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If a store claims that Apple isn't giving them enough product, and therefore Apple is favoring their own stores, then I think it boils down to two things:
  1. Has the store provided sufficient evidence to Apple proving what kind of demand they have, thereby establishing the shipment quantities they need?
  2. Assuming Apple has this information from all such stores, have they responded appropriately and to the best of their ability?

The way reseller deals tend to work is that you buy the product at a discount and are permitted to 'resell' it at up to the company pricing. You generally can't go over the company pricing and you may have limited on how far you can discount as well as other rules like you can't put beta software on the gear, can't advertise them with other company software pre installed (but you could offer a set up service that might include installing software they just bought from you). Often there are minimum unit requirements to orders, rules that you can't return unsold product and yes even clauses that if the company puts in their own store in the area you may not be able to receive newer product because internal stores have first pick.

So the deal here could be that Apple won't change their rules or their pricing and the resellers feel this isn't right because now with a 'real' Apple store they aren't making the money needed to order the product and they feel that Apple, who might be completely legal in their rules and complying with signed contracts, so be made to change because it's not 'morally right'. Ie inferring they have a duty to help these companies succeed even at a business loss to themselves. Not unlike the US Senate, when called out that it is the laws they passed that allow Apple to have overseas subsidiaries for overseas profits, basically said 'well yeah that's the law but we don't think you should be using it.'

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2) Only watches American movies and reads (if anything) mostly American and/or British books.

Hey, I watched Amelie

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Unless a major shift occurs, the EU will almost certainly implement restrictions on Apple.

So long as the restrictions are done without bias, ie because its Apple but other companies are ignored, Apple will make any legally required changes and move on. But if they feel there is bias or local laws are trying to supersede authority or other prevailing laws, they will take it to court. As any company would. But you can get the press will paint it all as Apple was being evil, is being evil etc

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post #44 of 84

1-Men from the financial department of police entered Apple french headquarters with a warrant. It's like a investigation by the french equivalent of DoJ. It wasn't an armed police raid.

 

2-eBizcuss has been the main Mac reseller for 10 years or so. They claim they suffered from Apple anticompetitive practices. A judge will have to determine if this claim hold or not. I don't see anything different than what would happen in USA. For all I know, ebizcuss had other problems (too fast a growth with heavy debt).

 

3- This kind of investigation happens on a regular basis and is not exclusive to US firms, thanks god. The fact Apple is playing cat and mouse with EU financial legislation to avoid paying due taxes (in UK lastly) may be an aggravating factor, though.

 

Still, facts remain: when availability of iPad 2 and iPhone 4 were scarce in France, no Apple store was lacking stock while Apple partners were waiting to get fresh supplies. This situation lasted months, effectively giving Apple stores an edge in attracting new or returning customers. 

 

As for laws, France can't have laws contradicting EU directives… If Apple is found guilty in France, chances are other EU countries will follow on the same basis.

 

I know french bashing is a favorite for some people but those should get their facts straight instead of resorting to worn stereotypes… and avoid to make a fool of themselves.

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@jungmark 2013/07/01 08:56am
"This is the same country where it's illegal to work more than 35 hrs a week."

it's false. or a lie.

35h is the legal work time. it means it's the basic period for negotiations in enterprise and state workers.

please, STOP spreading LIES.

France is mostly like one of your American states. The main differences is you will see a LOT of croissant in bakery.

What are you talking about.? Even the rest of the Eurozone mocks French work ethics, because of its 35-hour work week, bloated pension plans and early retirement age. Crosissants? Please stop this BS commenting. There is very little in similarities between France and the US.


 
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Remember a little while back how some Frenchy minister was bashing Apple, because Apple had dared to remove some French app from the app store that was violating the rules? Do rules not apply to Frenchies?

 

And now we have the French "competition authority" raiding Apple's headquarters! "Competition authority", haha, that is hilarious. A bunch of Frenchies going around protecting losers and those who fail. What a brilliant concept.

