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post #121 of 164
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They have Mercedes, I'm sure Audi might come around.

 

Well, I know that I won't be buying a BMTroubleU.  One car mfg I don't have to worry about. 

 

VW is Audi. 

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post #122 of 164
Ford Falcon XR6 Turbo, Australian car, puts any German car to shame. Absolute weapon
post #123 of 164
As a current owner of two BMW cars I actually don't want this integration. I'm happy with the direction BMW has gone with I drive and how they have integrated phones. I wonder how many people complaining actually have the technology package on their cars. My wife's 2013 535 is great. Integrates with pandora on her phone and she loves it.

Here is the direction that BMW is going...

http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=849540

I'm actually waiting on ordering an M6 so I can get these updates along with the new touch I drive that's coming in the 2014 model.
post #124 of 164
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Originally Posted by MacOSR View Post

As a current owner of two BMW cars I actually don't want this integration. I'm happy with the direction BMW has gone with I drive and how they have integrated phones. I wonder how many people complaining actually have the technology package on their cars. My wife's 2013 535 is great. Integrates with pandora on her phone and she loves it.

Here is the direction that BMW is going...

http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=849540

I'm actually waiting on ordering an M6 so I can get these updates along with the new touch I drive that's coming in the 2014 model.

 

I have the technology package on both my 2013 and my partners 2011 BMW and find both the iDrive and ConnectDrive services and app to be severely lacking with poor UI's and horrible voice recognition..    I'd take Siri and Apple's built in iOS integration in a heartbeat were it available.   Furthermore, as much as we love our Bimmers, integration with Apple devices is the single most important 'interior' feature for me.   I would go with an Audi when my lease renews if BMW doesn't adopt iOS integration and other manufacturers do.  

post #125 of 164
If they want to do something, they should integrate it into public transportation so I don't miss my stop because I fell into that weird transit sleep, listening to NPR again.
post #126 of 164
I'm a BMW owner and I like and use the iDrive. My iPhone and iPod are fully integrated. Compared to other cars I looked at before I bought my BMW, I think the iDrive is well ahead of the touch-screen systems in most other brands. Is the iDrive perfect? No, there's lots of room for improvement. But I'm pretty sure Apple's iOS is not the answer. Good for iPhones? Totally. But car systems?
Edited by CPMC - 6/15/13 at 5:57pm
post #127 of 164
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BMW marketing department, please leave.

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post #128 of 164
This is why I lease cars, technology packages are way behind not to mention miles per gallon, $3000 batteries that need replacing, bending over at the dealer for service & repairs
post #129 of 164
VW, Porsche, Audi & Ducati. also Lamborghini?
post #130 of 164
A turn of the key and off I go. Bluetooth really needs to be 100% the norm. That way its immediate and even future proof, OS software allowing.
post #131 of 164
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Originally Posted by krreagan View Post

WHAT!!! no BMW???? This totally sucks!... Oh never mind! who cares, BMW's are just overpriced dick magnets anyways.

 

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What about Audi??

 

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I was more surprised to not see the world's largest automaker: Toyota.

 

No problem, Apple fans, Red Green has worked out how to attach any Apple iDevice to the dash of these autos, including existing older models. What I found most exciting is old Red and the boys from the Possum Lodge have even been able to integrate the iMac (any size screen) into your auto dashboard as well. The conversion kit is really economical because they will pass along the bulk pricing discounts for the duct tape.
post #132 of 164
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Originally Posted by jr_b View Post

Obviously you have never driven a BMW car w/sports suspension.  I owned one.  The car handle like no other car I've ever owned.  The electronics sucked.  I admit, I've driven several regular BMWs.  None of them handled as well as the one I owned.  

I drive BMW.  Best bang for the buck when it comes to the mechanical side of things.  If you're driving 80 mph and want to go 120 mph, your're there in seconds.  The car stops and turns on a dime as well.  

Every BMW owner I know, including myself, just deals with the sucky electronics.  Apple should be glad BMW said no because BMW would undoubtedly screw up the implementation.  BMW is as bad at electronics as they are good at machining. 

post #133 of 164
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Originally Posted by WisdomSeed View Post

If they want to do something, they should integrate it into public transportation so I don't miss my stop because I fell into that weird transit sleep, listening to NPR again.

