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Originally Posted by crapplingpain View Post

Don't hold your breath.   


From arstechnica:
""I imagine that Google would move quickly to add some logic to look for such attacks," 
Dan Wallach
, a professor specializing in Android security in the computer science department of Rice University, told Ars. "Without that available to an attacker, this is likely to only be relevant for Android users who use third-party app stores (which have lots of other problems). This bug could also be valuable for users trying to 'root' their phones."


The question you should be pondering is why you even care so much about how well or poorly Android does?   As former iPhone owner, current iPad owner, and soon-to-be Macbook owner, I surf the Apple sites to get information on gear I'm interested in.  But what I'm noticing is that there is a surprising number of people on this site who are obsessed with hating Android.  Why?


I buy whatever suits my needs.  I have use and own multiple operating systems: Windows, Linux, Android, iOS...and later today, OS X.  They all have their pros and cons.  I bought my Mom an iPad because I wanted something simple for her, where I didn't have to worry about what she downloads and installs.  I switched to Android because I wanted features that iOS and Apple can't or won't provide.   No big deal.  I still enjoy my iPad but now I have the additional capability I wanted via my Android phone.  I'll continue to use Windows and Linux even while adding an OS X device to my collection.  What I won't be doing is hoping for a vulnerability to be discovered in any of them.

You are rarely reasonable person around here.
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The difference, of course, is that most iPhones can be patched. Most Android phones can not. So when there's a vulnerability affecting iOS, most users have access to the fix. Most Android users are stuck with their vulnerable phone.
No, it hasn't. "Effectively patched" would mean a patch that's available to most people. The vast majority of current Android phones will never have a patch available.

"effectively patched" would indicate the patch actually works.  

post #163 of 245
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Originally Posted by crapplingpain View Post

 

Don't hold your breath.   

 

From arstechnica:

""I imagine that Google would move quickly to add some logic to look for such attacks," Dan Wallach, a professor specializing in Android security in the computer science department of Rice University, told Ars. "Without that available to an attacker, this is likely to only be relevant for Android users who use third-party app stores (which have lots of other problems). This bug could also be valuable for users trying to 'root' their phones."

 

The question you should be pondering is why you even care so much about how well or poorly Android does?   As former iPhone owner, current iPad owner, and soon-to-be Macbook owner, I surf the Apple sites to get information on gear I'm interested in.  But what I'm noticing is that there is a surprising number of people on this site who are obsessed with hating Android.  Why?

 

I buy whatever suits my needs.  I have use and own multiple operating systems: Windows, Linux, Android, iOS...and later today, OS X.  They all have their pros and cons.  I bought my Mom an iPad because I wanted something simple for her, where I didn't have to worry about what she downloads and installs.  I switched to Android because I wanted features that iOS and Apple can't or won't provide.   No big deal.  I still enjoy my iPad but now I have the additional capability I wanted via my Android phone.  I'll continue to use Windows and Linux even while adding an OS X device to my collection.  What I won't be doing is hoping for a vulnerability to be discovered in any of them.

You are asking why people on an Apple centric site hate Android?  For the similar/opposite reasons why Android users on an Android centric site hate Apple. or a Windows user on a Windows centric site hates Apple.  etc.

 

 

What features on Android will Apple NOT provide in the future that you need?  I'm curious as to what your reasons are.

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For those that are in support of XDA.  There are only a little over 5 Million registered users.  That's what percentage of the entire smartphone/tablet using market?   TEENY TINY, INSIGNIFICANT. and the mfg do NOT recommend ROOTING, JAILBREAKING, etc. 

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For those that think that Rooting or Jailbreaking your smartphone is going to solve all of your problems.  Think about this little scenario.

 

If you have a ton of personal problems and someone tells you to jump off a bridge to solve your problems and others have done it, would you jump off a bridge when there are others that advise against it?   For some people, it might be their only way of dealing with their issues and it might be better for everyone if they did jump off the bridge, but for others, some may not want them to do it.  So what do you do?

 

Same thing applies to rooting or jailbreaking a smartphone metaphorically speaking.  Will it solve all of your problems?  NO.  Is it advised from the mfg of the products you bought?  NO.  Then why do it?   Only a VERY small percentage of the smartphone using population actually does it.  And for those that use Android, maybe jumping off a bridge might be the only solution.      LMAO........  /s

post #166 of 245
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Sounds a lot like OS X, where for now users are still free to sideload from outside of Apple's store. 

 

But even then, OS X doesn't provide the access requirements for apps that Android does, so from the arguments presented here it would seem that OS X is less secure.

 

That raises the question of why side-loading has a worse reputation on android than on OS X. Here's my guess.

 

People on OS X tend to sideload from a limited collection of well-established third-party programs from reputable firms. Most mac users I've seen use some subset of software from Adobe, Google, Mathworks, Microsoft, etc, and they won't get malware from those channels.

 

By contrast, the mobile app landscape is much less well-defined. Everyone is pushing out their own coffee apps, weather apps, coupon apps, and fart apps, so black hats have a much bigger crowd to blend in with. To make matters worse, mobile apps are often single-function and targeted toward a very specific audience (such as people looking for coffee in San Francisco). Thus, people install more apps from obscure publishers on smartphones, and the apps they sideload are more likely to contain malware.

 

So, although the act of sideloading on android might be safer than on OS X, android users probably tend to sideload shadier apps.


Edited by d4NjvRzf - 7/4/13 at 7:48pm
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I think based on observing the Android platform for several years that Google, nor their OEM mfg, nor their customers, nor some of the software developers are actually utilizing what the industry calls BEST PRACTICES.   It's what is lacking the entire Android platform.  Oh well, glad it's not MY problem.

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That raises the question of why side-loading has a worse reputation on android than on OS X. Here's my guess.

 

People on OS X tend to sideload from a limited collection of well-established third-party programs from reputable firms. Most mac users I've seen use some subset of software from Adobe, Google, Mathworks, Microsoft, etc, and they won't get malware from those channels.

 

By contrast, the mobile app landscape is much less well-defined. Everyone is pushing out their own coffee apps, weather apps, coupon apps, and fart apps, so black hats have a much bigger crowd to blend in with. To make matters worse, mobile apps are often single-function and targeted toward a very specific audience (such as people looking for coffee in San Francisco). Thus, people install more apps from obscure publishers on smartphones, and the apps they sideload are more likely to contain malware.

