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When it goes into production in America later this year, Apple's new cylindrical Mac Pro desktop will reportedly be built in U.S. facilities run by Singapore-based manufacturer Flextronics.

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Purported details on production of Apple's new Mac Pro were reported this week by the Economic Daily News, and highlighted by Macotakara. It was said that the information was shared by analyst Ming-Chi Kuo of KGI Securities, who has a strong track record in predicting Apple's future product plans.

The official Flextronics website reveals that the company already has facilities in a number of locations across the U.S., including Texas, California, Kentucky, Tennessee, Georgia, and both North and South Carolina. The report did not indicate which U.S.-based Flextronics facility will handle assembly of the new Mac Pro.

"Our United States teams offer a wide spectrum of capabilities, including electrical and mechanical design and the manufacturing of flexible and rigid printed circuit boards and printed circuit board assemblies, specialty coated thin film flexible materials, backplanes, box-build, cable assemblies, camera modules and assembly," the site reads. "Our facilities also have clean room capabilities, functional and reliability testing, new product introduction support, design for manufacturing, supply chain management and logistics."

The transition to Flextronics, if true, would mean that Foxconn will no longer be responsible for manufacturing the Mac Pro. But because Apple's high-end desktop is geared toward a small market, the shift is not expected to have a major effect on Foxconn, which operates largely out of China.

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Though Apple will build its new Mac Pro in the U.S., the company is not expected to bring assembly of any of its MacBook lines to America. EDN noted that most of the supply chain remains overseas, which would make it logistically difficult to build large numbers of Macs stateside.

Apple's new MacBook Air units are reportedly being assembled by Quanta Computer, which specializes in laptop construction. Though Quanta does have some facilities in the U.S., it's not expected to begin building MacBooks domestically.

This week, in a rare move, Apple offered a sneak peek at its redesigned Mac Pro desktop, which will sport a small cylindrical design while being powerful enough to drive three 4K-resolution displays. The professional-grade machine is scheduled to arrive later this year with Intel Xeon processors, PCI Express flash storage, and Thunderbolt 2 ports.

As for Kuo, the purported source of the Flextronics rumor, the analyst accurately shared details on Apple's new MacBook Air ahead of this week's announcement at the annual Worldwide Developers Conference. Specifically, he revealed that the new notebooks would adopt a dual-mic setup for better voice capture, in addition to Intel's latest Haswell processors.
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It just says "Designed in California. Assembled in USA."  Would like to see "Designed & Made in USA"

 

Assembled does not sound good. It still says... parts are manufactured in China. They were shipped to USA and were assembled.

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Also, why Apple does not say "Designed in USA" rather it says "Designed in California"? Any clue from history or events that made Apple/Steve to mention like that?

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It appears that Samsung has already come up with their own version...

 


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Also, why Apple does not say "Designed in USA" rather it says "Designed in California"? Any clue from history or events that made Apple/Steve to mention like that?


Judging by the new naming scheme for OS X it's because they're really proud of their California roots

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Judging by the new naming scheme for OS X it's because they're really proud of their California roots

 

That Mavericks is okay. But since decades, Apple has been mentioning "Designed in California."

Designed in USA sounds really good. 1smoking.gif

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Also, why Apple does not say "Designed in USA" rather it says "Designed in California"? Any clue from history or events that made Apple/Steve to mention like that?

I smiled at that and couldn't help mentally adding ... "Designed in California ... by an Englishman" (Well I'm sure Jony was at least in on it ... )
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Also, why Apple does not say "Designed in USA" rather it says "Designed in California"? Any clue from history or events that made Apple/Steve to mention like that?

Because it has been their signature since the beginning of the company. Every Apple product ever shipped, whether on the product itself or on the packaging (or both), has always had the catchphrase "Designed by Apple in California" somewhere. And considering this is a huge part of their new marketing campaign, I doubt they're going to change it anytime soon.

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Also, why Apple does not say "Designed in USA" rather it says "Designed in California"? Any clue from history or events that made Apple/Steve to mention like that?

I think they are trying to appease to the people that live in California because a lot of people in California think that companies are moving out of California.  The whole Made in USA, etc. is marketing to make people feel good, especially we don't see it as much as we'd like.  Heck even Toyotas, Mercedes Benzs and other mfg make certain cars in the US.

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It just says "Designed in California. Assembled in USA."  Would like to see "Designed & Made in USA"

 

Assembled does not sound good. It still says... parts are manufactured in China. They were shipped to USA and were assembled.

 

It might be interesting if someone went to the trouble to see what kind of computer you could actually put together with only USA manufactured parts and how much it would cost.  Not sure that's a machine anyone would want to buy...

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It just says "Designed in California. Assembled in USA."  Would like to see "Designed & Made in USA"

 

Assembled does not sound good. It still says... parts are manufactured in China. They were shipped to USA and were assembled."

"Assembled in USA" DOES sound good. It's progress.