 

What a joke of a country! A socialist hellhole that despises success, demonizes the rich and taxes the hell out of everybody. No wonder France is a mess, and things will only get worse! Now at least that is some good news!

 

I've been to most places in Europe, but I refuse to step foot in that ridiculous country. 

I'm a liberal and I wouldn't even go to France.... I don't like their laws. How does stuff like this even get to court in France? I mean really? It's anti competitive to have Apple Stores getting Apple products first. What? Really? What did the retailers expect? They should offer all of the options maybe rather than being exclusive to Apple. It's putting all of your eggs into one basket.

post #47 of 84
Most of the comments above show very poor knowledge of the French society and the French culture, which is not the same as the US culture and the US way of living. That's just it.
- It's not illegal to work more than 35hrs a week, I do it almost all the weeks. To my knowledge, I haven't been arrested or fined for it.
- in terms of the so called "socialist attitude", the actual government guys are the most right wing socialists we ever had. By the way there is a misunderstanding about what is defined in French as socialist : it is NOT communism. French Socialism is a derivative political thinking aiming at mixing extensive private business with public ownership of some key sectors that are, according to us, incompatible with profit, like health, education or culture. It is simply seen as obscene by French citizens to make profit in those sectors. And I strongly believe that is our right.
And just to be clear, I love america, I've been there 5 times already, I do speak, read and obviously write English. And I love my country and its ways, it's my home.
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You gotta love Americans (and I'm not even French).

 

1) It's not a RAID as in "policemen and SWAT teams screaming and knocking doors down". It was a quiet office search, under a warrant, and with the presence of an attorney to ensure all is going ok. The same kind of thing happens ALL the time in the US, when FBI investigates some company.

 

I blame the article title first, the quick to jump to idiotic conclusions readers second.

 

2) @cfugle """Socialist attitudes, socialist gov't, non-competitive attitudes prevail"""

 

Did you even UNDERSTOOD the reason for this incident? If anything it's the fucking opposite. It was made to ENSURE competiveness (that is, against alleged anti-competitive practices by Apple).

 

It's not like a typical American, that is characterised by 3 things:

 

1) Only speaks English

2) Only watches American movies and reads (if anything) mostly American and/or British books.

3) Only has any direct experience with a 2 party system that alternates in power for more than half a century.

4) Rarely follows World News, and when he does is only related to the interests of his country (e.g media

covering some regime the US doesn't like or are about to invade, a few human interest stories from the Third

World, etc).

 

even understands European politics or what "socialism" is.

 

Some even consider ...the Democrats as socialists. Others conflate the ex-communist countries of Eastern Europe with western europe's welfare states and socialist

parties, unaware of a 80+ year split. Some even believe "social-democrat" parties are doubly ...socialist (in fact, it's a name give to right-of-centre parties akin to the Republican party in the US).

 

It's like talking politics with a 12 year old.

Heaven forbid people read and watch things in languages they understand. You don't see Americans complaining that people in France read and watch French things. They couldn't care less if France is reading and watching the stuff the US has produced. That would never even be a bone of contention with Americans. It sounds like you are doing just as bad a generalization of the US as many here in the US do of France.

 

Also just because someone says something is anti-competitive doesn't make it so. Perhaps, people of the US have a healthy distrust of the government and France not a healthy enough distrust of the government....

 

Right of center in Europe VS right of center in US are very different....but even a 12 year old knows that. 


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Thanks for a specific rebuttal to at least attempt to move this thread to the level of ideas rather than insults. I am ashamed of my countrymen's gratuitous bashing. (Though your use of the term "bastards" was sort of asking for it.)

But I must say that if Apple's sin is to have insisted upon clean, well-maintained displays that adhere to a corporate standard, then you do not appreciate two things. Apple had a history of being ill-served by resellers who relegated its products to dusty shelves in the back of the store displaying often broken or malfunctioning products. A situation that brought it to its knees. In its new incarnation it is understandably sensitive about such things. Second, it does exactly the same thing in its own country. BestBuy and other partners are required to adhere to stringent standards in their display of Apple products. This is not some odious anticompetitive behavior reserved for the French.

