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Jeez! Who cares how ignorant "Mr. 'Merica!"? Apple makes better products. Galaxy s4 will forgotten when the iPhone 5 is old and still selling used for over $200
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However, I also believe Apple got a bit of a problem with brand perception in Europe. They don't seem able to clearly deliver the message about why they are better than their competition.

No... the EU media has defined Apple's mission for them, with over the top sensationalist exposés and out-right lies... PLUS continuously plays the class-card along with pandering to Europe's socialist leanings in regards to Apple's "obscene profits".

But that's only a handful of problems Apple faces. The main fact that Europeans don't use their mobiles the same as in NA... meaning large data contracts (EU average is PAYG 500mb/mo.), makes an iPhone a tough sell when people only want WhatsApp, FB and easy texting. The iPhone is just far too "smart" and powerful for what people need for mobile communications (here).
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Jeez! Who cares how ignorant "Mr. 'Merica!"? Apple makes better products. Galaxy s4 will forgotten when the iPhone 5 is old and still selling used for over $200

Geez AI! Looks like you're going to need age verification soon!

This is a pretty evil forum to let children into, considering the racists, fascists, Godwin's-Law-posting, snarky "insider" remark ex-admins, assorted cursing once in awhile, etc, etc.

I mean really... you even have a death-stick evil "smoking emoticon"(!)... my unofficial avatar... 1biggrin.gif

The least you could do is "Think of the Children"™!.......just sayin'.....1smoking.gif

@ SAMSUcksALLDay - I sure hope it didn't take ya all day to think of that username... get back to your homework!

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post #83 of 106
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Ok pal... I am stating absolute proven facts... You take the galaxy that was released at the same time the 4S was released and compare resale values... You need to do some homework and stop telling people to get back to theirs.... Stop posting condescending crap, you think it makes you look "smarter"? Keep thinking that, guy. Now just shhhh..0
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@ ThePixelDoc
Ok pal... I am stating absolute proven facts... You take the galaxy that was released at the same time the 4S was released and compare resale values... You need to do some homework and stop telling people to get back to theirs.... Stop posting condescending crap, you think it makes you look "smarter"? Keep thinking that, guy. Now just shhhh..0

No. The fact you posted the same comment twice... and the silly and childish username, even if you are an Apple fan... causes me (still) to think you're underage.

I'm certainly aware of the fact that Apple devices have a far higher resale value, more than you can possibly imagine, since it's been that way for almost 30 years.

BTW: a quick search on Ebay here, shows a OEM new, 3GS/32gb/unlocked still being sold from € 250 - 280.00 - ... or US$ 325 - 365.00.-
A used 3GS/32gb/unlocked €120 - 180... since you're so smart... you can surely do the rest of the math.
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post #85 of 106
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You've already lost at number 1.)....  The rest of the world is not a fan of subsidies at all- it is far more likely that the subsidy racket in the US will go away than the rest of world will convert to it.

 

Unless...............  (doodeloo doodeloo doodeloo)....

 

Eddy Cue:  Hello 5 largest carriers in Europe...

Carriers: Hi....

EC:  We're Apple and we need high margins, but need you to sell more phones.  So... My proposal is this.  You continue to pay us $650 for our phones, but instead of selling them to consumers for $650 we want you to sell them to your customers for $200.

Carriers:  <crickets>.......

EC: So, who is on board?

Carriers:....   ummmm, Let me get this right, we'll be losing a ton of money in order to make you profits?.....

EC:  No, you won't.

Carriers:   ???

EC: You will change your rates to customers from $50/mo to $100/mo to more closely match US rates.  That will change your gross on a 2 year contract from $1200 to $2400.  That's $1200 more!  Taking out the Apple subsidy of $450, you still make $750 more!  Sure, the customers will end up paying more, but that's what we all want anyway, right?

Carriers:  Wow!  That sounds great!  But no way will they go for it.

