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post #121 of 266

Can they survive? Sure. Can they prospect at Apple-esque levels? Not if they don't start releasing some bleep bleep products already. A MacBook Air refresh that doesn't even run at the wireless speeds advertised thanks to handicapping at the OS level? Yawn. Next.

 

Apple is far from doomed, but they need to start putting their money where their mouth is with some tangible products already.

post #122 of 266
Can Apple Survive 2013?

Only if the government doesn't change tax laws to allow the $145+ BILLION the have offshore into the country. Otherwise Apple employees will be crushed under the sheer weight of all that cash dropped off at Apple headquarters.

Analysts complain Apple is "slowing" as only shallow vapid and insanely greedy first world people managing other people's money can. Apple makes more profit from handsets than ALL THE OTHER COMPANIES put together. Apple makes more profit from selling Macs than other top 5 vendors even though Apple lacks numbers. And THEN Apple runs the BIGGEST seller of various tyoes of content (music, movies, TV shows, Phone appls and Desktop apps) in each category.

In short, Apple has sat out 6 months and is merely making a few WHEELBARROWS less money than last year. Apple still leads in every industry they touch with profits more than the next two competitors (or more) combine. They can coast on what they got for years, because even though the sales have grown by 10's, the head count of the company is not even scaling by 2's because they don't own manufacturing, just engineering.

What's important is that they don't cave to Wall Street and put "shareholder value" above actual cash in hand profit like Microsoft did. Microsoft coud be far richer than Apple if they stopped the silly "monopoly in everything" games and cut all the products that have been losing money (and making lawyers rich with govt lawsuits) for decades. Microsoft has been chasing market share with billion dollar losing projects while Wall Street rewarded it for trying, base on how many companies it put out of business, not how well it was converting CASH to NEW PROFIT. Right now, nobody else out there is turning cash investment (R&D, capital improvements) into new profit like Apple.
post #123 of 266
Total pile of BS and FUD.

Apple is constantly showing up in headline after headline about adoption of iPads and sometimes even iPhones by this or that company or school. Reports of developers creating for iOS but not Android etc

Apple will do just fine against this Android threat.
Edited by charlituna - 6/30/13 at 9:12am
post #124 of 266

Of course Apple can survive.  The world expects them to come out with grand slams every few years.  Well, guess what - that may not happen again for a long time to come.  

 

It is the Microsoft syndrome. Microsoft makes most of its money off of Windows and Office.  There isn't another product line that makes the same significant cash flow.  The Xbox comes close.  That is the main reason their stock has been stagnant for so long.  They've had too many failures to create the next multi-billion dollars leg to their company.  Zune and the Kin are just two of the memorable flops.

 

Apple released the iDevices but what's next?  Nobody has a really good an answer.  An iWatch?  Is that going to revolutionize the watch industry?  Who knows?  

 

Apple is a mature company with mature product lines.  An iWatch could simply be a logical extension of the iPods, but not a major category.  Investors need to stop looking for grand slams.  The Apple TV is slowly but surely turning into a mature product.  With more and more channels of content for the device it is only a matter of time before it goes mainstream.

 

Apple has already shown its intensions for the auto industry yet the market didn't seem to react to the news.  Apple's future strategy is pretty clear then: home theatre and autos while evolving their other ecosystems and tying them altogether in the iCloud.

 

Yes, Apple will survive and thrive. 

post #125 of 266
Apple's biggest most serious competitor, long term, is not google, Samsung or any other corporation. It's IndieGoGo, KickStarter and the rise of the indie developers. They have the power to change everything where as the corporations are more or less stuck and have too much at stake to make something truly game changing. Indies can focus on the small picture and create super smart and inventive things, where the corporations are stuck trying to invent the Swiss knife all over again.
post #126 of 266
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No.

Apple (lately) is more like the scientist who claims to have cured cancer, but actually just copied another scientist who really cured it 2 years ago.

