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I think some here are over reacting and overstating Android's security vulnerabilities.

These things always get fixed with the latest software updates, so there's nothing to be concerned about at all.

Just wait for the Jelly Bean update and all will be fine...any day now... 

Another Android shill who's in denial. The overwhelming majority of Android devices NEVER get an upgrade. This is a very real problem and the failure of Android hardware vendors to upgrade existing systems means that there isn't likely to be a solution - until years down the road when existing handsets are in the trash. Of course, there will be new security flaws before then.
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both made from same plastic material.

Not even close. While silicone contains silicon, they're entirely different materials. Silicon isn't 'made from' anything.
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Well just read some of the comments on the App Store - iOS users frequently seems to rip into about any app that isn't free no matter what it is. And then they buy 2400 virtual doughnuts in the Simpsons' Game for £70!!!  1mad.gif

Mind you, I can't understand it either, I'm just saying that it happens. It's even curiouser when you think that they actually have to hand over their money to get the device in the first place.

And, yet, iOS accounts for the lion's share of app revenue.
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I can easily think of ways to get malware on via man-in-the-middle attacks.  Not that hard to do now with all these wifi hotspots around that have very weak security (if any most of the time).


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Go figure apple has a minor pass code bypass hack that requires access to the device and the press flips out... But android has a gainer ability that allows people to literally steal your device right out from under your nose and people see not to care... Wtf

 

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I wonder what's going to happen with regards to returns once this news gets widely distributed around the world in local newspapers and TV?

 

Simply not going to happen. Only Apple is worthy of this kind of negative information being published. This story won't even get a mention on most tech blogs. If it makes it to C|net I will be surprised. Even here on AI this has already been dealt with by the Android PR team that lurks in the shadows, waiting to spring into action when stuff like this pops up.

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So this is the most devastating malware crisis the world has ever seen, eh?

 

Kindly tell us, Mr. McLean:  what is the number of users who have actually been affected by this exploit?

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No, silicone and silicon are two separate materials.  It's not just an American/British spelling variation like aluminum/aluminium. :D

 

in Europe we like to say for a siliconized sponsored woman, that she is "made from plastic" or just being "plastic-fantastic". It is  figure of speech, although I'm not sure Heidi doesn't have few kilos of actual plastic beneath the hood....

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Are the apps modular in android 2.3 and older? If not, does google have the ability to make them so? Could it push out Google Play versions of system software that replace the older versions tied to the OS?
As far as I am aware, yes, they are. Some applications only support 4.0 ICS and up - for instance, Gmail (although that may only apply to the new UI features, I'm not sure). Google I/O this year made a BIG thing about this; they can actually update the entire application framework without updating the OS itself, which is massive for app developers. That basically means that people on Gingerbread can get access to the same APIs as seen on Jelly Bean. I'm not sure if this applies to all APIs or just those that plugin to Google Play.

Edit: Yes, but it only applies to any application that uses Google's services. They won't get the features that applications get in Jelly Bean, but they can get any updates to Google's content like Maps, Drive, etc. without touching anything. To answer your question, its for 2.2 Froyo and up. See here.
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This news isn't going to slow the adoption of Android.  A malware plagued environment that was Windows XP below did not stop people from buying Windows over and over again.  They simply got used to the fact their systems were insecure.  The anti-malware companies will be on Android to reap the profits then they'll post a version for iOS to make it seem like iOS has the same problems when it doesn't.
Thats very true, it isn't going to slow the progress of Android;

Because it is inconsequential. No matter what all the proponents of Android say (myself included), not many people use third-party app stores unless they have no other choice. And Google Play has generally been quite safe against malware, unless you download really strange applications (i.e. there was a Bloons Tower Defense 5 clone on the store a while back, but it wasn't even published by NinjaKiwi - it was some really weird foreign developer and the few reviews that were there were terrible).

Do not say that Google Play does not have a far reach. That's like saying iTunes covers no area. See here for what I'm talking about.

Full disclosure: I sideload apps. Why? When I find a deal on another fairly reputable store, or an application is seemingly incompatible with my device through Google Play. But I only do this once every couple months, generally.