 

So, although the act of sideloading on android might be safer than on OS X, android users probably tend to sideload shadier apps.

Best practices would suggest that if you are going to install an application on a computer, smartphone, and tablet, that you go to the most reliable source and method for installing the application.  That means, getting either the app from a reputable download site, which in Apple's case is Apple directly, or by obtaining the CD/DVD when applicable.  Installing an application from a MicroSD card is NOT generally thought of how to install an application on ANY platform since applications are not generally distributed in that manner.  Can one do it?  I guess they could, but where are they getting the application on the MicroSD card in the first place?  From someone else?  If so, that's not a reliable source for the application.

 

MicroSD cards are generally thought of as a way to transfer data from one device to another when it is convenient to do so. It could be photos (digital cameras is where MicroSD cards became popular), maybe some movies, music and maybe some data files.  That's what MicroSD cards are GENERALLY used for.

 

Should one get an application or an OS from somewhere like some hacker site? NO. I wouldn't suggest doing that. It may not be a legal copy, it might have some code that might cause some problems down the road since a hacker related site is NOT a reliable source for anything.

 

OS X users don't generally sideload apps or an updated version of an OS.  I don't know why you even brought it up in the first place.  OS X is a desktop/laptop OS, Android is for smartphones and tablets which are different.

 

I think you are overusing the term "side loading".  Sideloading doesn't apply to OS X, it applies to mobile devices like smartphones and tablets.

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Best practices would suggest that if you are going to install an application on a computer, smartphone, and tablet, that you go to the most reliable source and method for installing the application.  That means, getting either the app from a reputable download site, which in Apple's case is Apple directly, or by obtaining the CD/DVD when applicable.  Installing an application from a MicroSD card is NOT generally thought of how to install an application on ANY platform since applications are not generally distributed in that manner.  Can one do it?  I guess they could, but where are they getting the application on the MicroSD card in the first place?  From someone else?  If so, that's not a reliable source for the application.

 

MicroSD cards are generally thought of as a way to transfer data from one device to another when it is convenient to do so. It could be photos (digital cameras is where MicroSD cards became popular), maybe some movies, music and maybe some data files.  That's what MicroSD cards are GENERALLY used for.

 

Should one get an application or an OS from somewhere like some hacker site? NO. I wouldn't suggest doing that. It may not be a legal copy, it might have some code that might cause some problems down the road since a hacker related site is NOT a reliable source for anything.

 

OS X users don't generally sideload apps or an updated version of an OS.  I don't know why you even brought it up in the first place.  OS X is a desktop/laptop OS, Android is for smartphones and tablets which are different.

 

I think you are overusing the term "side loading".  Sideloading doesn't apply to OS X, it applies to mobile devices like smartphones and tablets.

By "side loading" I meant installing software from outside an official repository such as App Store, Google Play, or Windows Store. It's how I've seen the term used, but maybe you could suggest a more accurate alternative. I was responding to a previous remark about the security implications of OS X allowing "sideloading". My point was that although both OS X and android users can install software from anywhere they want, OS X users typically get their software from sources with better-established histories. 

post #170 of 245
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Originally Posted by d4NjvRzf View Post

By "side loading" I meant installing software from outside an official repository such as App Store, Google Play, or Windows Store. It's how I've seen the term used, but maybe you could suggest a more accurate alternative. I was responding to that guy's remark about OS X allowing "sideloading". My point was that although both OS X and android users can install software from anywhere they want, OS X users typically get their software from sources with better-established histories. 

Side loading is supposed to apply to mobile devices like smartphones and tablets.  My understanding of the term is as follows:  The process of tranferring data between two local devices.  Between a mobile device (smartphone/tablet, etc.) to a computer.  SIdeloading can also mean installing an application package onto an Android device that was not downloaded directly from Google Play.   One can do USB side loading, BlueTooth Sideloading, Memory Card side loading.

 


Yeah, one can side load to a desktop regardless of which OS you are using on the desktop.

 

Personally I don't use the term side loading.  It's a term that I just don't use. I prefer to use a term more specific to the task that is being discussed.

 

One can get applications for OS X and iOS from other sources other than Apple's App Store.  But it is probably the most preferred mainly because of its ease of use, Apple screens the Apps to prevent malware infested crap, and it's just easier to keep track and update.  One can get apps from Amazon, many times directly from the software developer, CNET (Version Tracker), and probably other sources as well.  Same goes with iOS, Android, Windows, etc.  some ways are just easier to deal with, more reliable in being malware free, etc.

post #171 of 245
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What features on Android will Apple NOT provide in the future that you need?  I'm curious as to what your reasons are.

 

File-manager, able to connect to a server via VPN with said filemanager, Samba, sideloading of apps, SD Card, multiuser support, able to run "all" apps in the background, free development costs, cross app functionality, keyboard replacement (writing for instance), wacom pen active digitizer, widgets, custom home screens, be able to mount the phone on any computer and see the entire drive without the use of a MP3 player, access to the shell for Python, Perl, change default browser, removable battery, complete control.

 

I no longer have an Android phone as my work switched to BlackBerry's, the Z10 and Q10. Personal phones are a Nokia Pureview 808 and a soon to be shipped JollyOS Phone. I still have a Motorola Xoom II that I use as a hobby machine and for maintaining my servers, aforementioned file-manager and shell scripts.

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post #172 of 245
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My point was that although both OS X and android users can install software from anywhere they want, OS X users typically get their software from sources with better-established histories. 

 

Funny you mentioned that as the most downloaded applications on PirateBay are for OSX, Photoshop being one of the top, I kind of get why Adobe went to an online subscription. Well, I guess you can say that PirateBay has an established history, ;). Buying a Mac doesn't automatically make you moral, in fact OSX and Linux is a favorite with virus and malware writers, the whole you can't infect yourself with your own work shtick. My first virus was written on a Mac PowerPC 6100 with a Intel 486 card in it, nothing to devious, it popped up a cartoon of a stick figure dancing in Win 95, when you clicked on it, it multiplied by two.