With your analogy isn't it more like there is not absolute cure for cancer. Just slightly different ways of dealing with it. There is no absolute way to handle a function. People take different approaches or copied approaches. If apple copied then android copied the basis of apple first. No doubt apple copied some things from others. It doesn't matter who copied who as long as it isn't detailed patented. We gotta stop letting general patents. Otherwise I am patenting the motion of breathing air and drinking water and charging everyone in the world 10 cents a day for its use.
post #127 of 266
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This DED guys is short on facts on logic, and fails to ever believe that Apple could make a mistake, or fumble a bit.

 

Maybe we are both reading different articles, but his critique of the Google Android approach appeared to be coming mainly from the historic perspective of Apple's disastrous spell in the 90s, when its much-recommended strategy of licensing its OS to all-comers only succeeded in denting its own already-minuscule market share and profit margins in one fell swoop. Hardly a glowing commendation of Apple's past strategies.

 

The Zune analogies also hold true for Google's own fledgling hardware efforts to date, an error compounded by outright purchase of the 3rd party hardware vendor for a princely sum with no forseeable benefit. No shortage of logic there, or on the issue of fragmentation adversely impacting the fortunes of the vast majority of Android vendors bar one, whose strategy is a curiously identical clone of Apple's right down to the packaging and advertising levels.

 

It does help to read and comprehend the entire article before commenting, whilst disregarding the occasional typo and malapropism, which is an amusing by-product of DED's analytical brilliance. (You are no paragon of grammar yourself the way you mix your singular and plural nouns and verbs, LoL). You may disagree with this analysis but a bit of antithesis would help to rebut it, rather than a farrago of personal invective aimed at the writer in particular and AI in general.

 

I mean, what are you doing commenting  with such vehemence on this article if it is, by your own assertion, a low-volume backwater of a blog site with a nonentity for an author? Surely silence would be the best answer for a fool, or not?

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Edited by airmanchairman - 6/30/13 at 3:14am
post #128 of 266
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What I do do is point out the inconsistencies in these articles, and support the increase of Apple's market share with lower priced models, which goes against the religious fervour of the kind of buffoon now spewing his inarticulate ill formed rants across a once great site

And I am aiming to get morons like you who want to curtail debate on this forum banned. This used to be a place of normal people, who criticised Apples delays, supported some form factors, opposed others, until the APPLE CAN DO NO WRONG CULTISTS turned up and basically ruined it.

Do us all a favour and join the Scientology cult. Or some other cult. This is a discussion with people who may have different opions.

Sorry if my quote of yours is out of context, but I agree.

 

It doesn't matter if I have purchased 50k worth of hardware designed by Apple, when I post a grievance of a minor/major item in any thread I get "bashed" or probably hidden.  This has become rather cultish.  I don't really mind if I'm hidden...

 

I find it even more hilarious that if I walk into an APPL store, they immediately know my purchasing history (products owned) and will even pull up service bulletins and show that the issue is being worked on.  On this site if you mention that you own an APPL product (even worse if multiple) it's literally Troll Rule #1.  What gives?  Heck I even buy them as gifts for friends and family.  I always see them using them so they must be good gifts...

 

I posted my dismay about "Full Screen Apps and Airplay Mirroring" since it's debut.  I opened multiple threads with Apple.  Posted them as bugs "when I full screen an app I have two beautiful linen paperweights".  Lowe and behold the newest OSX update fixes everything (was a "tent pole feature") that I complained about officially with Apple.  No one ever said I might have been right here.  That it was a complete debacle put forth by a company who advocates using multiple displays.  I figured just saying that would get me banned.  I guess not seeing the senior posters apparently did not try to get me banned.

 

My point being that you'll either be ignored, called a troll, or bashed until APPL fixes the problem.  However, once they fix it... the issue never even happened!  LOL!

post #129 of 266
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I might be a little narrow-sighted but $705 - $385 pretty much indicates who has control over the smartphone industry and it isn't Apple. I'm absolutely certain shareholders will not put up with another 20% - 30% share price drop without some major investor defections. You can talk about profit margins and net usage and all those other seemingly unimportant numbers but if Apple's company value continues to collapse, none of those numbers will amount to a hill of beans. Apple will be as good as dead.