Solution: Ask Siri to set a GPS alarm. Works for me...

post #134 of 164
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Ford Falcon XR6 Turbo, Australian car, puts any German car to shame. Absolute weapon

Absolutely!  "See your Ford dealer and get a good Falcon!!!"

post #135 of 164

This is so funny.  When people complain about prices of Macs compared to PCs, the Mac defenders always use some sort of BMW vs. Ford comparison to justify the Mac's higher price.  Now these same Mac defenders are trashing BMW!

post #136 of 164
I took the letter pored by solsun (thanks ;-) and customized it for my own situation. Here is my version (below) sent to customerrelations@bmwusa.com

Dear BMW,
 
As a current owner of a 2002 BMW 325i Sedan looking to upgrade in the near future, I was very disheartened to learn that BMW has no plans to join the 14 other auto-makers in incorporating the newly announced Apple "iOS in the Car" and instead plans to stick with it's own technology.
 
(see article on appleinsider.com)
BMW shuns Apple's 'iOS in the Car' to stick with its own technology

After having driven many American and Japanese car makes in the past, I recognize the superior performance of BMW cars as driving machines, and I love my 325i (with sport package) for that; however, since 2002 the user interface and integration of navigation, phone, radio and other on-board electronic control features has grown exponentially more important to new car buyers (of all brands).

The iDrive and ConnectedDrive interfaces in todays BMW cars are severely lacking in ease-of-use,  intuitiveness, and functionality (despite years of refinement by BMW), and pale in comparison to Apple's proposed iOS integration solutions.

For me personally, being connected to my Apple devices is the single most important interior feature for any vehicle I own, and failure to incorporate Apple's brand new solutions would, WITHOUT A DOUBT, impact my decision to choose a BMW vehicle again when I upgrade.  

While the announcement that Apple's Siri hands-free voice control will be integrated in all 2014 BMW products is an encouraging step in the right direction, this is not nearly sufficient.  We customers need tight iOS integration and the already familiar intuitive user interface it brings.

If you do the market research, I am sure you will find that there is significant overlap between the type of people who appreciate the ultimate driving machine and those who appreciate the elegance and intuitive UI of iOS from Apple.  BMW would be wise to exploit the opportunity to expand its customer base by attracting millions of Apple enthusiasts as potential new customers by leading the way with an aggressive strategy of iOS integration into future vehicle design.
 
Please reconsider your decision not to join other car makers (14 and counting at present) in bringing iOS integration to your otherwise excellent products.
 
Best Regards,
---(name, address, and phone info redacted)

Sent from my iPhone 4s
(...and not from my BMW 325i)
post #137 of 164
BMW make pretty good cars, but they should tap into the expertise of people who are specialists in information interface. Given the choice between an IOS-equipped Mercedes and a similar, but i-Drive BMW I would take the Merc. On my current, late model BMW I had to buy a $150 BMW cable adaptor to plug in my iPhone - ands while the Bluetooth phone works well there is no option for Bluetooth audio.

At the very least, car manufacturers should give customers the option of iOS, Android or their own proprietary info systems - just like they give a choice of engines.
post #138 of 164
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This is so funny.  When people complain about prices of Macs compared to PCs, the Mac defenders always use some sort of BMW vs. Ford comparison to justify the Mac's higher price.  Now these same Mac defenders are trashing BMW!

It'd be funny if what you were saying was true, anyway.

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post #139 of 164
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I'm a BMW driver and I love the iDrive and my iPhone and iPod integration and the ability to vocally make a call or change my radio station or start the nav system. These only take a couple seconds. But we cannot get or send e-mail or text messages and I couldn't be more pleased by that. The study released today shows that hands-free text and e-mail hearing and voice sending of same are a huge and lengthy distraction that cause people to run stop signs and red lights, drift out of their lane and fail to brake in time in crammed traffic conditions, and in general have a 30% greater chance of causing or being in an accident. BMW has taken a stand on this and I complement them for making the safe choice. All of you who want the iOS on your connected iDrive or in any other brand you drive, please do not drive near me. Those posters who complain about BMW's iDrive system and call it awful suggest to me they have not taken the time to read their manuals. Once my iPhone was synched, pressing the talk button and telling the system what I want it to do is the easiest thing in the world. I''ve never experienced this ease in any other car, those few that have this feature. Most will let you make a phone call by voice activation but everything else is done through a touch screen which has to be about the most distracting thing I've ever seen put into any car. It forces you to look away from the road for several seconds to find your choice and remove a hand from the wheel to touch a button on the screen, maybe push two or three buttons to get to the selection you're trying to find. That's about as unsafe as it gets.