@Dunks, see above. And I would definitely agree with you, by its very nature iOS is immune to attacks like this (GENERALLY). No application can gain any system-level permissions and it freezes most applications in the background. However, it IS possible, although less likely than on Android, for it to receive a malware attack. See here. And yes, I did notice the malware-free status of iOS for 5 years. Impressive! I also noticed the fact that Google responded just as quickly as Apple did to this one particular threat.
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No, it will garner about 1% the press.
If you're a website, you want clicks (clicks = ad views, obviously).  No one really cares to click on an Android story in the mainstream.  Apple gets clicks like cray-cray.  So, this won't get coverage. This is simple logic.

PS: That being said, of course this will be reported on sites like this, and Ars, and Slashdot, etc.  But what?  About 0.00001% of the population reads those sites?
Actually, look at Engadget. Please, don't act like that. Just try to be balanced with your views.
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It's called an App Store ecosystem that has paid independent software vendors $10 billion and counting. Not that Android users would know about or appreciate sustainable app economies.
Actually, Google Play is growing massively profit-wise, not just with downloads. See here and here. Most importantly, here. From Q2 2012 to Q3 2013, Play revenue rose by ~90%. iTunes? ~25%. Also, @ThePixelDot, you'll like the first link there.

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Another Android shill who's in denial. The overwhelming majority of Android devices NEVER get an upgrade. This is a very real problem and the failure of Android hardware vendors to upgrade existing systems means that there isn't likely to be a solution - until years down the road when existing handsets are in the trash. Of course, there will be new security flaws before then.
That doesn't really matter, because this has already been patched all the way back to...well, every device, that uses Google Play. If you want references that it IS a large platform and is available in basically any country you need, see my above comments. And, yes, iOS accounts for the lion's share of app revenue, but review the facts please. 1smile.gif Yes it has the lions share. See above for references. Google nearly doubled its revenue in one quarter! That is definitely impressive.
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So this is the most devastating malware crisis the world has ever seen, eh?

Kindly tell us, Mr. McLean:  what is the number of users who have actually been affected by this exploit?
That, my friend, is the key point. Basically no-one, since Google has silently patched all applications and blocked further uploads through the Play Store. Yes, this definitely affects side-loaders, but if you're careful when you do that then this doesn't really matter either. Not many people sideload unless they have to, as I stated earlier in my post.
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Unlikely to affect the majority of Android "users"... 

 

 

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All I can say is I never see so many people putting their heads in the sand at the same time like this. Do you think Android secure? Do you think wasting your time reading long and tedious permissions will help you? Sorry, just looks at my signature. Android will never be secure. Who knows how many exploits people yet to find out? Who knows even Google tools in Google Play are as secure as they say.
This will not stop. It will only get worse.
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Because when you do have to use it, it's enormously useful!  Before Swype was added to the PlayStore, that's how I installed it.  That's how I installed SwiftKey betas.  That's how I install a bunch of really really useful root apps from XDA.  That's how I installed the Amazon App Store App when I was using it.  That's how I install Ad blocking apps when Google decided to get a little evil and removed them from the Play Store.  And even then I'm very careful to disable side loading of apps as soon as I'm done installing the app.

The reason this doesn't get too much play (even though in concept it's very dangerous) is because it'd be extremely unlikely for someone to install an app from *any* store and then side load an updated app.  Why wouldn't they simply update the app from the store?  There are far more likely scenarios for them to get malware by sideloading apps in the first place if they got it from unreputable sources - basically pirating the apps.  And if they did that, well, serves them right.  I really can't understand how anyone can pirate apps that cost about a cup of coffee or a lunch at most.
And yet, many do. It doesn't take away that this is a seriously bad exploit that has very little chance of getting widely patched.
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Originally Posted by Technarchy View Post

I think some here are over reacting and overstating Android's security vulnerabilities.

These things always get fixed with the latest software updates, so there's nothing to be concerned about at all.

Just wait for the Jelly Bean update and all will be fine...any day now... 

A flaw this big in iOS would be endlessly and mercilessly be flogged in the tech press and lampooned on late night TV talk shows. And your lot would not defend iOS. So, quid pro quo, baby.