The news media and computer industry will continue to have a field day over Apple's incompetence. Apple is already the laughingstock of tech companies and pretty much considered to be a company quickly on the wane. Everyone is ripping Apple except consumers, however, as less iPhones are sold, it will be pointed out that consumers are also turning away from Apple. Only Apple knows how well it is really doing and all the news stories may only be fabricated. But the way I see it, if Apple's value continues to decline there doesn't seem to be any point of making excuses for the company. Apple really appears to be a company leisurely swimming upstream and not making any headway. Just merely happy to stay in one spot.


Your post is based on a fundamental mistake.


What you say is "value".

What you mean is "market valuation".


These are two completely different things.
post #130 of 266
This has to be Dilger's most egregious Straw Man ever.

Get a life son, it's only a company, not a religion.
post #131 of 266
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Well let me stop you right there: this is the Internet! We don't need facts or logic.

 

Wait! Let me get a cup of tea, this is going to be a good one.

post #132 of 266
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I might be a little narrow-sighted but $705 - $385 pretty much indicates who has control over the smartphone industry and it isn't Apple. 
 
Google's share price of $705 has little or nothing to do with its indifferent financial performance in the smartphone sector, and more to do with its core competency, search-based advertising on the desktop platform. Apple's share price of $385 is a mysterious travesty to all but those shysters manipulating stocks to their profit. All subjective perception based on few facts if any at all.
 
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You can talk about profit margins and net usage and all those other seemingly unimportant numbers but if Apple's company value continues to collapse, none of those numbers will amount to a hill of beans. Apple will be as good as dead.
 
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Everyone is ripping Apple except consumers
 
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Apple is already the laughingstock of tech companies and pretty much considered to be a company quickly on the wane.
 
So lets see: By your own analysis - on the plus side, industry-leading Profit Margins and Profit Share, dominant Net Usage, overwhelming Consumer Support and loyalty are seemingly "unimportant numbers", indications of a company in decline in a profit- and sales-based capitalist global economy, while the more significant parameters in your estimation are the negative factors of its market valuation (still world-leading, despite the share price slump) and the laughing stock and scorn of "tech companies" and "everyone except consumers"?
 
No wonder Apple seems to be a company "leisurely swimming upstream", if those latter points, all subjective presumption and opinionated speculation are the only factors militating against it... many leading "tech companies" would give their eye-teeth to be in such an "unenviable" position as the Fruity Deity :-)

Edited by airmanchairman - 6/30/13 at 3:09am
post #133 of 266

Yay! Nice op-ed. Go Dilger!

post #134 of 266

"so you're not going to cure my obesity? What a jerk!" 1biggrin.gif

post #135 of 266
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Apple's biggest most serious competitor, long term, is not google, Samsung or any other corporation. It's IndieGoGo, KickStarter and the rise of the indie developers. They have the power to change everything where as the corporations are more or less stuck and have too much at stake to make something truly game changing. Indies can focus on the small picture and create super smart and inventive things, where the corporations are stuck trying to invent the Swiss knife all over again.

These days if you have a successful startup (i.e. good idea, lasted 2 years, good growth), one of the big guys will just buy you out. You don't have to accept but they will make it a tough decision!

post #136 of 266

Analysts are so down on Apple because they have this idea stuck in their heads that manufacturing is the past, and software (Microsoft) and services (Google) are the future.

 

But in some ways software is commoditizing too. Operating systems are certainly a commodity (Android and Linux). There's a variety of office types apps. And services are just software (admittedly big data software): running on a server. It's hard to set up a data centre, but a startup can just rent one from Amazon.

 

The point I am making is that Tim is right: the value these days is at the *intersection* of hardware/software/services: in making them all work together. Not in any one of the 3 alone. Making them work smoothly together is the non-commoditized challenge humanity currently faces. Just like in the 80s compatibility was the challenge and Microsoft solved that (these days the Internet solves it and MS is no longer solving valuable problem). So investors/analysts should really be bullish on Apple as they are at today's value point.

post #137 of 266
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Totally agree.  