 

Honestly, I am not sure court will follow ebizcuss argument. This reseller had other problems which go beyond Apple bad will.

 

But, as for complying with Apple guidelines to get the Premium Reseller status, being the main reseller in France, I can testify they always had premium stores with clean layouts and skilled staff, long before Apple Premium Reseller status was set up. I don't know the specifics of Apple inventory channel and if commercial contracts were hard to comply with or not for a reseller. But several other european big resellers went belly up, following Apple stores growth. 

 

And it wasn't about bad customer experience: we are speaking about big players and Apple-only resellers there. 

 

Investigation is probably justified. Not sure if a trial will follow.

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"...the company ward ordered to pay $6.5 million..."

Ward??
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I've been to most places in Europe, but I refuse to step foot in that ridiculous country. 

Good! I hate to think of you visiting any country anywhere. Remember that book form the 50s called The Ugly American? No, of course you don't, or you wouldn't be the way you are. Or pretend to be.
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Perhaps, people of the US have a healthy distrust of the government and France not a healthy enough distrust of the government....
Given recent revelations it seems perfectly prudent for the people of France to be equally distrustful of the US government. There is no French PRISM, monitoring non-French people for unspecific reasons.

Perhaps the people of the US should concentrate on distrusting and holding their own government to account, rather than sticking their oar in with other people's.

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post #53 of 84

This is probably retaliation for recent rejections of mimolette imports. Free the cheese mites.

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It's not like a typical American, that is characterised by 3 things:

 

1) Only speaks English

2) Only watches American movies and reads (if anything) mostly American and/or British books.

3) Only has any direct experience with a 2 party system that alternates in power for more than half a century.

4) Rarely follows World News, and when he does is only related to the interests of his country (e.g media

covering some regime the US doesn't like or are about to invade, a few human interest stories from the Third

World, etc).

 

even understands European politics or what "socialism" is.

 

This one (and not very atypical one at at that):

 

1) Speaks/reads/writes English and Spanish, reads Italian, German, some French, struggles with Dutch, has forgotten most of his written Russian (hey, it was 40 years ago in elementary school), learning Korean. Doing all of them for fun, since, except for the Spanish, there's not much call for daily use of the rest. Driving out to visit our oldest daughter is the rough equivalent of driving from Paris to Moscow, Ankara, Beirut or Cairo. No passport needed, one language required (others optional and sometimes fun). Most europeans have no idea of the scale of the size of the US and Canada (especially of the western regions).

 

2) Seldom watches American/British movies or tv. Does watch Korean, Chinese and Japanese cinema.

 

3) What 2-party system are you talking about? The US has a bunch of political parties. Granted, only 1.5 of them are prominent at the federal level, but you see more of the others as you drift down into more local politics.

 

4) Pays as much attention to non-US news sources as not; it's not like it's hard to access other sources, even if you limit yourself to english-language reporting. Been doing that since BBC/Radio Moscow/Deutsche Welle/etc were only accessible here on shortwave.

 

5) Understands european politics well enough, certainly as well or better than most europeans understand US internal politics, which is a pretty low bar. Doesn't mean I have to like much of it.

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Good! I hate to think of you visiting any country anywhere. Remember that book form the 50s called The Ugly American? No, of course you don't, or you wouldn't be the way you are. Or pretend to be.

I mentioned on this forum a few weeks ago that I would be going on vacation soon.

 

I'm actually leaving towards the end of this week. And I'll be going to Europe for more than six weeks, but France is obviously not included in my travel itinerary. The thought never even crossed my mind.

