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iOS 7 beta: FaceTime Audio brings built-in VoIP, free long distance calling to iPhone

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With iOS 7, Apple will introduce FaceTime Audio, a first-party voice over IP extension of the company's video calling service that could disrupt the mobile industry by bringing free long distance and international calling to iPhone users around the world.

FaceTime Audio
Initiating end of a FaceTime Audio call.


Glossed over by some amid the deluge of iOS 7 functions presente at WWDC on Monday, FaceTime Audio could be a game-changing addition to Apple's mobile operating system, even more so than the video calling service it's built on.

In the iOS 7 beta, FaceTime Audio can be found wherever the usual video version of the service is implemented. For example, users can place calls from the Phone app, the dedicated FaceTime app and Messages, among others. For now, the service appears is Wi-Fi only, though that could change before the OS is released this fall.

FaceTime Audio
Receiving end of a FaceTime Audio call.


When FaceTime appears as a communication option, it is now followed by two icons: a camera for video and a phone for audio-only. In its current form, the two icons are situated very close to each other, forcing more precision than should be required to hit just one button. Alternatively, a video call can be made by selecting the "FaceTime" text, which appears to be the feature's default mode.

Using FaceTime from other apps like Messages is a bit different. As seen below, selecting the "Contact" asset to the right of a friend's name brings up FaceTime as one of three choices. From there, a pop-up pane is displayed with distinct options to make either a video or audio call.

FaceTime Audio


The familiar FaceTime ring is used when placing a call, and sound quality is surprisingly good for what is essentially a beta product. Voice clarity is on a par with other apps like Skype for iOS, though using the iPhone's speaker causes considerable echo in this early version. It is unknown if FaceTime Audio supports full-duplex communication, that is the simultaneous transfer of voice data as seen in landlines, though lag was imperceptible in most situations.

Theoretically, because FaceTime is an Internet-based protocol, any two people with devices running iOS 7 can connect with one another, no matter where they are located. This is presuming they both have access to a Wi-Fi network.

Because the iPhone is used by so many, a baked-in VoIP solution that is readily accessible and easy to use could face opponents in the wireless industry as the data-based service could disrupt long-distance calling revenue streams. Just as telecoms were wary of allowing video FaceTime calls on their networks, which used valuable bandwidth, the audio-only version also proves problematic as data would eat into subscription minutes.

The new feature may not bode well for cellular carriers, such as AT&T, which fought to block certain subscribers from using the service on its network. AT&T has since promised that all customers, including those with grandfathered-in unlimited plans, will be able to use the video version of FaceTime over their networks, it remains unclear if the same policy will be extended to FaceTime Audio.
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I was just thinking the other day that Apple should offer a service like this. I have been using Google Voice recently but the service has not been impressive although the issues could be on the other end of the phone according to those with whom I have spoken when using the service.
Edited by MacBook Pro - 6/11/13 at 9:21pm
post #4 of 83
It's been a long time since I heard the term "long distance phone calls" or even worried about going over my "minutes"

It's funny how things change over time.
post #5 of 83
About friggin time.

Was it so hard ?
post #6 of 83

Instantly banned on AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, T-Mobile, Virgin, O2, Orange, and everyone else.

 

They'll make up further lies about why Skype will be allowed but FaceTime won't.

 

Originally Posted by prokip View Post
About friggin time. Was it so hard ?
 

Where's your mobile hardware and software platform with 300,000,000 users, then? Go on, show us.

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post #7 of 83
The more interesting thing than free long distance is now the iPad and iPod touch owners can make phone calls to other iOS users. It's just a matter of time before the phone service part is optional.
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Originally Posted by alandail View Post
The more interesting thing than free long distance is now the iPad and iPod touch owners can make phone calls to other iOS users. It's just a matter of time before the phone service part is optional.

 

AUDIO FACETIME FOR MACS! 1cool.gif

 

Oh, on that subject, FREAKING COMBINE FACETIME WITH MESSAGES ALREADY, APPLE. Show us a list of our iMessage contacts in Messages and have FaceTime as an option just like video chat is with AIM… 

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post #9 of 83
A little masking tape gets audio FaceTime working today.
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Missing from this article:  Discussion of whether this works on the iPad FaceTime app or any information on how it differs if it does.  

 

I'm still waiting for a single tech blogger to install iOS 7 on an iPad of any kind to see what it's like.  Apparently no one has thought to do this yet. 

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I don't know what's better than me funding it, I don't even know what the "it" is, but I'm perfectly fine with that assessment. Get your own funds.

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"Damn Pipes!"

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Missing from this article:  Discussion of whether this works on the iPad FaceTime app or any information on how it differs if it does.  

I'm still waiting for a single tech blogger to install iOS 7 on an iPad of any kind to see what it's like.  Apparently no one has thought to do this yet. 


