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Finally justice has prevailed Zimmerman not guilty of all charges. Great news to hear.T. Martin was no little angel at all like people thought.A troublemaker to say the least.Stand Your Ground good law in Florida.

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The trial had nothing to do with "Stand Your Ground".

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The trial had nothing to do with "Stand Your Ground".

The jury disagrees with you.

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Only in America can a dead black guy go on trial for his own murder.

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You should read up and realize the second example was convicted of attempted murder for firing shots at her husband and their children. She left the house, got the gun and fired at three "warning shots" at them as they were fleeing their house. Not st all the same.

Zimmerman defense never mentioned Stand Your Ground. It was classic self defense and that picture reflects someone stirring resentment while promoting ignorance.

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The jury disagrees with you.

You're completely wrong. Stand your ground was never part of the defense. Only common self defense. Don't fall for the media hype.
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You should read up and realize the second example was convicted of attempted murder for firing shots at her husband and their children. She left the house, got the gun and fired at three "warning shots" at them as they were fleeing their house. Not st all the same.

Zimmerman defense never mentioned Stand Your Ground. It was classic self defense and that picture reflects someone stirring resentment while promoting ignorance.

 

 

Originally Posted by Floorjack View Post
You're completely wrong. Stand your ground was never part of the defense. Only common self defense. Don't fall for the media hype.
 


 

HOGWASH!

 

 

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Initially, police didn’t arrest Zimmerman as he asserted self-defense under the state’s Stand Your Ground law. While his attorneys never filed an official Stand Your Ground motion in the case, the claim would become Zimmerman’s central defense.

 

Last year, state Senator Dwight Bullard , D-39th District, led the charge against the Stand Your Ground law which the state’s legislature passed in 2005. While some say the law did not play a part in the trial, on CBS4′s “Facing South Florida” Bullard told Jim DeFede he disagrees.

 

“The reality is that from the very first steps taken by police in Sanford, in their inability to put Mr. Zimmerman in prison, it had everything to do with blow back from the Stand Your Ground law,” said Bullard. “When you look at the prosecution’s inability to give rules to the jurors in regards to did Zimmerman retreat or could he have retreated, it had everything to do with that statute.”

 

Before the law, if a person had the opportunity to retreat from a potentially dangerous situation, they were obligated to do so. Under the Stand Your Ground law, a person has no obligation to do so.

 

According to many, the Stand Your Ground law appears to have been an integral art of this case.

 

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Zimmerman extensively studied the Stand Your Ground law *PRIOR* to the killing. (He denied this at first). Would he have shot and killed this person had it not been for that prior knowledge?


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post #9 of 62
Haha, this is great!

I am glad that the race mongerers and the racists got a big slap in the face. They got smacked down big time. This whole trial was disgusting and Zimmerman now needs to go after certain media outlets that repeatedly lied and altered evidence in their liberal lynching of him. Zimmerman should sue NBC and others for many millions of dollars in damages. Facts be damned! If there is a group of ignorant liberals and trashy race baiters pointing their fingers at you, that's all the evidence that is required!

What's the difference between them and a group of people who like to wear white robes and hoods? Not much.

I also loved how the racist liberal media kept referring to GZ as a white-hispanic.1biggrin.gif

I also loved how the racist liberal media kept using an old picture of TM, showing him as a tiny kid.1biggrin.gif

This was a witch hunt, and even though slavery might have ended in the USA a long time ago, apparently many people still have a primitive witch trail mentality from 1692. The prosecution was a total joke and downright disgusting. The President's premature statements on the case were also pathetic, not very Presidential and a weak attempt at race baiting.

Justice was done, and the outcome was 100% correct.1smoking.gif
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Thanks for agreeing with me. Justice was done right this time.Zimmerman had to defend himself and he did the correct thing . This issue is not over by a long shot I know this.
 

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Apparently you missed the part where the woman was reportedly a convicted felon and therefore it was illegal for her to own a firearm. Completely different from Zimmerman.

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HOGWASH!


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Initially, police didn’t arrest Zimmerman as he asserted self-defense under the state’s Stand Your Ground law. While his attorneys never filed an official Stand Your Ground motion in the case, the claim would become Zimmerman’s central defense.