 

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post #173 of 245
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File-manager, able to connect to a server via VPN with said filemanager, Samba, sideloading of apps, SD Card, multiuser support, able to run "all" apps in the background, free development costs, cross app functionality, keyboard replacement (writing for instance), wacom pen active digitizer, widgets, custom home screens, be able to mount the phone on any computer and see the entire drive without the use of a MP3 player, access to the shell for Python, Perl, change default browser, removable battery, complete control.

 

I no longer have an Android phone as my work switched to BlackBerry's, the Z10 and Q10. Personal phones are a Nokia Pureview 808 and a soon to be shipped JollyOS Phone. I still have a Motorola Xoom II that I use as a hobby machine and for maintaining my servers, aforementioned file-manager and shell scripts.

Why do you need access to Python and Perl?  On a smartphone?   REALLY?  Just because you might be able to do it doesn't mean you should.  If was programming, I would use a full fledge computer with a real keyboard, large screen, etc. and leave a smartphone to doing what it's really designed for which is making and receiving phone calls as it's Number 1 priority.  Now I can see why you need to replace your batteries.  You sound like you use it more than you do a computer.  I think you need a laptop with Skype.

 

So, you carry around 3 or so smartphones?  Shit.  And how many different batteries do you carry around?  Maybe you really need is a Batman Utility belt to store everything.

 

I still can't figure out why people want to make a smartphone more like a traditional desktop/laptop computer, they aren't designed to completely take over a regular computer.  Some of things on your list I agree with and will be in iOS 7 and maybe Apple will release a larger (4.5inch or larger screen iPhone in the near future).  But some of the things you are talking about make these things far too complicated for the average user and some people like the simplicity of what the iPhone is and how it's used.  I don't want to have to administer my phone like a desktop computer.  I use them differently.  

 

Jolly OS Phone?  Never heard of it.  Oh NO.  Not another BS attempt at another wannabe smartphone.  Whatever it is, it will most likely come and go..

 

The company you work for just switched to Blackberry?  You know they are sucking wind financially?  They probably have two ways of going. Either getting bought out or going bankrupt.  They really don't have any traction anymore.  6.8 Million smartphones sold and 100,000 tablets sold?  Those are HORRIBLE numbers.  

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Funny you mentioned that as the most downloaded applications on PirateBay are for OSX, Photoshop being one of the top, I kind of get why Adobe went to an online subscription. Well, I guess you can say that PirateBay has an established history, ;). Buying a Mac doesn't automatically make you moral, in fact OSX and Linux is a favorite with virus and malware writers, the whole you can't infect yourself with your own work shtick. My first virus was written on a Mac PowerPC 6100 with a Intel 486 card in it, nothing to devious, it popped up a cartoon of a stick figure dancing in Win 95, when you clicked on it, it multiplied by two.

 

Never heard of Pirate Bay, maybe that's where the Hackintosh crowd goes to.

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Funny you mentioned that as the most downloaded applications on PirateBay are for OSX, Photoshop being one of the top, I kind of get why Adobe went to an online subscription. Well, I guess you can say that PirateBay has an established history, ;). Buying a Mac doesn't automatically make you moral, in fact OSX and Linux is a favorite with virus and malware writers, the whole you can't infect yourself with your own work shtick. My first virus was written on a Mac PowerPC 6100 with a Intel 486 card in it, nothing to devious, it popped up a cartoon of a stick figure dancing in Win 95, when you clicked on it, it multiplied by two.

 

 

OS X is not a favorite for people writing viruses and malware?  BS.  Show me the list of malware and viruses on OS X.  Most of the malware is being written for Android.  Go talk to f-secure, McAfee.  The only thing they seem to be going after for OSX is related to Java and Adobe Flash, but that's also on Windows.  But Flash is ALMOST dead and Java is getting better.  But you don't HAVE to use either.
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Funny you mentioned that as the most downloaded applications on PirateBay are for OSX, Photoshop being one of the top, I kind of get why Adobe went to an online subscription. Well, I guess you can say that PirateBay has an established history, ;). Buying a Mac doesn't automatically make you moral, in fact OSX and Linux is a favorite with virus and malware writers, the whole you can't infect yourself with your own work shtick. My first virus was written on a Mac PowerPC 6100 with a Intel 486 card in it, nothing to devious, it popped up a cartoon of a stick figure dancing in Win 95, when you clicked on it, it multiplied by two.

 

Your first virus was on a Mac 6100 with a 486 card and it popped up in Windows 95?  Then you virus wasn't Mac OS related, it was Windows 95 related.  Did you write the virus?  If so, then I can see why you have the mentality you do.  Sounds like you might be one of those scum of the earth hackers that everyone wants to just go away and not bother people anymore.

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This is the one of the major concern in Android world.
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relic,

 

Your line of reasoning is about the dumbest I've seen in a long time.  here's why.

 

1.  99% of the population that uses a smartphone is NOT a programmer.

 

Okay, what's your point?

 

2.  Most of the people out there don't WANT to become programmers.

 

Again, what's your point, I never said anything to warrant this response.

 

3.  You waste a LOT of time doing what you are doing just to USE your smartphone?  Doesn't sound to smart to me.  That seems rather stupid and a lot of wasted hours you could be doing something else.  Does Google pay you to root your system?  Not unless you work for Google.

 

Your assuming and being an antagonist, there is no time wasted, installing a custom ROM takes minutes and most of them have auto-updater's that rival what was originally shipped with the unit.

 

4.  You will never be satisfied with just using a product the way the MFG designed the product.  Smartphones, inherently aren't designed to do what you are doing.  What you are doing is an after thought to make updates available without waiting for the MFG to update their model product because of the flaws of the Android platform.  Even Microsoft isn't stupid to release their "Open" OS in the same manner.

 

No, I wont, because I have certain expectations, if the platform allows me to change it, even goes so far as providing me with the tools to do it then by all means I will. It's inherently ignorant just to except something because that's the way it was shipped. If I have the know how, then by all means I will use it. Microsoft like Apple want to control every aspect of the users experience, that's fine for those who are seeking such things but it's not stupid to release a platform that caters to people like me.