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All I can say is I never see so many people putting their heads in the sand at the same time like this. Do you think Android secure? Do you think wasting your time reading long and tedious permissions will help you? Sorry, just looks at my signature. Android will never be secure. Who knows how many exploits people yet to find out? Who knows even Google tools in Google Play are as secure as they say.
This will not stop. It will only get worse.
Yes, I do, because the majority of issues don't even really matter. I find that Motorola article quite interesting - I plan on sharing it with some popular tech sites. But that is not representative of Android, because that is a single company. Any company can do whatever they want with Android, Google has no hold on them. Motorola is not an exception. Don't say it is, because it is owned by Google - for one, the Droid X2 is over two years old, well before the Google acquisition of Motorola. Second, Motorola has been run independently of Google, although they obviously have an influence on them. Finally, has this issue been discovered on newer phones, post-acquisition? Has it been discovered on any other devices by any other companies?

Until we know those facts, you cannot make blanket statements saying Android at it's core is insecure. The Play store is secure, there are no core-level compromises of its security features (bypassing permission limitations, Google's remote "kill" commands, or their ability to remove/edit apps remotely). Google apps, insecure? Seriously? Google hasn't been hacked. Ever. Save for one instance that I am aware of (correct me if I'm wrong, though!): here. 2 email accounts were compromised, but only subject line information and basic account information (i.e. creation date) were accessed.
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That, my friend, is the key point. Basically no-one, since Google has silently patched all applications and blocked further uploads through the Play Store. Yes, this definitely affects side-loaders, but if you're careful when you do that then this doesn't really matter either. Not many people sideload unless they have to, as I stated earlier in my post.

Sounds a lot like OS X, where for now users are still free to sideload from outside of Apple's store. 

 

But even then, OS X doesn't provide the access requirements for apps that Android does, so from the arguments presented here it would seem that OS X is less secure.

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To all the Walled Garden Apple-hating idiots; welcome to the wide-assed open Android OS where free malware abounds. 

 

I've been waiting for this day, for it was sure to come. Now, 900 million Android customers are re-thinking their earlier choice. I'd not be surprised if Apple sales sees a surge that would put the Sandy hurricane to shame... The new iPhones can't get here soon enough...!!!

 

Don't hold your breath.   

 

From arstechnica:

""I imagine that Google would move quickly to add some logic to look for such attacks," Dan Wallach, a professor specializing in Android security in the computer science department of Rice University, told Ars. "Without that available to an attacker, this is likely to only be relevant for Android users who use third-party app stores (which have lots of other problems). This bug could also be valuable for users trying to 'root' their phones."

 

The question you should be pondering is why you even care so much about how well or poorly Android does?   As former iPhone owner, current iPad owner, and soon-to-be Macbook owner, I surf the Apple sites to get information on gear I'm interested in.  But what I'm noticing is that there is a surprising number of people on this site who are obsessed with hating Android.  Why?

 

I buy whatever suits my needs.  I have use and own multiple operating systems: Windows, Linux, Android, iOS...and later today, OS X.  They all have their pros and cons.  I bought my Mom an iPad because I wanted something simple for her, where I didn't have to worry about what she downloads and installs.  I switched to Android because I wanted features that iOS and Apple can't or won't provide.   No big deal.  I still enjoy my iPad but now I have the additional capability I wanted via my Android phone.  I'll continue to use Windows and Linux even while adding an OS X device to my collection.  What I won't be doing is hoping for a vulnerability to be discovered in any of them.

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in Europe we like to say for a siliconized sponsored woman, that she is "made from plastic" or just being "plastic-fantastic". It is  figure of speech, although I'm not sure Heidi doesn't have few kilos of actual plastic beneath the hood....

 

Actually, no one (well, I shouldn't say no one -- maybe in really poor places, or something) has used silicone implants in a long time.  They are saline.  In Heidi's case, they are GIGANTIC saline implants, but still saline.

 

Just clarifying. :)

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Actually, look at Engadget. Please, don't act like that. Just try to be balanced with your views.

 

Oh, yes, because just EVERYONE reads Endgadget.  Honestly, next time you go and get a coffee, ask your barista if she saw the story on Endgadget about xyz.

 

You can tell me about the blank stare later.