Last year, state Senator Dwight Bullard , D-39th District, led the charge against the Stand Your Ground law which the state’s legislature passed in 2005. While some say the law did not play a part in the trial, on CBS4′s “Facing South Florida” Bullard told Jim DeFede he disagrees.

“The reality is that from the very first steps taken by police in Sanford, in their inability to put Mr. Zimmerman in prison, it had everything to do with blow back from the Stand Your Ground law,” said Bullard. “When you look at the prosecution’s inability to give rules to the jurors in regards to did Zimmerman retreat or could he have retreated, it had everything to do with that statute.”

Before the law, if a person had the opportunity to retreat from a potentially dangerous situation, they were obligated to do so. Under the Stand Your Ground law, a person has no obligation to do so.

According to many, the Stand Your Ground law appears to have been an integral art of this case.

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Zimmerman extensively studied the Stand Your Ground law *PRIOR* to the killing. (He denied this at first). Would he have shot and killed this person had it not been for that prior knowledge?

Would you rather people were completely ignorant of the myriad laws that regulate and deter behavior?

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While his attorneys never filed an official Stand Your Ground motion in the case, the claim would become Zimmerman’s central defense.

 

You didn't just post that did you? The logical inconsistency in that "news" report. How is it is that he didn't utilize SYG and yet it was his CENTRAL defense? Zimmerman argued self defense.

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I'm sure this will put the SYG issue to rest.

 

Sorry, the Zimmerman Case Still Has Nothing to Do With 'Stand Your Ground'

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Jul. 14, 2013 11:12 am
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The story that George Zimmerman told about his fight with Trayvon Martin, the one that yesterday persuaded a jury to acquit him of second-degree murder and manslaughter, never had anything to do with the right to stand your ground when attacked in a public place. Knocked down and pinned to the ground by Martin, Zimmerman would not have had an opportunity to escape as Martin hit him and knocked his head against the concrete. The duty to retreat therefore was irrelevant. The initial decision not to arrest Zimmerman, former Sanford, Florida, Police Chief Bill Lee said last week (as paraphrased by CNN),  "had nothing to do with Florida's controversial 'Stand Your Ground' law" because "from an investigative standpoint, it was purely a matter of self-defense." And as The New York Times explained last month, "Florida's Stand Your Ground law...has not been invoked in this case." The only context in which "stand your ground" was mentioned during the trial was as part of the prosecution's attempt to undermine Zimmerman's credibility by arguing that he lied when he told Fox News host Sean Hannity that he had not heard of the law until after the shooting. During his rebuttal on Friday, prosecutor John Guy declared, "This case is not about standing your ground." 
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I'm sure this will put the SYG issue to rest.

 

Sorry, the Zimmerman Case Still Has Nothing to Do With 'Stand Your Ground'

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Jul. 14, 2013 11:12 am
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The story that George Zimmerman told about his fight with Trayvon Martin, the one that yesterday persuaded a jury to acquit him of second-degree murder and manslaughter, never had anything to do with the right to stand your ground when attacked in a public place. Knocked down and pinned to the ground by Martin, Zimmerman would not have had an opportunity to escape as Martin hit him and knocked his head against the concrete. The duty to retreat therefore was irrelevant. The initial decision not to arrest Zimmerman, former Sanford, Florida, Police Chief Bill Lee said last week (as paraphrased by CNN),  "had nothing to do with Florida's controversial 'Stand Your Ground' law" because "from an investigative standpoint, it was purely a matter of self-defense." And as The New York Times explained last month, "Florida's Stand Your Ground law...has not been invoked in this case." The only context in which "stand your ground" was mentioned during the trial was as part of the prosecution's attempt to undermine Zimmerman's credibility by arguing that he lied when he told Fox News host Sean Hannity that he had not heard of the law until after the shooting. During his rebuttal on Friday, prosecutor John Guy declared, "This case is not about standing your ground." 

 

 

It won't put it to rest at all. Sammi and others are repeating a narrative completely divorced from the facts.

 

What the real outrage should be about is items like this that are happening all over America.

