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Purported 'iPhone 5S' logic board has tweaked screw placement, lacks CPU

post #1 of 32
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A shot of a logic board claimed to be from Apple's next-generation iPhone shows a design largely the same as the iPhone 5, though the screw hole has been placed in a new location.

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Purported "iPhone 5S" board on the left, via Moumantai. Actual iPhone 5 board on the right, iFixit.


The board, which was first noted by Macotakara, also lacks a processor, but the space for the CPU appears to be about the same size as on the current iPhone 5 logic board. Aside from a slightly different screw placement atop the board, the part looks largely identical to its predecessor.

If legitimate, the part could hint that Apple's next iPhone will sport largely the same design as the iPhone 5. That would be in line with rumors, which have dubbed the handset as the "iPhone 5S," suggesting that any hardware upgrades would not alter the design of the device.

As for the absent processor, rumors from earlier this year claimed that Apple won't debut a full-fledged next-generation "A7" chip until 2014. That processor is rumored to be built by Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. in a 28-nanometer process.

An identically sized space for a processor could signal that the next iPhone will retain the 32-nanometer process utilized to build the current A6 and A6X chips found in the iPhone 5 and fourth-generation iPad, respectively. Apple switched from a 45-nanometer process to 32 nanometers in 2012 with the debut of the A5 CPU.

Parts claimed to be from Apple's next iPhone have increasingly appeared in recent weeks, suggesting that production of the device could begin soon. Other recently leaked parts include a FaceTime camera, home button, vibration motor, SIM tray, volume rocker, and mute switch.
post #2 of 32

So, is this concept phone fake? 1oyvey.gif 1smoking.gif I want this with iOS7

 

post #3 of 32
You make the mistake of assuming the CPU size is based on the process used. Apple could go from 32nm to 22nm, while keeping the package size the same. This is what would happen if they dedicate more space to a larger GPU or add one or more extra cores. Further, Apple puts many cores in it's SoCs with custom processors for audio and video processing, etc, and thus even a "dual core" part that's seems to be just like the "dual core" part from last year, might actually have more CPUs on it.

Put another way, the space on the board tells you nothing about which CPU this will be. It could be the "full fledged A7" or it could be an A9, or whatever.
post #4 of 32
Stop the freakin presses, a screw has been moved! Really, this is Apple news?
post #5 of 32
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Originally Posted by Chandra69 View Post

 1smoking.gif I want this with iOS7

 

 

 

Yes, dump some of the visually empty length.

 

For any change that large we will have to wait another year. The 5S will be just another incremental tweak. I'll be glad when Apple starts turning out new stuff again. The recent processor bump on the MBA and teases of stuff for the future were not very satisfying.

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Stop the freakin presses, a screw has been moved! Really, this is Apple news?


You're here, you read it, you felt the need to comment on it.  This site is for people like you.  Get off your high horse.

post #7 of 32

I'd wager the CPU doesn't advance as much as the GPU. Apple is all about the GPU, and it's so important for the new features like parallax, I'm guessing.

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Stop the freakin presses, a screw has been moved! Really, this is Apple news?

No kidding.  I'll wait until Apple has their product release.   Some of these photo show nothing that suggests anything other than it's a different motherboard design, but without the chips installed, we don't know what it's going to be.

post #9 of 32
If the only thing Apple changes on the next iPhone is a screw then it's screwed.

The market has been asking Apple to offer its iPhone products in different screen sizes for some time. The lack of an iPad Mini allowed both Samsung and Amazon to get into the 7" market. Similarly, the lack of a 4-5"iPhone has allowed Samsung, Sony, and Blackberry to compete with the iPhone. Sure, the IPhone is still the brand leader, but Samsung has gained a significant market share rapidly with the Galaxy S4 and Note models.

The iPhone 5's larger screen was a step in the right direction, but simply wasn't as large as the market wants. The danger of a physical design that remains fundamentally the same is twofold. Loyal Apple customers will simply defer upgrading their iPhones until the iPhone 6 comes out. Less loyal Apple customers may simply defect to the Samsung S4. Either way Apple sales will be less than stellar.
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Either way Apple sales will be less than stellar.
 

Isn't this what they said last year?  And the same with the 4S?  Seems from other articles today that the huge screened S4 isn't so popular after all.

post #11 of 32
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Originally Posted by Tailpipe View Post

If the only thing Apple changes on the next iPhone is a screw then it's screwed.

The market has been asking Apple to offer its iPhone products in different screen sizes for some time. The lack of an iPad Mini allowed both Samsung and Amazon to get into the 7" market. Similarly, the lack of a 4-5"iPhone has allowed Samsung, Sony, and Blackberry to compete with the iPhone. Sure, the IPhone is still the brand leader, but Samsung has gained a significant market share rapidly with the Galaxy S4 and Note models.

