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Originally Posted by Constable Odo View Post

I might be a little narrow-sighted but $705 - $385 pretty much indicates who has control over the smartphone industry and it isn't Apple.

Stock value has nothing to do with market share, profit share etc.

Especially when you look at the history of those drops and the rumors, expectations etc put out by the so called experts and analysts. Their BS, not the facts of Apple's performance, are what dropped the price

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post #162 of 266
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Originally Posted by Flyboyrls View Post

Good tongue in cheek article. Previous explanation for those that didn't see the humor!

"Android" phones are everywhere, but most of them have never seen an OS update, and NEVER will!

You haven't been around long enough to know that he's not being 'tongue in cheek'.

He's being nonsense spewing hit whore and does it every weekend with AIs blessing cause they have little to no news to bring in ad money.

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post #163 of 266
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You think you know anything? You think Jobs kept Ive's fingers from iOS all these years just because he was stupid? And Forstall had been doing a lousy job all these years? Ive could just burst in and build something better than the old team had been doing 8 years? Get your brain checked? If iOS 7 is release as the current form, 5 years later Apple will be today's Blackberry. Mark my words.

You don't know anything either. About what was happening at Apple. About Ive and his knowledge or skills. About what will happen in five years.

So if up you are going to imply that someone needs to shut it over their lack of knowledge, you need to do the same for being just as guilty

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post #164 of 266

This editorial is pure bunk.  The author started out with a false premise and just ran it the entire time.  Google is not looking to replicate what Apple is doing.  Google is primarily a search company that's makes most of it revenue through advertising dollars.  Their goal is to put Google services on as many products as possible so it makes perfect sense for them to offer Android free - the Android OEMs are making Google’s services available to the general public.

 

Second, the Motorola purchase was for patents and nothing more.  I'm sure they want Motorola to be profitable because that's better than it being a drag on the company but patent acquisition was the main goal.

 

Lastly, I would put Android 2.3 almost on par with iOS 6.  I have an LG revolution that I purchased about 2 and a half years ago and I haven't seen anything iOS can do that it can't do.  Even with the fragmentation most Android phones are as capable of doing anything iOS can do.

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Steve obviously felt hardware and software needed to be kept separate. I doubt it had to do with anything specific about Ive. If someone else had been running ID they wouldn't have had control of software design under Steve either.

And he might have been wrong. In fact given that Apple has long been about 'the total system' it is likely that he was.

But he was blinded by something and never tried the switch. Which is why the fresh eyes of Cook are a very good thing. He was able to say 'you know if we are selling it as a total system we should create it that way and have our teams working together' and to see that someone like Forstall, who allegedly only played nice with Steve, just wasn't going to fit in this new idea.

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post #166 of 266
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Originally Posted by Patrick Smith View Post

Second, the Motorola purchase was for patents and nothing more.

They're sure not acting like it's worth anything more than that! lol.gif

"Too bad" the patents haven't worked out at all, either.
post #167 of 266
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But we did. Before WWDC13 Gruber came out and said iOS 7 would be "polarising." At that point, before it was publicly available, who could have been polarised but the people at Apple?

He was referring to the public reaction not anything internal.

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post #168 of 266
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Originally Posted by genovelle View Post

Last year Google tried to upstage Apple by saying they were doing things that Apple was rumored to be coming out with, like the 3D flyover.  They finally came out many months later.  This year because Apple sealed the leaks, Google had nothing really new to show but Google Glasses. How is that useful?