 

I think with good editing (and an attitude that would allow him to allow someone else to edit his stuff), DED could be one of the best writers in the industry because his ideas are great, his research is usually better than most and he has insight and a sense of humour.  However, sloppy mistakes and being overly wordy, kill the mood and turn off the reader.  

 

I'll fix that for you, for free: However, sloppy mistakes and being overly wordy, kill the mood and turn off the superficial reader.  

Competent readers and enquirers go for the essence, the core message and disregard all else...

post #138 of 266
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Your post is based on a fundamental mistake.


What you say is "value".

What you mean is "market valuation".


These are two completely different things.

Yes, and recently (in my life time at least) those of us in America had a president escape Impeachment due to the definition of the word "is".

 

I'm very well versed in the stock exchange.  There should be a separate forum for such topics.

post #139 of 266
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software (Microsoft) and services (Google) are the future.

 

But in some ways software is commoditizing too. Operating systems are certainly a commodity (Android and Linux). There's a variety of office types apps. And services are just software (admittedly big data software) 

 

The point I am making is that Tim is right: the value these days is at the *intersection* of hardware/software/services: in making them all work together. Not in any one of the 3 alone. Making them work smoothly together is the non-commoditized challenge humanity currently faces. Just like in the 80s compatibility was the challenge and Microsoft solved that (these days the Internet solves it and MS is no longer solving valuable problem). So investors/analysts should really be bullish on Apple as they are at today's value point.

The non-comoditized item is what I call the (Under O.S.)  An operating system that can run anything quote "below it".

 

I know people who are developing this and it will be a bain/pain to Google, MS, and APPL.  It's the highest common denominator.

 

I honestly didn't give anything away that wasn't already cemented.  Besides what I already deleted.


Edited by Vadania - 6/30/13 at 3:52am
post #140 of 266
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Analysts are so down on Apple because they have this idea stuck in their heads that manufacturing is the past, and software (Microsoft) and services (Google) are the future.

 

But in some ways software is commoditizing too. Operating systems are certainly a commodity (Android and Linux). There's a variety of office types apps. And services are just software (admittedly big data software): running on a server. It's hard to set up a data centre, but a startup can just rent one from Amazon.

 

The point I am making is that Tim is right: the value these days is at the *intersection* of hardware/software/services: in making them all work together. Not in any one of the 3 alone. Making them work smoothly together is the non-commoditized challenge humanity currently faces. Just like in the 80s compatibility was the challenge and Microsoft solved that (these days the Internet solves it and MS is no longer solving valuable problem). So investors/analysts should really be bullish on Apple as they are at today's value point.

 

Agree both with you and the analysts, but while manufacturing may well be the past and SaaS the future, Vertical Integration (Apple and Samsung), which is a brilliant combination of both approaches, is very much the present, and a solid foundation from which to prepare for the future.

 

From this perspective, Samsung has a ways to go on the software integration side (Tizen or possibly a fork of Android in mobile, weaning itself off Windows on the desktop, etcetera) while Microsoft and Google either need to concentrate on their core software/services competencies, or make more convincing efforts at creating an impression on the hardware front (XBox, Surface, Nexus and Glass are yet to gain sufficient traction in the market to boost their prospects). Apple on the other hand, already established hardware- and retail-wise, is well on the way to fusing its mobile (iOS) and desktop (OS X) software offerings in the iCloud, with big data infrastructure projects well under way in the USA (no doubt overseas expansion will follow  hard on the heels of their worldwide retail forays).

 

So yes, the market should be far more bullish on Apple's prospects than they currently are, a travesty of a mystery that only time will justify or condemn as the future unfolds.


Edited by airmanchairman - 6/30/13 at 4:06am
post #141 of 266
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The non-comoditized item is what I call the (Under O.S.)  An operating system that can run anything quote "below it".

 

I know people who are developing this and it will be a bain/pain to Google, MS, and APPL.  It's the highest common denominator.

 

I honestly didn't give anything away that wasn't already cemented.  Besides what I already deleted.

