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Two rumors regarding Apple's supply chain activities surfaced on Wednesday, one claiming the company has recently stepped up IC orders, while another has the company in talks with LG over "Ultra HDTV" screens.

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Citing unnamed sources, the sometimes reliable Taiwanese publication DigiTimes reports Apple's microchip suppliers are seeing an increase in orders, suggesting a new product launch is in the offing.

According to the publication, Apple's chip orders for the third quarter are almost double that from quarter two. Further, sources claim IC shipments will grow "significantly" throughout the second half of 2013 to account for as much as 70 percent of the company's total orders for the year.

While the purported spike in chip orders does not necessarily equate to the debut of new products, the growth comes after a slow period that saw the tech giant reduce parts orders from the fourth quarter of 2012 to the first quarter of 2013, sources said. For example, these people claim iPhone component orders fall to 20 million units per quarter during the six-month interval. The publication did not specify which components or suppliers were affected.

With the much-rumored launch of the so-called "iPhone 5S," "iPhone Lite," and a new iPad, IC shipments are predicted to hit 40 million units for the third quarter.

In a separate report, the hit-or-miss publication said a rumor making the rounds in Asia has Apple in talks with South Korea's LG Display over the purchase of 55- and 65-inch "Ultra HDTV" panels. Sharp is also reportedly being considered as a supplier for the high-resolution displays.

While it is unknown what product Apple is planning for the panels, the project remains in the testing phase, meaning no deals have been made.

Televisions using these screens, sometimes referred to as "4K" displays, are just now hitting the consumer market from major industry players Samsung, Sony, and Sharp.
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The ARM chip is used in every device that needs a CPU except the Mac.
With different iPhone, iPad, iPods, AppleTV models on the way, it makes sense.

If they can come up with a reasonably priced 4K TV set they would own the Market.
It would essentially be a large 4K screen with an AppleTV integrated. No UHF and VHF antennas needed. It's like an extra large iOS/ARM based iMac. 1cool.gif
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No content yet for 4K screen.

However it can be the new Thunderbolt Display. You would need it for your new mac pro in fall. So you can keep your desk "Apple Only".
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

While it is unknown what product Apple is planning for the panels, the project remains in the testing phase, meaning no deals have been made.

 

30 inch 4K Thunderbolt Displays for the new Mac Pro?

In a convenient three-pack?

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Except the article says 55 to 65 inches. So, unfortunately, no 30" 4K cinema display...
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Wait. Hold up.

"the sometimes reliable Taiwanese publication DigiTimes"

Really? If "sometimes" now means "almost never, ever" then I agree. Otherwise ...
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Hasn't every movie shot in the last few years been 4K? Doesn't Apple have the largest online movie store?
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No content yet for 4K screen.

However it can be the new Thunderbolt Display. You would need it for your new mac pro in fall. So you can keep your desk "Apple Only".
 

 

Yeah, 4k content is a while off.  And I'm not sure what the real benefit would be for the "average" viewer.  I guess sports would be really cool.

 

But as has been said many times, it's interesting that 4k was mentioned more than once in relation to the Pro, so I assume *something* is happening.

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Hasn't every movie shot in the last few years been 4K? Doesn't Apple have the largest online movie store?

 

Not even close.

 

Heck, "Black Swan" was shot on 16mm.  

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The ARM chip is used in every device that needs a CPU except the Mac.
With different iPhone, iPad, iPods, AppleTV models on the way, it makes sense.

If they can come up with a reasonably priced 4K TV set they would own the Market.
It would essentially be a large 4K screen with an AppleTV integrated. No UHF and VHF antennas needed. It's like an extra large iOS/ARM based iMac. 1cool.gif

Apple as a middle man would just raise the cost needlessly, not to mention LCD/LED displays already offer much worse price/performance than a plasma display from Panasonic (in some cases Samsung). [42"~65"]

 

Apple charges $1000 for their 27" display that uses the same LG panel as a $390 monoprice display. Just imagine how much an Apple TV would be marked up.

 

Until OLED becomes a viable option, I'll stick to my PRO-111FD Elite Kuro as my primary display.