 

5.  So, doing what you're doing doesn't have to wait for Google to release a patch to fix a security flaw?

 

The source code is freely available, the community can plug holes much faster then a bureaucracy.

 

6.  Apple has more third party apps than Android, so there are a LOT of apps that you CAN'T run on your Android.  If you switch to Ubuntu Touch or Titzen, there will be even LESS apps to run.

 

So be it, Apple didn't start out with all those apps, it took people like me time to write them. Same goes for Ubuntu Touch, however in their case they already have a huge development community to start out with. Titzen is MeegOS, when Nokia discontinued their N9 it left a large whole to fill. Now there is also a company called Yola that is also producing a MeegOS phone so it will be interesting to see what comes out of it. I am also interested in new and different things, yes the iPhone is a nice phone but everyone also has one, I like being different and the phone doesn't offer me anything that I absolutly need. I don't need all of those apps especially games on my phone, I use Evernote, Browser with Flash, Skydrive, FIle-Manager YouTube, GrooveShark, Google Maps, Skype, Mail with POP3 and that's pretty much it. All of which are on my business phone, Blackberry Z10. My personal phone is a Nokia 808 which I have because of the incredible camera and soon a YolaOS phone to develop on and mostly use as a toy.

 

7.  You say you are a programmer?  What platform(s) do you write code for to earn a living?  And what kind of living do you make?

 

Yes, C++. C#, Java, Python, Perl, CORBA, Dalvik and I started out with FORTAN and Basic, I've worked for UBS over 18 years, I am the Director of Internal Trading Applications. Asking what kind of living someone makes is quite rude but I will tell you I was offered a job at Deutsche Bank at a starting salary of 180k Euros a year and I turned it down.

 

8.  Saying you are a programmer and you "know what you are doing" should not be said in the same sentence.  For a programmer to say that Android is Unix indicates that you DON'T know what you are talking about.  Even I knew Android is not Unix and I'm not a programmer.

 

Your putting words in my mouth here, I never said anything in regards to UNIX being use in Android, any idiot knows it's Linux. I think you confused me with another poster.

 

Bottom Line.  It seems as though you shouldn't be on AppleInsider since you tend to put out a lot of misleading, misguided information that serves no one other than your arrogant, narcissistic ego.

 

That's you opinion, as I use Android, Windows, Linux and OSX on a daily basis, my interests run broader then most. You have encountered me in two threads, one was for Windows 8 which I use and this one for Andoid, which I also use however I'm also a big fan of Apple products and I own a few. Just because I don't share your views of hating everything except Apple doesn't make me anymore less of a Apple fan. I would have never shared my views on these other systems if Appleinsider didn't post so many stories about what other companies are doing. I think it's ridiculous and quite childish to complain so much about the competition the way you do especially when you don't use it. Million's of people use Windows and Android everyday and are quite content. Yes, yes iOS is the best, blah, blah, at the end of the day it comes down what the individual can accomplish on their devices and if their happy and me, I'm quite happy.

 

By your thinking, the only people that should use Android are programmers that want to write code for Android and are willing to waste a LOT of time with these XDA ROMS just to keep up to date on what is really one of the most pathetic excuses for an Operating System platform ever to be released.

 

I was only stating that "I" prefer using custom ROMS and that I recommend people do the the same as they get updated more and have less problems, my opinion. Your hatred for Android is your business.

 

Enjoy your bag of hurt and Good Luck with ALL THAT!

 

I will thanks! 1biggrin.gif


Edited by Relic - 7/5/13 at 5:21am
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Your first virus was on a Mac 6100 with a 486 card and it popped up in Windows 95?  Then you virus wasn't Mac OS related, it was Windows 95 related.  Did you write the virus?  If so, then I can see why you have the mentality you do.  Sounds like you might be one of those scum of the earth hackers that everyone wants to just go away and not bother people anymore.

If you read the WHOLE post I said people use OSX and Linux so they won't infect their own systems, in this case I used Mac OS 9.1 and a 486 card with W95 as the target machine, since they both used the same storage it was an ideal platform for such things. The virus was a project for a class I was taking at the university, you know computer science. My mentality is opened minded where as you seem to be a very closed minded individual, your way, everything else is crap.


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Here is more on another trojan detected last week by Kasperksy

If you look at that how to avoid, the number one is; 1. Disable allowing apps from unknown sources.

 

A lot of these problems can be avoided if people would not install third party apps from those cracked app sites. That's not going to happen though so it's their own damn fault. Again, I personally have never had a Malware or a Virus on any of my devices, it's easy to accomplish.

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post #181 of 245

 Relic,

 

Is any aspect of what you are doing with the rooting of the phone and updating it that was supported and encouraged by the device mfg?  Simple question?

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This article is an example of why I despise Android.  It's a mess.   A total mess.  There is no consistency through out the platform. You buy a product from a company that supports the hardware and software, that's how you deal with it.  When you go AROUND the normal way of doing things, it becomes UNSUPPORTED by the mfg. Right?  Well, that's how I deal with things.  I buy a product and go by the terms and conditions of the mfg warranty/support contract.  With Apple products, I don't have even the need to try to go around the updating process to get my OS updated because of Google's crappy way of updating all of these products (non-Nexus).  That's the point. You have to do what your doing to always have the latest version OS, with Apple, I don't have to do that.  That's the point.


What happens if you brick the phone?  Can it happen?  Yup.  Does it happen?  It may not be frequent, but it does happen.  When it does.  You now have to buy a new one because it's not supported/covered under warranty.  Right? 

 

So, what would be the process for someone that has never rooted a Android phone go about from start to finish on updating a Samsung Galaxy Admire that has Gingerbread on it and what would they end up with?  Explain the entire process from start to finish for some one that has never done it before that's a complete novice. 

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So where do you get these custom ROMs and how would you replace the existing ROM with a custom ROM?  What's the step by step process?

 

And when you finish that, ask yourself, does an Apple iPhone user have to do that? NOPE.  Why not?  Because when Apple releases an update, you get it within minutes after it's available.  Why is that?  Because Apple is the developer of both the hardware and software and it's not this Open Free For All mess where everyone takes the main OS and then does their little modifications specific to each model product they make.  That's where the mess is then created which is why it takes so damned long to get an OS update.  Yeah, with Nexus, you get it as fast as Google releases it.  Why doesn't Google just have everyone use Nexus OS? Why does Google allow these manufacturers to make non-Nexus phones and tablets? 