But they have started work in their smart watch and game console, before Apple can get theirs out

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post #169 of 266

I have been with an iPhone for nearly 2 years first on a 4S and now on a 5. Before that I was with Android since the iPhone wasn't offered on my carrier and I absolutely detested AT&T since that was my previous carrier and the coverage sucked for me. I literally couldn't make a call inside my home and had to go out in the yard with AT&T. Here is my take. iOS 6 is a very stable and functional OS that is far and away better than Android 2.3 AKA gingerbread. That was the last OS I used before I switched to an iPhone. I have had a chance to play around on some friend's phones like the HTC DNA and Samsung Galaxy S4 and it is clear to me at least that Jellybean has come a very long way and made some big improvements over 2.3. Now that also has a lot to do with a massive hardware leap since then as well but it is a nice OS. I found it very fast and responsive. I liked the changes to the UI and it is very stable. I think it has matured to what I would call a fished OS where 2.3 always felt like a beta or unfinished. I would even go so far as to say that Android 4.2.2 is as good as iOS 6 though both still have some advantages or disadvantages over the other one according to personal taste. But it can compete with iOS 6. That is why I am excited about iOS 7 because I believe Apple listened to a lot of the feedback and really added many missing parts and also gave it a much needed and more modern facelift. 

 

I think it is a huge mistake to label people that choose Android over an iPhone as idiots, or poor, or misinformed, or so many other negative terms. No doubt many do fall into those categories but the same applies to iPhone buyers as well. I have many bright friends with very high incomes that prefer Android for a number of reasons. None of them hate Apple by the way and many have an iPad and Mac as well. The biggest reason I hear by far is the screen size. They simply like a bigger display because it makes everything easier to read and view. Some simply like the better integration of Google services. Others still like the customization and flexibility especially installing custom ROM's which allows endless possibilities. But one thing I can tell you is that I have never met a person outside this forum who has a love or hate relationship with Apple or Google or Samsung or any other company. They view these phones as tools with no more attachment than you would have for your TV or lawn mower. I really am mystified by the level of passion that these topics elicit amongst some posters over smart phones. Buy what works best for you and stop trying to convince other people they are wrong or are idiots because they made a different choice. That is why these articles seem so silly to me because the try and paint these companies as evil when they are simply trying to make money and good products. Now you might think their products suck but this really is not a battle of good vs. evil and to 99% of the public that don't ever visit tech forums they would find this thinking and passion over phones humorous. 

post #170 of 266
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Originally Posted by MacTel View Post

Of course Apple can survive.  The world expects them to come out with grand slams every few years.  Well, guess what - that may not happen again for a long time to come.  

It is the Microsoft syndrome. Microsoft makes most of its money off of Windows and Office.  There isn't another product line that makes the same significant cash flow.  The Xbox comes close.  That is the main reason their stock has been stagnant for so long.  They've had too many failures to create the next multi-billion dollars leg to their company.  Zune and the Kin are just two of the memorable flops.

Apple released the iDevices but what's next?  Nobody has a really good an answer.  An iWatch?  Is that going to revolutionize the watch industry?  Who knows?  

Apple is a mature company with mature product lines.  An iWatch could simply be a logical extension of the iPods, but not a major category.  Investors need to stop looking for grand slams.  The Apple TV is slowly but surely turning into a mature product.  With more and more channels of content for the device it is only a matter of time before it goes mainstream.

Apple has already shown its intensions for the auto industry yet the market didn't seem to react to the news.  Apple's future strategy is pretty clear then: home theatre and autos while evolving their other ecosystems and tying them altogether in the iCloud.

Yes, Apple will survive and thrive. 

Any consumer product category that is ripe for innovation, has the potential for a large high-end consumer audience and cannot be easily entered by competitors is a possibility for Apple now. Apply their style and electronics to some segment that is in disarray or is begging for creativity and style and what do you come up with?

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post #171 of 266
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People who buy ipads for large school systems and to a lesser extent companies are either fanboys or ignorant suckers, possibly both...

Or they aren't and its just your nasty biased opinion at play here.
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How are the students in LA public schools supposed to write term papers on their iPads? with pages.app and no file system? good luck with that...

You don't need a file system to write a paper. Although iPads to have one, just not one that can be seen by the users because it doesn't need to be.