 

The real crime is that the system goes light or outright goes missing on criminal and violent actions by the Trayvon's of the world if they happen to be of a certain ethnicity because there are simply too many of them to be racially balanced in terms of statistics.

 

So while no one has to be perfect, when you get away with small crimes, you aren't afraid to go big because you have never gotten your hand slapped. You played with fire and never were burned. So what could have been a small time action and a turn to the straight and narrow instead becomes the ticket to big time criminality.

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I admit that I have not followed this case. (That despite the never ending stream of emails from CNN covering every aspect of it, seemingly including toilet breaks and sneezes.)

 

But, if Zimmerman hadn't been carrying a gun but rather an alarm that could alert others and also call the police (with whom he was already in communication, likely a car was relocated to the area - would have been where I once lived - and could have responded quickly), nobody would have died that night and the country wouldn't be so divided.  Was he trained in non-lethal self-defense?  Did he keep his distance?  If Martin was able to jump him, he obviously wasn't good at tailing or egressing.

 

The security system in that neighborhood could have been done in a very different way and lessened the chance of bodily harm to either of the two people involved. A little outlay of money could do it. 

 

How about outfitting the patrol with an audio recorder that is always recording (say, a 15-minute loop)?  A very, very easy thing to do.  Properly done, the audio could be scrambled and inaccessible except in an emergency.  A sort of "black box".  Police cars have cameras in the dash for a very good reason.  (But in many areas its not OK to video cops at work??!  Go figure.)

 

How about improving street lighting?  Installing cameras?  

 

If they are interested enough in security to hire a jerk with a gun, they should first exhaust non-lethal means.  


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I admit that I have not followed this case. (That despite the never ending stream of emails from CNN covering every aspect of it, seemingly including toilet breaks and sneezes.)

 

But, if Zimmerman hadn't been carrying a gun but rather an alarm that could alert others and also call the police (with whom he was already in communication, likely a car was relocated to the area - would have been where I once lived - and could have responded quickly), nobody would have died that night and the country wouldn't be so divided.  Was he trained in non-lethal self-defense?  Did he keep his distance?  If Martin was able to jump him, he obviously wasn't good at tailing or egressing.

 

This is a presumption. There is nothing to prove that Martin would have stopped beating Zimmerman before the level of death or severe disability. All of the injuries Zimmerman suffered were to his head. We don't know to what degree he would have been injured or perhaps even murdered himself because he shot the person beating him.

 

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The security system in that neighborhood could have been done in a very different way and lessened the chance of bodily harm to either of the two people involved. A little outlay of money could do it. 

 

How about outfitting the patrol with an audio recorder that is always recording (say, a 15-minute loop)?  A very, very easy thing to do.  Properly done, the audio could be scrambled and inaccessible except in an emergency.  A sort of "black box".  Police cars have cameras in the dash for a very good reason.  (But in many areas its not OK to video cops at work??!  Go figure.)

 

How about improving street lighting?  Installing cameras?  

 

If they are interested enough in security to hire a jerk with a gun, they should first exhaust non-lethal means.  

 

Again a rather large set of assumptions are here. I'll make some return assumptions and perhaps you'll care to address them. I suspect the scenario with these townhomes is very similar to what happened to me during a property downturn in the mid 90's. I lived in a building with a bunch of condos and about half the owners walked away due to being flipped on the properties. They were sold at foreclosure, some to people who just rented them out to whomever would promise them money, some time actual owners, some just sat empty for years. The amount of crime in the building rose tremendously. Almost the building was basically apartments by another name. Another large section was just vacant. There was absolutely no money to address anything because many of the new "landlords" either didn't pay their dues or paid them intermittently. The Home Owners Association couldn't do much about the non-payment because the owners were often absentee or perhaps not even known due to ownership turnover. The vacant units were clearly not bringing in any income to the HOA.

 

Zimmerman wasn't hired by the HOA. The HOA was running a volunteer neighborhood watch program to fight the crime in their neighborhood.

 

UPDATE: Did some searching and it turns out I was dead on about the townhome situations. No more assumptions needed.

 

Half of the properties filled with renters, 40 of them vacant, their value depreciated from $250k to around $100k, assumptions about just needing "a little money" become ridiculous under such scenarios.