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So where do you get these custom ROMs and how would you replace the existing ROM with a custom ROM?  What's the step by step process?

 

And when you finish that, ask yourself, does an Apple iPhone user have to do that? NOPE.  Why not?  Because when Apple releases an update, you get it within minutes after it's available.  Why is that?  Because Apple is the developer of both the hardware and software and it's not this Open Free For All mess where everyone takes the main OS and then does their little modifications specific to each model product they make.  That's where the mess is then created which is why it takes so damned long to get an OS update.  Yeah, with Nexus, you get it as fast as Google releases it.  Why doesn't Google just have everyone use Nexus OS? Why does Google allow these manufacturers to make non-Nexus phones and tablets? 

XDA is the best depository for ROMS, a Samsung phone for instance needs a program called Odin, also found on XDA or directly from Samsung. Simply find the ROM your looking for in the Forum, download it, open Odin, select the ROM under the button called PDA, then click Start, wait, the phone will reboot and your done. Takes about 4 minutes. Believe me if Apple provided a flashing tool I would be one of the first people to start doing it. I actually compile my own ROM from source as I like to strip out the none essentials to free up as much space and ram. 

 

It takes the manufactures time to release not Google, they release the source code in a stable, beta, dev, capacity and it's nightly. If Google forced everyone to use their version it wouldn't be opened then would it. This does cause problems, yes, that's why I suggest to people to use custom ROM's from XDA, your phone will always be up to date and the the shelf life of your device would be at least 5 years. You can still get ROM's for the HTC G1, the original Android phone and it's Jelly Bean.

 

Company's are getting the hint though, Asus, HTC and Samsung are starting to release updates in a faster manner. The Samsung S2 for instance has already had about 6 updates and Jelly Bean is available.

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This article is an example of why I despise Android.  It's a mess.   A total mess.  There is no consistency through out the platform. You buy a product from a company that supports the hardware and software, that's how you deal with it.  When you go AROUND the normal way of doing things, it becomes UNSUPPORTED by the mfg. Right?  Well, that's how I deal with things.  I buy a product and go by the terms and conditions of the mfg warranty/support contract.  With Apple products, I don't have even the need to try to go around the updating process to get my OS updated because of Googly's crappy way of updating all of these products (non-Nexus).  That's the point. You have to do what your doing to always have the latest version OS, with Apple, I don't have to do that.  That's the point.


What happens if you brick the phone?  Can it happen?  Yup.  Does it happen?  It may not be frequent, but it does happen.  When it does.  You now have to buy a new one because it's not supported/covered under warranty.  Right? 

 

So, what would be the process for someone that has never rooted a Android phone go about from start to finish on updating a Samsung Galaxy Admire that has Gingerbread on it and what would they end up with?  Explain the entire process from start to finish for some one that has never done it before that's a complete novice. 

So then just stick with Apple, why are you complaining about something you don't use. Your just going on and on about it, don't worry your pretty little head it's not your problem. You will never convince me and I nor you, I know the advantages and disadvantages of this platform inside and out but I still choose to use it, why, because the pros must out way the cons. I make this platform sit up, play dead and jump threw a hoop. It's the same reason why people mess about with their cars, tuning them, playing with the timings and why they don't just buy a Honda and be done with it.

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So, what would be the process for someone that has never rooted a Android phone go about from start to finish on updating a Samsung Galaxy Admire that has Gingerbread on it and what would they end up with?  Explain the entire process from start to finish for some one that has never done it before that's a complete novice. 

Geesh, no wonder why you hate Android phones, that is one gigantic piece of crap pre-paid phone. There is a Android 4.1 ROM floating out there for it, How To -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGpeRnPnuG8, ROM -> http://www.4shared.com/file/xnZKdIFj/GASMOD.html , ODIN -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1347899 hey it's better then nothing. I can compile a Jelly Bean version for you but it will take a couple of days, taking the kids to Disney Land Paris over the weekend, yay for me.

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Funny you mentioned that as the most downloaded applications on PirateBay are for OSX, Photoshop being one of the top, I kind of get why Adobe went to an online subscription. Well, I guess you can say that PirateBay has an established history, 1wink.gif. Buying a Mac doesn't automatically make you moral, in fact OSX and Linux is a favorite with virus and malware writers, the whole you can't infect yourself with your own work shtick. My first virus was written on a Mac PowerPC 6100 with a Intel 486 card in it, nothing to devious, it popped up a cartoon of a stick figure dancing in Win 95, when you clicked on it, it multiplied by two.

Since you're not even able to tell the difference between a Mac virus and a Windows 95 virus, why are you even commenting on this thread?
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I'll never understand the need for widgets. They're so boring and it really isn't that hard to dig into an app you need like weather to get better information quickly. Back when I had an android phone I always trashed them ASAP. Not my thing, Which is why I didn't complain when Apple skipped them for iOS7. 

 

I don't go widget heavy either.  But I love it for the ones that I use.  On my main screen I have the weather-clock widget.  Makes it very easy to read with a quick glance instead of grabbing my glasses and looking at the notification bar.  On the same screen I have anther widgets that shows the times in 2 countries where the rest of my team is.  I have widgets on various screens with the daily agenda, Google Music control, Favorite contacts, a direct dial for my wife, photos (that change) of my family.  I have lately discovered Google Keep.  Which is really handy.  There are widgets for the Lock screen.  Other folks have widgets that they find useful.  The advantage of widgets is getting updated information at a glance.  Google Now is especially useful and I have that on my tablet. 

 

Once you get used to it, it's hard to get back to digging out an app and navigating to the screen that you want.  eg. If I click on the time of the weather-clock widget, it opens up the timer.  A swipe left or right will give me a world clock, a stopwatch and the alarm.  If I click on the weather part of the clock, I get the forecast for the rest of the week. If I click on the location of the widget, I get a screen that allows me to change it.  Clicking on the temperature, gives me the ability to change the settings.  All of this is completely customizable so the widget itself can be changed to display whatever you want.  And you can open any app you want on different locations in the widget.

