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Originally Posted by JollyPaul View Post

 

Samsung's new ultrabook does what everyone had hoped the just refreshed Macbook Air would do, so that is a better comparison. We will have to wait another year to see if Apple can catch up to where Samsung is now.

 

I think you forgot the /s

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Originally Posted by Relic View Post Love the new side by side multitasking,

 

Funny, but my MBP can have a zillion windows open on multiple virtual desktops. 1hmm.gif

post #43 of 99
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Originally Posted by cynic View Post

 

Not sure I understand this line of thought.

 

 

So it never occurred to you to have a retina display on the MBA? You do not think having a retina display on the MBA is worth doing?

 

The Samsung ATIV 9 is the same weight as the MBA and has a high DPI 13" touch display (3200x1800) with 12 hour battery and Haswell.

 

I will agree Apple pushed high DPI displays first and the MBA was first in powerful portability. Which is why it is surprising Apple has not combined those while Samsung has. Given Apple's refresh rate on the MBA, that means at least a full year before we can expect Apple to do the same.

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Sometimes old is just old. Doesn't mean it's bad, just been around so long people see it differently compared to what's perceived as new. No matter how many facelifts you give Zsa-Zsa, she's still old. Windows Whatever is still Windows. Apple was smart in not making its mobile OS another cat. iOS is seen as the fresh face.

      Yeah iOS is the fresh face....lol. parralax effect and pastel colors....so different from the grid of icons from the first iPhone! I'll take my WP8 look and feel over iOS anyday thank you. (although iOS is getting closer after copying some of the style of WP and Android!)

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So it never occurred to you to have a retina display on the MBA? You do not think having a retina display on the MBA is worth doing?

 

The Samsung ATIV 9 is the same weight as the MBA and has a high DPI 13" touch display (3200x1800) with 12 hour battery and Haswell.

 

I will agree Apple pushed high DPI displays first and the MBA was first in powerful portability. Which is why it is surprising Apple has not combined those while Samsung has. Given Apple's refresh rate on the MBA, that means at least a full year before we can expect Apple to do the same.

Not true, the ATIV 9 is heavier than the 13" MBA.

 

13" MacBook air : 2.96 pounds ($1099)

Samsung ATIV 9 : 3.17 pounds (estimated to be $1500-$1900)

13" Retina MacBook Pro : 3.57 pounds ($1499) - is about to be updated to Haswell.

 

By the time the ATIV 9 actually reaches customers, the rMBP will have been updated to Haswell with vast improvements to battery life (even more so with Mavericks), and it would not be surprising that Apple will shave off some weight and thickness on the rMBP to the point where the difference with the ATIV 9 will be negligible (except that the ATIV 9 may be more expensive).

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Oh my God...I need some Dramamine after watching that absolutely horrid, confusing, and stupidly unhelpful video.

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Originally Posted by JollyPaul View Post

Samsung's new ultrabook does what everyone had hoped the just refreshed Macbook Air would do, so that is a better comparison. We will have to wait another year to see if Apple can catch up to where Samsung is now.
come back, Samsung fanboy, when (1) you can actually buy the ATVI 9, and (2) there has been independent testing of its claims. right now, all you got is pure hype.
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I'm glad MSFT finally updated Favorites functionality and syncing in IE 11.   Welcome to 2010 Microsoft  

 

Let me try to recap the "BIG" announcements today:  

 

-  Addition of a Start button 

-  Ability to launch Windows 8.1 in desktop mode 

-  Bing enhancements 

 

 

Did I get this right?  Did I miss anything else significant?    Please help me understand better, because I don't know why this POS continues to get so much attention 

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post #49 of 99
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come back, Samsung fanboy, when (1) you can actually buy the ATVI 9, and (2) there has been independent testing of its claims. right now, all you got is pure hype.

 

It's sad when expressing a basic desire like having a retina display on the MBA (to replace my current MBA) gets me labeled a Samsung fanboy. That won't stop me from upgrading my Windows laptop to an ATIV 9 when it is released with Windows 8.1 this fall and enjoying what I had hoped to enjoy with a MBA upgrade. I still hold hope that Apple will eventually follow Samsung with a retina MBA. I guess that sort of devotion makes me an Apple fanboy.