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It just says "Designed in California. Assembled in USA."  Would like to see "Designed & Made in USA"

 

Assembled does not sound good. It still says... parts are manufactured in China. They were shipped to USA and were assembled.

 

Well, it's the "assembled" moniker that is at the bottom of this all. Automated factories in the U.S. might be able to compete with the Asian factories some day. Manufacturing the boards, the various components, etc. may be automated but assembling the parts into the finished product apparently still requires fairly intensive manual labor. 

 

We need to just hang in there and let the world economy evolve. As the Chinese economy evolves, worker's rights will get better, pay will get better, and American labor MAY become competitive again.

 

Of course, I'm no economist or labor expert and I'm pulling my opinion straight out of my ass, but it seems like common sense to me.

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It might be interesting if someone went to the trouble to see what kind of computer you could actually put together with only USA manufactured parts and how much it would cost.  Not sure that's a machine anyone would want to buy...

Yeah it would cost too much, Since there will be high union wages, pension and benefits, plus all the taxes paid in various forms in the US just for the privilege of manufacturing in the US. Someone commented about assemble verse manufacturer, with most of the labor and environmental laws in this country today you will never see true 100% manufacturing back in the US it just too costly.

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It appears that Samsung has already come up with their own version...

 

 

 

Seriously.  No one will copy this, except for the exterior.  They didn't have the balls to copy a Cube or a Mini properly, though they tried, for their Google ChromeBox - just like the ChromeBook which looks like a MacBook.  Sigh...1hmm.gif

 

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Also, why Apple does not say "Designed in USA" rather it says "Designed in California"? Any clue from history or events that made Apple/Steve to mention like that?

I hesitate to waste my time explaining it if it isn't obvious to you, but "Designed in California" is implicitly "Designed in USA", as California is IN the USA (duoh). Apple has used that phrase since Day One of at least the Macintosh (1984). It's a point of pride, a point of class, a point of coolness which only California could connote. You're probably not from California or you'd have a clue. But if you are, then shame on you for not having one.

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It appears that Samsung has already come up with their own version...

 

 

If you look inside it is full of Galaxy's...

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If you look inside it is full of Galaxy's...

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Also, why Apple does not say "Designed in USA" rather it says "Designed in California"? 

 

Because California is actually part of Mexico? 1wink.gif

 

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Apple will bring most of it's products back to the U.S. because they can't keep their products secret if they are manufactured outside of the country.

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It appears that Samsung has already come up with their own version...

 

So did D-Link

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I'm not American, so asking you guys. I understand patriotism and all, but if this is a company from Singapore, then this Made in USA thing isn't bringing in $$$ into the US, except for labor. Am I correct? And if so, would you rather have it being made by an American company? So the profit would flow into the US as well.
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I'm not American, so asking you guys. I understand patriotism and all, but if this is a company from Singapore, then this Made in USA thing isn't bringing in $$$ into the US, except for labor. Am I correct? And if so, would you rather have it being made by an American company? So the profit would flow into the US as well.

You are correct.....Some of the "made in the USA" is a misnomer......Like Ford and Chevy....when a ton of the parts for their cars come from outside of the US.

It is truly a Global economy.....

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It appears that Samsung has already come up with their own version...

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So did D-Link

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But D-link is a router, not a PC. So no.

Samsung on the other hand is copying the Mac Pro literally. But because it's Samsung, it's trash.
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But D-link is a router, not a PC. So no.

Samsung on the other hand is copying the Mac Pro literally. But because it's Samsung, it's trash.

I guess I missed the Samsung Mac Pro copy...where is that?

But isn't there a ton of Samsung parts in the new MacPro?

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But D-link is a router, not a PC. So no.


Samsung on the other hand is copying the Mac Pro literally. But because it's Samsung, it's trash.
I guess I missed the Samsung Mac Pro copy...where is that?

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The Designed in California phrasing is more recent in Apple history -- definitely in the Jobs 2.0 era, not before.  Here is a photo of the back of the original Mac -- you never see the Designed in California tag, though they definitely make it known that they are in Cupertino, CA.  

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AnOriginalMacintoshBackCaseUNALTEREDMACINTOSH.jpg

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It just says "Designed in California. Assembled in USA."  Would like to see "Designed & Made in USA"

 

Assembled does not sound good. It still says... parts are manufactured in China. They were shipped to USA and were assembled.

 

In 2013, the world's entire computer component manufacturing industry is in Asia. I mean the whole thing.

 

To make a fully "Made in USA" Mac, you'd have to get every component manufacturer to open factories in America because Macs are built with hundreds of components made by dozens of other companies. And, well, that is a little beyond Apple's scope. Apple can't force Intel or AMD or Broadcom to manufacture their chips in the US.

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I hesitate to waste my time explaining it if it isn't obvious to you, but "Designed in California" is implicitly "Designed in USA", as California is IN the USA (duoh). Apple has used that phrase since Day One of at least the Macintosh (1984). It's a point of pride, a point of class, a point of coolness which only California could connote. You're probably not from California or you'd have a clue. But if you are, then shame on you for not having one.

