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The integrated navigation package in a 2013 BMW X3 is priced at $2150.

So, BMW earns $2150 for 1990's grade PC graphics and maps that don't update, or they let drivers use Apple maps for free with in dash iOS.

There's your explanation.
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I see a lot of people in this thread saying they have bought anything from 3 to 25 BMWs in their car history, they were mostly horrible, crappy cars and yet the still bought into the hype and kept buying them?

That's insane.

 

Try something else other than these dreadful German cars that trade on all of this "Emperor's new clothes" mentality.

 

There's an alternative in that list that DOES support advanced tech and is a damn site more reliable and pleasant to drive than these horrible German offerings. I'll give you a hint - it's a great big pussy cat.

 

I've never looked back...

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I see a lot of people in this thread saying they have bought anything from 3 to 25 BMWs in their car history, they were mostly horrible, crappy cars and yet the still bought into the hype and kept buying them?

 

I never said they were horrible cars. I'm on my 5th car and they are indeed excellent driving machines. However, I happen to disagree with their choice of using run-flat tires as standard. While I agree that iDrive is clunky and iOS would be a far sight better, there are so many things that they do right (which is why I've had 5 of them). And to suggest a move to Jaguar? Really?!? No thanks. You wouldn't happen to be James May by chance, would you?

post #84 of 164
I just want my Okama Gamesphere.
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...you can pretty much do away with "Beamer". It looks like "Bimmer" is the appropriate nickname for us four-wheeled motorists and "Beemer" for the two-wheeled variety.

In almost every other language besides English, the "i" in Bimmer is pronounced like long vowel "e" so the two words sound the same. So if you were speaking in English, you could say Beamer, or Beemer and it would communicate the same thing for BMW motorcycles or cars.

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I was more surprised to not see the world's largest automaker: Toyota.

They are just showing the first round of mfg.  I'm sure there will be more as they see the need to support it.  I would like to see Tesla get on board, even though they don't sell a lot of cars yet.

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In almost every other language besides English, the "i" in Bimmer is pronounced like long vowel "e" so the two words sound the same. So if you were speaking in English, you could say Beamer, or Beemer and it would communicate the same thing for BMW motorcycles or cars.

Now, it's BUMMER. No Siri support.

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Originally Posted by mstone View Post

In almost every other language besides English, the "i" in Bimmer is pronounced like long vowel "e" so the two words sound the same. So if you were speaking in English, you could say Beamer, or Beemer and it would communicate the same thing for BMW motorcycles or cars.

 

Truthfully, I never really cared for any those nicknames and my answer was based on the article in the link. It seemed like a logical explanation. I usually just referred to it by model though.

 

Back on topic though, I always figured BMW as a shoe-in for deploying something like iOS in the car. Too bad.

post #89 of 164
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I never said they were horrible cars. I'm on my 5th car and they are indeed excellent driving machines. However, I happen to disagree with their choice of using run-flat tires as standard. While I agree that iDrive is clunky and iOS would be a far sight better, there are so many things that they do right (which is why I've had 5 of them). And to suggest a move to Jaguar? Really?!? No thanks. You wouldn't happen to be James May by chance, would you?

Going to Jaguar from BMW is like switching to Android from IOS.

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no volkswagon brands at all - I emailed them on monday to see if it was pending  - no answer

Good idea. I love my VW vehicles, however, sometimes I am more comfortable in my girlfriend's Ford. VW makes great driving vehicles with nice interiors, but their electronics suck. Ford, however, has been innovative and making good vehicles lately. Sync was a step a head of the class, and I love the fact Ford's don't have gas caps (I also like the keyless number pad locks). Ford's interiors are nice as well. I am writing VW a letter as well. Ford to. Sync isn't ios.
post #91 of 164
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I never said they were horrible cars. I'm on my 5th car and they are indeed excellent driving machines. However, I happen to disagree with their choice of using run-flat tires as standard. 

Run flats make the car slightly lighter and saves gas as well as enhancing safety because you'll never be stuck on the side of the road. You can replace the tires but you should consider getting a flat fix kit and a battery powered tire pump to keep in the trunk. That is what I would do if I ever wore out a set of tires which I have not. I don't wear out tires on my BMWs, since I upgrade often. I just can't see throwing out the tires when they are still new. I agree they ride a bit rough but as I mentioned earlier I'm not into speeding around corners so the run flats are fine for me.

