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Interesting.  I am from the USA.  That does just go to show it is a regional thing.  I would say the majority here would place more importance on battery life and portability.  I see a larger screen as detriment to a devices portability which is why I rarely carry my iPad around with me unless I have my backpack.  Plus some of the pants I own have tight pockets (i hate that) and it makes it a real pain to get my iPhone in and out, let alone a bigger phone.  The extra screen real estate is not worth it, and if/when I would need it I usually have access to my iPad, Apple TV, and MacBook pro.  In my mind the "bigger screen" wars ended with desktops (except maybe with TVs it is still thriving?)

Yeah it's a regional thing ...

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What exactly is the allure of having a bigger screen?  I can do everything just fine on my 4s.  When I want a bigger screen (say for watching a video), I throw it up on the Apple TV or go to my iPad.  I really don't understand this thinking of the NEED to have a bigger screen on the phone.  It just sounds so cumbersome and annoying.

 

Then you don't need a bigger screen, that's all.  And that's okay, although comparing them to iPads is just silly.  Even a 4.8" Samsung phone is barely larger than an iPhone, due to far less bezel.

 

Those of us who do like larger screens, appreciate the extra size while still a very portable handheld.  (The slimness and curvature make Samsung phones easy to slip in and out of pockets.)

 

I like a larger screen for viewing photos/videos with family or friends, surfing the web, using any app, taking pictures, and for watching TV shows while waiting somewhere.   It's easier on my eyes, and it's easier to share.

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What exactly is the allure of having a bigger screen?  I can do everything just fine on my 4s.  When I want a bigger screen (say for watching a video), I throw it up on the Apple TV or go to my iPad.  I really don't understand this thinking of the NEED to have a bigger screen on the phone.  It just sounds so cumbersome and annoying.

The same old arguments. Who knows. People like it. It's a market segment.
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post #84 of 105
I used to live in Japan back when NTT DoCoMo had 60% market share. They really were the poster child for carriers around the whole. Everyone wanted an NTT DoCoMo phone rather than a Sony/Fujitsu/etc. phone. They had amazing services, they provided the software for the phones and they would release ~10 models from multiple manufacturers simultaneously every three months.

I can see why Android appeals to NTT DoCoMo. They can keep their (largely legacy) services if they choose Android since it's an open platform. How could i-mode (or the modern equivalent) be supported on iOS?
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Originally Posted by KDarling View Post

 

The same way that they brought out the iPad mini after their CEO claimed that the original model was the minimum size for tablets, and that any smaller would require sandpapered fingertips.

I don't think that is correct. I believe Steve said that a 7" tablet was too small. The iPad Mini is not a 7" tablet. It is an 8" tablet and it has far more screen real estate than the typical 7" Android tablet.

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I don't think that is correct. I believe Steve said that a 7" tablet was too small. The iPad Mini is not a 7" tablet. It is an 8" tablet and it has far more screen real estate than the typical 7" Android tablet.


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post #87 of 105
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Originally Posted by pedromartins View Post

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In Europe, India and Chine is ALL about big screens. Apple can have it all, they don't even need a cheaper iPhone, just another premium 5" line. Then, 500 stores in China, 500 india, 600 Europe and Global iTunes and Ecosystem. No delays, no "US" App store crap. Just "global" app store.

 

Here, the tips for iOS domination. Give me a beer.

Apple has around 200 stores or so worldwide now and you say they need to open around 1,400 more. You obviously have had a few too many beers already.

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post #88 of 105
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Originally Posted by Carthusia View Post

I don't think that is correct. I believe Steve said that a 7" tablet was too small. The iPad Mini is not a 7" tablet. It is an 8" tablet and it has far more screen real estate than the typical 7" Android tablet.

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Originally Posted by KDarling View Post

 

Then you don't need a bigger screen, that's all.  And that's okay, although comparing them to iPads is just silly.  Even a 4.8" Samsung phone is barely larger than an iPhone, due to far less bezel.

 

Those of us who do like larger screens, appreciate the extra size while still a very portable handheld.  (The slimness and curvature make Samsung phones easy to slip in and out of pockets.)