Borhter, Whole world knows that CA is in US.  Its really feel good to see a nation's name rather than CA.

How a chinese fellow feel to see "Made in Shanghai" other than "Made in China."

 

Don't you think Apple products represent the nation-US?  Its a token of pride and the products speak to the world about USA.  

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I'm not American, so asking you guys. I understand patriotism and all, but if this is a company from Singapore, then this Made in USA thing isn't bringing in $$$ into the US, except for labor. Am I correct? And if so, would you rather have it being made by an American company? So the profit would flow into the US as well.

 

Moving a larger-than-zero amount of assembly manufacturing move to the US from Asia is better than having no assembly manufacturing in the US.

 

You have to start somewhere.

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It just says "Designed in California. Assembled in USA."  Would like to see "Designed & Made in USA"

 

Assembled does not sound good. It still says... parts are manufactured in China. They were shipped to USA and were assembled.

 

Well, for most of the world, all this chest-beating, xenophobic, "pro-USA" stuff is profoundly distasteful, so there's that to consider also.  

 

They way they are pushing California, I think they believe that somehow the rest of the world has a more positive opinion of California than they do of the USA in general, but I think they are probably not correct about that either.  

 

The only explanation I have for why Apple is doing this sort of thing is that like most Americans, they are blissfully unaware of how the rest of the world really sees the USA and actually believe that line about America being a "world leader" that everyone "looks up to."  

 

For large sections of the world, the USA is closer to being the source of most of their problems than something to look up to, and the general smugness, the blindness to their faults, ant the endless self promotion of American companies looks just plain awful from the "outside." 

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The Designed in California phrasing is more recent in Apple history -- definitely in the Jobs 2.0 era, not before.  Here is a photo of the back of the original Mac -- you never see the Designed in California tag, though they definitely make it known that they are in Cupertino, CA.  

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AnOriginalMacintoshBackCaseUNALTEREDMACINTOSH.jpg

 

I've never seen it on an actual product. It's generally the first thing you see when you open the packaging though.

 

I can't attest as to when the practice started, as the first non-used Apple product I bought was in 2005. With the Mac mini I bought in 2005, when you opened the box, "Designed by Apple in California" was written on the topmost thing on the inside of the box.

The MacBook Pro I got in 2008 had a similarly prominently-placed message, and I've seen it in the packaging of all of my iPhones, but again, never actually on the product.

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In 2013, the world's entire computer component manufacturing industry is in Asia. I mean the whole thing. ...

 

Not true.  

 

Up until now most everything Apple made was "assembled" in China, but the parts come from all over and always have.  

There are parts in current Macs from France, the UK, and the USA right now.  

 

Partially, this is because Apple uses the highest quality parts.  While Asia certainly makes the majority of the parts, a lot of the best parts aren't made there.  

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For those that haven't made the connection the upcoming Motorola Moto X phone will also be "built in the USA" by . . . drumroll. . . Flextronics, the same company used by Apple. In Moto's case the work will be done in Texas.
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It just says "Designed in California. Assembled in USA."  Would like to see "Designed & Made in USA"

Assembled does not sound good. It still says... parts are manufactured in China. They were shipped to USA and were assembled.

Until a cache of rare earth metals is found in the US we are unlikely to ever have the parts made here. China in particular doesn't allow the export of those metals in raw form. Japan just found a huge cache but its viewed as unlikely for them to allow export either. It's just too big an industry for them to let go of such a money maker.

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I'm not American, so asking you guys. I understand patriotism and all, but if this is a company from Singapore, then this Made in USA thing isn't bringing in $$$ into the US, except for labor. Am I correct? And if so, would you rather have it being made by an American company? So the profit would flow into the US as well.

You should probably read the wikipedia page for Flex. The company was founded in the US and is now a international manufacturing operation with facilities in 30 countries and traded on Nasdaq. It is also rated in the top 100 best managed companies.

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Also, why Apple does not say "Designed in USA" rather it says "Designed in California"? Any clue from history or events that made Apple/Steve to mention like that?

Because Apple is based in California. It's as simple as that.

Saying USA for assembly is likely reflective of two issues. First is that there may be several plants. Second is security.
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So if the Mac Pro is not the Made in USA Mac that was promised for later this year, then what will be? This is only "Assembled in USA" and Tim Cook and Obama clearly promised they'd start "making" Macs in America again.

It sounds like they've deliberately stretched the truth in order to score political points. Very disappointing. Assembling is not making!
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I think they are trying to appease to the people that live in California because a lot of people in California think that companies are moving out of California.  

Unlikely since that migration is fairly recent (last 5-10 years) and Apple has put the designed in tag since day one.

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Until a cache of rare earth metals is found in the US we are unlikely to ever have the parts made here. 

There are plenty of rare earth metals in the US. They have been found, however, it is cost prohibitive to mine them due to environmental regulations, so it is less expensive to use China for electronics that require them.

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