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Inside iOS 7: Apple puts Pandora on notice with iTunes Radio

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Apple's long-awaited "iRadio" is now an official service under the name iTunes Radio, available to test by developers who have access to the iOS 7 beta.

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iTunes Radio is the first thing developers will see when they launch the revamped Music application in iOS 7. The service's functionality and performance are virtual identical to Pandora, the company that has long been the king of Internet streaming radio stations.

Users simply add a new station by searching for an artist name or song title. From there, iTunes Radio will intelligently assemble a mix of songs with a similar sound, allowing users to discover new artists.

One of the key drivers for Apple and record labels alike is music discovery. All of the content streamed through iTunes Radio is available for purchase through the iTunes Store, allowing users to own the song and listen to it at their convenience.

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Every song currently streaming features an option to purchase in the upper righthand corner. Users can simply tap the price, then select "Buy Song" to purchase the track.

More information about the current song and artist is also available with an "i" button centered at the top of iTunes Radio. From there, users can view a full list of songs from that album on the iTunes Store, or also create a new iTunes Radio Station from that artist or particular song.

The information pane also includes the necessary copyright and licensing information for that particular track. Apple has also promised that users will be able to "tune" the station, placing an emphasis on top hits, discovery, or a mix of the two, but this function does not currently appear in iOS 7.

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Users who subscribe to Apple's iTunes Match service for $24.99 per year will be able to listen to iTunes Radio without any commercial interruptions. That capability comes in addition to the scan-and-match cloud syncing functions already available through iTunes Match.

Apple has also said that iTunes Radio will use scans of a iTunes Match subscriber's entire music collection to make streaming stations more personalized.

One restriction an iTunes Match subscription doesn't appear to allow users to bypass is multiple song skips. After skipping six tracks on a specific station, the skip button will become greyed out, though users can begin streaming a new song by starting another station and returning to the previous one.

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Those who don't subscribe to iTunes Match will hear ??and see ? the occasional iAd. Currently, before its launch to the public, iTunes Radio ads are driven by Apple, prompting users to "Give the Gift of iTunes" with a quick 15-second clip. If the iPhone screen is locked, only the accompanying audio plays.

Non-subscribers will also see a "Download on iTunes" link on the iPhone lock screen when streaming content from iTunes Radio. In the current beta, iTunes Match subscribers are not presented with the advertisement on the lock screen, and will only see the appropriate album art.

Users can also launch their own iTunes Radio Stations by speaking to Siri. Simply ask the system to play a specific station saved in iTunes Radio, and the music will begin to stream.

iOS 7 is scheduled to arrive on iPhone, iPad and iPod touch this fall. AppleInsider will have ongoing in-depth coverage of Apple's new mobile operating system ahead of its public release.
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The iTunes radio icon is rather ... skeuomorphic? :)

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My audio system supports Internet radio, including the ability to hook to Pandora. I listen to Pandora a lot as a direct result. I wonder if Apple will ink some deals with the various receiver / pre-pro manufacturers so that they can compete in that space as well. I really don't listen to music using my iOS devices, unless I'm streaming something from my iTunes library to the main audio system anyway. I could perhaps do that with the new service, if it seemed worth the charge/discharge cycles.

It'll be interesting to see if Apple can do a better job of selecting "similar" music as compared to Pandora; Pandora, in my opinion anyway, does a mediocre job, and fails miserably in some areas, for instance, if I pick four songs to "seed" a channel, and all of them are notable for high profile bassists, Pandora misses the point and tries for genre, where the songs don't really fall into similarity other than "awesome bass playing." Yet if you do the same thing for guitar, eg Satriani, Hendrix, Petrucci... Pandora promptly plays back other high performance guitarists.

You'd think with just a few common instruments in rock - guitar, bass, drums, keyboard, vocals - that they'd do the obvious thing, but apparently not. I hope Apple does better.
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I'm actually looking forward to iTunes Radio... kind of wish they'd bought the name iRadio, but no complaints really.

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I'm not looking to just pile on - before yesterday I said that if it were like Pandora, I'll pass.  If like Spotify, I'm in.  To each his or her own, but it's just not for me.  I rather pay $10 per month and avoid ads + be able to search and play individual songs.

 

I'm sure it'll be very successful for Apple though, no doubt about it.

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I still like Pandora, but hopefully this will push them to improve their iOS app, and make their ads less obtrusive. (Both factors have improved over the last year--I'll give Pandora some credit for that.)