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Going to Jaguar from BMW is like switching to Android from IOS.

 

Kinda how I see it. (Some) British cars don't exactly have an impeccable reputation for being problem free. Didn't Land Rover just end up at the bottom of some initial quality list?

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Wow! That looks just like the screenshot in this article - http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/20/ford-continues-to-slide-in-jd-power-survey-on-automaker-quality/

So I guess what MFT can do that iOS in the car can't, is make a carmaker's quality rating go into freefall.

Ford Sync is for better or worst the best in terms of phone integration. The recent version though certainly had some release hiccups. I have enjoyed Sync the best out of all the other options in the market, but I would love Ford to support iOS as well.
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Run flats make the car slightly lighter and saves gas as well as enhancing safety because you'll never be stuck on the side of the road. You can replace the tires but you should consider getting a flat fix kit and a battery powered tire pump to keep in the trunk. That is what I would do if I ever wore out a set of tires which I have not. I don't wear out tires on my BMWs, since I upgrade often. I just can't see throwing out the tires when they are still new. I agree they ride a bit rough but as I mentioned earlier I'm not into speeding around corners so the run flats are fine for me.

Absolutely not. RFT tires are waaaay heavier than non RFT. Extra unsprung weight is very undesirable.

 

Very few reputable tire shops will repair a runflat, so one puncture and you pay $300 minimum for a new tire.

 

Non RFT's offer higher performance, less weight, better wear (depending on tire) and much cheaper alternative to RFT.

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Run flats make the car slightly lighter and saves gas as well as enhancing safety because you'll never be stuck on the side of the road. You can replace the tires but you should consider getting a flat fix kit and a battery powered tire pump to keep in the trunk. That is what I would do if I ever wore out a set of tires which I have not. I don't wear out tires on my BMWs, since I upgrade often. I just can't see throwing out the tires when they are still new. I agree they ride a bit rough but as I mentioned earlier I'm not into speeding around corners so the run flats are fine for me.

 

I'm all for the benefits of run-flats (whatever they may be) if they didn't have such a detrimental effect on the ride. Sometimes I hit a bump and it feels like I'm on Flintstone tires.

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Absolutely not. RFT tires are waaaay heavier than non RFT. Extra unsprung weight is very undesirable.
 

Very few reputable tire shops will repair a runflat, so one puncture and you pay $300 minimum for a new tire.

 

Non RFT's offer higher performance, less weight, better wear (depending on tire) and much cheaper alternative to RFT.

I was referring to the weight of the spare. There is no spare in the trunk on BMW. Also if you use a tire fix kit it will probably ruin the inflation sensor which I'm sure isn't cheap.

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Absolutely not. RFT tires are waaaay heavier than non RFT. Extra unsprung weight is very undesirable.

 

Very few reputable tire shops will repair a runflat, so one puncture and you pay $300 minimum for a new tire.

 

Non RFT's offer higher performance, less weight, better wear (depending on tire) and much cheaper alternative to RFT.

Oh and I forgot coice and availability. You could be stuck in a crappy town for a weekend waiting for delivery of a RFT tire. Not a lot of places stock a decent enough selection. 

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I was referring to the weight of the spare.

My M3 has non runflats and no spare. BMW give you a can of Goop and that's it. No spare, at least on M models.

post #99 of 164
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And now we have a fourth category of "pussies" (though that one may have genuinely been in jest as indicated by the smiley face).

Based on this article: http://jalopnik.com/139926/bimmer-vs-beamer-the-answer , you can pretty much do away with "Beamer". It looks like "Bimmer" is the appropriate nickname for us four-wheeled motorists and "Beemer" for the two-wheeled variety.

It was in jest. I should get out more. Is the "I" pronounced long or short? Link will probably tell me. Although I gotta say a short "I" doesn't sound as good to my ear. Not that I'd try to change the tide of enthusiast usage.
post #100 of 164
Don't know about BMW but the nav system and display UI in my new Honda Pilot could use a little iOS magic. I had heard BMW being criticized for their UI so not sure they really get it. Better experience with UI means more sales. They are sitting on their prestige appeal or do not want to lose their investment on their own display engineering.
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I'm all for the benefits of run-flats (whatever they may be) if they didn't have such a detrimental effect on the ride. Sometimes I hit a bump and it feels like I'm on Flintstone tires.