EC:  They won't have a choice if you all agree to our plan.  But first, let me show you this carefully crafted document from our legal team that states we have no interest in setting prices or any concern for what you charge for rates on our competitors products.  So, ermm..... right, now that that's out of the way, where were we?

Carriers 1:  If I raise my rates to $100/mo and everyone else stays at $50/mo nobody will buy my product.

EC:  Well, you're right, and you are all not allowed to talk together to do that or it would be illegal.  But you know our terms and you know your counterparts have been offered the same terms so if you all agree to it simultaneously individually..... <wink> <wink> <nudge> <nudge>  Now this is important, we, Apple are not telling you the price to set, but if it is any more than $100/mo we're not doing it, and any less than that  your fine, but you are still paying us the same amount of money- so you really can't afford any less than that.

Carriers:  Wow, this is too good to be true....  But if Apple contracts go for $100/mo and Androids go for $50/mo all the business is going to go to Android.

EC: Well, we have this other clause in there...  We can't TELL you to raise your Android contracts from $50/mo, but our clause says whatever price you sell their contracts you have to match that price for Apple.

Carriers:  But if we do that and still have to pay you your guaranteed subsidy of $450 we'll lose our asses!

EC:  Indeed, you will, so you are probably best off setting your Apple price to $100/mo

Carriers:  But that means we would have to set our Android price to $100/mo

EC:  You said that, not me!  <wink>

Carrier Exec:  Ahhhhhh.....  I get it $$$$$$$!  Ohhhh.... and we don't have to guarantee the Android vendors the subsidy, so the extra $1200 from them will be pure profit!!!!

EC:  You are a revolutionary genius who is going to change the telecom industry, my friend!

Carriers:  Well alright then!

EC:  Who's in?

Carriers:  Ummm, we really cant sign this until the others have signed it.

EC:  I've got two in and two on the fence.

Fence sitter:  Marching orders from HQ, can't sign it unless you get the other fence sitter to sign on as well....

EC:  It would be shame for us all to lose this great deal even with 3 just because a 4th wouldn't sing.....  Besides if you sign, I'm sure they will <whistles>

FS: Okay, we're in

Other FS:  We're in too!!!!

 

That's pretty much what it would take to get subsidies in Europe, and that scenario would *never* happen in the real world

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No, I am not.You are just to ignorand and plain stupid to comprehand a simple math.

No, you are. Let me explain..

1) Apple increased by 0.3%.
2) Samsung increased market share by 1.7%
3) Everybody else lost by 2.0% cumulatively. The chart doesn't show em all but its excluding "others" I assume.

Your claim is incorrect because Apple didn't lose share to anybody.

As for the actual quarter, it wasn't the quarter when the iPhone was released, and I believe it was the Quarter the S4 was released. This doesn't bode well for Samsung when the iPhone 5s comes out, and hopefully another lower cost iPhone. That Q will be a bloodbath for Sammy.
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post #87 of 106
"Android IS DEAD."

It's obviously not dead, but it is fractured to the point where it should be (and likely is) a serious concern for Google.
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Except in this thread he is arguing against people - mostly non-Americans - who want Apple to have higher market share in their regions, and also accusing people who have been here far longer than he has of fandroidism.

Neither could be fandroids. I've taken to reporting these kind of posts - where a difference of opinion is dismissed as trolling or fandroidism, but it's as useful as tits on a bull.

Actually when Apple reduces it's prices and increases it's screen size those of you who said Apple don't care about market, will never reduce margin, or increase it's screen size will have been proven wrong; and those of us who argued for it will have been proven right.


However, in your own crazy heads you will have won the argument we never said - a $200 iPhone will free hookers, or some such nonsense.

I agree with the bolded paragraph there. I think Apple is going to reduce their costs as much as possible on a couple of world phones without sacrificing the desirability factors, and then flood the market with good, honest products. They will win by doing the right thing. At a good price, or at least a better price. It's in line with their stated mission to bring good stuff to people to enhance their lives.

Then again I could be dreaming.
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This vile Americanocentric, nationalist and often racist nonsense has to stop. start handing out bans or lose your international viewers, AI.