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I'm a liberal and I wouldn't even go to France.... I don't like their laws. How does stuff like this even get to court in France? I mean really? It's anti competitive to have Apple Stores getting Apple products first. What? Really? What did the retailers expect? They should offer all of the options maybe rather than being exclusive to Apple. It's putting all of your eggs into one basket.

What did people think was going to happen when there are huge Apple stores?

 

Of course a retailer or two might go out of business, that's plain common business sense. That's how business works, those that don't succeed go out of business. Time to find a new line of work perhaps.

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I'll be going to Europe for more than six weeks, but France is obviously not included in my travel itinerary. The thought never even crossed my mind.

 

 

Shame.  It's a beautiful hellhole.

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 It wasn't an armed police raid.

 

 

Who said that it was?

 

Some French people here seem to have a problem with the term raid being used. Get over it, because you all are wrong. It was a raid.

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But several other european big resellers went belly up, following Apple stores growth. 

 

And the problem is? 

 

That is a natural consequence of Apple store growth. 

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I came to this site with a great admiration for Apple, and the positive aspects of your society that made it possible. I quit the site, with regret, due to the -not so positive- other aspects, which I knew, but obviously underestimated.
 
 
 
The French quitting? How unusual :)
Stop with the duplicitous comments please.
It is not the site that is the problem - it your whiny attitude.
 

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1. Learning a second language is compulsory in secondary education in many regions of the United States. The most popular second language is Spanish rather than French for obvious reasons. For obvious reasons there is little incentive to learn several languages in the United States. English has, for better or worse, become the de facto international language as English is the language of business.
 

 

Besides, people in third-world countries, like Europe, can understand English well enough if you shout it at them. 

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post #62 of 84
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"I think, its fun to be in France to see stupid things like this. "

yes, it's fun.

it prevents us to live horrible things like that:

American Way of Birth, Costliest in the World : http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/01/health/american-way-of-birth-costliest-in-the-world.html?hp&_r=0 (and no better).

 

Thanks for making really relevant arguments.   Let's compare the cost of giving birth in the  U.S. to whether or not it is valid for the French to "raid" Apple's offices to see if they're participating in anti-competitive behavior.  

 

The other ridiculous stereotypes about Americans posted above are about as accurate as American perceptions about the French:  rudeness, cowardly, body odor, etc.   All those stereotypes are ridiculous when at the same time, each has just the tiniest bit of truth, which is how they become stereotypes in the first place.

 

As to whether Apple is responsible for this independent store going out of business, there are five Apple stores in Manhattan, yet an independent store like TekServe survives quite well.   Independent stores J&R and BH Photo Video sell tons of Apple products and Best Buy sells them as well.   Yet everyone survives.    And that's in addition to the hundreds of phone stores that sell Apple products.    So there are ways to survive even when Apple opens their own stores (and assuming that Apple in France was not doing anything different in terms of supplying local stores than Apple U.S. does). 


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Besides, people in third-world countries, like Europe, can understand English well enough if you shout it at them. 

English is the only international language that is dominant in virtually all aspects of areas of importance, such as the internet, business, media etc.

 

In the future, with more globalization occurring, I believe that all other languages should eventually die out and be eliminated, with English being the only true language to be spoken and used.

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English is the only international language that is dominant in virtually all aspects of areas of importance, such as the internet, business, media etc.

In the future, with more globalization occurring, I believe that all other languages should eventually die out and be eliminated, with English being the only true language to be spoken and used.

Y'know, you got a great point there. I especially look forward to the "elimination" of Hebrew and the other Semitic languages, and all the African languages, and all the Asiaic languages, and the Turkic languages, don't get me started . . .

And take out the 30 percent of the English vocabulary that is derived from French while we're at it. Purify the glorious dominant Father Language! (You can leave the 25 percent that is Germanic.)

One thing you can say about us Americans like Apple ][ and me is that we hate history, and other languages are nothing but repositories of human history. Away with them!