And that lack of a user viewable etc file system is something I'm sure the decision makers are aware of and saw it for the non issue that it is. After all, they would be more concerned about the quality of the writing in the content of the paper and not whether there's a Finder for you to move the file around.

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post #172 of 266
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People who buy ipads for large school systems and to a lesser extent companies are either fanboys or ignorant suckers, possibly both...

Ludicrous nonsense. Go find another website to spew your crap.
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How are the students in LA public schools supposed to write term papers on their iPads? with pages.app and no file system? good luck with that...

Have you ever written a term paper? You need no such thing. Because you don't have the first clue what you're on about.
post #173 of 266
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Originally Posted by eyeakel View Post

I get so tired of the Wall Street, talking heads, always up in Apple's sh--. Apple will always make unique, very well made products. So funny, if Apple isn't tidal waving the category the press and Wall Street go crazy. I love Appleinsider, so don't jump on that money whore bandwagon guys.

Please, man. AI is a for-profit operation and there's nothing wrong with that. Not being journalistically professional has been my main beef with them. They get quoted and referred to in the press quite a lot and yet they still push needlessly shoddy and shaky stories, barely repurposed content from other sites (an Apple story appears on The Verge or the New York Times, or worse yet DigiTimes, and 5 minutes later a reworded story will pop up here. Sometimes the reinterpretation will change the author's intent, ruining the story).

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post #174 of 266
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He was referring to the public reaction not anything internal.


Forstall wasn't the only one at Apple who shared Steve's love of skuemorphism. 

 

Personally, I like where iOS 7 is moving, but it isn't hard to imagine that Ive had to throw his mandate around a bit to get it going.

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People who buy ipads for large school systems and to a lesser extent companies are either fanboys or ignorant suckers, possibly both...How are the students in LA public schools supposed to write term papers on their iPads? with pages.app and no file system? good luck with that...

 

You don't need access to a file system if you only need to work with one app at a time, such as Pages. Thus the iPad should be perfectly adequate for writing a paper, at least in terms of software (maybe you'll want a keyboard attachment). Where the lack of a user-accessible file system might be less convenient is when you want to organize disparate documents by project instead of by app. For example if you were putting together a job application, you might have a Pages doc for your resume, some pdfs of your publications, etc, and it would be useful to store all those files together instead of in their respective apps. One remedy on iOS is to install an app like dropbox which simulates a file manager, and manually sync documents between dropbox and their associated apps. But if you're mainly writing papers and reading textbooks, the iPad should be just fine.
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Apple Licensing.

Apple didn’t licence in the “early 1990’s”, if it had it might have increased market share, it licenced in the late 1990’s after the plunge.

 

Lots of errors in your so called facts and corrections.  The first clones showed up in early 1995 so planning had to have started in 1994. I remember a presentation in mid 1994 showing a prototype Mac Clone so the date is really early to late 1990's so your "late 1990's is actually the date the program was aborted.

 

You could continue on your so called "facts" pointing out the fact you really do not understand or remember the chain of events very well.

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It's not about physical differences, it's all about different concept. it took me quite a long to realize what Apple actually wanted to achieve: zero admin computer. What is BS on the "normal" computer and unachievable goal, was skillfully achieved on new device on new form factor? Why so late? Why on mobile device? Because mobile device is all about resources, easy of use and efficiency. That's why touch screen and zero maintenance approach with everything being available on the tip of your finger including auto installation apps and  complete ecosystem.

 

These devices need to be ultra efficient for people to use it on the way, where they don't sit comfortably and have enormous amount of time to resolve usual "desktop computer" problems.

 

I can accept that Apple wants to make tablets require zero admin. But what concepts which are acceptable on already highly efficient, portable computers, like the MBA, would cause headaches on a smaller touchscreen device? Let me bring up again the example of downloading files to a common storage area. The difference between that and opening a file immediately in another app is essentially the difference between opening a file now or saving it for later. Does the latter procedure inherently require more admin on a touch-screen device than on a device with a trackpad and keyboard?