I have room on my phone for multiple streaming radios, and I like my stored Pandora channels.


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The iTunes radio icon is rather ... skeuomorphic? 1smile.gif

How so?

Icons of things are not what skeuomorphism means. Being things is more what skeuomorphism means. If the icon looked like a radio's 3D physical knob, that would be (slightly--not an actual UI control) skeuomorphic.
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The iTunes radio icon is rather ... skeuomorphic? :)

I don't think you know what skeumorphic means...

 

If the radio icon is skeumorphic, it woudl look like a realistic radio button or tuner or other radio physical features.  Having an icon of a radio is not skeumorphic.

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I don't think you know what skeumorphic means...

If the radio icon is skeumorphic, it woudl look like a realistic radio button or tuner or other radio physical features.  Having an icon of a radio is not skeumorphic.

Yep. Think about the old podcast app with the tape and revolving heads, there is your example. That look needed to go.
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The iTunes radio icon is rather ... skeuomorphic? :)

 

No, that's no what skeuomorphic means.

 

Also, not all skeuomorphic is bad. Green felt is bad.

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Yep. Think about the old podcast app with the tape and revolving heads, there is your example. That look needed to go.

 

That stuff is cool on novelty apps, but gets old on core apps you use frequently; in that case, functionality and ease-of-use is more important.

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I'm not looking to just pile on - before yesterday I said that if it were like Pandora, I'll pass.  If like Spotify, I'm in.  To each his or her own, but it's just not for me.  I rather pay $10 per month and avoid ads + be able to search and play individual songs.

 

I'm sure it'll be very successful for Apple though, no doubt about it.

 

No way the labels would let Apple do that. They have a double standard for Apple, because Apple is their cash cow and everyone else is the little guy.

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I'm not looking to just pile on - before yesterday I said that if it were like Pandora, I'll pass.  If like Spotify, I'm in.  To each his or her own, but it's just not for me.  I rather pay $10 per month and avoid ads + be able to search and play individual songs.

I'm sure it'll be very successful for Apple though, no doubt about it.

It all depends on the use case. I can pay $25 a year and listen ad free radio or have the option of listening to songs I know I like in my own library. I find it better fits my needs than paying $120 a year with nothing to show for it when you stop the subscription. Like everything else it depends on the individual.
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Amidst all the iOS and OSX news there is a little "skipped" piece. Apple TV. The keynote said it will be available for Apple TV as well. But so far I haven't heard anything about the Apple TV having a beta of iTunes Radio. Add to that the OSX Maverick presentation with a lot of emphasis on the TV screen becoming a full fledged external screen through AirPlay. I think something's boiling...
Especially if OSX and iOS interfaces have been revamped (one more, one a little less) and Apple TV has been shown no love. Mac Pro might be a "PR issue" but in sheer sales numbers Apple TV has done better. No news about an SDK, no news about a SW refresh, seems quite odd. Particularly considering the "hot fall" Cook hinted at D conference. And.... the game consoles messing around (Xbox One more than PS4, but nevertheless...).
I think Apple TV in the sense of an "Apple Branded" set top box is in the coming. And after WWDC I am more keen to bet on it than before.

I might be completely wrong though...
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Like everything else it depends on the individual.

Umm?  That's what he said. "To each his own, it's just not for me".

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No way the labels would let Apple do that. They have a double standard for Apple, because Apple is their cash cow and everyone else is the little guy.

That and because the labels own Spotify.
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The iTunes radio icon is rather ... skeuomorphic? 1smile.gif

You are.

Even your best friends won't tell you either.
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Amidst all the iOS and OSX news there is a little "skipped" piece. Apple TV. The keynote said it will be available for Apple TV as well. But so far I haven't heard anything about the Apple TV having a beta of iTunes Radio. Add to that the OSX Maverick presentation with a lot of emphasis on the TV screen becoming a full fledged external screen through AirPlay. I think something's boiling...
Especially if OSX and iOS interfaces have been revamped (one more, one a little less) and Apple TV has been shown no love. Mac Pro might be a "PR issue" but in sheer sales numbers Apple TV has done better. No news about an SDK, no news about a SW refresh, seems quite odd. Particularly considering the "hot fall" Cook hinted at D conference. And.... the game consoles messing around (Xbox One more than PS4, but nevertheless...).
I think Apple TV in the sense of an "Apple Branded" set top box is in the coming. And after WWDC I am more keen to bet on it than before.