There is no dev release of 7 for any iPad. The closest thing would be the iPod Touch.
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Missing from this article:  Discussion of whether this works on the iPad FaceTime app or any information on how it differs if it does.  

I'm still waiting for a single tech blogger to install iOS 7 on an iPad of any kind to see what it's like.  Apparently no one has thought to do this yet. 

It's not available for the iPad yet, Bubbie. Once it is, you'll see it here.
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Instantly banned on AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, T-Mobile, Virgin, O2, Orange, and everyone else.

They'll make up further lies about why Skype will be allowed but FaceTime won't.

Where's your mobile hardware and software platform with 300,000,000 users, then? Go on, show us.

I think we are all eager to see you do it better, cheaper, faster bandwidth, faster adoption, more global, perfect synergy between competitors and governments. You channeling Hugo C? Still waiting for citations for the alleged "lies". Won't hold my breath.
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The carriers will be less resistant to such apps as the continue the move away from minutes and toward data
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The carriers will be less resistant to such apps as the continue the move away from minutes and toward data

And LTE becomes the norm. They'll continue to provide better priority and quality to dialed voice. When the handset wars end and all phones are iPhone or when FaceTime is on every connected device, they'll worry. For a good while longer, given the large number of players, there will be application chaos. The mean user isn't looking to manage 5 voice clients each of their devices.
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Originally Posted by ChristophB View Post
I think we are all eager to see you do it better, cheaper, faster bandwidth, faster adoption, more global, perfect synergy between competitors and governments. You channeling Hugo C? Still waiting for citations for the alleged "lies". Won't hold my breath.

 

So your excuse for why Skype always worked over 3G and FaceTime didn't is?

So your explanation for why FaceTime Audio will magically be allowed over 3G despite years of evidence to dissuade you from that is…?

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So your excuse for why Skype always worked over 3G and FaceTime didn't is?


So your explanation for why FaceTime Audio will magically be allowed over 3G despite years of evidence to dissuade you from that is…?

Loaded questions. Stop framing like a troll.
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Originally Posted by ChristophB View Post
Loaded questions.

 

Nah, valid ones. If you can't come up with anything, that's fine. It sort of proves my point, anyway.

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Nah, valid ones. If you can't come up with anything, that's fine. It sort of proves my point, anyway.

Terms like "excuse" and "magically" reveal you for what you are. You bait, name call, insult, discourage discourse. AI has to tolerate this only because you carry their water by beating back shills. I don't believe you are willing to consider operational reasoning. You're content with claiming deception, coercion, price fixing, laziness but provide no proof - details you don't tolerate from the AI members you berate. When the negative cant be proven to your satisfaction you assert that is proof of your suppositions.

TS = AI approved troll.
post #22 of 83
All you have to do is go into regular FaceTime and then press the top lock button. It then becomes audio only. I've been doing it that way for a year.
post #23 of 83
gazoobee: Apparently you are unaware that the iPad version of the iOS 7 Beta isn't even out yet.
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Isn't this what Skype offers for years
Ah no, Skype isn't limited to 1 platform
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Originally Posted by ChristophB View Post
Terms like "excuse" and "magically" reveal you for what you are. You bait, name call, insult, discourage discourse. AI has to tolerate this only because you carry their water by beating back shills. I don't believe you are willing to consider operational reasoning. You're content with claiming deception, coercion, price fixing, laziness but provide no proof - details you don't tolerate from the AI members you berate. When the negative cant be proven to your satisfaction you assert that is proof of your suppositions.

TS = AI approved troll.

 

So, to recap, you have no argument and no explanation for why FaceTime was blocked over 3G and Skype wasn't, so you also have no reason to believe that Audio FaceTime won't be blocked. 

 

I'll say it again: it's going to be blocked on 3G at launch, never mind that Skype never has been.

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Isn't this what Skype offers for years
Ah no, Skype isn't limited to 1 platform

Bingo!

And Skype doesn't have to negotiate with carriers to get their platform directly connected to the carriers' own $100B asset (+ annual operations costs and life cycle).

And Skype doesn't have to worry about a huge % of their customers who aren't geeky smartphone users Mod'ing forums while mommy delivers hot pockets. Said users perhaps not buying a $600+ handset or tablet every year.

And much of Skype is NOT 1G, 2G, 3G/semi-4G connected.

And Skype cares less about experience than Apple (IMHO)

And Apple's isn't free. Both ends still have to pay for ISP connectivity.
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You forgot half of it. if you're going to mock me instead of disprove me, mock me completely.

Not mocking, mimicking. This is how you treat people. People who may believe in what they type. You offer no proof of your lie accusations but require proof of others.

Troll.
post #28 of 83
I kind of don't care.

1- Facetime still freezes after 5 minutes to my Mom's iMac from whatever else (Snow Leopard contre iPad/iPad Mini/iPhone 4/iPhone 5/Mountain Lion/Lion). Thread at Apple Forums is long like (insert supermodel's name)'s legs. Apple no does anything.