/s, just in case anybody's not paying attention.
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Y'know, you got a great point there. I especially look forward to the "elimination" of Hebrew and the other Semitic languages, and all the African languages, and all the Asiaic languages, and the Turkic languages, don't get me started . . .

And take out the 30 percent of the English vocabulary that is derived from French while we're at it. Purify the glorious dominant Father Language! (You can leave the 25 percent that is Germanic.)

One thing you can say about us Americans like Apple ][ and me is that we hate history, and other languages are nothing but repositories of human history. Away with them!

/s, just in case anybody's not paying attention.

 

This has nothing to do with history. There is no use in preserving outdated forms of communication, which have been surpassed by superior and more useful methods. People who care about history or those who are ignorant of history can pick up a book if they so desire. What do I care if nobody speaks a certain language anymore? 

 

You can not stop progress. Certain languages will certainly die out and become less used. Language evolves all of the time. I definitely believe that English should conquer the entire world. I also actively discriminate against and ignore all non-English speakers in the US, as I have no time for ignorant people.

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This has nothing to do with history. There is no use in preserving outdated forms of communication, which have been surpassed by superior and more useful methods. People who care about history or those who are ignorant of history can pick up a book if they so desire. What do I care if nobody speaks a certain language anymore? 

You can not stop progress. Certain languages will certainly die out and become less used. Language evolves all of the time. I definitely believe that English should conquer the entire world. I also actively discriminate against and ignore all non-English speakers in the US, as I have no time for ignorant people.

Breathtaking. If it were real.

Folks, I give Exhibit A that this person could not be for real. He would have been punched into oblivion a long time ago. He would have died of ulcers living in New York. He would have been silenced by Thorazine. And so on.

If such a person believed what he says he does, he would not be able to form a coherent sentence. He's been working very hard at this soul-killing work. Let's all wish him a nice, long vacation.
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You can not stop progress. 

Indeed you can't.

 

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Certain languages will certainly die out and become less used. Language evolves all of the time.

Very true.  Many minority languages die out every year.

 

So far so good.

 

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I definitely believe that English should conquer the entire world.

Oh dear.  Its all gone a bit wrong here.  Good luck getting those 1.3 billion Chinese to give up their languages that predate your entire nation by several millenia. Its called culture, you might want to look into it at some point.

 

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I also actively discriminate against and ignore all non-English speakers in the US, as I have no time for ignorant people.

Wow, those pesky, ignorant tourists must love you.  This statement, and those you've made about France, say everything we need to know about you.  Confirms what I've thought about you for a long time.

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Indeed you can't.

Very true.  Many minority languages die out every year.

So far so good.

Oh dear.  Its all gone a bit wrong here.  Good luck getting those 1.3 billion Chinese to give up their languages that predate your entire nation by several millenia. Its called culture, you might want to look into it at some point.

Wow, those pesky, ignorant tourists must love you.  This statement, and those you've made about France, say everything we need to know about you.  Confirms what I've thought about you for a long time.

Well said. I love the tone. If only we all had such a bedside manner, and if only he were confined to a bed.

He really jumped the shark this time. But I still think that no real person could be saying these things and still be able to use passable human language. Klansmen, for example, generally can't conduct themselves on a public forum like this. I hope i'm not wrong about this, because the alternative is despair about my fellow Americans, even though he is from New York where there is actually a newspaper devoted to his kind of jingoism.
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Wow, those pesky, ignorant tourists must love you.  

 

Tourists are fine, as long as they speak English of course. Every person in the world who considers themselves to be educated, or any person who travels a lot should know how to speak the single most important language on the planet.

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Tourists are fine, as long as they speak English of course. Every person in the world who considers themselves to be educated, or any person who travels a lot should know how to speak the single most important language on the planet.

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This has nothing to do with history. There is no use in preserving outdated forms of communication, which have been surpassed by superior and more useful methods. People who care about history or those who are ignorant of history can pick up a book if they so desire. What do I care if nobody speaks a certain language anymore? 