 

Ok BMW marketing, I'll bite.  

 

Agreed, touching the screen is as unsafe as it gets... That's all the more reason to adopt Apple's "iOS in the car."

 

Plain and simple, iDrive is awful (yes I've read the manual,) although I do agree with you that pressing the talk button and telling the BMW system what you want it to do is easy, the problem is the technology in the system stinks and never gets things right, unlike Apple's excellent SIRI.  

 

Furthermore, you said yourself you make hands free voice calls, so why exactly do you feel that hands free dictation of a text is so dangerous and and hands free voice calling isn't??   Whether you are talking to a person or a computer,  IT'S THE SAME THING!  

post #140 of 164
Subaru is also not on the list. They have however been selling 2012 and 2013 models as if they were iPhone ready but they really are not. It is a total misrepresentation of the facts. Through their system you cannot get the iphone to understand voice command. Instead you have to make a direct voice command into your iphone to get it to work. Talk about not being hands free. You only find out after you have purchased the car and realize WTF it doesn't work as represented. It is all over the Subaru forums.
post #141 of 164
The author forgot to add the modifier "universally reviled" before iDrive.
post #142 of 164

BMWs spend so much time in the shop, it's not like anyone would get much chance to enjoy this anyway.  lol.gif

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post #143 of 164
This whole discussion seems to hinge on what you have a car for. If you see it as a way to get from A to B, having luxuries like a nice electronics system will likely matter.

If you are interested in the driving experience, you will not care as much.

The electronics (specifically nav system) in my Porsche is absolutely dreadful. A UI so bad that I assume it was designed by a monkey. However, the car is so much fun that I just couldn't care less.
post #144 of 164
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Have you seen what car interfaces look like?  If the UI was much better and standardized, there would be no reason to retrain.  I don't use an Android phone, but if I picked one up, I would know how to get around in it.  It's all about user experience.

 

 

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Those interfaces look oddly similar to what cell phone makers were peddling before the iphone came out. 

post #145 of 164
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This is so funny.  When people complain about prices of Macs compared to PCs, the Mac defenders always use some sort of BMW vs. Ford comparison to justify the Mac's higher price.  Now these same Mac defenders are trashing BMW!

 

 

yes, but isn't that is what makes these threads such an entertaining hoot?

post #146 of 164

Yeah I know it's the British survey, but where Britain tends to change direction the world eventually follows...

 

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motoring/jaguar-tops-jd-power-satisfaction-survey-2013

 

Seriously, no offence guys but I am going to instantly dismiss any American's opinion on what constitutes a good car simply because...well because of American cars. German cars are designed to ween Americans off of dreadful Chevrolets, Buicks etc. and are, frankly, hideous but you don't know it yet.

 

Plus anybody who uses the term "Ultimate Driving Machine" should be taken outside and shot in front of the marketing geniuses who sold them the lie that 50:50 is the ideal weight distribution and they bought it without question.

post #147 of 164
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Ford Falcon XR6 Turbo, Australian car, puts any German car to shame. Absolute weapon


I needed a good laugh after plowing through this thread - thanks.

post #148 of 164
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For the most popular 3 series, the NAV/UI is an expensive option that many forego.
And you know this from which survey/study?
post #149 of 164
What's amazing is BMW's electronics have been a disaster for years. Advanced yes but user friendly no. We're on our 6th BMW in 13 years. Every model is different. The interface, getting BMW interface cables to work, format of flash cards for audio, USB port capability, BT functionality, etc, etc, etc.
post #150 of 164
Audi would be much more interesting. But since this is only a software-update, it might even come to already sold cars%u2026?
post #151 of 164
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And you know this from which survey/study?