Doesn't VMware/hypervisor kind of already solve that? It's not one OS that can run any app, but it lets you run any app just by having e.g. a Windows VM, a Linux VM, a Mac VM all on the same machine. As I said compatibility is not a valuable problem to solve any more, the Internet already lets people swap data amongst heterogeneous platforms. Integration is today's hard problem.

post #142 of 266
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So yes, the market should be far more bullish on Apple's prospects than they currently are, a travesty of a mystery that only time will justify or condemn as the future unfolds.

I honestly don't get it myself. It's either financial games, or the analysts really don't grok Tim's point about the value being in integration: they can only think about software OR services OR hardware and not realise there is a fourth thing: the relationship between them. But people aren't that stupid, so it must be some sort of finance move/scheme.

post #143 of 266
Android is a great phone OS. I was an iPhone user for years, but I jumped to the Android side of things because I'm a cheapskate (saved over 2k over 2 years switching to Android on Virgin Mobile). I can do everything on my Android phone I could do on my iPhone. In some ways its more capable. I like being able to download stuff from the internet, for example. It's nice having a small file system on my phone that you can actually access. I like the way Google Voice integrates into the phone (Someone stalking you? Block their calls. Permanently.) I prefer Google services over Apple services, and mobile is a lot about the service back-bone rather than the actual device or OS. I think it's absolutely crazy that Apple is trying to do all this stuff (map service, cloud service etc etc) on their own. It leaves their customers with less choice, and it means that Apple has to devote significant resources to maintaining aspects of their operations which are not profit centers (how exactly are they going to monetize their map service?)
Apple makes fantastic hardware (though the glass on the back of the iPhone 4 and 5 is plain stupid) and their OS is solid (though I hate the games they play with developers and the app store) so it's a nice solution for a lot of people.
On the other hand, Android, while less reliable and more "tweaky", gets the job done as well, and is actually a better choice for people that want maximum flexibility, the best access to Google services, and are maybe even a little cheap. Plus, Widgets!
post #144 of 266

Very astute argument Dan. It absolutely staggers me that none of the big IT companies have had the sense to do what Steve Jobs started at Apple with the iMac and Mac OSX, and that the shareholders of those companies have not started demanding the heads of their overpaid and under-performing CEOs. Sadly, it will be many years before Apple has a serious competitor because it takes many years to do what Steve Jobs did at Apple. And by then Apple will be many years in advance of where they are now. People seem to love nit-picking at Apple products, but the real genius of Apple is the design process, not just of individual products, but of the entire 'ecosystem'. That is very, very hard to copy, let alone beat.

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Android is a great phone OS. I was an iPhone user for years, but I jumped to the Android side of things because I'm a cheapskate (saved over 2k over 2 years switching to Android on Virgin Mobile). I can do everything on my Android phone I could do on my iPhone. In some ways its more capable. I like being able to download stuff from the internet, for example. It's nice having a small file system on my phone that you can actually access. I like the way Google Voice integrates into the phone (Someone stalking you? Block their calls. Permanently.) I prefer Google services over Apple services, and mobile is a lot about the service back-bone rather than the actual device or OS. I think it's absolutely crazy that Apple is trying to do all this stuff (map service, cloud service etc etc) on their own. It leaves their customers with less choice, and it means that Apple has to devote significant resources to maintaining aspects of their operations which are not profit centers (how exactly are they going to monetize their map service?)
Apple makes fantastic hardware (though the glass on the back of the iPhone 4 and 5 is plain stupid) and their OS is solid (though I hate the games they play with developers and the app store) so it's a nice solution for a lot of people.
On the other hand, Android, while less reliable and more "tweaky", gets the job done as well, and is actually a better choice for people that want maximum flexibility, the best access to Google services, and are maybe even a little cheap. Plus, Widgets!

 

I wouldn't know about saving money with Android, but I am pretty much sure you don't understand the Apple offering so it makes sense your are using Google's.