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I admit that I have not followed this case. (That despite the never ending stream of emails from CNN covering every aspect of it, seemingly including toilet breaks and sneezes.)

But, if Zimmerman hadn't been carrying a gun but rather an alarm that could alert others and also call the police (with whom he was already in communication, likely a car was relocated to the area - would have been where I once lived - and could have responded quickly), nobody would have died that night and the country wouldn't be so divided.   

An alarm? 1biggrin.gif

An alarm is not going to help anybody when somebody is pounding your head into the ground.

The gun very likely saved his life that night. TM was a dumbass for resorting to violence and striking the first blow.
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An alarm is a joke you are correct. A gun is the answer to stop TM before he pounded Zimmerman's head to mush in the ground and GZ could have died from a skull fracture.TM was no innocent angel and was smoking pot a lot that night when this incident happened that night.
 

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I love how people try to make what would be best practice for a CPL holder into a criminal legal responsibility. A lot of dumb mistakes on both sides that ended in someone getting beat up and someone else getting shot. Had he not had a gun GZ might have stayed put in his car. Had TM just hurried up and got his as home when he was being followed we would never know who he was. Instead GZ got out of his car to follow and TM decided he was going to give a beating to some "creapy-ass cracker". 

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What I am having difficulty understanding is why, when a non-black man shoots and kills a black teen in self defense, there are cries of racism and there are protests and riots and death threats and 24-hour media coverage of the trial and prominent celebrities, politicians, and pundits all weighing in.

 

Yet when a black teen shoots a 13-month-old white baby in the face, killing him in a botched robbery attempt, we hear virtually nothing about it beyond an obligatory mention from the media. No cries of racism. No protests. No riots. No death threats. No comprehensive media coverage. No prominent celebrities, politicians, and pundits weighing in.

 

Four children were gunned down in Chicago - where guns are illegal - during the Zimmerman trial. Where is the sensationalist media coverage? Where are the show trials? Nonexistent.

 

Why is that?

 

The Zimmerman trial was nothing more than a contrived circus, exploited by the media and various other groups for financial gain or to further their agendas. It only serves to further polarize and divide, to stir up contention and ill will among us.

 

A boy with his whole life ahead of him died that night, and even though it was a legitimate act of self-defense - as confirmed by a jury of his peers - Zimmerman is going to have to live with the fact that he took another human life. And people are more concerned about the skin color of those involved than the terrible tragedy of the situation itself.

 

I am just disgusted by the whole spectacle.

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What I am having difficulty understanding is why, when a non-black man shoots and kills a black teen in self defense, there are cries of racism and there are protests and riots and death threats and 24-hour media coverage of the trial and prominent celebrities, politicians, and pundits all weighing in.

Yet when a black teen shoots a 13-month-old white baby in the face, killing him in a botched robbery attempt, we hear virtually nothing about it beyond an obligatory mention from the media. No cries of racism. No protests. No riots. No death threats. No comprehensive media coverage. No prominent celebrities, politicians, and pundits weighing in.

Four children were gunned down in Chicago - where guns are illegal - during the Zimmerman trial. Where is the sensationalist media coverage? Where are the show trials? Nonexistent.

Why is that?

And what about Dr. kermit Gosnell, the serial killer of countless black babies? The media pretty much ignored that whole story, and deemed it to be a non issue.

The morons and violent people who are protesting don't give a crap about any black lives, like they claim to. They're just looking for an excuse to behave violently, like the thugs that they are.
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What I am having difficulty understanding is why, when a non-black man shoots and kills a black teen in self defense, there are cries of racism and there are protests and riots and death threats and 24-hour media coverage of the trial and prominent celebrities, politicians, and pundits all weighing in.

 

Yet when a black teen shoots a 13-month-old white baby in the face, killing him in a botched robbery attempt, we hear virtually nothing about it beyond an obligatory mention from the media. No cries of racism. No protests. No riots. No death threats. No comprehensive media coverage. No prominent celebrities, politicians, and pundits weighing in.

 

Four children were gunned down in Chicago - where guns are illegal - during the Zimmerman trial. Where is the sensationalist media coverage? Where are the show trials? Nonexistent.

 

Why is that?