 

I like a larger screen for viewing photos/videos with family or friends, surfing the web, using any app, taking pictures, and for watching TV shows while waiting somewhere.   It's easier on my eyes, and it's easier to share.

 

I see.  I wasn't trying to compare to the iPad, just saying thats what I go to if/when I want a bigger touch screen and the apple tv isnt around.  I find it hard to share photos etc on any phone... we always end up just passing it around instead of everyone gathering around a single phone.  Most of my family members own an apple tv and we all have iOS devices so its real easy just to airplay stuff we want to share.

 

I have trouble getting my 2.5" pocket knife out of some of my pants... i dont think curvature of the edges is going to make a big difference in those.  It probably doesn't help that i have a silicone case that basically latches onto whatever surface it touches.

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post #90 of 105
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That's only part of what he said. SJ also said this.
It's obvious now that SJ and whoever else was included in 'we' were mistaken.

Given the screen technology available at the time of the iPad launch, he was right.
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Originally Posted by brianloftus View Post

Given the screen technology available at the time of the iPad launch, he was right.

But people didn't have a problem touching the icons on a 3.5" screen, so I don't buy that argument.
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post #92 of 105
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But people didn't have a problem touching the icons on a 3.5" screen, so I don't buy that argument.

Love to hear/read a good counter-argument to this.

 

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post #93 of 105
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Originally Posted by ExceptionHandler View Post

I see.  I wasn't trying to compare to the iPad, just saying thats what I go to if/when I want a bigger touch screen and the apple tv isnt around. 

 

Ah, got it now.  Yes, that makes sense.  I also go to the iPad if I'm at home with it around.

 

If I'm out at a restaurant or someplace with family though, I rarely have a tablet with me, so a large screened phone is the next best thing.

 

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  It probably doesn't help that i have a silicone case that basically latches onto whatever surface it touches.

 

For sure the case type can make a big difference as to both how nice it is to hold, and how easy to pocket!

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Originally Posted by pedromartins View Post

No? Who said that?

 

Isn't the HTC one a great looking phone? If a crap company like HTC can do it, Why can't Apple? I think that they are leaving it for something special, like IGZO, but why? Most users don't care about that level quality or awesomeness, ask samsung.

 

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Merely your opinion (which i somewhat agree with), nor did I ever say 5'', where 4.9 may be close to 5, it is not 5.

 

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I guess for a 5' tall geek maybe. I wear 34" waist pants and a 5" phone fits perfectly in my pockets... I dont mind people that prefer a 4", but at least give me a choice.

 

 

I just said that it's no longer a phone (you should be able to operate it with one hand and not everyone is able to do just that even with 3.5" screen). If you like bigger screen device which also can make calls i'm not stopping you. If Apple thinks that there is a market for 5" iPhones then good for you. I will personally settle for 3,5" screen phone and 7-10" tablet (iPhone 4S and iPad Mini).

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post #95 of 105
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Originally Posted by pedromartins View Post

great post, if the world was only the usa. It is nothing like that in Europe and Asia, 

 

You'd be surprise how many iPhones you see on the trains in Tokyo. Oh, you see other スマホ (smartphones) as well, in decent numbers, but iPhones are very popular and still desirable despite the overloading of advertising for Android phones you see everywhere. A number of my friends in Japan have switched to iPhones in the last year or two, and others have expressed their desire for iPhones but are locked into DoCoMo contracts, or are reliant on DoCoMo because of network coverage issues.

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Originally Posted by sennen View Post

 

You'd be surprise how many iPhones you see on the trains in Tokyo. Oh, you see other スマホ (smartphones) as well, in decent numbers, but iPhones are very popular and still desirable despite the overloading of advertising for Android phones you see everywhere. A number of my friends in Japan have switched to iPhones in the last year or two, and others have expressed their desire for iPhones but are locked into DoCoMo contracts, or are reliant on DoCoMo because of network coverage issues.

Ok we know that the Iphone is very popular in Japan and the USA. It is repeated regularly by the same people who tell us that in the rest oft the world the Iphone is lossing market-share.

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I for one would like to have larger iPhone, especially wider, because I make too much typing mistakes when typing fast. It is also much pleasant to read in landscape mode.