Edited by d4NjvRzf - 6/30/13 at 10:32am
post #178 of 266
I am going to add to the WinTel era comment. The problem was Microsoft were never that great as an engineering company comparatively speaking. Google is much more engineered focus, they are a much more powerful enemy then Microsoft.

The battle isn't even the same. I just hope Apple will also win out in the end.

There are only two kind of people in this world.

Those who dont understand Apple and those who misunderstood Apple.

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post #179 of 266

I think we just heard from the Samsung representative. Maybe he didn't get this months check? Perhaps Samsung is having trouble making their normal payments?

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Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post

1. As long as your hole is open so will mine.

 

OMG. I can never unhear that.

 

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Hey AI.  Quit putting alarmist titles on your articles, like Apple might not survive 2013.

 

If Apple dies, your website is also dead.  Think about it.

 

Oh...AppleInsider has been posting Samsung and Google news nonstop. They'll survive the death of Apple.

 

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You know what is different this time? Steve Jobs is no more.

 

I thought you people claimed Steve Jobs simply took credit for the work of other people and was a bully who made Woz and Jony Ive cry.

 

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I still fear for Apple.

 

You should. The copyists would be lost without Apple.

"Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone."

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post #181 of 266
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Originally Posted by 65C816 View Post

I like the idea that the bright light/white display is to take advantage of Apple's display while making sure the OLED will kill its batteries trying the same.

If this came out during the iPhone 3GS/4 days, it might have stopped Samsung. Better late than never though.

Good point, a move to IGZO could results in a UI look that will be hard to replicate even with the new low power super LCD and amoled.
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Samsung forgot to send a check to you this month? I wonder if they will survive 2013?


Edited by Shock Me - 6/30/13 at 10:35am
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post

OMG. I can never unhear that.

I'll never unread the poor grammar of it. lol.gif

It's like that book, "I'm an American and so can you" or something.
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Let's see what great apps Android users are missing out on

Top Paid Apps

1. WhatsApp Msgr
2. Minecraft
3. Where's My Mickey?
4. Heads Up!
5. SponggeBob Moves In
6. Contra:Evolution
7. Icebreaker: A Viking Voyage
8. Facetune
9. AfterLight
10. Kick the Buddy: No Mercy

Top Free Apps

1. Despicable Me: Minions Rush
2. Sprinkle: Water splashing game
3. Candy Crush Saga
4. Nick
5.Google Maps (who would've thunk?)
6. Escape If You Can
7. Secret Passages: Hidden Objects
8. Battery Saver (wait, what? really?)
9. Vine
10. Can You Escape

Top Grossing Apps

1. Candy Crush Saga
2. Clash of Clans
3. Pandora
4. Modern War
5. MARVEL War of Heroes
6. The Simpsons: Tapped Out
7. Hay Day
8. Kingdoms Of Camelot
9. Minecraft
10. DoubleDown Casino


Looks like the vast majority of people use their iPhones as a glorified hand held gaming device. It really doesn't look like Androiders are missing much.
Unless Androids like games too. In which case they are missing out. Icebreaker 2 rocks.
post #185 of 266
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I like the idea that the bright light/white display is to take advantage of Apple's display while making sure the OLED will kill its batteries trying the same.

 

Before the show, I predicted that J. Ive would go for light / white just for that reason. 

 

However, someone else then pointed out that Google Now uses bright colors on a white background, so apparently they're not that worried about extra power usage.