LOL. Yes, but you know some of that is just the nature of low profile tires. They ride rougher than higher profile tires. I always laugh when I see these show-offs with their trucks and 4x4s and low profile twenty inchers, oh, and, an original spare. lol.gif

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I told my salesman that the run-flats that BMW uses suck, but my comment fell on deaf ears. (and I've gotten 3 cars from him so far).

 

Not sure exactly what "fell on deaf ears" means in this case but if it means he refuses to listen or ignores complaints then I guess you're the nice person for continuing to buy from that salesman. Clearly the run-flats aren't big enough deal to keep you from buying BMW. :) Lucky you. I think.

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I was wondering about that myself. Is it to say that you're a dick (or have to be one) if you drive a BMW or that BMWs make it easier to pick up men?

Great marketing potential. With an M5, even ugly fat chicks get action.
post #104 of 164
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Oh and I forgot coice and availability. You could be stuck in a crappy town for a weekend waiting for delivery of a RFT tire. Not a lot of places stock a decent enough selection. 

 

 

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Have a flat tire? Run out of gas? Need a tow? With BMW Roadside Assistance, you can be assured that whatever happens while you're on the road, you can always turn to us. 

BMW Roadside Assistance offers outstanding travel protection 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, at no additional cost* and without any mileage restrictions. You're covered in all 50 states, Canada and Puerto Rico, and you're even covered if someone else is driving your BMW.

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Don't know about BMW but the nav system and display UI in my new Honda Pilot could use a little iOS magic. I had heard BMW being criticized for their UI so not sure they really get it. Better experience with UI means more sales. They are sitting on their prestige appeal or do not want to lose their investment on their own display engineering.

If the quality of the UI determined BMW sales, nobody would be buying BMW's. People buy BMW's for lots of reasons, the biggest 2 being

 

- Best driving experience for its class

- Status symbol

 

Things like reliability and interior are less important. For the most popular 3 series, the NAV/UI is an expensive option that many forego.

post #106 of 164
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My M3 has non runflats and no spare. BMW give you a can of Goop and that's it. No spare, at least on M models.

Yeah those tires on that model are really soft rubber and wear out super fast. I suppose the driving habits of most M3 owners probably doesn't help either. 1smoking.gif

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That means they will tow you to the nearest BMW dealer (doesn't matter if the nearest dealer is 1000 miles away) where you leave your car for 2 days while they order in that $800 285/35/20 runflat tire for your X6. I've had BMW roadside assistance and BMW wheel protection.

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If we can stop bashing BMW drivers for a minute%u2026

I drive a 2012 BMW and its iDrive feature is an embarrassment. Counterintuitive, overly complicated, and just plain clunky, iDrive is by far the worst feature on an otherwise great car. A driver's chance of using voice control to successfully do anything %u2013 make a phone call, find a location, even enter a city is about zero. You need to be in the proper mode, use the proper wording, and hope for the best:

"Call Roberta."
"Find Indiana?"

While I can plug in my iPhone and play music and podcasts, the car also features a hard drive (yes, you read right, not solid state) to store songs but get this, it won't allow me download my music library from the iPhone. Instead, I must load songs from my Mac onto a flash drive and then go through a convoluted process to get them on the car's drive. Delete or add a song? Errrr, not likely.

I complain here not to boo-hoo, but because according to Apple and this article, BMW will not be taking advantage of existing first-rate technology in the future, relying instead on a new "proprietary" system. Man, they just don't get it.

 

Agreed,  I just sent Feedback to customerrelations@bmwusa.com.   I'd encourage any BMW owner who wants iOS inegration to do the same..

 

"Dear BMW,

 
As current owners of 2013 and 2011 BMW's, I was very disheartened to learn that BMW has no future plans to join the 14 other on-board auto-makers in incorporating the newly announced Apple 'iOS in the Car" and instead plans to stick with it's own technology.
 
 
My partner and I both absolutely love of our recent BMW purchases, however the iDrive and ConnectedDrive interfaces are severely lacking and pale in comparison to Apple's proposed iOS integration solutions.
 
