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The traffic data is so-so and it re-routed wrong for me both times I used it.

'Both times'. The first and last, you mean?
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I don't see why all the hate towards google.

Really?

That's what Glass can do to you!

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Also if I open the maps app it remembers the search I did.

Amazing isn't it? Google implemented cookies. "Cookies!" I say!
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You may be the insane one.  Why did they just announce adding vector for android unless they went backwards and decided to return. And they announced flyover  days before Apple's announcement after all of the leaks said what Apple was going to announce.  Notice how long it took to copy it.  They were just trying to divert attention.

Actually they were holding Apple, who helped them improve their mobile maps, back by limiting them to tile based maps.  Google did not have vectors as a part of the OS until 6 months after Apple's maps were released.  Their developers were being limited just like Apple was.     http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/12/android-apps-get-vector-maps/

You obviously didn't read the article.
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Google has just announced the new Google Maps API that will let Android developers use the same vector-based data that Google Maps has been using for some time.
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You're head isn't that deeply buried in the sand is it?

Google announced the 'flyover' before apple did (http://www.iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=22411
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Google has had vector based maps since 2010 (http://downloadsquad.switched.com/2010/12/07/google-maps-5-0-for-android-goes-vector-for-faster-loading-zoom/
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You guys are all insane.

But was it available on iOS that long ago or just Android like turn by turn?
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There's no way they paid 1B.
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But was it available on iOS that long ago or just Android like turn by turn?

You have to remember that the iOS maps app was built by Apple using Google's map data. Is there any proof that Apple requested to include turn by turn and was told no?
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post #86 of 130
"As of April, Waze had more than 40 million people actively using its service and contributing data" And after announcement, 20-30 Mill, after ads and messing with program, 5-10Mill. Well, off to look for alternative app's... I'm going to miss my crown... :(

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post #87 of 130
"Is there any proof that Apple requested to include turn by turn and was told no?"

Tim said in an interview that one of the reasons they rushed out the new Apple maps wa so they could add turn by turn directions. I'll bet there was some kind of restriction in the original agreement that Google held them too. Google probably figured that was a great marketing point for Android and there was nothing Apple could do. I think they severely underestimated how much Apple hates to be dicked by software vendors.
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post #88 of 130
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Originally Posted by PhilBoogie View Post

App deleted on my iPhone.

That is not enough. People need to voice their concern with the FTC. Google, Tom Tom, Navteq, and Waze are the only US companies with mapping data. Google taking over one of those companies does not benefit consumers.
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Tim said in an interview that one of the reasons they rushed out the new Apple maps wa so they could add turn by turn directions. I'll bet there was some kind of restriction in the original agreement that Google held them too. Google probably figured that was a great marketing point for Android and there was nothing Apple could do. I think they severely underestimated how much Apple hates to be dicked by software vendors.

How does a 'restriction in the original agreement' (if there was one) equate to being 'dicked'?
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post #90 of 130
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You're head isn't that deeply buried in the sand is it?

 

Google announced the 'flyover' before apple did (http://www.iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=22411)

Google has had vector based maps since 2010 (http://downloadsquad.switched.com/2010/12/07/google-maps-5-0-for-android-goes-vector-for-faster-loading-zoom/)

 

You guys are all insane.

 

The shitty version they released for iOS did not have that until Apple kicked them out and they crawled back with an updated version they should have released years ago.

 

Listen mate, Google are just another advertising business who track people for money, there is no reason to defend everything they do like a doe eyed teenage girl at a one direction concert.

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I have the New Beta Google Maps. I experimented with it for about a week but then lost interest -- it is somewhere loosely between old Google Maps and Google Earth -- not particularly well implemented or very exciting compared to the current OSX apps.

IMO, Apple Maps on an iPad is superior to both.

Early this AM, I installed OSX Maverick. Apple Maps on the desktop blows all of them away (even iOS 6 Maps on an iPad 4).... You just can't compare the ease, beauty and fun of Apple 3D Flyover with anything else out there... Nothing comes close!