 

You can not stop progress. Certain languages will certainly die out and become less used. Language evolves all of the time. I definitely believe that English should conquer the entire world. I also actively discriminate against and ignore all non-English speakers in the US, as I have no time for ignorant people.

Well, what do you think is going to happen with Ebonics?  It's being spoken by more and more people every day an it is certainly expanding.  And what about cryptic text messages where people type in abbreviations.  /s  LOL LMFOA

 

They left out the computer definition of RAID when used as an acronym.  Redundant Array Inexpensive Drive.

 

Also, which form of English?  King's English, American English, and which variation? North, East, West or South or MidWest?  There are variations of American English, especially in how it's pronounced.

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Well, what do you think is going to happen with Ebonics?  It's being spoken by more and more people every day an it is certainly expanding.  And what about cryptic text messages where people type in abbreviations.  /s  LOL LMFOA

 

I agree with what you are inferring. I have long maintained that many of the newer generations that are coming up are only getting dumber and they are losing vital skills, such as the ability to write or properly communicate. I'm sure that many people saw a certain woman testifying under a certain high profile trial recently who declared that she couldn't even read cursive. Dumbasses growing up today do not know how to spell properly, and why should they? They are busy texting away on their devices, using a bastardized language where even the simplest of words are abbreviated.

 

It'll be hilarious if there's a huge EMP attack one day, what will the dumbasses do then, without their crutches?

 

As for which type of English? There will obviously be variations, as dialects will remain, depending upon geographical location.

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You gotta love Americans (and I'm not even French).

 

You're relying on extreme generalizations here as many people do with their implications regarding Asian countries on this forum. You also directed much of that response at an obvious troll post. That aside the articles could do with less sensationalism.

 

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This one (and not very atypical one at at that):

 

1) Speaks/reads/writes English and Spanish, reads Italian, German, some French, struggles with Dutch, has forgotten most of his written Russian (hey, it was 40 years ago in elementary school), learning Korean. Doing all of them for fun, since, except for the Spanish, there's not much call for daily use of the rest. Driving out to visit our oldest daughter is the rough equivalent of driving from Paris to Moscow, Ankara, Beirut or Cairo. No passport needed, one language required (others optional and sometimes fun). Most europeans have no idea of the scale of the size of the US and Canada (especially of the western regions).

 

2) Seldom watches American/British movies or tv. Does watch Korean, Chinese and Japanese cinema.

 

3) What 2-party system are you talking about? The US has a bunch of political parties. Granted, only 1.5 of them are prominent at the federal level, but you see more of the others as you drift down into more local politics.

 

4) Pays as much attention to non-US news sources as not; it's not like it's hard to access other sources, even if you limit yourself to english-language reporting. Been doing that since BBC/Radio Moscow/Deutsche Welle/etc were only accessible here on shortwave.

 

5) Understands european politics well enough, certainly as well or better than most europeans understand US internal politics, which is a pretty low bar. Doesn't mean I have to like much of it.

 

Good for you.  And I mean that.  But you don't seriously believe that you are an atypical American.  It ticks me off no end that I can't watch CNN International in the US.  Because that, unlike CNN is a really good news channel.  I don't understand why an organization can treat their viewers outside the US as adults and think that viewers in the US would only be interested in dumbed down shows.  Why not give me the option of watching CNN International?  Why can't there be more shows like Fareed's GPS on CNN?  Or other channels for that matter.

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I agree with what you are inferring. I have long maintained that many of the newer generations that are coming up are only getting dumber and they are losing vital skills, such as the ability to write or properly communicate. I'm sure that many people saw a certain woman testifying under a certain high profile trial recently who declared that she couldn't even read cursive. Dumbasses growing up today do not know how to spell properly, and why should they? They are busy texting away on their devices, using a bastardized language where even the simplest of words are abbreviated.

 

It'll be hilarious if there's a huge EMP attack one day, what will the dumbasses do then, without their crutches?