 

So are you denying the existence of people who can't afford iPhones, along with the availability of sub $50 Android handsets?

 

"Americanocentric" is the assumption that "Android" equals high end handsets.

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As for how safe this is - Blackberry once owned America. Now it is nowhere. A broadening of the base is required.

 

Nokia once owned Europe, fat lot of good that did them.

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"Android IS DEAD."

It's obviously not dead, but it is fractured to the point where it should be (and likely is) a serious concern for Google.

It is. They are trying hard to engineer their way out of this, but the root of the problem is not engineering.

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Nokia once owned Europe, fat lot of good that did them.

They owned a good chunk of Asia, too. But that too was another fat lot.

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Actually when Apple reduces it's prices and increases it's screen size those of you who said Apple don't care about market, will never reduce margin, or increase it's screen size will have been proven wrong; and those of us who argued for it will have been proven right.
 

I agree with the bolded paragraph there. 

You should never agree with a paragraph so replete with atrocious crimes against the English language. 

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Like I've said multiple times, Samsung doesn't have to beat Apple they just need to beat everyone else, and that's exactly what they're doing.

I generally see and agree with your logic. But on this, I choose a different path. 

 

At this point in time, Samsung HAS to beat Apple even if they don't beat everyone else. It's *personal*. Internally, they want the thermonuclear war more than Tim Cook does.

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I generally see and agree with your logic. But on this, I choose a different path. 

At this point in time, Samsung HAS to beat Apple even if they don't beat everyone else. It's *personal*. Internally, they want the thermonuclear war more than Tim Cook does.

I just don't see that ever happening, nor do I believe it's possible. Being 2nd isn't so bad especially when 3rd and 4th are so far behind. I'm actually pulling for Motorola to get it's act together but I don't think now that Google owns them that it'll happen.
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I generally see and agree with your logic. But on this, I choose a different path. 

At this point in time, Samsung HAS to beat Apple even if they don't beat everyone else. It's *personal*. Internally, they want the thermonuclear war more than Tim Cook does.

True or not true, it's an ugly thought to let pass through your fingers. Samsung's bad taste must not be allowed to prevail over Apple's good taste. The world would be much poorer for it. It would be as if News Corp. became the last extant publisher.
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You should never agree with a paragraph so replete with atrocious crimes against the English language. 

A couple of apostrophes = atrocious crimes?

British usage demands that "Apple" be a plural entity. Therefore, "Apple don't" is correct.

A semicolon can be used to separate two complete clauses that are closely related in meaning. The "and " is somewhat superfluous, but it isn't a crime.

What else?
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"Android IS DEAD."

It's obviously not dead, but it is fractured to the point where it should be (and likely is) a serious concern for Google.

 

Nah, they'll just hide slices from their pie chart to show less fragmentation.

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Nah, they'll just hide slices from their pie chart to show less fragmentation.

This just in... Google refuts fragmentation by saying 100% of Android users use Android.
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Nah, they'll just hide slices from their pie chart to show less fragmentation.

In addition to not displaying Android devices which haven't contacted the Google Play store in three months, Google has now taken to using the same name for two different releases. The Google strategy to correct fragmentation is to delay, deny, disinform and disparage the competition.
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A couple of apostrophes = atrocious crimes?

British usage demands that "Apple" be a plural entity. Therefore, "Apple don't" is correct.

A semicolon can be used to separate two complete clauses that are closely related in meaning. The "and " is somewhat superfluous, but it isn't a crime.

What else?

 

Do you even understand what he is really trying to say? You can guess but you cannot be sure. Coincidentally, you infer it to agree with your opinion :)

 

BTW, I have heard about the British preference for referring to a company as a plural entity. But I don't see that in practice. Articles in the Guardian, Financial Times, etc. all use company names as singular entities.


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True or not true, it's an ugly thought to let pass through your fingers. Samsung's bad taste must not be allowed to prevail over Apple's good taste. The world would be much poorer for it. It would be as if News Corp. became the last extant publisher.