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I got halfway through and realised it was simply all 'internalised promotion material'. It completely forgets Apple's problem is the web and the fact that while Google makes up a major part of the web Apple has fat too low a presence here. I'd suggest Google needed Android for the web so Android works because it is such a major part of the web. IOS now has a major world problem, that being that world sales are emulating the history of Blackberry and Symbian. Apple's low web presence might in fact make it it a long slow process to recovery.
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Originally Posted by aBeliefSystem View Post

I got halfway through and realised it was simply all 'internalised promotion material'. It completely forgets Apple's problem is the web and the fact that while Google makes up a major part of the web Apple has fat too low a presence here. I'd suggest Google needed Android for the web so Android works because it is such a major part of the web. IOS now has a major world problem, that being that world sales are emulating the history of Blackberry and Symbian. Apple's low web presence might in fact make it it a long slow process to recovery.

Low web presence? I personally still use Gmail, but for everything else that I would ever use, there's an Apple alternative, or a third-party app. Unless you're talking search. But that's device agnostic.

Don't forget that to a large extent, apps are a paradigm shift from how we use the Internet. And Apple is definitely dominant in that regard.

Apple is "losing" market share worldwide, not because they're losing customers but because the market is rapidly expanding. And the majority of expansion is in poorer markets with low-end feature "smart" phones. Which isn't a market Apple is currently focusing in.
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Originally Posted by mvigod View Post

This is one of the better pieces I have read analyzing the playing field both past, future and present. Most writers are truly clueless whether pro or anti apple. Some, like this writer, seem to have been around long enough to learn the history and be able to see what is right in front of them. Most "analysts" fall flat when trying to understand these things. So I say very nice job to this writer for a well done article/analysis.

I have to add something very obvious and slightly off topic that apple should do (NOW) and once they do everyone will say "why didn't they, or anyone do this before?". Solve battery life. How? Use the new MacBook Air CPU clustering to cut down on power AND (this is the big one) put a larger battery on the phone. I use a mophie case to double my battery. A built in battery would bulk the phone up but it would be a fraction of the mophie case.

Give users and road warriors a choice here. Make a standard thin phone to show what you can do but add a millimeter or two and squeeze more lipo in those native iPhones. If you could double the battery life of an iPhone you would smoke everyone out there. The race is not to be the smallest/thinnest but for some to actually have enough battery so it is not a brick by 3PM. This is simple, easy and obvious. I'd dump my iPhone 5 for a new one in two seconds if it had nothing more than a larger battery. It would still be plenty thin, light and ergonomic. Would probably be no thicker or weigh more than the iPhone 4 did.

Rant over :-) Listen up Cook!

I am typing this on an iPhone with iOs7. Still lots of glitches and some annoying inconsistencies in the design, but I can say that, as far as battery life is concerned, you will notice the difference. Big time...
post #189 of 266

well, not the most uplifting thread discussion here.

 

but anyway, DED's semi-satiric post was kinda rambling and unfocused. his basic point that there is a double standard in the web world when assessing Apple/iOS stuff compared to assessing Google/Android stuff is plainly true. beyond that ... hit and miss.

 

the Macalope make this point much better, week after week, and is a lot funnier.

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Looking at many replies I can only assume that very few people made it passed the heading.

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Headline is a question...

"Can Apple survive 2013?"

 

I will say YES!

 

and yes I did read the editorial but got bored and stopped. 

post #192 of 266
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Originally Posted by dacloo View Post

Article is again way too long... to prove a point(?)

Anyway I just wanted to say that iOS7 is ugly and is a step back usability wise. I don't want to use a phone where everything is white, white, white! It hurts to use (I've seen the developers preview)

Unusable?

 

Not in my opinion. Calendar is a step back in many ways, they still haven't figured out how to do it. For instance, in iOS 6 the "month" view had a dot under the dates in the month for which you had meetings, and it's gone. At least, I don't know, make it Helvetica Neue Ultralight Bold (god forbid) or add a marker according to the number of meetings or something. Admittedly, this remark comes from "the way I use the app"

Safari is very nice, clean and fast.