 

There are 2 opposite contexts, 2 opposite mentalities and therefore approaches. Let me show you how I feel about things you pointed out:

 

- free downloading of files without control from app scares a hell out of me, I wouldn't want it for security and hygienic reasons (I have to clean up disk drive from my Mac every now and then, for example...) and I really see not case, where this could be useful to me also on mobile device...concept is different, phone and tablets are not squeezed notebooks..

- access file system from outside? read my points above and beside, I expect my files to be accessible from cloud everywhere, not from my mobile device as some twisted idea of portable disk drive...

- blocking the calls? it is no issue for me, if it was, i can activate app or it can be new feature in iOS7 (old for you, you will most probably say, Apple is waaaaayyy behind Android and stuff like that...) but I really se no value in this feature, it is a gadget-like feature. Can be there, but I don't miss it at all...

- Apple could stay with Google maps, however Google was the one that started omitting features for iOS in spite of the fact that vast majority of Google's revenue comes from iOS. Apple simple realized that Google are the bastards and that they have to get rid dependency on the, Similarly to Samsung. I think Apple has done a great job with maps in only one year and content will improve substantially very soon, they still haven't learned the process of quality assurance in this area. But they will.

- Cloud services?  Apple has opposite idea to others. Apple sees Cloud as way for application to communicate to each other and not just sharing and storing files. Apps that support iCloud are waaaaaay more efficient in it that anything from Google I have seen and used. However, it is not opened as Google's. I would like to have document share in iCloud, but not in a way that Google has, where a stupid colleague can do a lot of damage. Still, above all I would like to have Xcode projects in iCloud, hope to see that soon...

- do you honestly believe Apple cannot and won't monetize on Maps service? How long after introduction has monetizing of Google's Maps started?

- "...though I hate the games they play with developers and the app store..." I like those games they play with us on app store. I am much better developer since I started to develop on iOS that I was ever before on any platform. I also like idea my software is not being pirated by stupid geek who think stealing a piece for dollar is an achievement to show of in front of girls in school...

- "... the best access to Google services..." see, you answered to yourself: Google are thieves and disloyal, dishonest "partners", Apple must go away from them.

- "...Plus, Widgets!..."  that is actually hilarious :))

 

So, summarized, you just wrote your perception without any real argument, except "open and flexible" which is already well knowing blablabla and serves nothing. I develop in team of iOS and Android and I know what the problems of Android and iOS are. Apple has really different approach to problems: if the cannot solve them, they don't show them. That's why Apple works for people.

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It's a fairly standard thing in software dev for developers to receive a requirements document specifying functionality, including what the GUI will look like, and they're expected to just implement it. I don't think devs would quit over the design team giving them a GUI specification, it would just seem normal practice.
Well I haven't heard any rumors of software design/human interface team members revolting over iOS 7. And as I said, watching some of the WWDC developer videos, the Apple software engineers hosting them sure seemed excited about what they were showing off. I didn't get the feeling any of them were going through the motions pretending to be excited or embarrassed about what they had to show.
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But we did. Before WWDC13 Gruber came out and said iOS 7 would be "polarising." At that point, before it was publicly available, who could have been polarised but the people at Apple?
http://www.macrumors.com/2013/06/09/ios-7-all-the-leaks-are-wrong/
Well Gruber wasn't right as all the leaks weren't wrong. Most of the leaks from 9to5Mac were accurate. Also as far as "polarizing", Gruber didn't mean that people at Apple were polarized but that they knew the public probably would be because its such a big change and so different from iOS 6 visually. But so far none of them have reported any internal revolt at Apple over iOS 7. Considering we got a number of leaks prior to WWDC if there was anything like that it would've leaked somehow. Just like that article in Fast Company last year that claimed some employees (Including Ive) were against the skeuomorphic design language. This article came about a month or so before Forstall was let go.

http://www.fastcodesign.com/1670760/will-apples-tacky-software-design-philosophy-cause-a-revolt
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Android has been catching up for the past 5 years, by making it look and more and more like iOS. iOS is never about feature piling, remember iPhone did not even have 3G. Only iOS 4 added multi tasking. Blackberry had that well before 2007. Those things are NOT important. iOS has always excelled on intuitiveness and fluidity, which Android could never match. Some idiots deride Apple was for non tech people, that is actually the highest compliments for developer/designers, because they took pains to make their product easy to use. iOS 7 has neither. It is stupid and ugly. After using it a day I switched back to iOS 6 and could not be happier.
Then stay on iOS 6. I'm sure Scott Forstall will be pleased.