From talking to the many BMW service technicians in our local BMW Car club chapter. Every BMW goes through dealer service (free 4yr/50k all inclusive service for all new BMW's) at least a couple of times in the first few years. So believe me these guys would know.

post #152 of 164
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And you know this from which survey/study?

Also if horses mouth is not satisfying enough, search carmax for used BMW's 2008 or greater. Less than half have navigation.

 

Narrow the search down to just the most popular 3-series and less than 1/3 have navigation.

 

Broaden it even more to 3-series produced after 2007 when iDrive was introduced (in 3 series) and the ratio is more like 1/4


Edited by patpatpat - 6/13/13 at 8:20am
post #153 of 164
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Yeah I know it's the British survey, but where Britain tends to change direction the world eventually follows...

 

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motoring/jaguar-tops-jd-power-satisfaction-survey-2013

 

Seriously, no offence guys but I am going to instantly dismiss any American's opinion on what constitutes a good car simply because...well because of American cars. German cars are designed to ween Americans off of dreadful Chevrolets, Buicks etc. and are, frankly, hideous but you don't know it yet.

 

Plus anybody who uses the term "Ultimate Driving Machine" should be taken outside and shot in front of the marketing geniuses who sold them the lie that 50:50 is the ideal weight distribution and they bought it without question.

 

Here's another "British survey" on Jaguars.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eWIrBOc3zE

 

:-)

post #154 of 164
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Originally Posted by messele View Post

 

Plus anybody who uses the term "Ultimate Driving Machine" should be taken outside and shot in front of the marketing geniuses who sold them the lie that 50:50 is the ideal weight distribution and they bought it without question.

For a guy so passionate about ideal weight distribution the BMW 50:50 is a lot more ideal than for example the Jaguar XKR-2's 53.4/46.6.  I'd say at least BMW is going the right direction.   50:50 is actually pretty difficult to achieve in a front engined RWD vehicle. Heading <50 / >50 in weight distribution is a serious safety issue in street cars, this distribution introduces significant oversteer.

post #155 of 164
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...well because of American cars. German cars are designed to ween Americans off of dreadful ...

Perhaps you people ween off things in Britain, but in the US we tend to wean ....

post #156 of 164
Why would the want iOS? They want to control their own systems, you can't blame them for that. Not only that, they're the number #1 luxury car selling company in America even without apple. They're also aligned with google for the maps and location. It's business.
post #157 of 164
BMW dealer told me they do not like touch screens because it takes your hands off the wheel - like those silly dial and joy stick controls don't ? - I think they just like to charge extra for the software updates.
post #158 of 164
They'll be intimidated eventually
post #159 of 164

The latest version of iDrive is pretty good, and it will only get better once iDrive touch is introduced.

 

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Honestly, if there is one thing I hate inside a car, it's a touch screen. The knob is always within close proximity to the gear shifter and the display sits as high as possible on the dash.

 

Don't forget, iDrive 4.2 will be integrating Siri, S-Voice, and Google/Android into their system.

post #160 of 164
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Originally Posted by WinDon View Post

BMW dealer told me they do not like touch screens because it takes your hands off the wheel - like those silly dial and joy stick controls don't ? - I think they just like to charge extra for the software updates.

I think it's more about placement of the touchscreen. That's where the problem is. Telsa has that HUGE 17inch touchscreen, that might be a little strange to drive and use it because the screen is so big and it diverts your eyes away from the road.  Those little jog wheels work once you get used to them for certain functions.  Mercedes has a jog wheel on some of their higher end model cars as well as buttons on the steering wheel.

 

Cars are a totally different beast than a handheld device because you are in an environment where you SHOULD be focused looking straight forward and anything that takes your focus away from the road is dangerous.  So, whatever is used has to work within a safety parameter that auto mfg feel comfortable with.

 

Mercedes ha that screen technology on their S class where the driver sees a different screen than the passenger at the same time.  Pretty cool technology.

 

I could see a small gesture track pad mounted on the center console as a possible solution instead of jog wheel.  Just an idea.


Edited by drblank - 8/1/13 at 10:45am
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