Messages is near perfect (i am stating opinions, of course)

Weather is a big improvement, a VERY BIG improvement. But still, once you have used the Yahoo weather app, which was more than a blueprint for it, you'll miss the extra information and the neat integration with flickr, which does so much to make it appealing. I still hope it will come on the stock weather app, because it is just GREAT.

Pictures? Nice on the iPad (probably) but crappy on the iPhone. There's just not enough screen real estate to enjoy it. The "year view" is just a pixelated mess. But the overall layout? Great!

Notes... Come on... YELLOW ON WHITE? why not just make it white on white....

Folders: VERY BIG IMPROVEMENT. But when I open an app of a folder and click the home button it brings me back to the folder view. I have to click it once again to go back to the home screen. In iOS 6 this was less o a problem as part o the home screen was always visibile. I am conflicted about it. I think habit will do it...

 

What I really hate is the home button behavior. Gone is the "click it once from any screen to go back to the "main home screen"". I used it a lot because all my most used apps where on the first grid. Now I just have to swipe through it. (edit: not true, works as usual)

Spotlight? Still much conflicted about the swipe down to access it. I liked the previous "home button when on home screen" way of accessing it better. Cleaner results, "dedicated app feeling", and less of a mess. That one is a "no" for me.

 

Animations are super cool. I know it's gimmick, but it's a nice one. Provides context, gives you a feeling of where you are and what you are doing.

I have a complaint on this though... Calculator... Plus, Minus, Equal are all orange, number are gray. Why is does the icon show a grew equal sign? Perfection demands this to be redone.

 

The clock icon updating is great!

But... Why doesn't apple take a clue from iPhoto or Aperture and use the same feature for the "pictures App"? Create, for privacy sake, an undistinguishable small mosaic of your actual pictures. Gone to the sea? Your icon will be mainly blue. Back from a Desert safari? How bout a yellower one? I think it would be better than the pseudo Pantone exposition we have now.

 

Contacts icon? Good. But, instead of the grey silouhette, for those who chose so, why not add your profile pic?

 

 

The ones I mentioned are, on purpose, adjustments that don't require any constant connection (as for instance an update to the maps app based on current location would) don't require any sensor to be active any time you open the phone.

 

 

But they would make every homescreen uniform and yet unique....


Edited by pinolo - 6/30/13 at 12:36pm
post #193 of 266
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Originally Posted by Pendergast View Post


Don't forget that to a large extent, apps are a paradigm shift from how we use the Internet. And Apple is definitely dominant in that regard.
Apple is "losing" market share worldwide, not because they're losing customers but because the market is rapidly expanding. And the majority of expansion is in poorer markets with low-end feature "smart" phones. Which isn't a market Apple is currently focusing in.

 

That's the thing. Whilst the USA is moving away to apps much of the world is only now embracing the web via high tech low cost large smartphones.

 

I'm not sure if a low cost non web centred Apple phone can turn a tide which means that in many countries large cheap phones are now a prime device for web browsing.

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 The biggest reason I hear by far is the screen size. They simply like a bigger display because it makes everything easier to read and view. Some simply like the better integration of Google services. Others still like the customization and flexibility especially installing custom ROM's which allows endless possibilities. But one thing I can tell you is that I have never met a person outside this forum who has a love or hate relationship with Apple or Google or Samsung or any other company. They view these phones as tools with no more attachment than you would have for your TV or lawn mower. I really am mystified by the level of passion that these topics elicit amongst some posters over smart phones. Buy what works best for you and stop trying to convince other people they are wrong or are idiots because they made a different choice. That is why these articles seem so silly to me because the try and paint these companies as evil when they are simply trying to make money and good products. Now you might think their products suck but this really is not a battle of good vs. evil and to 99% of the public that don't ever visit tech forums they would find this thinking and passion over phones humorous. 

