time when, in high-profile terrorist cases — the Tsarnaev bombing, Major Hasan’s murder spree — U.S. officials did not use the intelligence in their possession to preempt terrorist acts. Fairly or not, there is the impression that a James Rosen of Fox News or the tea-party affiliates were more likely to earn unlawful federal attention than was a possible terrorist. In the present climate, the NSA will be presumed guilty of something until proven innocent.

 

And of course the NSA disclosures do not appear in a vacuum, but amid a multitude of other scandals in which the administration’s initial explanations have proven deceptive. In other words, if even a few cases emerge in which those who by no stretch of the imagination could be suspected of terrorism were monitored, then the NSA disclosures will prove by far the most damaging of all the scandals.

 

To sum it up in a manner simple enough that even someone like BR can understand, Obama sold out his principles, sold out your rights and didn't even do it to keep you safe. Rather it was more likely that you'd be tapped for surveillance if you were part of the enemies list of being a Tea Party member than if you were an actual terrorist.

 

Finally he puts it together at the end.....

 

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Finally, the common denominator in these transgressions is that they all predated the 2012 election, were kept secret from the public, and emerged only once Barack Obama was safely elected. In that regard, they were successful operations that ensured that the voters went to the polls with the impression that al-Qaeda–inspired terror was rare, Libya was secure, the Tea Party had deflated and disappeared, and their unheralded president was, as the good leaks showed, in the shadows successfully fighting terrorists by drone, computer, SEAL teams, and double agents. The later whistle-blowers — the State Department’s Gregory Hicks, the NSA’s Edward Snowden, and Lois Lerner of the IRS in her psychodramatic response to the set-up questioner – were supposed Obama supporters and came forward only after the election. Note also the clear administration lying: Susan Rice reiterating the false story about a culpable filmmaker and a spontaneous demonstration; Jay Carney sticking to his lie about a single change in administration talking points; Eric Holder misleading Congress by assuring the House Judiciary Committee that he would not do what he in fact did in the James Rosen case; James Clapper insisting to Congress that the NSA collects data only under strict court supervision.

 

Paranoia over reelection, in classic Nixon style, is the common key that unlocks much of the mystery surrounding the administration’s reckless, unethical, and often unlawful behavior.

 

People forget when discussing Nixon that he was actually a very successful president. He actually did increase American respect through out the world. He did go to China. He did end the Vietnam War. He created the EPA as another example. He was reelected with 60% of the vote and won in a landslide.

 

The problem wasn't his performance or his policies. The problem was he used the IRS, the CIA and the FBI to harass and intimidate his opponents. If it sounds familiar, it is because it is becoming increasingly clear that this is what Obama has done and if we had a real media and someone investigating this, it would be fully discovered.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

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Benghazi--not a scandal.

IRS thing--no Obama involvement.

NSA--would have happened if Mitt were in office.

 

I'm definitely not happy with Obama, but the alternative is just far worse.  With the reality-denying Republicans in office, we'd see the social safety net completely gutted, healthcare revoked from millions, global climate change completely ignored, the siphon of cash from the poor to the rich turned from medium to OH-****-THAT'S-FAST, the rights of women trampled, and institutionalized oppression of gays reinstated.

 

In a two party system, with the Republican party as it currently exists, there's only one pragmatic choice for sane, empathetic, reality-minded people.  Hint--it's not the shit you're selling, SDW.

 

Benghazi not a scandal?  LOL.  They LIED about what caused it. Multiple times.  They refuse to identify who gave the stand down order.  They refuse to reveal the President's whereabouts during the attack.  They knew the consulate was in danger and refused to bolster security.  They KNEW a YouTube video had nothing to do with it, nor was it spontaneous...and they LIED.  Four Americans are dead, but it's not a scandal.  Oh, OK.  

 

IRS "thing:"  I never claimed there was direct Obama involvement.  In fact, I'd be wholly surprised if there was anything that could be documented.  What I do know is he lied about how he found out.  If he didn't, he's a an incompetent boob.  The President found out from the news?  The NEWS?  I also know that he's responsible for setting the tone.  He's been the most partisan and divisive figure I've seen in my lifetime.  But hey, it's not his fault.  I mean, government is just too big for him to know what the hell is happening, right?  