 

The Zimmerman trial was nothing more than a contrived circus, exploited by the media and various other groups for financial gain or to further their agendas. It only serves to further polarize and divide, to stir up contention and ill will among us.

 

A boy with his whole life ahead of him died that night, and even though it was a legitimate act of self-defense - as confirmed by a jury of his peers - Zimmerman is going to have to live with the fact that he took another human life. And people are more concerned about the skin color of those involved than the terrible tragedy of the situation itself.

 

I am just disgusted by the whole spectacle.

Yea there is a complete "forest through the trees" moment here. How many unsolved murders are there in Detroit? Who the **** cares RACISM! So many young black men laid to waste by other black men BUT is Zimmerman white or hispanic! Race baiters need to know!

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Here's racist Middle America, the ever present underbelly of and cowardice and bigotry. 73 year old singer Lester Chambers (of the Chambers Brothers) was attacked on stage for dedicating a song to the memory of slain Trayvon Martin. This all happened before the verdict had even been read (!).

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24VSGi8Y5VQ

and interview with Lester Chambers here:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhxIqf92N4s

 

This attacker undoubtedly couldn't handle the fact that others do not share her uncivilized views. Chambers was taken to hospital and will probably end up with a $10,000 bill for his afternoon's work....  

 

Predictably, the cops let the attacker go free afterwards.


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Here's racist Middle America, the ever present underbelly of and cowardice and bigotry. 73 year old singer attacked on stage for dedicating a song to the memory of slain Trayvon Martin...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24VSGi8Y5VQ

This piece of shit was undoubtedly rejoicing at the killer's acquittal, and couldn't handle the fact that others do not share her vilew, uncivilized views.

So sad, but so true. Also sad that some of the same self righteous hypocrites on this site are in the same camp. I would think people who appreciate Apple would have a little more equanimity, and intelligence. Instead they intellectualize around the issue to twist it to their bias.

The facts are simple: GZ had the gun, GZ had the responsibility, GZ profiled TM as a potential threat with no evidence, GZ instigated conflict by approaching TM, GZ was told to back off but didn't, GZ ended up killing TM, GZ is guilty, end of story.

I wouldn't put GZ away for life just for being a moron, he didn't premeditate a killing, but he should be punished as it was his responsibility to control the a situation where he had the upper hand, and which he insigated.

NB: F the racist a holes that try to make this about the liberal media (which I despise just as much as them). Because of you and your ilk I have to consider the consequences of getting serious with an awesome black girl I met.
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Here's racist Middle America, the ever present underbelly of and cowardice and bigotry. 73 year old singer Lester Chambers (of the Chambers Brothers) was attacked on stage for dedicating a song to the memory of slain Trayvon Martin. This all happened before the verdict had even been read (!).

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24VSGi8Y5VQ

and interview with Lester Chambers here:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhxIqf92N4s

 

This attacker undoubtedly couldn't handle the fact that others do not share her uncivilized views. Chambers was taken to hospital and will probably end up with a $10,000 bill for his afternoon's work....  

 

Predictably, the cops let the attacker go free afterwards.

 

 

Members of the audience subdued Potter after the incident and she was detained by the police. She was charged with suspicion of battery and released according to Lt. Ruben Pola of Hayward Police.

 
First painting an entire group with a broad brush because of the actions of one is STEREOTYPING and assigning negative and inferior traits to them based off who they are is RACIST.
 
She was charged. You are outright lying.
 
Want to be a part of the solution Sammi? Notice that the other "Middle America"s with their "ever present underbelly of and cowardice and bigotry" decided to SUBDUE her hold her for the police to deal with.
 
They didn't burn down buildings, loot stores, or stomp on people in the name of their version of justice.

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NB: F the racist a holes that try to make this about the liberal media (which I despise just as much as them). Because of you and your ilk I have to consider the consequences of getting serious with an awesome black girl I met.

So what if you met an "awesome black" girl? Zimmerman took a black girl to the prom, he tutored black kids, and there is absolutely no evidence at all that he was racist, quite the contrary.

And yes, the racist liberal media definitely is responsible for making this into a race issue, where there wasn't any to begin with.