 

I wrote an expense app to keep track of my expenses when I travel.  With a link on my screen, I was able to add expenses to a specific account with a quick tap without having to open the app and navigate to the category.  When I was done with my travel, I just deleted the link and cleared up the real estate.

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So then just stick with Apple, why are you complaining about something you don't use. Your just going on and on about it, don't worry your pretty little head it's not your problem. You will never convince me and I nor you, I know the advantages and disadvantages of this platform inside and out but I still choose to use it, why, because the pros must out way the cons. I make this platform sit up, play dead and jump threw a hoop. It's the same reason why people mess about with their cars, tuning them, playing with the timings and why they don't just buy a Honda and be done with it.

Most people don't play around tuning their cars.  Only a very small portion of the population that owns cars does that.

 

Yeah, I'm the type of user that would go out, buy a Mercedes Benz, and bring it in to a qualified service center (not just the dealership) and get things done by the owner's manual. If I hear or feel something strange, I bring it in.  I don't want to "save a little money" by trying to do things I could probably learn how to do myself, because it's not my thing. I had a neighbor try to convince me that I could save money by doing the brakes myself, etc.  But guess what?  That idiot, as many cars as he's done over his life with all the actual training he's had over the years, would still screw up time to time and the amount of time he spent on dicking around with what he felt was simple didn't seem so simple anymore.  It didn't seem worth it.  Cars these days are designed where they have special testing/diagnostic equipment and maybe some special tools to prevent Joe Blow from doing what you are talking about.  It's not like the olden days when you bought a Muscle car and modified the crap out of it in your garage.  Yeah, there are plenty of tweaks the car freaks will do, but again, most people don't do that.  They would rather use the car and let the trained professionals handle fixing it.  Yeah, I will break out my tools on an older mac and replace stuff, I've done it, and i might do it again, but only after the thing is so far out of warranty that even Apple doesn't support it anymore, but I'm getting past that now.

 

A long time ago, I would probably be more inclined to do what you are doing when I was young and new to the industry.  I used to download Beta versions of Mac OS, play around with Res Edit and tweak the OS and other weird stuff, but after a while, I got older, got less interested in it.  To me, you are just in a place where I used to be, but got out of that mentality as I've grown up.   

 

I'm a lot older than you and have been involved with the computer industry as either a consumer, a reseller, a technician fixing, testing, upgrading hardware/software on PCs, Apple IIs, Macs, C/PM since the late 70's.  I've seen first hand or through customer's eyes, a lot of horror stories and I've learned over time I'll stick with what works best.  Apple has proven that to me, and Microsoft hasn't.  I'll stick to just doing what I can do without violating a warranty, first and foremost.  I'll buy the AppleCare support contract because i have that piece of mind.  Some computer fanatics will put their own PCs together and think they are Mr/Ms Know it all. I have friends along the way that have done that and think they are saving money and every time i would run into them, they seem to be always trying to fix their DIY PC they saved money on while I just pull out my Mac laptop and just use the thing how it was intended.   

 

Yeah, I've had modifications done to a car, and have had problems with them as well.  One modification, which I thought was going to be cool ended up costing an additional $3,500 and a lot of hassle.    Some I wouldn't hesitate doing but some I would.  It all comes from experience.  Again, I know that doing what you are doing with a rooting an OS can brick a phone.  I know it's not going to happen all of the time, but all it would have to do is happen once and that would teach me not to do that.   Again, what you are doing is not covered under warranty, is it?

 

BTW, I dislike Japanese cars, I like Mercedes. I feel more comfortable in them and safer in them.  For some reason, Japanese cars don't have seats that I feel comfortable sitting in.  

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XDA is the best depository for ROMS, a Samsung phone for instance needs a program called Odin, also found on XDA or directly from Samsung. Simply find the ROM your looking for in the Forum, download it, open Odin, select the ROM under the button called PDA, then click Start, wait, the phone will reboot and your done. Takes about 4 minutes. Believe me if Apple provided a flashing tool I would be one of the first people to start doing it. I actually compile my own ROM from source as I like to strip out the none essentials to free up as much space and ram. 

 

It takes the manufactures time to release not Google, they release the source code in a stable, beta, dev, capacity and it's nightly. If Google forced everyone to use their version it wouldn't be opened then would it. This does cause problems, yes, that's why I suggest to people to use custom ROM's from XDA, your phone will always be up to date and the the shelf life of your device would be at least 5 years. You can still get ROM's for the HTC G1, the original Android phone and it's Jelly Bean.

 

Company's are getting the hint though, Asus, HTC and Samsung are starting to release updates in a faster manner. The Samsung S2 for instance has already had about 6 updates and Jelly Bean is available.

Now, how would an average novice know anything about this whole XDA process?  What happens if there is a problem and it screws up your phone?  Murphy's always will come into effect at some point in time.  You've obviously have spent countless hours, days, weeks, etc. researching this, but to someone that has NO experience whatsoever (Average Joe Blow) wouldn't have a clue what to do and they would have to recreate the wheel so to speak in learning what you've already learned.

 

Again, is what you are doing sanctioned and supported by the mfg?  I seem to remember Microsoft asking XDA to remove Microsoft OEM ROMs from their site.  So from it sounds like, even Microsoft doesn't like that crap going on.

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Geesh, no wonder why you hate Android phones, that is one gigantic piece of crap pre-paid phone. There is a Android 4.1 ROM floating out there for it, How To -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGpeRnPnuG8, ROM -> http://www.4shared.com/file/xnZKdIFj/GASMOD.html , ODIN -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1347899 hey it's better then nothing. I can compile a Jelly Bean version for you but it will take a couple of days, taking the kids to Disney Land Paris over the weekend, yay for me.

The Galaxy Amire is just one example that I think is a piece of crap.  the other aspect that I just simply cannot get around the fact that when I walk into a store that carries pretty much every major brand phone, that only one or two Android based phones actually have 4.2.2 (which is the latest release) on the freaking product when you walk out of the store.  THAT right there tells me to STAY away from that entire platform.  That is a RED FLAG SCREAMING DANGER, DANGER, KEEP AWAY.

