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Rumor: Apple to launch redesigned iPad mini this year, Retina model in 2014

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Apple's second-generation iPad mini will launch later this year with a thinner and lighter design, while a model toting a high-resolution Retina display may not debut until 2014, if a new rumor is to be believed.

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The claims were published on Monday by DigiTimes, a tech industry publication notorious for being the source of numerous questionable Apple-related rumors. Its latest details, sourced as usual to unnamed people in Apple's supply chain, suggest a new iPad mini with a thinner and lighter design will launch in the second half of 2013.

That model, though, would be something of a minor refresh, the report said, while a major upgrade with a 2,048-by-1,536-pixel Retina display could come later. Supply chain sources allegedly indicated that the Retina iPad mini isn't likely to go into production until late this year, which would set it on track for a 2014 debut.

In addition, the report said that the Retina model would see yet another redesign, this time with "an almost bezel-free look."

The details come just a few days after a separate report from the Far East also claimed that Apple's iPad mini may not gain a high-resolution Retina display until early 2014. Various reports have indicated that Apple had hoped to launch a Retina display on its 7.9-inch iPad this fall, but that technical issues may prevent the company from doing so.

Monday's report also included allegedly details on a fifth-generation full-size iPad, suggesting the device will use "thin-film touch screen technology" to reduce its weight by up to 30 percent. The 9.7-inch iPad is also expected to have a thinner bezel design, and shipments are expected to reach between 2 million and 3 million units in August and September.

Well-connected analyst Ming-Chi Kuo of KGI Securities revealed back in April that Apple's fifth-generation iPad will be 25 percent lighter and 15 percent thinner than its predecessor. Subsequent parts and cases have supported expectations that the device will feature a design similar to the iPad mini.
post #2 of 31
"Its latest details, sourced as usual to unnamed people in Apple's supply chain, suggest a new iPad mini with a thinner and lighter design will launch in the second half of 2013."

Well it's hard to imagine anything thinner and lighter than iPad mini theese days. (maybe an iPod touch but that isn't a tablet anyway)
post #3 of 31
The rumor machine certainly isn't taking any chances - offering up just about every possible scenario about the next ipad and ipad mini. Who couldn't, at this point, point to a thinner and lighter (ipad) and higher res ipad mini? Going further and suggesting a thinner and lighter mini is filling in the blanks that I'm not sure even exist, because who out there really thinks the mini is too thick or too heavy? If Apple is working towards a hi-res ipad mini, which I'm sure they are, going thinner at this point would only make sense if the new hi-res screen allowed for a thinner profile and smaller battery. If not, it would be stupid to go thinner using the existing screen, only to have to go thicker with a hi-res screen version.

I understand Apple did just that going from the ipad 2 to 3, but I doubt they'd do that again.

My prediction is for a new full size ipad designed like the mini to arrive this fall as well as a refreshed mini with upgraded internals but no retina display. Next year a retina version mini and upgraded internals full sized ipad.
post #4 of 31

Fine by me.  I've been fooled into paying for retina once already.  It's a minor improvement at best.  

 

I don't believe the "lighter & thinner" part, but if true it would be more welcome than retina. 

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I'm not sure about a 'bezel-free' iPad - the bezel is useful - stops one's thumbs from making accidental touch inputs...

post #6 of 31
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Originally Posted by CogitoDexter View Post

I'm not sure about a 'bezel-free' iPad - the bezel is useful - stops one's thumbs from making accidental touch inputs...

Um, take a look at the iPad mini.

Its not without bezel. Its also not an unnecessary extra 17 mm in width, as the current iPad is.