I might be completely wrong though...

Apple did release a beta for Apple TV. For developers.
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I don't understand much of this at all.  

 

First off, even if you ignore the advertising and the fact that the "Genius" feature they use to pick the tracks rarely works for anything other than top 40 hits, if you can't buy the album, but only buy the song, it's a fail for me and a lot of other people right off the bat.  

 

Secondly, if one already subscribes to iTunes match, that means you have a shit-ton of music already and some kind of facility for picking your own music out of the store.  It also means that you likely have enough music in the Cloud that you can use the ability to "access your music anywhere" and listen to your own playlists, instead of listening to what amounts to the digital equivalent of AM radio.  

 

Who is this service for if it's not almost exclusively for people who don't really like or care about their music very much?  The type of person that listens to Top 40 radio would love this thing.  Music lovers ... not so much. 

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Amidst all the iOS and OSX news there is a little "skipped" piece. Apple TV. The keynote said it will be available for Apple TV as well. But so far I haven't heard anything about the Apple TV having a beta of iTunes Radio. Add to that the OSX Maverick presentation with a lot of emphasis on the TV screen becoming a full fledged external screen through AirPlay. I think something's boiling...
Especially if OSX and iOS interfaces have been revamped (one more, one a little less) and Apple TV has been shown no love. Mac Pro might be a "PR issue" but in sheer sales numbers Apple TV has done better. No news about an SDK, no news about a SW refresh, seems quite odd. Particularly considering the "hot fall" Cook hinted at D conference. And.... the game consoles messing around (Xbox One more than PS4, but nevertheless...).
I think Apple TV in the sense of an "Apple Branded" set top box is in the coming. And after WWDC I am more keen to bet on it than before.

I might be completely wrong though...

 

first off, if you have iOS or OSX iTunes with radio... it's on your appleTV via airplay.

 

2nd... AppleTV, while on the edge of everyone's wish list for WWDC, is really a fall event sort of thing... when iOS7 and OSX.9 ship, AppleTV update will ship the capability as well.  Fall is Fall. which is not Spring which is now.  Given that AppleTV is an iOS fork, the SDK's should just work.  One thing is for sure, the 'flattened' interface will move to the AppleTV face.

[UPDATE: beta already released to Devs]

 

 

3rd) boiling?  nah... simmering.   

 

I think one key thing that Apple is 'not' saying is... ubiquity via iCloud and wireless.  Screen Sharing/Mission Control was a tidbit ($100 is a cheap when hooking up a 60" TV compared to a 25' HDMI cable). I'm sensing that 802.11ac is a big deal in that all of a sudden you've got gigabits flying around your home between _multiple_ devices.

 

Think about a fleet of 'ac' enabled devices in the fall.  iPhoneNext iPadNext Apple TVNext, RetinaMacbookPros, iMacs, iPods.   4K displays....  If an Apple Device can render 4K (or nearly 4K), what about a display...  hey, what if that display had AppleTV connected to it (via Thunderbolt).  

 

4K resolution requires on the order of 600mbits/sec compressed for 60fps...Airport Express' 'ac' can pump up to 1.3Gbps (likely 2 antenna on a laptop/AppleTV), whereas 'n' could 'only' deliver 450Gbps.   You wonder why they expanded for 6 antenna? because 2 won't be enough to drive 2 devices at 4K speed.

 

If you weren't driving to a NAS device (Apple doesn't sell one), where else would you want this level of network performmance...  to your 'airplay display'

Method... meet madness.

 

Wires are so 20th century. 

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I don't understand much of this at all.  

 

First off, even if you ignore the advertising and the fact that the "Genius" feature they use to pick the tracks rarely works for anything other than top 40 hits, if you can't buy the album, but only buy the song, it's a fail for me and a lot of other people right off the bat.  

 

Secondly, if one already subscribes to iTunes match, that means you have a shit-ton of music already and some kind of facility for picking your own music out of the store.  It also means that you likely have enough music in the Cloud that you can use the ability to "access your music anywhere" and listen to your own playlists, instead of listening to what amounts to the digital equivalent of AM radio.  

 

Who is this service for if it's not almost exclusively for people who don't really like or care about their music very much?  The type of person that listens to Top 40 radio would love this thing.  Music lovers ... not so much. 

 

I don't understand your distaste for the idea of iTunes Radio. It's essentially Pandora integrated into the Apple ecosystem. Lot's of people use Pandora. I have a lot of music, but sometimes I want to listen to stuff I don't have (on that note, it would be cool if you could make it play only stuff you don't have through iTunes).