The iPhone 5's larger screen was a step in the right direction, but simply wasn't as large as the market wants. The danger of a physical design that remains fundamentally the same is twofold. Loyal Apple customers will simply defer upgrading their iPhones until the iPhone 6 comes out. Less loyal Apple customers may simply defect to the Samsung S4. Either way Apple sales will be less than stellar.






 

 

Nice. Looks like a combo platter of Rules #1, #9, and #10.

post #12 of 32
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Loyal Apple customers will simply defer upgrading their iPhones until the iPhone 6 comes out. Less loyal Apple customers may simply defect to the Samsung S4. Either way Apple sales will be less than stellar.

Erroneous speculation. Loyal Apple customers upgrade their phones every two years as their contracts expire. Fanatical Apple customers upgrade every year. There are very few 'less loyal' Apple customers as you put it. iPhone is a really decent handset and any perceived shortcomings due to smaller screen (which are not really shortcomings as the screen size is by design) is more than outweighed by the ecosystem and the compatibility with friends who have also chosen iOS and OS X.

 

Even when the iPhone is turned off, it is a more desirable handset than large screen Androids just like a BMW in the showroom is more desirable than a Scion with a modded exhaust system going over the speed limit...Sir Tailpipe

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post #13 of 32
That's not Parallax !
Ive's has managed to fit a 2 inch thick phone inside a 5mm case
post #14 of 32
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Originally Posted by Tailpipe View Post

If the only thing Apple changes on the next iPhone is a screw then it's screwed.

The market has been asking Apple to offer its iPhone products in different screen sizes for some time. The lack of an iPad Mini allowed both Samsung and Amazon to get into the 7" market. Similarly, the lack of a 4-5"iPhone has allowed Samsung, Sony, and Blackberry to compete with the iPhone. Sure, the IPhone is still the brand leader, but Samsung has gained a significant market share rapidly with the Galaxy S4 and Note models.

The iPhone 5's larger screen was a step in the right direction, but simply wasn't as large as the market wants. The danger of a physical design that remains fundamentally the same is twofold. Loyal Apple customers will simply defer upgrading their iPhones until the iPhone 6 comes out. Less loyal Apple customers may simply defect to the Samsung S4. Either way Apple sales will be less than stellar.

You mayn't be fully aware of Apple history, Tailpipe. As it did with the iPod family, Apple shall do with iPhone as it is doing with iPad (as led by its next step of iPm).

There is no worry. Apple knows what it is doing as it treads the path it invented. And that's the Truth and nothing but the truth, so help me Apple. 1wink.gif

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post #15 of 32

Apple commission things so getting their monikor on any new major chip could take many a years.

Though maybe that plastic iPhone will be Snapdragon.

post #16 of 32
A CPU-less iPhone.

I'm in.

:P
post #17 of 32
That board is quite different. Certainly above the CPU, on the ifixit pic, there are 3 small chips highlighted. Although the proported iphone5s board is not populated with chips, there does not appear to be room for 3 chips there, at most there is a layout for 2 chips. Also the connector placement in that area is totally different. It looks to my albeit untrained eye that either the pcb is for an itouch (missing some phone specific chips) or some more functionality has been either moved inside the main soc, or is on the underside.
post #18 of 32

Ah!  With no CPU, there's that much more space for an extended battery - this thing should run for DECADES on a charge!

 

Brilliant!

post #19 of 32
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The board, which was first noted by Macotakara, also lacks a processor

 

It also lacks every single chip and package too. No radio chip, no flash package, not even the SIM slot.

 

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An identically sized space for a processor could signal that the next iPhone will retain the 32-nanometer process utilized to build the current A6 and A6X chips

 

The fact that the BGA array is the same size means nothing to what process the chips are fabbed at. The "chip" is really a multi-chip package typically containing SoC and the RAM stacked on top of each other. They are wired together with wires for power, comm, I/O, etc, are routed down into the array seen in the photo.

 

It probably implies that memory and I/O busses are all the same width. That's about it. They could easily put a 22 or 28 nm SoC and whatever higher density RAM in there using identical packaging.

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(Cheap skepticism and sarcasm edited/deleted)

post #21 of 32
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Originally Posted by Chandra69 View Post

So, is this concept phone fake? 1oyvey.gif
 1smoking.gif
 I want this with iOS7



Maybe iphone 6..... Man that is nice!!!!
They release a phone like this and the stock will be up to 700+ in no time!
post #22 of 32
Imagine the uproar if two screws moved, or even worse if one was removed altogether.