For me personally, being connected to my Apple devices is the single most important interior feature for any vehicle I own, and failure to incorporate Apple's brand new solutions would WITHOUT A DOUBT impact my decision to choose a BMW vehicle again when my lease expires.  
 
Please reconsider this decision.
 
Best Regards,
post #109 of 164
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Yeah those tires on that model are really soft rubber and wear out super fast. I suppose the driving habits of most M3 owners probably doesn't help either. 1smoking.gif

That's why I keep a light, high performance, sticky set for fun days and a medium cost all purpose reliable set (wheels and tires) for road trips. Best of both worlds :-)

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Being a huge petrol-head, this makes me LOL so much.

 

iDrive, DESPITE "fixes" is still TERRIBLE compared to the simplicity and ease of use iOS brings. Dumb on BMW's part and kinda hilarious.

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That means they will tow you to the nearest BMW dealer (doesn't matter if the nearest dealer is 1000 miles away) where you leave your car for 2 days while they order in that $800 285/35/20 runflat tire for your X6. I've had BMW roadside assistance and BMW wheel protection.

Kind of an exaggeration, no? I think they can get it fixed right away at the dealer plus I have road hazard tire insurance.

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If the quality of the UI determined BMW sales, nobody would be buying BMW's. People buy BMW's for lots of reasons, the biggest 2 being

 

- Best driving experience for its class

- Status symbol

 

Things like reliability and interior are less important. For the most popular 3 series, the NAV/UI is an expensive option that many forego.

 

If you've ever read a road test review of a BMW, somewhere in it will be the phrase, "... of course, BMWs iDrive still sucks..." 

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Kind of an exaggeration, no? I think they can get it fixed right away at the dealer plus I have road hazard tire insurance.

Almost positive BMW dealer will not fix a runflat. They will replace it.  BMW Service centers close from 6PM saturday until AM Monday, so you're out of luck if you get a puncture during those hours. Your local tire rack will likely have to order in the tire. 

I'm in the same boat with non runflats. On long journeys I throw one of my spare wheels from my other set in trunk rather than spend hours, possibly days, waiting for roadside and dealer to handle.

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If you've ever read a road test review of a BMW, somewhere in it will be the phrase, "... of course, BMWs iDrive still sucks..." 

Exactly!  This is a quote from BMWs own website. No mention of iDrive or UI. Not saying that they couldn't do better but iDrive/UI was never a consideration for me in buying a BMW.

 

"This year, the BMW 3 Series has made Car and Driver's acclaimed 10Best List for an unprecedented 20th year in a row. Known around the world for its sporty looks, superior handling and powerful engines, the 3 Series has been a perennial favorite amongst driving enthusiasts and Car and Driver writers alike. And it's no surprise, especially when,"the chassis balance is exquisite, with handling that encourages risky behavior but a ride that you wouldn't feel bad subjecting your grandmother to." Not only has the 3 Series been on every 10Best List since 1992, but it's "a feat unmatched by any other vehicle on the market." And that's an incredible accomplishment for our most popular BMW."

post #115 of 164
I read a review of the Keynote and the reviewer claimed Toyota was included. Likely the reviewer was wrong. Unfortunate for us Toyota buyers since their auto software really sucks in ways too numerous to list.

Toyota should get on board with Apple.
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Ford Sync is for better or worst the best in terms of phone integration.

You're exactly right...and thats the problem.  The current best just isn't good enough, or at least as good as it could be.

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That means they will tow you to the nearest BMW dealer (doesn't matter if the nearest dealer is 1000 miles away) where you leave your car for 2 days while they order in that $800 285/35/20 runflat tire for your X6. I've had BMW roadside assistance and BMW wheel protection.

Exactly.  Roadside assistance will change your tire if you have a spare, or they will tow you if you have no spare.  Only two options. They do not replace your flat with a new tire.

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Guess my next car won't be a BMW. 1wink.gif

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If you've ever read a road test review of a BMW, somewhere in it will be the phrase, "... of course, BMWs iDrive still sucks..." 

Once they realize iOS in the car makes their competitors look good, they'll find a way to change their tune.

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What about Audi??

 

They have Mercedes, I'm sure Audi might come around.

 

Well, I know that I won't be buying a BMTroubleU.  One car mfg I don't have to worry about. 

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