2- Facetime is an open standard. Oh, wait, no it never became the open standard Steve promised.


I'll admit to my shame that 1 is much more important than 2 to me ^^'

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Originally Posted by ChristophB View Post
You offer no proof of your lie accusations…

 

Do I really need a link to where it says FaceTime wasn't allowed over 3G? There's such a thing as common knowledge.

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Do I really need a link to where it says FaceTime wasn't allowed over 3G? There's such a thing as common knowledge.

Stop trolling. This forum would be a better place without you.
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Originally Posted by gwmac View Post
It was also only blocked for certain plans on AT&T and they are removing those restrictions which means it won't be blocked on any major carrier.

 

Hey, thanks for backing up my point.


Since they didn't block video FaceTime…

 

Ah, see, except they did. You just said so yourself. Funny how that works, huh.

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Oh, on that subject,    ..............Show us a list of our iMessage contacts in Messages and have FaceTime as an option just like video chat is with AIM… 

 

Maybe I'm not understanding your feature request, but this is already possible, in Messages under Mountain Lion.

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Originally Posted by BuffyzDead View Post
Maybe I'm not understanding your feature request, but this is already possible, in Messages under Mountain Lion.

 

R… really? I've never found it. There's the buddy list that shows Jabber, AIM, and Google Talk, but it doesn't show iMessage. You have to enter those manually every time you want to start a conversation with someone.

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post #34 of 83
@gazoobee: you must have forgotten that iOS 7 beta currently is iPhone-only. It will be "a few weeks" for the beta for iPad.

Until then, the only people who can try it are Apple employees. Not surprisingly, they're not talking.

So it's not that the tech bloggers haven't thought of it. It's just that they can't.
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Originally Posted by gwmac View Post
It was…

 

HEY, how about that, huh? See what happens when you pay attention to what people say? You start to notice… what they actually said.


…even they are now allowing FaceTime over 3G to all their plans.

 

And yet… something tells me they won't be okay with people subverting their voice plans… That's really all I'm saying.

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Facetime was never blocked over 3G on Sprint nor Verizon if memory serves, nor is it blocked on T-Mobile. It was also only blocked for certain plans on AT&T and they are removing those restrictions which means it won't be blocked on any major carrier.Since you are not a subscriber of any of the big 4 carriers nor do you have an iPhone you possibly weren't aware of this fact. Since they didn't block video FaceTime there is little reason to believe they would block audio facetime either. 

I won't be break up your post, as it is the troll method for losing context and deceiving latter readers.

Perhaps some carriers (who may or may not be the dominant US iPhone carrier) has a capacity plan that involves moving data to LTE while preserving/not impacting the majority of the customers. OR we can believe the Black Helicopters made them do it. As high end users gravitate to newer handset it frees capacity by evacuating spectrum ranges for the benefit of the have-nots and don't-really-cares about data like 9 out of 10 of your neighbors.

Here's a paradigm constant- Early adopters pay. Bitches pay but whine about it.
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Originally Posted by gwmac View Post
This is exactly what you said "Instantly banned on AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, T-Mobile, Virgin, O2, Orange, and everyone else."

 

Because from context, you couldn't determine I was talking about a future event?


I pointed out that Sprint and Verizon and T-Mobile could not care less about Facetime and have never blocked it.

 

FaceTime… video.


I further explained that AT&T only blocked in for some users, (a small minority in fact)

 

Nah. Even I can remember this, which is really really pathetic. Just give me a "Mea culpa" here and I'll call it even. AT&T blocked it network-wide.


You really are making yourself look quite foolish by trying to assert that it will be blocked instantly…

 

Yep, I'm really making myself look foolish by… making a guess as to a future event you can't possibly know while using history to back up my assertion.

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Yep, I'm really making myself look foolish
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Well, you can't prove me wrong about the future until we're told by the telecoms. And you can't prove me wrong about the past because I'm not.

 

So maybe cut it out?

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Well, you can't prove me wrong about the future until we're told by the telecoms. And you can't prove me wrong about the past because I'm not.

So maybe cut it out?
I don't have to prove you wrong about the past as others have shamed you. Props to Gw!

The topic of the AI article had NOTHING to do with video so it had nothing to do with the past of any of the many carriers you called out. In the past 2G & 3G had no comparison between US providers. Today 4G is still a fluid thing yet the user assumes equivalence. In the past there was not one network for voice/data and another for only data.

You seem to believe that each carrier operates one network. The one I work for operates five in just the wireless realm to support the customer base.

I expect better from AI. I'll cut it out when you do. If they ban or suspend me for acting less offensive than you, perhaps it'll be (finally) recognized and the people who bring revenue to this place will move on.

Past time to swallow some of what you have been shoveling.
Edited by ChristophB - 6/11/13 at 10:15pm
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