 

I'm also a beta tester on the new Google Maps. Honestly, I hate what they've done. It's far less user friendly and I abandoned it after less than one day of use.

 

I'm actually a bit jealous you have Mavericks. (people need to get used to including that "s")  ;)

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There's no way they paid 1B.

They paid 12.5B for Moto mob.
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You have to remember that the iOS maps app was built by Apple using Google's map data. Is there any proof that Apple requested to include turn by turn and was told no?

Why wouldn't Apple want that? Google probably demanded more user data and more ads space in the app.
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Mercedes updates even the S Class. And you're a fool if you think that Google maps is a copy of Apple maps since the Apple version is the copy.

 

Copy of what?

 

Nokia maps?

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Google had vector maps on Android way before Apple used it, and most 'satellite' views were from a flyover, and vectoring wasn't in the iPhone maps app because Apple chose for it not to be until they made their own app.

 

Satellite views =/= Flyover,

 

Also, source? Or were you there in the back room meetings?

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Originally Posted by steelraven View Post

Google maps is getting better and better. I don't see why all the hate towards google.

You don't see why all the hate toward Google? For real? Hint: It's not about *maps* part but *Google* part.

 

On topic.

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You have to remember that the iOS maps app was built by Apple using Google's map data. Is there any proof that Apple requested to include turn by turn and was told no?

I take that as it wasn't on iOS then.
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I take that as it wasn't on iOS then.

Well it is now from Apple and Google.
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post #98 of 130
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But was it available on iOS that long ago or just Android like turn by turn?

That's the part that annoyed me: while understandable that bias towards "their" OS supported devices chafed.

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Re: "granularity"? On my iPhone 5 the line weight is proportional to the traffic interuption. At least that's what I see on highway routes, which are my main commuting routes of interest. Nope, just took a peek at a surface street section and there's differing red line-weights there as well.

 

Hmmm, I haven't noticed any differences in the line weights (I use an iPad 3).  I guess my issue is that the Apple Maps don't have the equivalent of the green line shown by Google Maps.  Those road segments on Apple Maps with no traffic lines either mean free flow traffic or no data.  There's no easy way to differentiate. 

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Copy of what?

Nokia maps?

According to the people on this site, anything that isn't first to market in any category is a copy. If Google was first to market in mobile mapping then Apple copied Google. If it was Nokia then that was who Apple copied.
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Hmmm, I haven't noticed any differences in the line weights (I use an iPad 3).  I guess my issue is that the Apple Maps don't have the equivalent of the green line shown by Google Maps.  Those road segments on Apple Maps with no traffic lines either mean free flow traffic or no data.  There's no easy way to differentiate. 

The no-color is a good point, differentiaing "no data" from "clear" would be welcome. 

 

I'll take a look at my iPad 3 when I get home. Even when I'm zoomed out a bit I can see the diference. Look at the 101 just north of Cupertino....

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Google maps is getting better and better. I don't see why all the hate towards google.

 

This isn't GoogleInsider...

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Listen, I am really a nobody, but what you're asking is well OUTSIDE the norm for the AVERAGE consumer. 

 

You are asking this question as a tech person - where the other 98% of the people are basic consumers - I mean - Come on!!

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Why are you comparing desktop to mobile? Stop. You're wrong.
From last summer when it was releasedhttp://google-latlong.blogspot.com/2012/06/take-flight-through-new-3d-cities-on.html
you are right this was the desktop and wrong they did not RELEASE a comparable feature for android even by last december. "Were Google to launch a 3D Maps app for Android with similar specifications to its current desktop maps product, it would only work on about 29 percent of the platform's reported installed base of devices, just like the company's Google Now, which requires Jelly Bean 4.1."
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Why are you comparing desktop to mobile? Stop. You're wrong.
From last summer when it was releasedhttp://google-latlong.blogspot.com/2012/06/take-flight-through-new-3d-cities-on.html
Google Earth is not android Maps. Its also funny that Google who does everything in beta never mentioned a word about this until May 27, 2012 Just 16 days after the first public leak about Apple dropping them and doing their own maps with flyover. http://www.todaysiphone.com/2012/05/ios-6-rumor-apple-replacing-google-maps-with-in-house-program/ What a coincidence.
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you are right this was the desktop and wrong they did not RELEASE a comparable feature for android even by last december. "Were Google to launch a 3D Maps app for Android with similar specifications to its current desktop maps product, it would only work on about 29 percent of the platform's reported installed base of devices, just like the company's Google Now, which requires Jelly Bean 4.1."