I'm certainly glad you're not the one making decisions at Apple. Btw, the multitasking in iOS 7 (along with control center) got some of the loudest cheers at WWDC keynote. So obviously developers don't agree that these things are not important. And after Apple ran the video on iOS 7 it got a standings ovation from some of the developers in the audience. So not everyone thinks its stupid and ugly.
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Can they survive? Sure. Can they prospect at Apple-esque levels? Not if they don't start releasing some bleep bleep products already. A MacBook Air refresh that doesn't even run at the wireless speeds advertised thanks to handicapping at the OS level? Yawn. Next.

Here a food for thought. Might be able to enlighten you if you're not too thick already.

"MacBook Air has impacted their (owner) lives. It's a game changer."

http://thenextweb.com/apple/2013/06/30/we-asked-8-new-macbook-air-owners-how-the-extended-battery-has-impacted-their-life-heres-what-they-said/?awesm=tnw.to_t5qm&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Spreadus&utm_campaign=social%20media
post #149 of 266
I get so tired of the Wall Street, talking heads, always up in Apple's sh--. Apple will always make unique, very well made products. So funny, if Apple isn't tidal waving the category the press and Wall Street go crazy. I love Appleinsider, so don't jump on that money whore bandwagon guys.
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I'm late to this conversation, but Apple has the highest customer loyalty of any brand, period. There's no doubt they'll be successful this year and for years to come. As much crap as I give them here, I have a hard time leaving them because not only are their products damn good, but their service is just out of this world. If anything Samsung will suffer thinner margins this year and rake in smaller profits, if not a loss, on Android products. I think they just have too many products on the market. Apple has only 4 iOS products on the market and doing very well.

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Lots of BB users switched to android lately because BB just didnt keep up, but with BB10 they are back and with the q10 we have a modern smartphone with a high quality physical portrate orientation  keyboard so I think within a year we will see a sales split of abut 35% iphone, 40% android, 22% BB and 3% win phone 

 

I doubt I'm the only person who misses the real keyboard from BB, I could type so fast, without looking at the kb, would be nice to get tht back...

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Well, I'm sure Apple will still be strong some more years. But I think it's lost it's magic (or common sense) and the growth will quicky slow down%u2026
I haven't seen so many (in my opinion) bad decisions from Apple the last 15 years as in the last few months. At least I am concerned.
I already started looking for alternatives, something I haven't done the last 10 years.
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Total pile of BS and FUD.

Apple is constantly showing u in headline after headline about adoption of iPads and sometimes even iPhones by this or that company or school. Reports of developers creating for iOS but got Android etc

Apple will do just fine against this Android threat.

People who buy ipads for large school systems and to a lesser extent companies are either fanboys or ignorant suckers, possibly both...How are the students in LA public schools supposed to write term papers on their iPads? with pages.app and no file system? good luck with that...

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Analysts are so down on Apple because they have this idea stuck in their heads that manufacturing is the past, and software (Microsoft) and services (Google) are the future.

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The point I am making is that Tim is right: the value these days is at the *intersection* of hardware/software/services: in making them all work together. . . .

Clearly put.

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Android is regarded a omniscient deity that gets credit for everything positive that ever happens without also getting blamed for all of the ugly cruelty and suffering in the world. Apple is more like the scientist who cures cancer, only to hear complaints of "why didn't you do that last year?" and "so you're not going to cure my obesity? What a jerk!"

 

Holy shit. Are you serious? The two straw men and obvious partisanship aside here, my goodness this is an incredibly childish and overly simplistic characterization.

 

I mean I guess it is an editorial, but at least it could be a good one.

 

And I'm an Apple fan!