 

I do believe Apple could release 4.6" iPhone in this year, 4x the resolution at some 460dpi. I also think screen technology is available, it this a question, though, if in satisfying mass production quantity. But I doubt Apple would settle with battery life for it...

 

4.6" would be slightly larger than current 4", but it would make a whole lot difference on the market.

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Ok we know that the Iphone is very popular in Japan and the USA. It is repeated regularly by the same people who tell us that in the rest oft the world the Iphone is lossing market-share.

 

Well, the 3 weeks that I was in England (London mostly), I did see more iPhones than any other phone. And I travelled by the tube everyday.

 

So now will we change and say "ok, it is popular in Japan and the USA and England" and then wait for someone else to say it is popular in some other country and add it to the list?

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Originally Posted by BestKeptSecret View Post

 

Well, the 3 weeks that I was in England (London mostly), I did see more iPhones than any other phone. And I travelled by the tube everyday.

 

So now will we change and say "ok, it is popular in Japan and the USA and England" and then wait for someone else to say it is popular in some other country and add it to the list?

Ok you got a point here :-)

All I wanted to say, that it is not the best solution to think the rest of the world is same than my city or country.

 

I'm living in Luxembourg and 2 years ago I thought: "Wow my apple stocks are a very good investment :-). 95% of the Smartphones i saw where Iphones. They were everywhere !" Now I'm frustrated because this changed a lot in the last +/- 9 months. This trend can also be seen in the statistics here in europe. I never thought, that this could change that fast.

 

 

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post #100 of 105
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Originally Posted by Povilas View Post

5" is no longer a phone.

That's why they are popular. Folks can't afford both smartphone and tablet.
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Apple has around 200 stores or so worldwide now and you say they need to open around 1,400 more. You obviously have had a few too many beers already.

Apple actually has around 400 stores worldwide with more each year.

post #102 of 105
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I just said that it's no longer a phone (you should be able to operate it with one hand and not everyone is able to do just that even with 3.5" screen). If you like bigger screen device which also can make calls i'm not stopping you. If Apple thinks that there is a market for 5" iPhones then good for you. I will personally settle for 3,5" screen phone and 7-10" tablet (iPhone 4S and iPad Mini).

Let's face it. IPhone is no longer just a phone either. In fact, is it much of a phone? Just look at how Apple tracks its usage - number of Facetime messages sent, web surfing, apps downloaded ... Don't hear about how many calls are made, or dropped ;-)

post #103 of 105
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Apple has around 200 stores or so worldwide now and you say they need to open around 1,400 more. You obviously have had a few too many beers already.

200 stores? They have more than just in the US alone.

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I love reading this guys posts.  First reaction I always get is "what the heck is this guy talking about"?  1confused.gif   But then afterwards I always have a good chuckle as I recognize that this is his own naive opinion (I dont think he realizes Apple does tons of research on this stuff and what he wants is not necessarily what the majority wants).  It is ALMOST as good as reading 'The Daily WTF'...

I'll end with this: Apple is good at figuring out what most people want or making them want something customers didn't even know they wanted.  They may make a bigger phone, they may not.  Apple will do what it thinks is best, not what some bloke on the internet who thinks he has the next best idea since sliced bread.

Good advice. Apple probably has many different screen sizes in their labs and once the get the right combination of performance, design and battery life the will release it. Then everyone here can bitch and moan about how Apple is trying to be Android. Price is what is keeping Apple out of Asian markets not screen size.
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Chief among the carrier's concerns would be Apple's strong stance against letting carriers preinstall software on its phones.

 

Which wouldn't benefit the consumer. The carriers don't want to give people freedom to use their phones and their bandwidth -- clearly things like messaging, chat, and being able to voice conference through the iPhone are things that cut into carrier profits. They also probably don't get as much data mining as they'd like.

 

I don't know if that's the motive for this particular carrier -- probably it's just the principle of letting manufacturers control the phone and they don't want to fall into the competitive market as just another iPhone seller. 

 

My guess is that DoCoMo is going to hold out and see if they can get concessions from Apple -- which will never come. Then they'll either carry the iPhone like everyone else (sans spyware/shovelware) after some face-saving pretend concessions from Apple (like a "Click here to get DoCoMo welcome screen!" on the first screen), or they'll lose to a few customers.

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