 

Hell, hardly anyone even follows REAL news!  I would bet that less than 20% (maybe less than 5%, actually) of the US population can tell you what the present situation in Egypt is.  We've had candidates for PRESIDENTIAL level office who didn't know who fought in WWII.  A MAJORITY of Americans think we fought AGAINST the Soviets in WWII.

 

Depending on how you look at it (which people you are questioning, in other words), something between 30% and 50% of Americans believe the Earth is less than 10,000 years old.

 

And you're telling me that they are reading Endgadget or Ars or here?  Please.

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This story is the 3rd most popular read article and the second most shared on BBC News right now.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23179522

 

 

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The danger from the loophole remains theoretical because, as yet, there is no evidence that it is being exploited by cyber-thieves.

 

One other hurdle is that in order to catch out Android users, malicious hackers would have to get their booby-trapped version of a legitimate application on to the Google Play store, said security expert Dan Wallach in an interview with Ars Technica.

 

EDIT:  It's now the most popular and most shared.


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It's a race to the bottom already and no one will bother patching this.

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It's a race to the bottom already and no one will bother patching this.
It has already been effectively patched. Yes, it remains a serious issue for people who sideload without taking any precautions, but that is an extremely small portion of users (yes, a fair amount sideload, but even less do so without taking any precautions first).

The closest comparison to sideloading is jailbreaking. If you go outside the walled garden, you take risks. It just so happens that the walls in Google's garden are a little lower from the start; thats what a lot of people love about Android, the flexibility without having to sideload, root, whatever.
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The closest comparison to sideloading is jailbreaking.

 

Jailbreaking iOS is the same as rooting an Android device.

 

Sideloading just means installing apps outside of the official sources (Google Play or Apple's App Store).

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It has already been effectively patched. Yes, it remains a serious issue for people who sideload without taking any precautions, but that is an extremely small portion of users (yes, a fair amount sideload, but even less do so without taking any precautions first).

The closest comparison to sideloading is jailbreaking. If you go outside the walled garden, you take risks. It just so happens that the walls in Google's garden are a little lower from the start; thats what a lot of people love about Android, the flexibility without having to sideload, root, whatever.

 

Keep it up man :)

 

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A flaw this big in iOS would be endlessly and mercilessly be flogged in the tech press and lampooned on late night TV talk shows. And your lot would not defend iOS. So, quid pro quo, baby.

iOS had some critical vulnerabilities that got a free pass in the tech press. How about the exploits that allowed JailbreakMe to be possible merely by visiting a web page in Safari? Fortunately, those exploits were only used to jailbreak at the time, but the ramifications could have been horrendous if a malicious developer decided to create a page to install malware or even brick a phone.

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Fake, just like Samsung

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I've already spoken too much about this.  But if I can think of something like this, others definitely have.  But I also don't want to give people any ideas either.

 

Needless to say, such an endeavour would require skills above and beyond a script kiddie.

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Jailbreaking iOS is the same as rooting an Android device.

 

Sideloading just means installing apps outside of the official sources (Google Play or Apple's App Store).

Actually, you may be more accurate here. Technically, you cannot side-load without jailbreaking on iOS; which is why I used that example. Does jailbreaking give you access to the core file system? Full system-level permissions? That's one thing on iOS I've never really been sure about.

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say it with me: open wins.

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Actually, you may be more accurate here. Technically, you cannot side-load without jailbreaking on iOS; which is why I used that example. Does jailbreaking give you access to the core file system? Full system-level permissions? That's one thing on iOS I've never really been sure about.

 

I believe it does.  Both Android and iOS are based on Unix.  Rooting/jailbreaking gives the user root/superuser access to the OS.

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I believe it does.  Both Android and iOS are based on Unix.  Rooting/jailbreaking gives the user root/superuser access to the OS.

Android is NOT Unix.  It's Unix-like.  iOS is based on Unix.  Go look up the term Linux.  It is like Unix, but NOT Unix.

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say it with me: open wins.

Open is NOT better.   The way Android is done, it's NOT consistent from brand/model to brand/model, the updating process is WORSE than any other platform (Open or Closed), there is far more security problems, and the level of support sucks.  There are pros and cons to every platform.   Choose which one has the least amount of hurt, which in this case is Apple.  Grow up.  Android is just a Bag Of Hurt.