The liberal race card is all played out. It got abused during Obama's campaigns these past years, and nobody gives a crap anymore. When a liberal cries racism from now on, the appropriate response is to laugh and ignore the dumbasses.
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Zimmerman is half white and Latino also.Big deal I dated Black girls years ago nothing ever happened to me at all.
 

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She was charged. You are outright lying.
 

 

Fair enough. The article I originally read mentioned that "she had been released" by the Hayward police. I would be curious as to what happens in this case, if anything.

 

 

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Want to be a part of the solution Sammi? Notice that the other "Middle America"s with their "ever present underbelly of and cowardice and bigotry" decided to SUBDUE her hold her for the police to deal with.
 
They didn't burn down buildings, loot stores, or stomp on people in the name of their version of justice.

 

Most unruly behavior, rioting and street brawls happen after professional sports events, and are more as a result of excessive alcohol consumption, as opposed to being racially motivated. 

 

Anyway, the people who subdued her were other band members and stage crew who knew Chambers. Not an extraordinary reaction.... most people would react to protect a friend/colleague from an assault. Watch the video.

 

What "solutions" are possible when a significant section of the public, including those in positions of authority, still regard black people as racially inferior and not deserving of the same civil rights, job opportunities, as others - and according to some, even deserve to be murdered in cold blood? 

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So what if you met an "awesome black" girl? Zimmerman took a black girl to the prom, he tutored black kids, and there is absolutely no evidence at all that he was racist, quite the contrary.

And yes, the racist liberal media definitely is responsible for making this into a race issue, where there wasn't any to begin with.

The liberal race card is all played out. It got abused during Obama's campaigns these past years, and nobody gives a crap anymore. When a liberal cries racism from now on, the appropriate response is to laugh and ignore the dumbasses.

 

It's amazing what personal contact can do to bury racism and hatred. Arch neoconservative, Zionist, Islamophobe and Arab hater Paul Wolfowitz, former Deputy Defense Sec. had an Arabic Muslim girlfriend (Shaha Riza) while he was head honcho of the World Bank. Really, I kid you not. It really happened!

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Fair enough. The article I originally read mentioned that "she had been released" by the Hayward police. I would be curious as to what happens in this case, if anything.




Most unruly behavior, rioting and street brawls happen after professional sports events, and are more as a result of excessive alcohol consumption, as opposed to being racially motivated. 

The violent protests and rioting currently happening has nothing to do with any sports events.

There have been numerous incidents of trayvon protesting thugs who have made racially motivated attacks against completely innocent people.

There was even one incident where a grandmother who was rushing a child to the hospital was attacked by trayvon protesting violent thugs. Too bad she wasnt carrying a gun. She should have run down the protesters with her car, legitimate self defense, if you ask me.
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She was charged. You are outright lying.
 

 

Fair enough. The article I originally read mentioned that "she had been released" by the Hayward police. I would be curious as to what happens in this case, if anything.

 

Wouldn't you be more curious to know what happens to the 8,000-9,000 black murders this year with 97% of the being black on black? I'd be a lot more curious about those. Aren't you more curious about why all those are not newsworthy?

 

Here's an even more curious point. If the Klan murdered 2,000 black men this year or even this decade, what sort of news would that generate? I only ask because 2,000 people will likely die from gangs this year and they aren't even hate groups yet according to the SPLC.

 

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Most unruly behavior, rioting and street brawls happen after professional sports events, and are more as a result of excessive alcohol consumption, as opposed to being racially motivated. 

 

Could I ask for a citation for this since it is used to dismiss a completely relevant point and also because your first point ended up being wrong.

 

 

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Anyway, the people who subdued her were other band members and stage crew who knew Chambers. Not an extraordinary reaction.... most people would react to protect a friend/colleague from an assault. Watch the video.

 

What would be the normal reaction by most people being jumped and having their head beat against the ground by someone on top of them?

 

 

 

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What "solutions" are possible when a significant section of the public, including those in positions of authority, still regard black people as racially inferior and not deserving of the same civil rights, job opportunities, as others - and according to some, even deserve to be murdered in cold blood? 

 

 

So the four black jurors who did not declare those officers guilty apparently regard themselves as racialy inferior and not deserving of the same civil rights, job opportunities, etc as others?