No one said anything about Bezel-free. Take a look a realistic concept: http://************/2013/01/16/what-happens-when-ipad-minis-thin-bezel-design-is-applied-to-the-10-inch-ipad-mockups/
post #7 of 31
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Originally Posted by jmgregory1 View Post

The rumor machine certainly isn't taking any chances - offering up just about every possible scenario about the next ipad and ipad mini. Who couldn't, at this point, point to a thinner and lighter (ipad) and higher res ipad mini? Going further and suggesting a thinner and lighter mini is filling in the blanks that I'm not sure even exist, because who out there really thinks the mini is too thick or too heavy? If Apple is working towards a hi-res ipad mini, which I'm sure they are, going thinner at this point would only make sense if the new hi-res screen allowed for a thinner profile and smaller battery. If not, it would be stupid to go thinner using the existing screen, only to have to go thicker with a hi-res screen version.

I understand Apple did just that going from the ipad 2 to 3, but I doubt they'd do that again.

My prediction is for a new full size ipad designed like the mini to arrive this fall as well as a refreshed mini with upgraded internals but no retina display. Next year a retina version mini and upgraded internals full sized ipad.

Agreed. Not sure the benefit of slimmer and lighter right now for the Mini.

Maybe we'll see a price drop for the current model and a new A6 model? That would probably help them keep sales momentum even without Retina this time around.

But who knows Apple may surprise.
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Seems a bit odd that we'd get a non retina mini this fall and then a retina version next spring. Unless Apple is now moving to 6 month product cycles? IF Apple can't produce a retina mini this year they're going to have to do something to keep people buying as rumors are the new Nexus 7 and Kindle Fire's are going to have even better screens. Not sure Apple can go two years with the mini being more expensive and having an inferior display. I don't really see the form factor changing so will even thinner and lighter be enough?
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Again, you prove to be the worst poster on this entire site. Your contributions are atrocious and nothing but bait.

 

My post was a simple, honest opinion based on my experience with the products and my preferences.  

 

Your post was an off topic, personal attack empty of all other content.  

 

So who's the worst poster?  Should I report you for the personal attack?  

post #11 of 31
Uh huh, I see the plot: make a thinner, lighter iPad min and when you do have a Retina one, it will (necessarily) be thicker but only as much as the first gen iPad mini so the weight gain will be minimal. You read it here first! Remember this post! REMEMBER!
post #12 of 31

I never really understood this bezel thing. Get rid of the bezel and ignore the touch commands through the software.

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Originally Posted by blackbook View Post

Agreed. Not sure the benefit of slimmer and lighter right now for the Mini.

Maybe we'll see a price drop for the current model and a new A6 model? That would probably help them keep sales momentum even without Retina this time around.

But who knows Apple may surprise.
Someone on 9to5Mac posted that even if Apple has a retina mini ready to go they won't release it along side a redesigned 5th gen iPad, claiming it would be stupid from a business standpoint to do so. But if Apple is able to produce a thinner and lighter full size iPad would a retina mini really cannibalize the full size iPad that much? And even if it did, wouldn't Apple rather have cannibalization than consumers going elsewhere?
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I never really understood this bezel thing. Get rid of the bezel and ignore the touch commands through the software.

 

Well you need some bezel if only for the home button and the camera and so forth.  I think the bezel could easily be shrunk by about half all round though.  

 

My understanding is that the bezel size has to do with Apple "training" users in the new technology.  For instance if the iPad had debuted with what will soon be the new standard of narrow side bezels, a lot of folks would fumble with it and endless news reports would have been written about this "hard to use" new touch technology and how frustrating it was for users.  Whereas now, a few years later, everyone is already trained on how to use it and they can slowly reduce the bezel in size.  

 

I think we will see it get even smaller over time, but I don't think it's possible to get rid of it entirely. 

 

This will likely never happen, but my personal ideal bezel size would be like the current mini, but with a 50-60% reduction on the side bezel width, the same on the top, and a 80-100% *increase* on the bottom bezel.   I don't think they will ever go asymmetrical like that given the whole "rotate the device" thing though.  1frown.gif

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Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post

Someone on 9to5Mac posted that even if Apple has a retina mini ready to go they won't release it along side a redesigned 5th gen iPad, claiming it would be stupid from a business standpoint to do so. But if Apple is able to produce a thinner and lighter full size iPad would a retina mini really cannibalize the full size iPad that much? And even if it did, wouldn't Apple rather have cannibalization than consumers going elsewhere?