 

The other aspect is talking with friends, regardless of their knowledge of technology, will tell me what they like and dislike about their various phones.  The consensus is that most of them that have Android based phones hate them.  Most of them don't have time or even any form of desire to do what you are doing with XDA. Whether you think it's easy or not.  They just don't have that desire to do that.  Most of the people that I know that have Android phones are looking forward to buying an iPhone, some of them have already and they don't complain, at all.  I hear NO complaints other than they might be in a bad cell area, but that's more of geography to their carrier's towers or they are in a very busy area where calls can get dropped because there is too much traffic during peak times.  But I've not heard a peep out of anyone I know personally with any complaints other than one person that didn't speak English and he couldn't understand someone trying to explain how things work.  I'm not suggesting that Apple hasn't had customers that have had problems, that does happen, but I can assure you, the percentage of complaints are far fewer overall.

 

See you aren't the norm with Android, most Android users aren't going to do what you are doing, if they did, then XDA would have hundreds of millions of registered users rather than just 5 Million.  That suggests that there are only less than 1% of the Android users will root their system.  I'm wondering how many bricks have been created doing this rooting process.  You think it's the Bee's knees, but some people aren't impressed by it.  Personally, Google should just design and release their product where anyone can walk into a freaking store and buy anything on the shelf and they all have the latest version OS.  Yeah, that will never happen as long as Google has their mentality.

 

Google Nexus 4? That thing has a crappy camera and so do the Samsungs.  Ooops.

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Geesh, no wonder why you hate Android phones, that is one gigantic piece of crap pre-paid phone. There is a Android 4.1 ROM floating out there for it, How To -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGpeRnPnuG8, ROM -> http://www.4shared.com/file/xnZKdIFj/GASMOD.html , ODIN -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1347899 hey it's better then nothing. I can compile a Jelly Bean version for you but it will take a couple of days, taking the kids to Disney Land Paris over the weekend, yay for me.

I have a question.  How many different smartphones have you owned and currently own?  I've only had one which I bought 1 1/2 years ago with no problems.  I wanted to wait a little while until the market matured a little before jumping in.

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Gee I got in on this one late.  For anyone done relishing in negativity toward Android, or has an Android device or a friend with one that wants info on avoiding the exploit (it's pretty simple, just don't allow unknown sources), here's the AC article:

 

http://www.androidcentral.com/making-sense-latest-android-security-scare

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Since you're not even able to tell the difference between a Mac virus and a Windows 95 virus, why are you even commenting on this thread?

Excuse me, you need to read my posts, I created a virus on my Mac PowerPC 6100 with a 486 card that used a W95 for W95. I know the difference, please don't post before you have all of the facts straight.

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What happens if you brick the phone?  Can it happen?  Yup.  Does it happen?  It may not be frequent, but it does happen.  When it does.  You now have to buy a new one because it's not supported/covered under warranty.  Right? 

 

So, what would be the process for someone that has never rooted a Android phone go about from start to finish on updating a Samsung Galaxy Admire that has Gingerbread on it and what would they end up with?  Explain the entire process from start to finish for some one that has never done it before that's a complete novice. 

 

Samsung phones are practically un-brickable.  The Odin app with the stock image can take you right back to stock if anything goes wrong.  I don't think I have ever seen any reports of a truly bricked Samsung phone on XDA.  You see people posting that they have bricked their phones.  But they haven't.  And have been able to recover them.  HTC phones on the other hand can definitely get bricked if you are not careful with S-OFF.

 

Relic explained how to use Odin to install a custom ROM.  And while the process itself is really simple and takes just a few minutes, the entire activity is not.  It takes hours of reading (at least I do that) to ensure that you understand what you are doing and get everything downloaded and installed on your PC before starting the rooting process (including getting the stock ROM in case something goes wrong).  But these One Click apps have been getting really really good and I guess someone could just download and install without doing the reading and it would work for most people.  But I don't like to do that.  As far as a novice is concerned, it depends on how tech savvy the person is.  If the person is tech savvy, any novice can follow the instructions on XDA and do it.  If the person is not tech savvy and is a friend or relative I do it for them.  I'd never expect my sister or wife to be able to install it.  Not going to happen.  Not because they can't do it if they set their minds to it, but because they simply don't care and don't want to.  And that's the vast majority of the people.  For them, I either recommend that they get a Nexus phone or for some, an iPhone.

 

A lot of people blame manufacturers and carriers for not getting their phones updated.  I blame them partially.  I reserve most of the blame for Google.  This is one area that Apple nailed.  Google could have modularized the OS with an hardware abstraction layer that can host the drivers and radio binaries of the device and ensured that manufacturers have to provide it to them for the latest OS before it is released.  If they fail to do that, Google threatens to take away their access to Google services on their upcoming phones.  Google should then provide the OS for each device on their web site that people can update from.  It's not that simple of course.  For one, manufacturers customize not just the launcher, but have deep tentacles into the OS.  Consumers would lose that if they update from Google.  That's essentially what's happening with the HTC One and Galaxy S4, that Google is selling on the Play Store.  Manufacturers need to put their apps (camera, gestures etc.) on the Play Store.  The decoupling would make it cleaner in the first place and can be updated independently - just like Google has started doing with all their apps.  I'll bet there is a significant majority of people that don't care about updating the OS.  But for those that do, Google should provide the opportunity to do so.  Microsoft has been doing this for decades for Windows on PC.  There is no reason, Google can't do the same for Android - which is based on Linux anyway.  There is one caveat though.  I read somewhere that carriers take 6 months to test the phones out with the new OS.  I don't buy it because timelines of OS updates on Nexus devices have shown that there simply wasn't enough time to have done 6 months of testing and get the new OS developed and released.  Apple is clearly still working on iOS7.  So there is no way that there is going to be 6 months of testing by carriers worldwide before it's released this fall.

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I have a question.  How many different smartphones have you owned and currently own?  I've only had one which I bought 1 1/2 years ago with no problems.  I wanted to wait a little while until the market matured a little before jumping in.

