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Samsung's latest flagship smartphone, the Galaxy S4, has seen the strongest start of any handset in the company's history, with shipments reportedly reaching 20 million units in two months.

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The number was reported on Wednesday by Korea's Yonhap News, which said the 20 million milestone was reached by the end of June. That's just a few months after the April 26 launch of the Galaxy S4, and is at a pace about 1.7 times faster than the previous-generation Galaxy S III.

In comparison, sales of the iPhone 5 exceeded 5 million in the device's first weekend. The company does not break down sales by specific iPhone model, but Apple did see record iPhone shipments of 47.8 million units in the holiday 2012 quarter.

Samsung first announced in May that it had shipped 10 million Galaxy S4 units in its first 28 days of availability. However, concerns quickly grew among investors that Galaxy S4 sales could disappoint after a record start.

While the Galaxy S4 is still on a record setting pace according to the latest reports, demand has unsurprisingly cooled significantly since the device launched. Apple has seen the same trends, with iPhone sales booming around the launch of a new model.

For example, holiday iPhone sales following the launch of the iPhone 5 saw year over year growth of nearly 11 million additional units. But in the subsequent March 2013 quarter, iPhone sales were up by 2.3 million units year over year, to 37.4 million.

Apple is expected to launch a next-generation iPhone, referred to the media as an "iPhone 5S," in the coming months, around a year after the September 2012 launch of the iPhone 5. It's also widely expected that the company will introduce a new low-cost iPhone with a plastic back and an array of new colors.
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but, but its unit "ship", not sold right?

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I can ship 20 million units of rubber dogshit. TODAY.




Impressed?

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I can ship 20 million units of rubber dogshit. TODAY.

Impressed?

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Indeed. But if the pile is not actually sold, you'll have to write it down sooner or later. Have we seen Samsung report any write-downs yet?

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Apple is doomed!!!!

 

Why is this on AppleInsider in the first place? Last I looked this was called AppleInsider, not SamsungInsider. 

 

Just because you mention the iPhone in the last paragraph, doesn't make it Mac news worthy. 

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post #6 of 104
Samsuck shipped 20 millions but over half of them are in shelves with dust.
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Article such as this in an Apple blog smacks so much of insecurity. I sometimes read Android Authority and it's rare when they write something about Apple.

Every article Appleinsider publishes about Samsung strengthens my thinking that Apple is now a follower and Samsung the leader.
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Originally Posted by macxpress View Post

Apple is doomed!!!!

 

Why is this on AppleInsider in the first place? Last I looked this was called AppleInsider, not SamsungInsider. 

 

So people on the forum can argue about shipped versus sold numbers.  It makes people keep coming back to the site to argue their point.

 

I swear the biggest trolls on the AppleInsider forums are the editors at AppleInsider.

 

 

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Article such as this in an Apple blog smacks so much of insecurity. I sometimes read Android Authority and it's rare when they write something about Apple.
 

 

It's AppleInsider.  I go to Mac Rumors and Cult of Mac as well and they rarely discuss things outside of Apple.  When they do, it seems far more relevant.


Edited by rednival - 7/3/13 at 6:29am
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SamsungInsider

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Originally Posted by macxpress View Post

Why is this on AppleInsider in the first place? Last I looked this was called AppleInsider, not SamsungInsider. 

 

In other words, as long as it's bad news for Samsung complete with a dash of Samsung bashing, it's fine on AI. But if it's good news for Samsung, "GET THAT S**T OFF THIS SITE, WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT SAMSUNG!"

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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

I can ship 20 million units of rubber dogshit. TODAY.


Impressed?

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Originally Posted by stelligent View Post

Indeed. But if the pile is not actually sold, you'll have to write it down sooner or later. Have we seen Samsung report any write-downs yet?

 

If Quadra 610 stuck an Apple logo on them they'd probably sell well enough.

 

 G44


Edited by stike vomit - 7/3/13 at 6:50am
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shipped and left untouched in warehouses waiting for deep discounts.
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Indeed. But if the pile is not actually sold, you'll have to write it down sooner or later. Have we seen Samsung report any write-downs yet?

C'mon. We all see this before. Big number when they want to hype something then the number for a full quarter didn't match those initial spectacular numbers. Or are you easily fooled by Samsung?