Where else are they going to go?

People are not buying the iPad because it does/does not have a Retina display.
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Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post


Someone on 9to5Mac posted that even if Apple has a retina mini ready to go they won't release it along side a redesigned 5th gen iPad, claiming it would be stupid from a business standpoint to do so. But if Apple is able to produce a thinner and lighter full size iPad would a retina mini really cannibalize the full size iPad that much? And even if it did, wouldn't Apple rather have cannibalization than consumers going elsewhere?

 

Apple doesn't break out the figures, but I have read a lot of reports to the effect that it's believed the iPad mini already significantly cannibalises the regular size iPad even though the full size is retina and the mini currently is not.  I've even heard claims that the mini outsells the regular iPad already, although I don't know where they get the figures from. 

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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

My post was a simple, honest opinion based on my experience with the products and my preferences.  

Your post was an off topic, personal attack empty of all other content.  

So who's the worst poster?  Should I report you for the personal attack?  

You. You are the worst poster. You intentionally bait arguments by making either A) pointless statements that argue a nonsensical angle, i.e.: your masterpiece about Maps being useless because it is not all about people without cars, or B) you make statements like being 'fooled into buying Retina products, because they're a marginal difference at best'.

That is what is called "Bait" in the forum world. It is not an opinion, it is a bunch of nonsense that is not even discussion worthy. But you tempt argument by posting it anyway.
post #18 of 31
I want an iPad mini with retina. In fact, I want 2. If 2013 doesn't have the mini with retina, I will probably buy the iPad 5 and a Nexus 7 (HD) for my kids/school. Or maybe 3 Nexi 7 (hd). But I prefer iPad.
post #19 of 31
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

Fine by me.  I've been fooled into paying for retina once already.  It's a minor improvement at best.  

I guess that depends on the person. Speaking for myself, I have pretty much given away or now leave unused ALL my non-retina Apple products -- including the iPad Mini.

 

I simply can't stand the sight of the non-retina screens anymore.

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You. You are the worst poster. You intentionally bait arguments by making either A) pointless statements that argue a nonsensical angle, i.e.: your masterpiece about Maps being useless because it is not all about people without cars, or B) you make statements like being 'fooled into buying Retina products, because they're a marginal difference at best'.

That is what is called "Bait" in the forum world. It is not an opinion, it is a bunch of nonsense that is not even discussion worthy. But you tempt argument by posting it anyway.

 

Nah, I think you win for "bad poster."  

 

The maps argument I made isn't "nonsensical" it's perfectly rational to the *majority* of folks in the world that don't use or have cars.  The USA is "all about the car" but other countries are simply not.  World-wide, the majority of users are not going to necessarily have a car.  Again, it's my opinion, based on my situation and the product Apple is selling.  It's not some constructed thing that I make to "bait" people.  

 

Similarly, having excellent eyesight and having owned and used every iOS product that ever existed (sans the original iPhone which wasn't available), on a daily basis, my opinion is that retina isn't good but not worth the giant hullaballoo that generally accompanies it.  

 

For instance I use the iPad as my main computer, day in and day out, and I use it for real work.  (I'm currently writing three full-length novels and one non-fiction piece, each roughly 100,000 words in length, as well as using it to create, preview and proof artwork for the non-fiction piece as well as a series of other projects.)  I started these projects (because they are all multi-year projects) on the original iPad, and then moved to each new iPad in succession including the iPad 3 retina, and the iPad mini.  (thus my occasional rants about Pages for iOS and how it's impossible to do real artwork on the iPad)

 

I've used the non-retina, moved to retina, and them moved back again when I started using the mini.  It's my considered informed opinion that the difference is no big deal.  