 

NSA:  Yes, it would have happened.  But it wouldn't have been handled the same way.  And coupled with everything else, it raises the larger issue of trust in government.  The IRS scandal is not just an IRS scandal, nor is Benghazi just about Benghazi.  This administration has shown a pattern of unbelievable deceit.  Their statements--even the President's own words--contradict each other almost on a daily basis.  We didn't just have the IRS targeting Tea Party groups.  No...we had audits of businesses and the people that own them.  We had OHSA, ATF and FBI investigations triggered right after the groups in questions dared apply for tax exempt status.  We had donors' info leaked to liberal advocacy groups.  And all of this was happening while the President's campaign called out Romney donors by name on his website--calling them less than reputable.  And we're supposed to trust these people?  

 

 

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The notion that Obama is the most incompetent and radical president ever is also so fucking laughable.  Someone has really been drinking the Kool-Aid there.  Nixon started the EPA.  FDR's New Deal was far more sweeping than anything Obama has done.  Obamacare is straight out of the Heritage Foundation.  It's mind-blowing that you are such a blind partisan hack that you can't see Obama for the slightly right of center pragmatist he is.

 

Are you claiming that Nixon was incompetent?  I've heard a lot of things about the man, but I've never heard anyone call him that.  As trumpt notes, people don't realize that while corrupt and drunk with power, Nixon was actually a very successful President.  I'm not sure why you'd raise FDR, either. FDR was a progressive in the truest sense, and did many things I disagree with.  On the other hand, the man was dealing with an economic crisis that makes 2008 look like a picnic. Moreover, we were at a different starting point.  We didn't even have Social Security when he came into office.  One could argue that at the time, we as a nation needed more in the way of general welfare.  

 

As for me, I don't care about the politics of this anymore.   That time has passed.  The good news is that it seems as if even many liberal Democrats feel the same way.  

 

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Originally Posted by groakes View Post

Lookin' in from the outside, I guess he's doing all right. It always surprises and stuns me (and probably the rest of the thinking world) when he and his "liberal" ilk are accused of being "Left Wing". Like really, he may not be as far to the right as say, Mussolini, but he is certainly way right of center relative to the rest of the world. You know the rest of the world? It's where the majority of people live and where America fights its wars.

 

There is nothing inaccurate about that statement, but it doesn't mean anything.  Him being centrist or even to the right of the rest of the world has nothing to do with shredding our Constitution and being a terrible, lying president.   

 

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Now sure, the drone thing and the NSA thing (to name a few) is freaky disturbing, but no more than what we in the rest of the world expect. And as stated above, it's probably no worse than what would have been happening under other likely alternative. His attempts at gun control and health care reform seem mostly sensible, if a bit short sighted. But small steps are probably what is required to keep the Ayn Rand set from frothing too much at the mouth and having their heads spin off like a deleted scene from The Exorcist.

 

Ah, the outsider...the voice of reason.  Because we here in American just cannot share your enlightened perspective.  And that perspective is "uhhh...this would have happened anyway!!!"   Great.  

 

 

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The global financial crisis didn't do anything to help his economic performance, particularly seeing as The Banks and other financial corporates who were largely responsible for the whole thing anyway couldn't be allowed to fail (bail us out but don't dare regulate us - how's that for Capitalism).

 

Yes, nothing is his fault.  Newsflash:  He didn't cause the crisis, but he didn't help the recovery, either. That's the point.

 

 

 

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Having to wage a couple of dubious wars also didn't help the bottom line, let alone fund the various security apparatuses which seem to have demanded huge amounts of money and power and have achieved, to use a technical term, sod all. Like, even when family members (ala Times Square and the Underpants bombers) and other "Organs of State Security" (the Boston bomber) attempt to inform your security services of a danger, nothing happens.

 

So all in all Obama, given the ludicrous constraints of the environment he's working in, is less unsuccessful than perhaps expected, but less successful than what was hoped for.

 

Again...NOTHING is his fault.  You see, he had to expand many of the Bush policies you all railed against.  He HAD to spend trillions on a wasteful, pork-laden "stimulus."  He HAD to push for Obamacare.  He HAD to keep Afghanistan and Iraq going.  Poor Obama...our expectations were just too high.  I mean, it can't be that he's just wrong, can it?  It can't be that he's a horrible leader, can it?  

 

I can only please one person per day.  Today is not your day.  Tomorrow doesn't look good either.  
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