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It's amazing to me that even long-term members here are arguing that Stand Your Ground was applicable.  It was not a defense in the trial, period.  As for the verdict, reasonable doubt was everywhere.  

 

The prosecution of Zimmerman was, in fact, "disgraceful" as his attorney (Don West) claims.  That doesn't mean he was totally in the right, because he certainly wasn't.  But there is no way he should have been charged with Murder 2 or even Manslaughter.  Moreover, the method by which he was charged (no Grand Jury) was highly unusual and certainly seemed to be politically motivated.  The State Attorney, Angela Corey, is apparently cutthroat and has questionable ethics.  

 

Beyond the tragic death of Martin, I am most troubled by the behavior of the media and of the race-baiting, mongering "civil rights leaders."  NBC is going to be relentlessly pursued for their inexcusable editing of the 911 tape.  I would expect slander/libel charges and a large settlement or verdict.  Arguably, NBC is responsible for Zimmerman even being charged.  Prior to the national media attention the case received, the police had determined Zimmerman most likely acted in self-defense.  Once the race angle was invented, politics took over.  The case was taken out of the hands of local authorities for no reason other than political pressure.   Worse still is the divisive, dishonest, self-serving and ignorant behavior of Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, et al.  I include in this the statements of both Eric Holder, as well as the President himself:  

 

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It's amazing to me that even long-term members here are arguing that Stand Your Ground was applicable.  It was not a defense in the trial, period.  As for the verdict, reasonable doubt was everywhere.  

 

The prosecution of Zimmerman was, in fact, "disgraceful" as his attorney (Don West) claims.  That doesn't mean he was totally in the right, because he certainly wasn't.  But there is no way he should have been charged with Murder 2 or even Manslaughter.  Moreover, the method by which he was charged (no Grand Jury) was highly unusual and certainly seemed to be politically motivated.  The State Attorney, Angela Corey, is apparently cutthroat and has questionable ethics.  

 

Beyond the tragic death of Martin, I am most troubled by the behavior of the media and of the race-baiting, mongering "civil rights leaders."  NBC is going to be relentlessly pursued for their inexcusable editing of the 911 tape.  I would expect slander/libel charges and a large settlement or verdict.  Arguably, NBC is responsible for Zimmerman even being charged.  Prior to the national media attention the case received, the police had determined Zimmerman most likely acted in self-defense.  Once the race angle was invented, politics took over.  The case was taken out of the hands of local authorities for no reason other than political pressure.   Worse still is the divisive, dishonest, self-serving and ignorant behavior of Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, et al.  I include in this the statements of both Eric Holder, as well as the President himself:  

 

Obama Speaks Out

 

So, a thought experiment: How would people react if the outcome of this case had been inverted - given the same circumstances (dark, rainy night, no first hand close witnesses etc) - ie Zimmerman had been killed, and Martin was still alive?

 

"SECURITY GUARD GUNNED DOWN AT WORK" 

would scream the headlines in the media. Public outrage, people baying for the death penalty for the thug who murdered a man doing his job. Only one possible verdict given people's inbuilt and inherited biases: Guilty, guilty and more guilty, of first degree murder most likely. I know it, you know it, and we all know it.

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So, a thought experiment: How would people react if the outcome of this case had been inverted - given the same circumstances (dark, rainy night, no first hand close witnesses etc) - ie Zimmerman had been killed, and Martin was still alive?

 

"SECURITY GUARD GUNNED DOWN AT WORK" 

would scream the headlines in the media. Public outrage, people baying for the death penalty for the thug who murdered a man doing his job. Only one possible verdict given people's inbuilt and inherited biases: Guilty, guilty and more guilty, of first degree murder most likely. I know it, you know it, and we all know it.

 

 

No no. All us white folks are all hopelessly racist. Collective guilt for the sins of others. 

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No no. All us white folks are all hopelessly racist. Collective guilt for the sins of others. 

Not me. I don't really give a crap about slavery at all, it had nothing to do with me, and there is absolutely zero guilt here. I don't dwell on what happened 150 or whatever years ago.