 

As for which type of English? There will obviously be variations, as dialects will remain, depending upon geographical location.

And what do you think these kids get influences?  TV, RADIO, MOVIES, (can't get it from books since they rarely actually READ books), DRUGS, ALCOHOL, INTERNET, COMPUTER DEVICES, LISTENING TO DUMB "music" (music is italicized because 90% of it isn't really music) and lastly other kids.

 

It's called the dumbing down of society.  A lot of people in society can't read even a simple article and they don't question the validity of the article.  Another part of human behavior going away.

 

I'm all for using computer devices, but I keep texting to an absolute minimum.  I think I only use it sparingly because I hate little tiny keyboards.

 

The thing is, if you ask one the people of this newer generation, they'll probably tell you that us "older" people are the dumb ones because we're not usually hip to all of the abbreviations and acronyms and Ebonics they use in texting.  Go figure. 

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I also actively discriminate against and ignore all non-English speakers in the US, as I have no time for ignorant people.

Likewise, so from now on I'm ignoring you.  Karma's a bitch.  

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Likewise, so from now on I'm ignoring you.  Karma's a bitch.  

 

Do you want a medal or something?, because they're all out! You are not the first person to do so on this forum, so you will have to patiently get in line, and wait your turn.lol.gif

 

I also don't quite believe you, because it has been proven in the past that certain people who feel the need to pronounce that they are claiming to ignore somebody actually still follows what said person writes and says, because they are curious, and that is human nature.

 

And if you are able to read this, then you have already broken your promise. 1smoking.gif

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But I must say that if Apple's sin is to have insisted upon clean, well-maintained displays that adhere to a corporate standard, then you do not appreciate two things.

It's amazing what ppl interpret into clear English...
The issue isn't the standards, but that Apple mandates COSTLY UPGRADES, but then WITHHOLDs PROFITable sales opportunities by stocking only their own stores until they have a glut of inventory, at least when the alleged facts are true.

Apple is free to choose if they want independent resellers or not, but unless these resellers are specifically told that they will given shorter sticks, Apple has to treat all competing sales outlets fairly.

Just because some meaningful legal standards don't exist or aren't enforced in the US doesn't mean the laws are bad.

And all the useless French-bashing is just embarrassing, particularly coming from people who have not a clue about French and European law or culture and get their views by regurgitating US talk radio hosts ill-formed opinions...

(No, I'm not French, but at least I know Europe and have traveled the world a bit more than getting liquored up in an all-inclusive vacation resort in some supposedly exotic foreign location that might as well be a movie set somewhere in Holllywood and nobody could tell the difference..)
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"And all the useless French bashing is just embarrassing . . ."

Indeed, what a sad bunch of yahoos. I was thinking on the drive home tonight about how unfair this stuff is. In 1967, my wife and I were traveling through the south of France in a '58 VW bus we'd bought in Amsterdam, when it finally gave up the ghost somewhere near Nice, after taking us through Germany, northern France and Spain. It was a broken valve, on a vehicle that was still somewhat alien in France.

What to do? We couldn't sell the car without paying an import tax, much more than what the car was worth as salvalge. A French couple stopped to see what the trouble was. He was driving a VW bug, a rarity, so he responded to the brotherhood of the road, took us to a junkyard and arranged a black market sale, got us a hundred bucks or so for it, then he and his wife took us to their home for dinner and a place to stay. We communicated in our rudimentary French and his rudimentary English—he was with IBM France. The wife whipped together in no time the most delicious repast that we ever had in our travels, and we enjoyed the wine that he brought out long into the night. I wondered how he would get up and go to work in the morning, but he did.

This was one great experience in France, one out of many, and the other stories of how deliriously civilized people there can be could go on for pages.

I do not understand xenophobia. It reminds me of certain breeds of dogs that are ill-raised. They bark at phantoms in their minds.
Edited by Flaneur - 7/1/13 at 10:05pm
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