We also have not heard if Apple will offer the newly placed screw in multiple colors.
post #23 of 32

OMG! miniscule internal changes that no one will see. I'm out! These changes are going to ruin everything ¡

post #24 of 32
"As for the absent processor, rumors from earlier this year claimed that Apple won't debut a full-fledged next-generation "A7" chip until 2014. That processor is rumored to be built by Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. in a 28-nanometer process."

This is something I've been suspecting for a while. Due to a lack of 20/22 nm processes this year they can't significantly bump up the processing power of a next-gen SoC without increasing power consumption significantly, which is not something you want to do in a handheld device. So it might be likely that the upgraded iPhone's and iPad's expected in a few months will retain their A6/A6x and make do with upgrades elsewhere in the design. Which is fine for this year as the A6/A6x is not lacking in power on the current devices. Also iOS 7 is supposed to be much more efficient than previous iterations of the OS - which should help keep the 5s, iPad 5 and Mini 2 competitive...we'll see.
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post #25 of 32
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Loyal Apple customers will simply defer upgrading their iPhones until the iPhone 6 comes out. Less loyal Apple customers may simply defect to the Samsung S4. Either way Apple sales will be less than stellar.
 

Except that does not seem to be happening and the Galaxy S4 sales are not that spectacular with web usage already starting to plateau after just 50 days:

 

https://twitter.com/StevenNoyes/status/346681851840196608/photo/1

 

The trend is already showing the 1080p screens usage slowing just a couple weeks after launch while the iPhone 5 was showing a significant inflection up at the same point in its cycle. At his point in the cycle, about 20 million iPhone 5's had been placed in peoples hands so (if we assume a user uses an iPhone5 about the same was a person uses an HTC One/GS4) we are looking like about 8 million GS4's an dHTC Ones are in actual use by end users world wide. We are talking some serious channel inventory on the GS4 and/or HTC One.

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Except that does not seem to be happening and the Galaxy S4 sales are not that spectacular with web usage already starting to plateau after just 50 days:

 

https://twitter.com/StevenNoyes/status/346681851840196608/photo/1

 

The trend is already showing the 1080p screens usage slowing just a couple weeks after launch while the iPhone 5 was showing a significant inflection up at the same point in its cycle. At his point in the cycle, about 20 million iPhone 5's had been placed in peoples hands so (if we assume a user uses an iPhone5 about the same was a person uses an HTC One/GS4) we are looking like about 8 million GS4's an dHTC Ones are in actual use by end users world wide. We are talking some serious channel inventory on the GS4 and/or HTC One.

 

Wow.  So, iPhone 5 web usage was more than double that of the S4 and the HTC One ... combined?  I would have expected the iPhone to have an advantage, but not that large.

 

Thanks for the link.

post #27 of 32
Looks like two of the smaller chips are missing (probably integrated into the main SoC).
post #28 of 32
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The danger of a physical design that remains fundamentally the same is twofold. Loyal Apple customers will simply defer upgrading their iPhones until the iPhone 5 comes out. Less loyal Apple customers may simply defect to the Samsung S4 S2. Either way Apple sales will be less than stellar.
- June 17, 2011

 

Sounds familiar...

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post #29 of 32
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Sounds familiar...

 

These posts are just so cookie-cutter, as you demonstrated.

 

Someone should make an app that randomly generates anti-Apple messages, just for fun. 

post #30 of 32

The lack of processor means...direct connection to your brain!!!!
 

post #31 of 32

Look guys, I just want a bigger screen. Why does shitty Samsung offer one, but Apple not? I believe I'm not alone in my desire. I have no intention of jumping ship to Samsung. iOS 7 alone is enough to make me stick with Apple. But a 4.5" screen or a 5" one would be great. Is it too much to ask for an iPhone with different screen size options. Seriously? 

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Look guys, I just want a bigger screen. Why does shitty Samsung offer one, but Apple not? I believe I'm not alone in my desire. I have no intention of jumping ship to Samsung. iOS 7 alone is enough to make me stick with Apple. But a 4.5" screen or a 5" one would be great. Is it too much to ask for an iPhone with different screen size options. Seriously? 

It has to be a question of priorities and timing and technologies (software and hardware). If you are going to make a limited size of handsets (something Apple has always done) you are best to target what the market wants the most. The reality is, the MARKET IS NOT WANTING BIG SCREENS. This is not to say there are not many people wnating bigger screens but many many more people are purchasing and using screen sizes of 4" and LESS. Last time I checked (about 3 months back) over 75% of all smartphones had 4" screens and smaller.

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