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They just did their 2nd developer conference in 9 months.  And, they had almost nothing to say about mobile devices and smartphones.  Zero announcements regarding their mobile operating systems, hardware or new services 

 

I don't see how this will end well for Microsoft.   Even in their core PC business.  It's very subjective and anecdotal, but easily 50% of everyone around me buying notebooks and desktops now is buying Apple  

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post #51 of 99
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...follow...

BA HA HA HA HA!

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post #52 of 99
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Also, if it's a Samsung device, it's probably using a pen-tile display, and thus the pixel count is basically just a lie.  

I'm yet to see laptop with pen-tile screen. Regardless resolution, on 13" screen it is still around 270 dpi "only", which would hurt much more with pen-tile than it does on higher density phone screens. Not to mention that Samsung was/is doing screens for Apple as well, so they obviously can create hi-res non-pen-tile screen. Your "probably" is at best "maybe", a bit too early to call it a lie.
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It's sad when expressing a basic desire like having a retina display on the MBA (to replace my current MBA) gets me labeled a Samsung fanboy. That won't stop me from upgrading my Windows laptop to an ATIV 9 when it is released with Windows 8.1 this fall and enjoying what I had hoped to enjoy with a MBA upgrade. I still hold hope that Apple will eventually follow Samsung with a retina MBA. I guess that sort of devotion makes me an Apple fanboy.

Worst part related to Apple, for me, is rabidity and hysteria of so many Apple followers. There are fanatics on every platform, but somehow it seems Apple has more. Is it result of Apple elitist marketing approach earlier on, or some sort of inferiority complex rooted during Apple's struggling years - or something completely different - I cannot say; but number of rude smartasses I am encountering here is, in general, higher than any other forum I frequent.
post #54 of 99
What's the difference with this start menu vs the 8.0 start menu where you mouse over to the bottom left corner and click? Your software can be found on the right screen edge inside the Search charm, is the start menu all that important anymore for desktop? Anyway the web search feature here looks quite nice, the one within the modern UI. See this is the confusing part, you have search and then you also have search.
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AI correct your headline. They didn't bring back the Start Menu. It is just Start button with right click to access Settings.
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AI correct your headline. They didn't bring back the Start Menu. It is just Start button with right click to access Settings.
+1
I thought we'd see the start menu. But really there's no difference. Lower left hand corner still brings up the start screen - it's just now there's a 'button' to show the user how to do that. What a mess.
post #57 of 99

The author has misinterpreted what Microsoft has added to this update. For Windows 8.1, Microsoft essentially added lipstick to a pig expecting users to be ignorant enough to believe they have incorporated what the majority of users want which is providing the option to have both the Start Button and Start Menu.

 

8.1 is essentially having a Start Button (Short Cut) which takes you back to the Metro GUI which is the Start Screen showing all the pretty App Icons that you have to scroll horizontally. It does not have a Start Menu which is what everyone has been requesting and still have to relay on purchasing a third party app to display the Start Menu.

 

If Microsoft can only provide the 'option' to enable/disable this feature, this will be a huge step in the right direction however the approach there taking is nothing more than smoke and mirrors as the end of the day you are forced to go back to Metro to open any of your apps unless you manually add a short cut your self on the desktop.

post #58 of 99
Sad cant keep it from looking childish so added old features, How much $$ do you think the update will finaly cost?
post #59 of 99
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This is Microsoft's game to lose. They do have a compelling ecosystem, have great support, and develop good programs to train armies of support techs/engineers. They stumble but recover. Their migration to Office 365 and Azure are widely praised. 

 

Few individuals have to buy Windows directly and most will just use what comes on their new PCs or what the IT department gives them. (Even if they bring their own they're likely logging onto a Windows network or connecting to a Microsoft mail server). Microsoft is going to be able to recover from the really poor migration to Windows 8 with revenue intact.

 

Anyway, Windows 8.1 isn't going to correct all the mistakes of Windows 8 but IMO they really don't have to. They really, really should but they don't have to.

 

I want whatever YOU'RE drinking!  Apparently you have no idea that enterprise, Institutional, and government buyers are not adopting Windows 8. And thanks for the news flash on Office 365 being "widely praised." Last I heard laptop users (and that's the growing segment of computers) don't like to be somewhere they can't access or edit their documents due to poor or no Internet.

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post #60 of 99

 

Look at Uncle Fester's grim expression as he doles out the "giant leap back." 

I wonder how many of the executives hanging around Fester will be soon cut due to reorganization. 