 

In my day job, I work at a large Institution where we provision and deploy hundreds of iPads.  Besides setting them up, I demonstrate the software on them, give purchasing advice and troubleshoot networking and other software issues.  I sometimes even get involved in repair of iOS devices but that's generally handled by another department and I only look in on that for fun.  

 

I think this more than qualifies me to give an opinion on the various attributes or aspects of the iOS device lineup.  Again, this is an informed opinion, but it's still my personal opinion.  How can that ever be wrong?  

 

You're just assuming that because my opinion isn't mainstream, that I must be making it up or something, which is dumb to say the least.  

 

You've been on my block list twice before and I let you off when you managed to say something intelligent and not hateful, but I guess I was wrong.  

 

Back you go!  1smile.gif

post #21 of 31
I'm sorry, who the **** wants a thinner iPad mini? No, I mean seriously? I use a case on mine because I feel it's TOO thin to handle comfortably, and is already light as a feather. Leave it the same damn thickness so its easier to throw in the retina components.
post #22 of 31
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Originally Posted by CogitoDexter View Post

I'm not sure about a 'bezel-free' iPad - the bezel is useful - stops one's thumbs from making accidental touch inputs...

 

Dissing Digitimes's record is a time-honored custom here, but if they're just speculating from whatever scraps, I'm sure, e.g., they've also watched Sharp's IGZO promo vid and read about Apple's newish patent to avoid unintentional inputs that's applicable to thin bezel or bezel-less devices...

One never knows, tho'....

 

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Originally Posted by bdkennedy1 View Post

I never really understood this bezel thing. Get rid of the bezel and ignore the touch commands through the software.

 

Sounds like Apple's long-term plan.

 

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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

 

Well you need some bezel if only for the home button and the camera and so forth.  I think the bezel could easily be shrunk by about half all round though.  

 

My understanding is that the bezel size has to do with Apple "training" users in the new technology.  For instance if the iPad had debuted with what will soon be the new standard of narrow side bezels, a lot of folks would fumble with it and endless news reports would have been written about this "hard to use" new touch technology and how frustrating it was for users.  Whereas now, a few years later, everyone is already trained on how to use it and they can slowly reduce the bezel in size.  

 

I think we will see it get even smaller over time, but I don't think it's possible to get rid of it entirely. 

 

This will likely never happen, but my personal ideal bezel size would be like the current mini, but with a 50-60% reduction on the side bezel width, the same on the top, and a 80-100% *increase* on the bottom bezel.   I don't think they will ever go asymmetrical like that given the whole "rotate the device" thing though.  1frown.gif

 

Apple evolves us so we can evolve Apple.  Cool.  And with you on your stalker, btw....  ....and your opinion on the over-hyping of retina.  Very nice, however, my "mind's eyes" adapt pretty much to whatever screen I'm on, focusing on taking in the info in front of me, not pining for something that isn't....  ...from my 10 year old 12" iBook to a 4K demo.....

...and so I've love to see an iPad of any reasonable rez with say, an 18 hour battery life.....

An iPhone, a Leatherman and thou...  ...life is complete.

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An iPhone, a Leatherman and thou...  ...life is complete.

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post #23 of 31
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

Well you need some bezel if only for the home button and the camera and so forth.  I think the bezel could easily be shrunk by about half all round though.  

My understanding is that the bezel size has to do with Apple "training" users in the new technology.  For instance if the iPad had debuted with what will soon be the new standard of narrow side bezels, a lot of folks would fumble with it and endless news reports would have been written about this "hard to use" new touch technology and how frustrating it was for users.  Whereas now, a few years later, everyone is already trained on how to use it and they can slowly reduce the bezel in size.  

I think we will see it get even smaller over time, but I don't think it's possible to get rid of it entirely. 