It's available in Google Earth, not Google Maps. So yes, there is a comparable feature for Android, just not in the app called “Maps".

As for your other point, neither Google Maps nor Google Earth is tied to a system version. Both are updated independently through the Play Store. Google Now is the only major system app currently tied to Jellybean. Chrome is the only system app that is tied to ICS and higher. Gmail, Calendar, Maps, Earth, YouTube, Drive, Google+, Hangouts, Navigation, Offers, Books, Magazines, Movies, Music, Translate, Voice, and Wallet are all updated regardless of Android version.

If you're going to spend so much time deriding Android, you really should learn more about it.
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It's available in Google Earth, not Google Maps. So yes, there is a comparable feature for Android, just not in the app called “Maps".

As for your other point, neither Google Maps nor Google Earth is tied to a system version. Both are updated independently through the Play Store. Google Now is the only major system app currently tied to Jellybean. Chrome is the only system app that is tied to ICS and higher. Gmail, Calendar, Maps, Earth, YouTube, Drive, Google+, Hangouts, Navigation, Offers, Books, Magazines, Movies, Music, Translate, Voice, and Wallet are all updated regardless of Android version.

If you're going to spend so much time deriding Android, you really should learn more about it.
That was a quote from an article announcing the feature. And 3D is tied to dual processors and screen resolution according to their website. Its funny how they make it hard to figure out what it works with. I know more than I want to because tech people I worked with talking people into them and then I End up having to trouble shoot them. The point is that Google rushed this feature to market after the Apple leaks to steal their thunder. The reason their I/O was so quite this year is because Apple fixed their leaky pipes and very little came out before they hit the stage outside of iRadio. By expelling Google and Samsung from access to their product pipeline, the dynamic is about to change.
post #108 of 130
I don't see what all the map hubbub is about.

I've been using apple's map for a while now and think its pretty good. Good enough that I haven't needed the g map app.

Given its that good even as it was rushed to market, and they are dedicated to continual improvement at any cost, I don't see how it doesn't keep getting better and how the google app will survive on iPhone with any relevance.

Not to mention it was a pretty great way to flip google the bird!
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It's available in Google Earth, not Google Maps. So yes, there is a comparable feature for Android, just not in the app called “Maps".

As for your other point, neither Google Maps nor Google Earth is tied to a system version. Both are updated independently through the Play Store. Google Now is the only major system app currently tied to Jellybean. Chrome is the only system app that is tied to ICS and higher. Gmail, Calendar, Maps, Earth, YouTube, Drive, Google+, Hangouts, Navigation, Offers, Books, Magazines, Movies, Music, Translate, Voice, and Wallet are all updated regardless of Android version.

If you're going to spend so much time deriding Android, you really should learn more about it.

You need to download two different apps to do the same as one app would do on iOS?  Sounds very obtuse. 

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You need to download two different apps to do the same as one app would do on iOS?  Sounds very obtuse. 

No need to download them, they're built in. But you're right, they need to unify them.
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According to the people on this site, anything that isn't first to market in any category is a copy. If Google was first to market in mobile mapping then Apple copied Google. If it was Nokia then that was who Apple copied.

Nokia was doing nicely, monetizing their NavTek purchase by selling map packs etc for their mobile maps, long before Google came on the scene with their ad revenue supported "free" maps.

In the UK Google used a killswitch to remove turn by turn directions from users who enabled it prematurely.

Of course it was Google so it was perfectly acceptable.