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post #61 of 99
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And thanks for the news flash on Office 365 being "widely praised." Last I heard laptop users (and that's the growing segment of computers) don't like to be somewhere they can't access or edit their documents due to poor or no Internet.

Yeah because large companies still use dial up to access the internet and have never heard of LTE.

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post #62 of 99
"One experience, on every device for everything important in life". Is it just me? I don't want "one experience on every device" as I use each device differently for different purposes.
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Originally Posted by JollyPaul View Post

 

It's sad when expressing a basic desire like having a retina display on the MBA (to replace my current MBA) gets me labeled a Samsung fanboy. That won't stop me from upgrading my Windows laptop to an ATIV 9 when it is released with Windows 8.1 this fall and enjoying what I had hoped to enjoy with a MBA upgrade. I still hold hope that Apple will eventually follow Samsung with a retina MBA. I guess that sort of devotion makes me an Apple fanboy.

 

well, then i hope you take your own advice from one of your posts two weeks ago:

 

"What sad, meaningless lives some must lead to spend time on a site dedicated to products they don't use. Must be some form of dementia preventing normal mental processes."

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Worst part related to Apple, for me, is rabidity and hysteria of so many Apple followers. There are fanatics on every platform, but somehow it seems Apple has more. Is it result of Apple elitist marketing approach earlier on, or some sort of inferiority complex rooted during Apple's struggling years - or something completely different - I cannot say; but number of rude smartasses I am encountering here is, in general, higher than any other forum I frequent.


My ass can do long division but still has problems with reading, I blame the school system. How was that, I'm still learning but I think I can get to the rank of major ass if I try really hard.

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post #65 of 99
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And thanks for the news flash on Office 365 being "widely praised." Last I heard laptop users (and that's the growing segment of computers) don't like to be somewhere they can't access or edit their documents due to poor or no Internet.

 

I bought an Office 365 account and it allows me to download the latest version of Office (2013) onto 5 machines, so it isn't just restricted to editing documents online.

 

My wife had some work on Access and at the price to get a single licence of Office with Access I could subscribe to Office 365 for 6 years. It felt like a good deal to me.

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Well until I can have a tablet with OSX on it to run desktop apps I'll settle with Windows 8.1.


Right, because tablets are just "toy computers"—you can't do any actual work on them. :P Maybe that's your experience.

 

As for me, since getting my iPad, I've used it at least 2x as much as my MacBook. My 'Book is my "home" computer, but my iPad goes with me literally everywhere. I just toss it in my bag in the morning and head out the door. The only thing I really need my computer for (i.e. my iPad doesn't have the capacity/capability) is photo editing; for nearly everything else, my iPad is fully capable.

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+1
I thought we'd see the start menu. But really there's no difference. Lower left hand corner still brings up the start screen - it's just now there's a 'button' to show the user how to do that. What a mess.

 

No, really. They brought "back" the "start menu". Only that it is now a flat menu which appears on... behold.. "right-click" on the "start-button". Well, it was there in Win 8 as well. Now they have made it far more useful and functional by adding a couple of "shutdown" options there. So yes, AI is right. Technically speaking, they "brought back" the "start menu"!  /s

 

 


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... It does not have a Start Menu which is what everyone has been requesting and still have to relay on purchasing a third party app to display the Start Menu.

 

 

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Right, because tablets are just "toy computers"—you can't do any actual work on them. :P Maybe that's your experience.

 

Putting words in someones mouth doesn't mean that person actually said them, please tell me you know this. I also have an iPad and enjoy it very much. However, I can't run Photoshop with pen support, Netbeans to review and debug my programs while taking the train to work, MySQL, Python, Java, PHP, Perl, C++ compilers, .net support, full MS Office which I need for specialized Visual Basic calculations. The list goes on but I think you get the point. I don't see why this is so hard for you to understand, I like having a tablet that can run full desktop applications, done, point, that's it. Saying you can do everything with your iPad still doesn't give me what I want or need. If Apple made a tablet that could run OSX, I would be using it, they don't so a Windows 8 tablet is the only other solution. A solution that I don't mind by the way, just becasue you all hate it won't diminish my productivity any less.

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post #69 of 99
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Sad cant keep it from looking childish so added old features, How much $$ do you think the update will finaly cost?


For the user nothing, it's free. MS, I'm sure spent a small fortune developing it.