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Article such as this in an Apple blog smacks so much of insecurity. I sometimes read Android Authority and it's rare when they write something about Apple.

Every article Appleinsider publishes about Samsung strengthens my thinking that Apple is now a follower and Samsung the leader.

 

 

So because Appleinsider decides to post an article about Samsung that somehow effects your perception of Apple? That seems quite odd considering Apple has nothing to do with Appleinsider

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Verizon is running a promotion on Galaxy S4 for $125...Launched in May, and discounted in July.  There is really pent-up demand.

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Samsung phones are available in a lot more physical stores than iPhones, at least from what I see, and I tend to think this is the case in many other parts of the world too, so it means they do have a wider exposure to the public, it also means if each seller stocks a few, it adds up to a lot. Is that the same at your location, way more Samsung sellers than Apple? While on the Apple side, recently some anti-competitive accusations were thrown at Apple in France because Apple favor their own stores more for stock, which I do (maybe) naively think its because there isn't enough stock to go around, otherwise hold back at all.

 

But I think its safe to say that companies like LG, Sony, Blackberry aren't shipping 20 million phones, because the potential to actually sell that many isn't there, not to say those are not good phones or whatever.

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If Samsung would sell the Galaxy S4 so proper, why they give you a Galaxy S4 for no money if you buy a LED TV, at least in Germany. Looks like they need to push shipments, regardless of the money they will loose. But don't blame Samsung they did and do what they can do best copy successful ideas and products. Or with the words of a chinese guy: We found it worth to be copied.
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I was just in Singapore and lots of people have them, apparently the video experience is superior to the iPhone.

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I was just in Singapore and lots of people have them, apparently the video experience is superior to the iPhone.

that tells that you like the artificial flavors/colors.

 

All the colors on the Samsung screen are not true. Wake up.

Video is not all about HD and/or screen size.

 

How a person can like a Samsung phone?  What is happenning to the world?

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Seriously, this is apple insider. I come here to read about Apple not its competitors. I agree with everyone commenting on this article about skipping samsung and other competitor news. I mean why do you have to indulge into this crap?! Is it a slow news day?

 

You can talk a ton of cool stuff of what apple is doing, how you can set a Panorama image as a wallpaper on the lock-screen and the homescreen and have that wallpaper scroll based on the position of the phone, completely controlled by the accelerometer.

 

And how apple has implemented physics based UI, so if you're on the lock-screen and drag the camera icon up half way and then sling it down, i'll bounce all the way back up as if it was a basketball.

 

There's so many things you can talk about and write articles that talk about the genius behind what Apple does.

 

Apple's Tim Cook said himself on AllThingsD or D11 that Apple doesn't care to be the largest by market share, the sincerely care about a great customer experience  of their products. Apple is of the mentality of Quality over Quantity.

 

Please I beg you, bring some fresh material to this site.

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that tells that you like the artificial flavors/colors.

 

All the colors on the Samsung screen are not true. Wake up.

 

F-A-L-S-E.  Color accuracy is the same between the S4 and iphone 5. This is an old perception of OLED screens

http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_S4_ShootOut_1.htm

 

If Apple move to IGZO and combined with the new iOS7 white background look, Samsung wont be able to replicated the new UI look. Look at the Display Power Consumption table. The S4 OLED will drain its battery with a white background UI. The iphone 5 would still be good and IGZO screens would rock with that kind of UI. Android wont be able to copy iOS7 look and feel without destroying there smartphone battery life.

 

imo the bigger battery on the low cost iphone is to manage good battery life with iOS7 on a regular LED/LCD display, which can be mass produce at a low cost.


Edited by herbapou - 7/3/13 at 7:40am
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Indeed. But if the pile is not actually sold, you'll have to write it down sooner or later. Have we seen Samsung report any write-downs yet?

They don't report them because they get them to hold them forever. They don't report what they actually sell in any month so they can easily make arrangements with the vendors to give them away at a greatly reduced price with the purchase of another Samsung phone.  

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I guess some people want bigger video whether the colors are perfect or not. I haven't tried a Samsung myself.

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Ah, the old sold vs. shipped argument. It's a valid argument when a company posts impressive shipping numbers but poor profits. 

 

I don't think that's the case with Samsung (unless they're cooking the books too).