Apple has never resorted to doing this.
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It's available in Google Earth, not Google Maps. So yes, there is a comparable feature for Android, just not in the app called “Maps".

As for your other point, neither Google Maps nor Google Earth is tied to a system version. Both are updated independently through the Play Store. Google Now is the only major system app currently tied to Jellybean. Chrome is the only system app that is tied to ICS and higher. Gmail, Calendar, Maps, Earth, YouTube, Drive, Google+, Hangouts, Navigation, Offers, Books, Magazines, Movies, Music, Translate, Voice, and Wallet are all updated regardless of Android version.

If you're going to spend so much time deriding Android, you really should learn more about it.

I choose Google No!
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post #113 of 130
Goodbye Waze! App deleted.
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Nokia was doing nicely, monetizing their NavTek purchase by selling map packs etc for their mobile maps, long before Google came on the scene with their ad revenue supported "free" maps.

Yours isn't the worst bit of misinformation in the thread by far but Nokia didn't buy Navteq until late in 2007, well after the launch of Google Maps for mobile in 2005
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Yours isn't the worst bit of misinformation in the thread by far but Nokia didn't buy Navteq until late in 2007, well after the launch of Google Maps for mobile in 2005

The Java based version with no turn by turn and no offline caching, more a web app than anything?

Features Nokia introduced with the N95 in 2007 with inbuilt GPS and a native Symbian application.
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The Java based version with no turn by turn and no offline caching, more a web app than anything?

Features Nokia introduced with the N95 in 2007 with inbuilt GPS and a native Symbian application.

Did Nokia overpay for Navteq because they were spooked by Google's Map plans? Plausible. Nokia, Apple, Google, Samsung, MS and all the other mobile players pay attention to what works and what doesn't, what the "other guys" are doing and how they might get in on it if there's money to be made.

In any case if you move the goalposts enough you're sure to hit 'em eventually Hill. Now you've changed to Nokia rolled out their navigation app before Google rather than Nokia had their own mobile maps before Google did.. Well okay then.
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post #117 of 130
Oh, look...Google gets to ruin another great independent product. YouTube became AdTube. Waze will now go the same way.
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post #118 of 130
Someone was bound to buy them. The service was pretty good. Just sad Google bought them, though again...not surprising.

I am done with who did what first. The reality is that there isn't anything really new. I prefer Apple's experience over Google. First Apple goes to great lengths to make sure the product works. Sure there have been some misses...but compared to google wave, Google Plus, and other total disasters I will take an Apple miss any day. Google has yet to produce one product that wasn't an ad or based around ads.

Which leads me to the second reason I don't like Google. If I am not buying a product I am the product.
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Someone was bound to buy them. The service was pretty good. Just sad Google bought them, though again...not surprising.

I am done with who did what first. The reality is that there isn't anything really new. I prefer Apple's experience over Google. First Apple goes to great lengths to make sure the product works. Sure there have been some misses...but compared to google wave, Google Plus, and other total disasters I will take an Apple miss any day. Google has yet to produce one product that wasn't an ad or based around ads.

Which leads me to the second reason I don't like Google. If I am not buying a product I am the product.

Anywhere there's money to be made from your interests you become the product in some respects. Even Apple recognizes they've done a relatively poor job of "selling you" to advertisers, monetizing their user-base in effect, and will be putting a lot more upcoming emphasis on it. (search iAd workbench) There is absolutely no avoiding it. The privacy controls the different players offer us are simply pacifiers. Thank goodness that better, more effective ads to benefit commercial activities are the endgame for now. The worst you see is ad for something that has no interest for you personally.
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They basically bought it so that Apple wouldnt. They're utterly terrified they might lose the monopoly they currently have on maps at the hands of Apple. 

Google can't and won't lose their monopoly unless Apple makes their maps available on android and PC. Advertisers and programmers need to reach the entire market.  I think Apple will eventually get there.  Mavericks will have maps on desktop.  Next step is Maps on Android and PC.

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