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post #70 of 99
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Originally Posted by Penguinisto View Post

 

Funny, but my MBP can have a zillion windows open on multiple virtual desktops. 1hmm.gif

I use Windows 8 on a tablet, so having side by side apps is pretty neat.


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Steaming POS no matter how you serve it.
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Steaming POS no matter how you serve it.
So what explains Microsoft's stock rise (yesterday it was up over 2% whereas Apple was down over 1%)? Not to long ago MS stock was near or above 52 week highs. Apple is moving towards its 52 week lows. I don't get it.
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So what explains Microsoft's stock rise (yesterday it was up over 2% whereas Apple was down over 1%)? Not to long ago MS stock was near or above 52 week highs. Apple is moving towards its 52 week lows. I don't get it.

Oh that's because Microsoft makes the best software in the world. Apple can only dream of having such talented individuals working for them. Windows 8.1 only proves without a doubt that Apple has lost the OS wars. The shear amount of technology that is in this OS could never be duplicated by anyone, especially Apple. They should just role over and die, excepting defeat.
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Putting words in someones mouth doesn't mean that person actually said them, please tell me you know this. I also have an iPad and enjoy it very much. However, I can't run Photoshop with pen support, Netbeans to review and debug my programs while taking the train to work, MySQL, Python, Java, PHP, Perl, C++ compilers, .net support, full MS Office which I need for specialized Visual Basic calculations. The list goes on but I think you get the point. I don't see why this is so hard for you to understand, I like having a tablet that can run full desktop applications, done, point, that's it. Saying you can do everything with your iPad still doesn't give me what I want or need. If Apple made a tablet that could run OSX, I would be using it, they don't so a Windows 8 tablet is the only other solution. A solution that I don't mind by the way, just becasue you all hate it won't diminish my productivity any less.

I can't say how much that I'm happy for you... and for MS having you as a happy customer and adoption evangelist!

Now.. for the rest of the population that has been force-fed Windows for the last few decades, and DOESN'T do development (on a sub-par OS I might add)... what does MS have to offer THEM at this point in time? Actually, syncing is pretty good with Win phones and tablets... but what else?

Bolded: you do know that the majority of development using the above bolded languages, which are not only natively installed, but also used pretty exclusively on Macs these days.. even by Apple's nemesis Google? The second platform is a Linux box. BTW: you doing that on a IIs server or WAMP? Having fun I guess.

Also... doesn't it ever get to you that whenever you see Photoshop being demoed or a tutorial, it's always on a Mac? You're missing the hint there.

I'm with another poster a day or 2 ago that said,
"...if Microsoft really wanted to shake things up and start a new revolution, they should have ditched the NT kernel and went with UNIX."

Now THAT would have been bold!

Regardless... MS is not dead yet nor do I expect them to be soon... so whatever.

* I still shudder when someone like a developer starts out a problem with, " On my c: drive..."..... GAAAAWD! GTFOH!
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post #75 of 99
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well, then i hope you take your own advice from one of your posts two weeks ago:

 

"What sad, meaningless lives some must lead to spend time on a site dedicated to products they don't use. Must be some form of dementia preventing normal mental processes."

 

You must have a reading comprehension problem. As stated, I do use Apple products. Try a little harder to understand next time and you won't be so lost.

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@ Relic - what you really need is an MBA. It put's a Surface, tablet... and even the iPad to shame for what your doing there.

...uhm... just sayin'... 1smoking.gif
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Look at Uncle Fester's grim expression as he doles out the "giant leap back." 
I wonder how many of the executives hanging around Fester will be soon cut due to reorganization. 

I made a similar "Jeeze that guy looks like a troll" comment when I saw that image.

I should feel bad for being all judgmental about the man's appearance, but I really don't. He really looks the part of Microsoft.
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"...if Microsoft really wanted to shake things up and start a new revolution, they should have ditched the NT kernel and went with UNIX."

Now THAT would have been bold!

No, that would be predictable. What would be truly bold is if Microsoft abandoned the disaster of monolithic failure that is the Windows Registry. Worst design decision they ever made.
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@ Relic - what you really need is an MBA. It put's a Surface, tablet... and even the iPad to shame for what your doing there.

...uhm... just sayin'... 1smoking.gif


I already have one. I just want a tablet that can run desktop apps, so I bought one. Is that so bad, you guys are so mean, I'm going to cry;

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* I still shudder when someone like a developer starts out a problem with, " On my c: drive..."..... GAAAAWD! GTFOH!

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