 

P.S. The subtle jab at people of faith is not lost either. Sheesh. Grow up.

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- free downloading of files without control from app scares a hell out of me, I wouldn't want it for security and hygienic reasons (I have to clean up disk drive from my Mac every now and then, for example...) and I really see not case, where this could be useful to me also on mobile device...concept is different, phone and tablets are not squeezed notebooks..

 

 

Would someone be willing to explain the essential difference between a tablet and a notebook? I see this distinction made a lot but have never really understood its justification. With the except of form factor, the distinction seems like an artificial barrier rooted in culture rather than technical merit. To me, smartphones and tablets are highly portable computers with touch interfaces. They run general purpose operating systems, albeit optimized for touch and low-memory/low-power environments. Why, then, are concepts familiar from Macs (such as downloading files to a common storage area) to be feared on tablets? Do touch interfaces make downloading files more dangerous? Why is it more secure if you associate a file with a program immediately rather than later?


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Lots of BB users switched to android lately because BB just didnt keep up, but with BB10 they are back and with the q10 we have a modern smartphone with a high quality physical portrate orientation  keyboard so I think within a year we will see a sales split of abut 35% iphone, 40% android, 22% BB and 3% win phone 

 

I doubt I'm the only person who misses the real keyboard from BB, I could type so fast, without looking at the kb, would be nice to get tht back...

 

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You're even funnier than the other guys.

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Very astute argument Dan. It absolutely staggers me that none of the big IT companies have had the sense to do what Steve Jobs started at Apple with the iMac and Mac OSX, and that the shareholders of those companies have not started demanding the heads of their overpaid and under-performing CEOs. Sadly, it will be many years before Apple has a serious competitor because it takes many years to do what Steve Jobs did at Apple. And by then Apple will be many years in advance of where they are now. People seem to love nit-picking at Apple products, but the real genius of Apple is the design process, not just of individual products, but of the entire 'ecosystem'. That is very, very hard to copy, let alone beat.

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Seems like had to address led article bout Apple holding 75% web traffic in US.
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Would someone be willing to explain the essential difference between a tablet and a notebook? I see this distinction made a lot but have never really understood its justification. With the except of form factor, the distinction seems like an artificial barrier rooted in culture rather than technical merit. To me, smartphones and tablets are highly portable computers with touch interfaces. They run general purpose operating systems, albeit optimized for touch and low-memory/low-power environments. Why, then, are concepts familiar from Macs (such as downloading files to a common storage area) to be feared on tablets? Do touch interfaces make downloading files more dangerous? Why is it more secure if you associate a file with a program immediately rather than later?

 

It's not about physical differences, it's all about different concept. it took me quite a long to realize what Apple actually wanted to achieve: zero admin computer. What is BS on the "normal" computer and unachievable goal, was skillfully achieved on new device on new form factor? Why so late? Why on mobile device? Because mobile device is all about resources, easy of use and efficiency. That's why touch screen and zero maintenance approach with everything being available on the tip of your finger including auto installation apps and  complete ecosystem.

 

These devices need to be ultra efficient for people to use it on the way, where they don't sit comfortably and have enormous amount of time to resolve usual "desktop computer" problems. They should offer no-maintenance user experience to be available to everybody. That is how kids and old people can use it, that it how so many computer poorly literate people today can be enormously productive and contribute in the world.

 

As soon as you bring "open interface" you opened the door of "classic computing". Google, Samsung and other Android players understand that as well, of course, but they just don't care about users. They have reinvent the WIndows wheel on mobile devices, bringing same old crap to mobile world, perhaps even far worse that Windows ever...

 

They don't care about users. Google just want's monopoly on search and services and hardware manufacturers just need something to load on device, since they have no software, no ecosystem, no nothing...

 

Apple fails sometimes to address obvious needs of the market and they can make bad decision, of course. But they are far beyond anybody in understanding customer and caring really for their experience. This is how they get loyal customer base. If they make large screen iPhone which is cheaper than S4, 90% of S4 goes to sewer in one year and users switch to iPhone. How much of that can be see vice a versa?

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