 

I've discovered quite a bit of good music through Genius, not just "Top 40"; also, didn't they buy LaLa? So it's not just Genius.

 

Personally, as "iRadio" takes off, I suspect that it won't be iTunes Match that includes ad-free radio, but rather it will be iTunes Match that's included when you opt to pay for no ads.

 

Also, regarding buying songs vs. albums... does it matter? You can just complete the album later.

 

Maybe you don't like internet radio, but that doesn't mean it's not for music lovers.

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I beg to differ:



And how could thousands of Santa's elves be wrong?

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I guess we found where Forstall was exiled.

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not really... they need to stop with The iTunes nonsense - One of the things I like about Pandora is that I open a browser and I can listen wherever I want - same reason I switch over to AmazonMP3 for my cloud music service. I just don't understand cloud/digital services that in 2013 have no web integration.

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I'm not looking to just pile on - before yesterday I said that if it were like Pandora, I'll pass.  If like Spotify, I'm in.  To each his or her own, but it's just not for me.  I rather pay $10 per month and avoid ads + be able to search and play individual songs.

 

I'm sure it'll be very successful for Apple though, no doubt about it.

 

I've updated to iOS 7... itunes radio -- while i've listened to it for a hour or so, I have to say is pretty damn cool. I've got itunes Match so for $24.99 for the YEAR, a NO AD radio service sure seems appealing to me, that not only matches ALL MY LIBRARY, but allows me now unlimited music uninterrupted via iTunes Radio... Personally, it's waaaaaaay worth it... I think the "match" part keeps getting left out of the narrative... Also, the quality of the sound, at least so far to me, is really, really good.  

 

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I don't understand your distaste for the idea of iTunes Radio. It's essentially Pandora integrated into the Apple ecosystem. Lot's of people use Pandora. I have a lot of music, but sometimes I want to listen to stuff I don't have (on that note, it would be cool if you could make it play only stuff you don't have through iTunes).

 

I've discovered quite a bit of good music through Genius, not just "Top 40"; also, didn't they buy LaLa? So it's not just Genius.

 

Personally, as "iRadio" takes off, I suspect that it won't be iTunes Match that includes ad-free radio, but rather it will be iTunes Match that's included when you opt to pay for no ads.

 

Also, regarding buying songs vs. albums... does it matter? You can just complete the album later.

 

Maybe you don't like internet radio, but that doesn't mean it's not for music lovers.

 

Confused.  I already have itunes Match.  iTunes radio comes ad free as part of the deal -- as it stands now.

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I like the fact that Apple's subscription price includes another benefit of having all of my music available to me to re-download as a part of the iTunes Radio price with no commercials. Basically an online backup without the hassle or the price of an online backup.
And the price is about $10 a year cheaper than Pandora. Win, win situation all around in my view.
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Confused.  I already have itunes Match.  iTunes radio comes ad free as part of the deal -- as it stands now.






I mean, eventually it won't be marketed as that you get ad-free radio when you sign up for iTunes Match, but the other way around. As in, ad-free radio will be the draw and Match will be the perk.

I'm just talking how its marketed. The result would be the same.
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I've updated to iOS 7... itunes radio -- while i've listened to it for a hour or so, I have to say is pretty damn cool. I've got itunes Match so for $24.99 for the YEAR, a NO AD radio service sure seems appealing to me, that not only matches ALL MY LIBRARY, but allows me now unlimited music uninterrupted via iTunes Radio... Personally, it's waaaaaaay worth it... I think the "match" part keeps getting left out of the narrative... Also, the quality of the sound, at least so far to me, is really, really good.  







Fair point. I don't use iTunes Match so for me, still not worth it. Having said that, my oldest daughter was really excited when I told her about it. It definitely has a market, never doubted that.
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Amidst all the iOS and OSX news there is a little "skipped" piece. Apple TV. The keynote said it will be available for Apple TV as well. But so far I haven't heard anything about the Apple TV having a beta of iTunes Radio. Add to that the OSX Maverick presentation with a lot of emphasis on the TV screen becoming a full fledged external screen through AirPlay. I think something's boiling...
Especially if OSX and iOS interfaces have been revamped (one more, one a little less) and Apple TV has been shown no love. Mac Pro might be a "PR issue" but in sheer sales numbers Apple TV has done better. No news about an SDK, no news about a SW refresh, seems quite odd. Particularly considering the "hot fall" Cook hinted at D conference. And.... the game consoles messing around (Xbox One more than PS4, but nevertheless...).
I think Apple TV in the sense of an "Apple Branded" set top box is in the coming. And after WWDC I am more keen to bet on it than before.