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Every time I see someone pull out an S4 I'm stunned. Sorry, but it's true. The way they tapered the sides with the silver it looks way thinner and more elegant than the iPhone brick. Also I think the screen proportions are different. I like them better. The gigantic size I could take or leave, but I'm not surprised it's a hit.
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F-A-L-S-E.  Color accuracy is the same between the S4 and iphone 5. This is an old perception of OLED screens

http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_S4_ShootOut_1.htm

 

If Apple move to IGZO and combined with the new iOS7 white background look, Samsung wont be able to replicated the new UI look. Look at the display power consumption table. The S4 OLED will drain its battery with a white background UI. The iphone 5 would still be good and IGZO screens would rock with that kind of UI. Android wont be able to copy iOS7 look and feel without destroying there smartphone battery life.

When an unbiased reviewer compares it's still true.  http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Screen-Comparison-Galaxy-S4-vs-iPhone-5-vs-Xperia-Z-vs-One-vs-Galaxy-S-III-vs-Lumia-920_id3286

 

 

 After all is said and done, it becomes evident that the quality LCD displays like those of the Apple iPhone 5 and HTC One are unsurpassed when it comes to overall image quality with their sharp, lively and realistic visuals.

However, Samsung is making big moves forward with each new major release. Its AMOLED technology has transformed from cold and pixelized to surprisingly authentic and artifact-free. The Galaxy S4's Super AMOLED screen is an improvement over its predecessor in every possible way, but this comparison showed us that there's still quite a bit of room for improvement.

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I was just in Singapore and lots of people have them, apparently the video experience is superior to the iPhone.

I feel sad that so many people u know have eyes problems . They can't see white .
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Verizon is running a promotion on Galaxy S4 for $125...Launched in May, and discounted in July.  There is really pent-up demand.

 

Oh....and you can find the iPhone 5 for $99 depending on where you look....like BestBuy.. http://www.idownloadblog.com/2013/06/22/att-99-iphone-5-promotion/

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Every article Appleinsider publishes about Samsung strengthens my thinking that Apple is now a follower and Samsung the leader.

 

So AppleInsider's decision to post articles about Samsung is evidence to you that Apple is now a follower?  Yeah, that makes sense... 1rolleyes.gif

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Originally Posted by herbapou View Post

 

F-A-L-S-E.  Color accuracy is the same between the S4 and iphone 5. This is an old perception of OLED screens

http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_S4_ShootOut_1.htm

 

If Apple move to IGZO and combined with the new iOS7 white background look, Samsung wont be able to replicated the new UI look. Look at the Display Power Consumption table. The S4 OLED will drain its battery with a white background UI. The iphone 5 would still be good and IGZO screens would rock with that kind of UI. Android wont be able to copy iOS7 look and feel without destroying there smartphone battery life.

 

imo the bigger battery on the low cost iphone is to manage good battery life with iOS7 on a regular LED/LCD display.

Did you read the report you linked to?

 

http://www.displaymate.com/Gamut_12.html

"Somewhat Large

  132 % Standard Mode

  122 % Movie Mode"

 

The color gamut is to wide on the GS4 (this makes images looks gaudy and ugly color wise). So far, OLED have consistently had horrible color and, worse, color that shifts quickly with age.

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IGZO. Again with the IGZO.

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If Apple only SOLD 20 million iPhones it would be a huge disappointment on Wall Street and Apple would be doomed. Oh, wait... Apple is already doomed. So, even if Samsung only shipped 20 million Galaxy S4s, Apple is still getting trounced in market share. I hear Google is activating about a billion Android smartphones a day, so by the end of the year Apple will only have like 5% of the smartphone market. Profit share will still be at 70%, though. I really don't understand why Wall Street is so enamored with Android OS and Google. I mean, seriously, with Google close to $900 a share and Apple only around $420 a share, it isn't as though Google is lapping Apple in revenue and profits or dominating mobile profit share. Illogical stock market.
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Originally Posted by herbapou View Post

 

F-A-L-S-E.  Color accuracy is the same between the S4 and iphone 5. This is an old perception of OLED screens

http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_S4_ShootOut_1.htm

 

If Apple move to IGZO and combined with the new iOS7 white background look, Samsung wont be able to replicated the new UI look. Look at the Display Power Consumption table. The S4 OLED will drain its battery with a white background UI. The iphone 5 would still be good and IGZO screens would rock with that kind of UI. Android wont be able to copy iOS7 look and feel without destroying there smartphone battery life.