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Android is NOT Unix.  It's Unix-like.  iOS is based on Unix.  Go look up the term Linux.  It is like Unix, but NOT Unix.

 

I didn't say Android was Unix, but you are correct about Linux.  Linux is not technically Unix, it's considered "Unix-like".

 

The crux of what I was getting at about rooting and jailbreaking giving a user superuser access still applies.


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say it with me: open wins.

I think it still does. I will always, always prefer an opened solution over a closed one but I'm also programmer and I know what I am doing. I have never had a virus, malware or hidden root kit installed on any of my devices. All that being said though, I think it's time for manufactures to close up shipped versions of Android, no more side loading of apps, it's to much responsibility for some people. If  a user wants a opened version of Android he/she can visit XDA and download one of the hundreds of ROM's available. Which by the way is what I recommend doing anyway if you own a Android device, the community will always patch their OS before the MF does. Plus you get updates more frequently, longer support for devices and a lot more features.

 

Once Ubuntu Touch and Titzen(MeegOS) is released though I think I too will abandon Android.


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I think it still does. I will always, always prefer an opened solution over a closed one but I'm also programmer and I know what I am doing. I have never had a virus, malware or hidden root kit installed on any of my devices. All that being said though, I think it's time for manufactures to close up shipped versions of Android, no more side loading of apps, it's to much responsibility for some people. If  a user wants a opened version of Android he/she can visit XDA and download one of the hundreds of ROM's available. Which by the way it what I recommend doing anyway if you own a Android device, the community will always patch their OS before the MF does. Plus you get updates more frequently, longer support for devices and a lot more features.

 

Once Ubuntu Touch and Titzen(MeegOS) is released though I think I to will abandon Android.

relic,

 

Your line of reasoning is about the dumbest I've seen in a long time.  here's why.

 

1.  99% of the population that uses a smartphone is NOT a programmer.

2.  Most of the people out there don't WANT to become programmers.

3.  You waste a LOT of time doing what you are doing just to USE your smartphone?  Doesn't sound to smart to me.  That seems rather stupid and a lot of wasted hours you could be doing something else.  Does Google pay you to root your system?  Not unless you work for Google.

4.  You will never be satisfied with just using a product the way the MFG designed the product.  Smartphones, inherently aren't designed to do what you are doing.  What you are doing is an after thought to make updates available without waiting for the MFG to update their model product because of the flaws of the Android platform.  Even Microsoft isn't stupid to release their "Open" OS in the same manner.

5.  So, doing what you're doing doesn't have to wait for Google to release a patch to fix a security flaw?

6.  Apple has more third party apps than Android, so there are a LOT of apps that you CAN'T run on your Android.  If you switch to Ubuntu Touch or Titzen, there will be even LESS apps to run.

7.  You say you are a programmer?  What platform(s) do you write code for to earn a living?  And what kind of living do you make?

8.  Saying you are a programmer and you "know what you are doing" should not be said in the same sentence.  For a programmer to say that Android is Unix indicates that you DON'T know what you are talking about.  Even I knew Android is not Unix and I'm not a programmer.

 

Bottom Line.  It seems as though you shouldn't be on AppleInsider since you tend to put out a lot of misleading, misguided information that serves no one other than your arrogant, narcissistic ego.

 

By your thinking, the only people that should use Android are programmers that want to write code for Android and are willing to waste a LOT of time with these XDA ROMS just to keep up to date on what is really one of the most pathetic excuses for an Operating System platform ever to be released.

 

Enjoy your bag of hurt and Good Luck with ALL THAT!

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For a programmer to say that Android is Unix indicates that you DON'T know what you are talking about.  Even I knew Android is not Unix and I'm not a programmer.

 

No one in this thread stated that Android is Unix.  Relic never even used the word Unix.  You're thinking of one of my posts and you still seem to misunderstand what I was saying.  If you can't see how rooting Android to get superuser access has a basis in Unix then you may want to read up a little about the subject.  It would appear that it's you that doesn't know what they're talking about.

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No one in this thread stated that Android is Unix.  Relic never even used the word Unix.  You're thinking of one of my posts and you still seem to misunderstand what I was saying.  If you can't see how rooting Android to get superuser access has a basis in Unix then you may want to read up a little about the subject.  It would appear that it's you that doesn't know what they're talking about.