I might be completely wrong though...

I'm not holding my breath for a big Apple TV update this year, but it seems like Apple has a hole to fill in their fall iTunes event. I can't see any big updates to their iPod lines. They seem to have hit dead ends, in that they are pretty much perfect for what they are. The only big things I can see them do along these lines is add Bluetooth capability, introduce wearables (ie iwatch), or update Apple TV significantly. It would be great if they opened up some Apple TV APIs, along with a couple stock apps, including the killer app to rule all TV set top boxes.. drumroll... iTunes Kareoke!

   

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Hmmm, I tried iOS7 iTunes Music / Radio - but can't find many of the artists I love streamable even if iTunes has the artist in the store 1frown.gif
Now in Spotify I can start a radio station from ANY entry!
As an example in iTunes Radio - take Jevel Katz and add a station based on his name - NOT 1frown.gif
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I'm not looking to just pile on - before yesterday I said that if it were like Pandora, I'll pass.  If like Spotify, I'm in.  To each his or her own, but it's just not for me.  I rather pay $10 per month and avoid ads + be able to search and play individual songs.

 

I'm sure it'll be very successful for Apple though, no doubt about it.

 

(This all relates to Mac and PC's, not phones and pads)

I tried Pandora 3 or 4 times - lots of thumbs up and down, lots of other training - and it still played a bunch of crap that had nothing to do with the artists I specified - more like bottom 500 than top 40, LoLz - and I heard precious little of the artists I did specify......

So for me, when I want to listen to my iTunes collection OR artists, songs and albums I know, or what facebook friends with good taste have unearthed it's Spotify.  In my car it's my iPod Classic jukebox of 20,000 cuts and well, the radio.  (Remember those??)

When I just want a stream I only have to pick, RadioTuna.com has many hundreds of finely grained stations I just have to pick.  Or the radio streams in iTunes, though not lately. 

Meanwhile, I use iTunes for my podcast viewing. 

So if this is "like Pandora," I'll pass.

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Thoroughly useless service if you are not able to play whatever song you want, when you want. I don't want a passive Pandora-esque experience. I want to be able to play whatever song on earth that I desire on-demand. If Spotify can do it, Apple can do it better.
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Thoroughly useless service if you are not able to play whatever song you want, when you want. I don't want a passive Pandora-esque experience. I want to be able to play whatever song on earth that I desire on-demand. If Spotify can do it, Apple can do it better.

 

They do, it's called buying the songs you want.

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Pandora? It's all about Grooveshark, baby

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Pandora? It's all about Grooveshark, baby

 

Is Grooveshark still going? I know that they illegally uploaded a lot of music and got taken to court.

post #36 of 40
Would I be incorrect in my hopes that iTunes Radio replaces Radio on my Apple TV? I listen to most music through my home entertainment system which now means Pandora via my Roku. I have never cared too much for Radio on Apple TV.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

They do, it's called buying the songs you want.

Old school thinking. Streaming is better, thus Apple's (and everyone else) jump to streaming.

Spotify is great. I assume Google Play Music is as well, as it is very much like Spotify.
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Old school thinking. Streaming is better, thus Apple's (and everyone else) jump to streaming.

Spotify is great. I assume Google Play Music is as well, as it is very much like Spotify.

Google's service lets you choose and stream specific songs, albums, artists, or set up a "radio feed" with similar music based on a song or artist. You're also allowed to add any of those to your own personal music collection at no additional charge.
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post #39 of 40
Personally, I use Slacker. It's a love/hate relationship because the app is way to unstable with there being literally hours at a stretch when it simply won't launch. However, it does have the ability to cache your stations to your local device and therefore not have to stream the content. This is great for instance when I'm driving or working out and don't have a Wifi connection when I don't want to stream content and use up my bandwidth.

I'll be completely sold if Apple let's you similarly cache your stations in iTunes Radio.
post #40 of 40
Why cant they release this world wide :/ this is the moments when I get angry at apple for not cocusing more on its other markets, like if a apple had an apple store in my home town in mexico, and i live in the capital city of my state, i would have been able to move all of my family to macs and all apple products years ago!
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