 

- screen size is not Android feature. Apple iOS is much more about apps than few services, that's why Apple is much more conservative in screen size changes, because they want to connect as much developers with as much users as possible. Android manufactures approach to this issue is self centered

installing ROM's can be something what is a potential risk IMHO

 

Generally, I agree people should hit a break in spitting to other'S OS, however, if you go to any other tech forum, you will see Fandroids producing 100x more shit about iOS than opposite. It's like epidemical premature ejaculation. 

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Originally Posted by aBeliefSystem View Post

 

That's the thing. Whilst the USA is moving away to apps much of the world is only now embracing the web via high tech low cost large smartphones.

 

I'm not sure if a low cost non web centred Apple phone can turn a tide which means that in many countries large cheap phones are now a prime device for web browsing.

 

It seems slightly ironic that the US is consuming media increasingly via apps when the iPhone was originally billed as a platform for HTML5 web apps (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Vq993Td6ys)

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Originally Posted by d4NjvRzf View Post

 

I can accept that Apple wants to make tablets require zero admin. But what concepts which are acceptable on already highly efficient, portable computers, like the MBA, would cause headaches on a smaller touchscreen device? Let me bring up again the example of downloading files to a common storage area. The difference between that and opening a file immediately in another app is essentially the difference between opening a file now or saving it for later. Does the latter procedure inherently require more admin on a touch-screen device than on a device with a trackpad and keyboard?

 

common storage area is equal to disk partition. means any file can be accessed by any app. security hole in general. are you familiar with sandboxing? this was original idea and it works: app have their own sandboxed file system, which is available only to application code. period. 

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That's the thing. Whilst the USA is moving away to apps much of the world is only now embracing the web via high tech low cost large smartphones.

I'm not sure if a low cost non web centred Apple phone can turn a tide which means that in many countries large cheap phones are now a prime device for web browsing.

Except iOS is used to browse the web much more than Android.

You still haven't said what Android can do on the web that Apple can't. Most services are agnostic.

The reason Apple isn't "winning" in emerging markets is because they don't have a low cost iPhone and haven't focused on gaining that market. It's debatable whether there's enough money to be made, even.
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And he might have been wrong. In fact given that Apple has long been about 'the total system' it is likely that he was.

But he was blinded by something and never tried the switch. Which is why the fresh eyes of Cook are a very good thing. He was able to say 'you know if we are selling it as a total system we should create it that way and have our teams working together' and to see that someone like Forstall, who allegedly only played nice with Steve, just wasn't going to fit in this new idea.

Well I think it's only fair to give Ive more than 6-8 months to prove he can do more than hardware design. iOS 7hasn't even shipped yet and people are already calling for him to be demoted.  Ridiculous.  Lets see how polished this new version of iOS is in a year or two.  But one thing is for sure, we're getting features from Federighi and Ive that we never got with Jobs and Forstall.  And now Federighi and Ive get to be tagged as the ones copying other OS's for giving us features we probably should have had in iOS 5.

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Even if you are a huge Apple fan (like I am) think for a moment about how much it would suck if there was no competing Android platform. Competition is a good thing no matter how you look at it (unless you are a monopoly). I think that if I were not an iOS developer that I would prefer Android for its hacking potential and app anarchy. If there is something to take away from this article it is that Apple has a very profitable mobile platform while Google and the rest of the Android world have a very low margin, highly fragmented market.

It is impressive to walk into the supermarket and see a fully functional pre-paid Android phone for less than $100. If you just want a decent MP3 player and the ability to load apps, that's a pretty nice device even if you never use it as a phone. I don't see Apple ever competing in that market. That is the kind of thing that competition brings. The vast majority of the world's population will never be able to afford an iPhone (not even a "low cost" iPhone).
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Originally Posted by d4NjvRzf View Post

 

It seems slightly ironic that the US is consuming media increasingly via apps when the iPhone was originally billed as a platform for HTML5 web apps (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Vq993Td6ys)

 

Apple throttles web apps. Apple were never the ones promoting HTML 5 apps. They know full well you cannot monopolise them so why support them?

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