This will likely never happen, but my personal ideal bezel size would be like the current mini, but with a 50-60% reduction on the side bezel width, the same on the top, and a 80-100% *increase* on the bottom bezel.   I don't think they will ever go asymmetrical like that given the whole "rotate the device" thing though.  1frown.gif

What you're describing sounds like a Newton.
post #24 of 31

I'm ready to pull the trigger on an iPad Mini but could wait till the fall for a newer, thinner one. I'll also upgrade my 4s to a 5s (white cuz it matches iOS7 so nicely!) 

 

Retina on the iPad Mini is not that big a deal to me. It's wonderful on the iPhone. But I'd rather have the thinnest lightest iPad Mini Apple can make.

 

Purchases in 2013: New iPhone 5s, 11" MBA (for work), iPad Mini, ATV, and a TimeCapsule. New iWork suite.

 

Purchases in 2014: Hopefully a full size AppleTV.

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Is that a 9to5 or a macrumors link?

Let me check: macrumors.com

Looks like 9to5mac, then. See:

9to5mac.c
9to5mac.co
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There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already f*ed.

 

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post #26 of 31
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Fine by me.  I've been fooled into paying for retina once already.  It's a minor improvement at best.  

http://www.lasik.com/

post #27 of 31
Honestly the mini was necessary but it's not an optimal business move for Apple to bring out it out too soon or it will tank sales of the iPad 5.

The focus on the weight and bezels is to woo back customers like John Gruber who downgraded to the mini because these were more important than resolution. It would be better not to give the mini the primary feature that makes people like me still opt for a full size iPad, at least not until the iPad 5 has had a chance to reinforce itself as as the premium iPad experience. If they launch at the same time everyone will just move to the retina mini (which is better than them moving to android but still not ideal).

If we don't see a refresh to the mini in September I'd predict retina in Early 2014, if we do see an bump now, then no retina until September 2014.
post #28 of 31
Even though the non-retina screen on the mini makes me cringe a bit (I have iPad 3), I can see why it's so popular. It's a very sexy, light piece of hardware, and I would not be at all surprised to learn it's outselling it's older sibling. Which leads me to believe the mini will get sexier (thinner) and lighter, and maybe $29 cheaper, while retaining a non retina display to upsell the iPad 5 which will get similar treatment.

@ Gazoobee

I think what the other poster is getting at is that for a while your posts were incessantly, and almost without exception, negative. But IMHO I've felt your posts have gotten a lot better. You've done a good job defending your positions oftentimes, and I usually appreciate your perspective. One thing I still don't get is the nitpicking at DED articles. Your mutual back and forth with him aside, I don't think it's a big deal to have a few errors, or for him to vociferously defend what are very insightful and well researched articles. I enjoy Corrections almost as much as the article. Some of those errors are pretty funny though, makes me think they might be deliberate. Cheers.

   

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post #29 of 31
Apple just knows how to milk out profit margins! iPad5 has much higher profit margin then it brother iPad Mini. Apple will release the iPad5 in September; do a refresh on the iPad Mini 2 without Retina and wait till all the iPad5 sales dry up and then the iPad Mini Retina in 2nd Quarter 2014!
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Apple just knows how to milk out profit margins! iPad5 has much higher profit margin then it brother iPad Mini. Apple will release the iPad5 in September; do a refresh on the iPad Mini 2 without Retina and wait till all the iPad5 sales dry up and then the iPad Mini Retina in 2nd Quarter 2014!

Really, Harry.
Im sure there's a stroke of genius in you somewhere.
Yet to be revealed, however.
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Apple just knows how to milk out profit margins! iPad5 has much higher profit margin then it brother iPad Mini. Apple will release the iPad5 in September; do a refresh on the iPad Mini 2 without Retina and wait till all the iPad5 sales dry up and then the iPad Mini Retina in 2nd Quarter 2014!

And trolls just know how to say stupid crap. Your point?

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There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already f*ed.

 

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There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already f*ed.

 

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