 

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I just don't see that ever happening, nor do I believe it's possible. Being 2nd isn't so bad especially when 3rd and 4th are so far behind. I'm actually pulling for Motorola to get it's act together but I don't think now that Google owns them that it'll happen.

 

However you view Samsung, it is running solidly in second place. Given that Europe and many parts of Asia seem to prefer Galaxy over iPhone, how can we be sure that these regions won't propel Samsung to the top spot? I am not saying this is guaranteed to happen, I am just saying this is an interesting race with an unpredictable outcome. Arguably, Samsung will be toppled or stymied not by Apple but by other Android vendors. Imagine one of the Chinese vendors rising to the top of Android bunch. In Spain and other European regions, the carriers are quite keen on finding alternatives to Apple and Samsung.

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Do you even understand what he is really trying to say? You can guess but you cannot be sure. Coincidentally, you infer it to agree with your opinion :)

 

BTW, I have heard about the British preference for referring to a company as a plural entity. But I don't see that in practice. Articles in the Guardian, Financial Times, etc. all use company names as singular entities.

 

He doesn't infer anything, he understands English. What I wrote isn't even complicated British English. There is a comma delimited list of the arguments I was refuting, a correctly placed semi-colon where I go on to a different clause. Theoretically I should have used however after the semi-colon but it's not obligatory. 

 

Would it it have been easier for you if I used a full stop rather than a semi-colon? 

 

Anyway steer away from Dickens. Hemingway  is your man. H


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As for don't or doesn't. Either will work for plural entities. I wouldn't be a bore and insist.  However if we are in a debate about proper grammar, don't is better. 

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Reducing the value and success of iPhone only to subsidies is wearing a bit thin. 

 

Nobody is saying it is only subsidies.  Where prices are the same, people often choose the iPhone over other phones, which proves it is desirable.

 

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At the same time, it is impossible to ignore the importance of subsidies, or other inducements, to iPhone sales. 

 

In the US, Cricket tried to sell non subsidized iPhones for their network.  Within six months, they were facing $100 million of unsold stock.
 
In Japan, the iPhone barely sold for years, until it was offered for free (or nearly so) as part of a contract.    Instantly, sales jumped, just as one would expect.
 
In India, the iPhone sold even less for years, until Apple started offering trade-ins and payment plans.  Result: a four-fold increase in sales, although still small in comparison to the population, due to the price still being high.
 
For that matter, people forget that sales of the original unsubsidized iPhone quickly dropped off in the USA, and Apple had to infamously drop the price by $200 to get sales going again.  Even so, sales dipped again and didn't improve until the iPhone 3G came out with a subsidy.  Bam.  Instant success.
 
The reason I'm coming back to this is partly because I ran across an analysis that points out the easily visible correlation of subsidies to iPhone sales, and thought you might be interested:
 
 

 

( I added color to help those just skimming.)

 

It's not just Apple, of course.  Any high priced device will do better with subsidies.
 
However, there will always be places without subsidies.  That's why so many are calling on Apple to develop a lower priced model.   It's looking like they'll do it.
 
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As far as a budget phone.  What's the price for a used iPhone 4S when the iPhone 5 got announced? 

 

I had a budget when I bought my phone and I had the choice of iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S.  I knew the iPhone 5 was going to be released about 9 months later, but I needed a phone (first smartphone) so I wanted something that I could use until the iPhone 5 came out to see if I would just cruise along and then upgrade because paying additional money for the 4S didn't make sense to me, even though it's a better phone.  if I wanted an unlocked phone and had little money, I'd probably look at a used iPhone model from a reliable source.  I'm sure a used 4S will be cheap when the next rev iPhones come out.  OR see what else Apple has up their sleeve.  

 

If someone doesn't have much money, chances are they just want something to use that's reliable and not so feature rich compared to what's on the market as the flagship model.  So, i might be so inclined to buy a used iPhone that at least runs the latest OS and possibly the next major release OS rather than some gingerbread phone.  Haha.  

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