You said "Both Android and iOS are based on Unix"  I don't know how you can say that no on in this thread stated that Android is Unix.

 

I think you are just trying to justify your pathetic hobby phone which is based on the Android OS.  That's all you are REALLY saying.

 

As Jerry Seinfeld says "Yikes, Good luck with ALL THAT."

 

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No one in this thread stated that Android is Unix.  Relic never even used the word Unix.  You're thinking of one of my posts and you still seem to misunderstand what I was saying.  If you can't see how rooting Android to get superuser access has a basis in Unix then you may want to read up a little about the subject.  It would appear that it's you that doesn't know what they're talking about.

So what are the reasons other than what you get and how the OS updating process sucks on Android why you or anyone else NEEDS to be a "superuser".  You know that the term "superuser" doesn't mean you're better or smarter than someone else.  


Just to clarify, a SuperUser is just a special user account used for system administration.  That's all that really means.  It is GENERALLY recommended that MOST application work be done using an ordinary account which does not have the ability to make system-wide changes.

 

The average person should NOT try to root their Android phone.  THere are potential dangers with doing that just like there are with Jailbreaking an iPhone.

 

Here are some of the reasons why people SHOULD NOT root their Android phone.

 

http://pocketnow.com/2013/04/12/avoid-rooting-your-android

 

Get another hobby other than rooting or jailbreaking your phone.  

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You said "Both Android and iOS are based on Unix"  I don't know how you can say that no on in this thread stated that Android is Unix.

 

I think you are just trying to justify your pathetic hobby phone which is based on the Android OS.  That's all you are REALLY saying.

 

As Jerry Seinfeld says "Yikes, Good luck with ALL THAT."

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5j4DIellR4

 

 

It depends on what the meaning of the phrase "based on" is. If he meant "based on" in terms of functionality, such as the process and security models, system interfaces, etc, then both iOS and android would be "based on" unix. If "based on" means containing actual implementations from BSD, then of course only iOS would qualify. Finally, if "based on" means being officially registered under the single unix specification, then the term would apply to neither OS.  

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It depends on what the meaning of the phrase "based on" is. If he meant "based on" in terms of functionality, such as the process and security models, system interfaces, etc, then both iOS and android would be "based on" unix. If "based on" means containing actual implementations from BSD, then of course only iOS would qualify. Finally, if "based on" means being officially registered under the single unix specification, then the term would apply to neither OS.  

Wow, that was a mouthful,"The Open Group" is the owner of the trademark UNIX. AIX, Solaris, SCO, HP/UX Tru64, z/OS, IRIX, NEC UX, Reliant Unix and OSX are the only compliant OS's that are truly allowed to be called UNIX. The rest are UNIX like, this even goes for iOS.

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It depends on what the meaning of the phrase "based on" is. If he meant "based on" in terms of functionality, such as the process and security models, system interfaces, etc, then both iOS and android would be "based on" unix. If "based on" means containing actual implementations from BSD, then of course only iOS would qualify. Finally, if "based on" means being officially registered under the single unix specification, then the term would apply to neither OS.  

 

 

One is Unix and one is Linux. Linux is Unix LIKE, but it isn't Unix, it can't be referred to as Unix and anyone that says otherwise is kind of ignorant.
 
 
the core set of components of iOS is based on Darwin, which is a form of Unix.  Darwin is a POSIX compliant OS which was derived from NeXTSTEP, BSD and other free software projects.   Darwin is based on XNU.
 
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iOS had some critical vulnerabilities that got a free pass in the tech press. How about the exploits that allowed JailbreakMe to be possible merely by visiting a web page in Safari? Fortunately, those exploits were only used to jailbreak at the time, but the ramifications could have been horrendous if a malicious developer decided to create a page to install malware or even brick a phone.

The difference, of course, is that most iPhones can be patched. Most Android phones can not. So when there's a vulnerability affecting iOS, most users have access to the fix. Most Android users are stuck with their vulnerable phone.
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It has already been effectively patched.

No, it hasn't. "Effectively patched" would mean a patch that's available to most people. The vast majority of current Android phones will never have a patch available.
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