I also wouldn't be surprised if a significant percentage of the race baiters today would actually be in favor of slavery today, putting white people in chains, if they were able to and had the power to do so. Zimmerman would have to be put in chains, since he's a white- hispanic, and so would Obama, since he's a white-black.
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Not me. I don't really give a crap about slavery at all, it had nothing to do with me, and there is absolutely zero guilt here. I don't dwell on what happened 150 or whatever years ago.

I also wouldn't be surprised if a significant percentage of the race baiters today would actually be in favor of slavery today, putting white people in chains, if they were able to and had the power to do so. Zimmerman would have to be put in chains, since he's a white- hispanic, and so would Obama, since he's a white-black.

 

The glaring standout in all these cases remains that of OJ Simpson of course. The evidence against him, of at least playing a part in that double murder (from anything from accessory before/after the fact to actually doing the killing) was there. (In later years, an anomaly in the evidence cast some doubt). But the difference there, is that OJ Simpson (who is black) was a wealthy man. His financial standing allowed him to buy the verdict in the criminal case, via the "Dream Team" of lawyers. A regular person, of ordinary means regardless of race, could not afford such. People of little financial worth end up with a public defender - many of whom do the barest minimum, and many are utterly incompetent.

 

Of course - after that temporary and ignominious setback - the system got its own back, and prevailed in OJ's civil case, in which the verdict found him guilty of violating the civil rights of his alleged victims. OJ was pretty much stripped of everything he owned. The fucked-up part of that case, was that he was tried twice for the same offense.

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The glaring standout in all these cases remains that of OJ Simpson of course. The evidence against him, of at least playing a part in that double murder (from anything from accessory before/after the fact to actually doing the killing) was there. (In later years, an anomaly in the evidence cast some doubt). But the difference there, is that OJ Simpson (who is black) was a wealthy man. His financial standing allowed him to buy the verdict in the criminal case, via the "Dream Team" of lawyers. A regular person, of ordinary means regardless of race, could not afford such. People of little financial worth end up with a public defender - many of whom do the barest minimum, and many are utterly incompetent.

Of course - after that temporary and ignominious setback - the system got its own back, and prevailed in OJ's civil case, in which the verdict found him guilty of violating the civil rights of his alleged victims. OJ was pretty much stripped of everything he owned. The fucked-up part of that case, was that he was tried twice for the same offense.

Zimmerman will likely face a similar suit. The problem is the evidence is really weak despite the reduced burden of proof (preponderance of evidence vs. reasonable doubt). He also is going to sue the living shit out of NBC, and probably get a large settlement.
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Zimmerman was told by the dispatcher to stay in his car.

 

He didn't.

 

He is 100% responsible for everything that happened after he got out of the car.

 

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Some have suggested Martin was no angel.  OK.  But he had never been accused of DV against his girlfriend or assaulting a police officer, among other problems.  Zimmerman has.  In short, Zimmerman has issues.  Serious ones.

 

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Even the Maverick™ said Stand Your Ground Laws need to be reviewed.

 

Otherwise, people will have a hard time doing ANYTHING without worrying they will get shot.

 

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Zimmerman was told by the dispatcher to stay in his car.

 

This is simply false. Further, even if it was true, the police dispatcher had no legal authority to give Zimmerman such an order, nor did Zimmerman have and legal obligation to obey such an order.

 

 

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He is 100% responsible for everything that happened after he got out of the car.

 

This is a rather odd morality here. George Zimmerman did nothing illegal. Nothing at all. Trayvon Martin, however, deliberately and intentionally and violently attacked George Zimmerman and threatened to kill him. Each of these acts was illegal. George Zimmerman acted entirely in self-defense, at least according to the facts any of us know at this time.

 

 

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Some have suggested Martin was no angel.  OK.  But he had never been accused of DV against his girlfriend or assaulting a police officer, among other problems.

 

Those facts are irrelevant to this particular event.

 

 

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In short, Zimmerman has issues.  Serious ones.

 

This is pure (apparently biased) conjecture on your part.

 

 

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Even the Maverick™ said Stand Your Ground Laws need to be reviewed.

 

Two things are entirely irrelevant here: a) the "stand your ground" laws, and b) what the "Maverick" (whoever that is) has to say.

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