Oh geesh, that is a hard question. I started early with smartphones, Ericsson r380, every Nokia Communicator ever built. Android phones, just 2, last one being a Galaxy Note and a Galaxy SII  before that. Currently I have a Nokia N9 (I have the white 64GB model still in it's box, collectors item for me), Nokia Pureview 808, Blackberry Z10 (daily driver) and I just ordered a Jolly Phone. My husband has an iPhone 5, daughter iPhone 4S(her contract is up in August so hopefully the iPhone 5S is out) and son Nokia 820, he has a lot of friends on Xbox Live and the Widows 8 platform is a great phone for that kind of thing. The HTC One is quite a nice phone, one of the best looking screens I have ever seen but it makes sense to wait. I hate to mention Windows 8 again but Nokia is coming out with a 40MP EOS version, I have the Symbian one the 808 and if photos is your thing there is no substitute.

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Admit it Relic, you don't know the difference between a Mac virus and a Windows 95 virus.  Just like I think Android is Unix.  lol.gif

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Geesh, no wonder why you hate Android phones, that is one gigantic piece of crap pre-paid phone. There is a Android 4.1 ROM floating out there for it, How To -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGpeRnPnuG8, ROM -> http://www.4shared.com/file/xnZKdIFj/GASMOD.html , ODIN -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1347899 hey it's better then nothing. I can compile a Jelly Bean version for you but it will take a couple of days, taking the kids to Disney Land Paris over the weekend, yay for me.

Here's what I don't get.  Samsung has a $150 unlocked phone that's essentially a new phone that runs Gingerbread which is a 3+ year old OS and the mfg has not released a 4.2.2 update for it to get it to the latest OS.  If Apple had their iPhone 3G on the market, which doesn't support iOS 6 or the upcoming iOS 7, and it was running iOS 4 out of the box, everyone would be ripping Apple a new orifice for that, yet no one really complains that Samsung is doing it with the Admire.   The Android sheep still walk into stores and buys the Admire running a 3+ year old OS.  That to me is hypocrisy and stupidity rolled up into one.  If I was a journalist, I would be ripping Samsung, Google, etc. every time they did something that Apple and even Microsoft wouldn't do.  That's like Microsoft selling a brand new computer loaded with Vista on it and not allowing it to run Windows 8, or even Windows 7 for that matter.  Microsoft or what ever PC mfg would get ripped a new one for that.  Even HP and other still market Windows 7 PCs because their market hasn't fully adopted Windows 8 yet, so they are still pumping out Windows 7 computers since their users still want to run Windows 7.  Apple users tend to want the latest and greatest OS as soon as possible and that's why they have a faster adoption rate.  Android?  Still after several years, Gingerbread is the most widely used Android phone.  That's spells trouble.  I'm surprised the media hasn't ripped Samsung, Google, etc. a lot more than they have.  Dumb journalists.

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Samsung phones are practically un-brickable.  The Odin app with the stock image can take you right back to stock if anything goes wrong.  I don't think I have ever seen any reports of a truly bricked Samsung phone on XDA.  You see people posting that they have bricked their phones.  But they haven't.  And have been able to recover them.  HTC phones on the other hand can definitely get bricked if you are not careful with S-OFF.

 

Relic explained how to use Odin to install a custom ROM.  And while the process itself is really simple and takes just a few minutes, the entire activity is not.  It takes hours of reading (at least I do that) to ensure that you understand what you are doing and get everything downloaded and installed on your PC before starting the rooting process (including getting the stock ROM in case something goes wrong).  But these One Click apps have been getting really really good and I guess someone could just download and install without doing the reading and it would work for most people.  But I don't like to do that.  As far as a novice is concerned, it depends on how tech savvy the person is.  If the person is tech savvy, any novice can follow the instructions on XDA and do it.  If the person is not tech savvy and is a friend or relative I do it for them.  I'd never expect my sister or wife to be able to install it.  Not going to happen.  Not because they can't do it if they set their minds to it, but because they simply don't care and don't want to.  And that's the vast majority of the people.  For them, I either recommend that they get a Nexus phone or for some, an iPhone.

 

A lot of people blame manufacturers and carriers for not getting their phones updated.  I blame them partially.  I reserve most of the blame for Google.  This is one area that Apple nailed.  Google could have modularized the OS with an hardware abstraction layer that can host the drivers and radio binaries of the device and ensured that manufacturers have to provide it to them for the latest OS before it is released.  If they fail to do that, Google threatens to take away their access to Google services on their upcoming phones.  Google should then provide the OS for each device on their web site that people can update from.  It's not that simple of course.  For one, manufacturers customize not just the launcher, but have deep tentacles into the OS.  Consumers would lose that if they update from Google.  That's essentially what's happening with the HTC One and Galaxy S4, that Google is selling on the Play Store.  Manufacturers need to put their apps (camera, gestures etc.) on the Play Store.  The decoupling would make it cleaner in the first place and can be updated independently - just like Google has started doing with all their apps.  I'll bet there is a significant majority of people that don't care about updating the OS.  But for those that do, Google should provide the opportunity to do so.  Microsoft has been doing this for decades for Windows on PC.  There is no reason, Google can't do the same for Android - which is based on Linux anyway.  There is one caveat though.  I read somewhere that carriers take 6 months to test the phones out with the new OS.  I don't buy it because timelines of OS updates on Nexus devices have shown that there simply wasn't enough time to have done 6 months of testing and get the new OS developed and released.  Apple is clearly still working on iOS7.  So there is no way that there is going to be 6 months of testing by carriers worldwide before it's released this fall.

Nice post, the Samsung phones really are the easiest to flash. The Samsung Galaxy S3 thread at XDA for example has the original ROM's all ready to go in case you want to role the phone back so there is no need for you to hunt around for them. They even include all of the necessary drivers if you haven't already installed them when you got the phone. The process then, if you feel comfortable that is, should take a person no more then 30 minutes, reading included. Once you feel that you know what your doing future flashing takes minutes to do. Sometimes on a Saturday I'll download 5 or 6 ROM's to test them out.

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Admit it Relic, you don't know the difference between a Mac virus and a Windows 95 virus.  Just like I think Android is Unix.  lol.gif

Yeah, people just don't read the entire post or jump in at the middle thinking they have all of the answers. My English isn't the best to begin with but even I can follow a conversation.

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