 

imo the bigger battery on the low cost iphone is to manage good battery life with iOS7 on a regular LED/LCD display, which can be mass produce at a low cost.

How can "very good" and "excellent" be the same? Spin much?

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They don't report them because they get them to hold them forever. They don't report what they actually sell in any month so they can easily make arrangements with the vendors to give them away at a greatly reduced price with the purchase of another Samsung phone.  

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Ah, the old sold vs. shipped argument. It's a valid argument when a company posts impressive shipping numbers but poor profits. 

I don't think that's the case with Samsung (unless they're cooking the books too).

Samsung misleading shipment numbers don't necesserally hide poor profits, they are used to inflate market share numbers, which seem to be more important to some analysts than profits.

Is it so hard to believe that those 20 millions S4s could be sold over a period of 3-5 months or even more? This would not be abnormal for a consumer electronic company. Can you find any evidence that they're selling as fast as they're shipping? I bet the S4 supplies are not constrained in any way.
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but, but its unit "ship", not sold right?

But, but, but aren't you tired of asking the same stupid question for the last couple of years? If Samsung is in fact not "selling" any phones, maybe, just maybe, Microsoft is also not selling any Windows, right? Maybe they also just "ship" Windows and everybody is in fact using Macs and everything is just a giant conspiracy against poor Apple, right?

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that tells that you like the artificial flavors/colors.

 

All the colors on the Samsung screen are not true. Wake up.

Video is not all about HD and/or screen size.

 

How a person can like a Samsung phone?  What is happenning to the world?


You are ignorant about the colour saturation.  You can set the colour fidelity on the S4 to be as neutral as the iP5.

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Apple is doomed!!!!

 

Why is this on AppleInsider in the first place? Last I looked this was called AppleInsider, not SamsungInsider. 

 

Just because you mention the iPhone in the last paragraph, doesn't make it Mac news worthy. 

You could always try to bury your head in the sand. It works! If you don't find out about "something", that "something" will just magically vanish! 1biggrin.gif

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When an unbiased reviewer compares it's still true.  http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Screen-Comparison-Galaxy-S4-vs-iPhone-5-vs-Xperia-Z-vs-One-vs-Galaxy-S-III-vs-Lumia-920_id3286

 

 

 After all is said and done, it becomes evident that the quality LCD displays like those of the Apple iPhone 5 and HTC One are unsurpassed when it comes to overall image quality with their sharp, lively and realistic visuals.

However, Samsung is making big moves forward with each new major release. Its AMOLED technology has transformed from cold and pixelized to surprisingly authentic and artifact-free. The Galaxy S4's Super AMOLED screen is an improvement over its predecessor in every possible way, but this comparison showed us that there's still quite a bit of room for improvement.


That 'unbiased' reviewer is as clueless as anyone else who doesn't change the colour profile before making the comparison.  Anandtech, for instance, knows to do this.

 

Imagine if TV set reviewers only reviewed a TV set with it still set to vivid mode, as used to grab attention in stores.  They would be held in contempt as reviewers by discerning buyers.

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But, but, but aren't you tired of asking the same stupid question for the last couple of years? If Samsung is in fact not "selling" any phones, maybe, just maybe, Microsoft is also not selling any Windows, right? Maybe they also just "ship" Windows and everybody is in fact using Macs and everything is just a giant conspiracy against poor Apple, right?

I don't think the question is necessarily implying that Samsung isn't selling *any* units.  If that was the case, clearly they wouldn't be able to sustain that.  But it is a fair to question of those 20 million shipped phones, how many are in the hands of actual customers and how many are going to end up being sold at a huge discount to make room for the S5 when it starts shipping?

 

Also clearly Samsung (and others) have chosen to use shipped rather than sold for a particular reason, most likely because they feel it makes them look better against the competition.  Apple has decided to use sold for their own reasons as well.  Personally, I question the motives of using shipped rather than sold -- until something is sold, there is no revenue.  Using shipped feels like they are propping up their numbers to make it look like they are doing better than they are.  I'm not saying they are doing horrible and that they have no sales, just that they are probably making their numbers look bigger to keep investors (and competitors) in the dark about what their market actually looks like.

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