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The ARM chip is used in every device that needs a CPU except the Mac.
With different iPhone, iPad, iPods, AppleTV models on the way, it makes sense.

If they can come up with a reasonably priced 4K TV set they would own the Market.
It would essentially be a large 4K screen with an AppleTV integrated. No UHF and VHF antennas needed. It's like an extra large iOS/ARM based iMac. 1cool.gif

Without an antenna it would be a big fail. In fact one big issue with Apples current displays is the lack of alternative inputs.
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Wait. Hold up.

"the sometimes reliable Taiwanese publication DigiTimes"

Really? If "sometimes" now means "almost never, ever" then I agree. Otherwise ...

You really need to read it on a regular basis to grasp the publication. Often what is quoted as fact by The rumor mills in the USA is not how it is presented at DigiTimes.
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The ARM chip is used in every device that needs a CPU except the Mac.
With different iPhone, iPad, iPods, AppleTV models on the way, it makes sense.

If they can come up with a reasonably priced 4K TV set they would own the Market.
It would essentially be a large 4K screen with an AppleTV integrated. No UHF and VHF antennas needed. It's like an extra large iOS/ARM based iMac. 1cool.gif

It's probably for the new Mac Pro since it will drive 3 of them right out of the box.  That's my guess.


Will they eventually make a 4K TV?  Maybe next year.  Cross them fingers.

 

 

I'm interested in what size 4K panels they are looking at.  

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Compression is already aweful on regular HD.

What will compression be doing to 4K content?
 

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Compression is already aweful on regular HD.
What will compression be doing to 4K content?

 
I think fiber optic to home will be mandatory for 4k...
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Compression is already aweful on regular HD.

What will compression be doing to 4K content?
 

I think they'll be using H.265 which is supposed to be better than H.264, but I haven't seen any comparisons on a 4K screen.


4K is still a ways away for being mainstream.   Look how long it's taking for people to get into 1080p.  I think Apple has a big decision ahead of them on whether to come out with 1080p TVs or 4K TVs.    I personally think they'll do 4K for the MacPro crowd first and come out with 1080p TVs and then get into 4K TVs.  Remember, there isn't much 4K content and a 55inch 4K TV is still rather expensive.

 

Sony is supposed to start releasing 4K content next year, but they only have so many titles they will release each month and there aren't that many people with 4K TVs.   it's still in the beginning stages.

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I think fiber optic to home will be mandatory for 4k...

When they put FIber, it gets converted to coax before it goes inside the house.    It's a LOT more than that. The whole food chain from production to the user has to be upgraded.


I think it's going to be more for BluRay players and then digital download.  4K over cable networks?  Not likely for a while.

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Getting tired of artist's concepts being given more status than that. The "render" of an iPhone Lite is nothing of the sort.
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30 inch 4K Thunderbolt Displays for the new Mac Pro?

In a convenient three-pack?

hahaha. Yeah, I can see it now.  3 big monitors connected to something that's about the size of a hotel ice bucket.

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No 4K content?
Hint: iTunes store.

Every single movie on film is 4K. Every single movie that have been scanned for digital market since early 2000 is scanned in 4K.

Delivery of 4K content is another thing. Most people don't have 100Mbit and even with H265 codec 4K movies will be 25-50 gig.
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When they put FIber, it gets converted to coax before it goes inside the house.

No it isn't unless your internet provider just uses fiber as it's backbone. Our house has a straight fiber optic cable that runs directly from the junction box to a D-Link 3780 router.

No coaxial nonsense going on here.
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No it isn't unless your internet provider just uses fiber as it's backbone. Our house has a straight fiber optic cable that runs directly from the junction box to a D-Link 3780 router.

No coaxial nonsense going on here.

They are converting it to Cat 5.  I was one of the first customers for FIber in the US.  They only rolled it out in two cities at first. They had a box outside of the house that converted it to coax for the TV and Cat 5 for my internet connection that actually ran inside the house.


Obviously, everyone does their own little variation upon the theme, but they don't run Fiber directly to the TV or computer.   They usually run several different services like internet, cable TV and voice but they just run fiber to the house and then it gets converted to other forms for TV, computer and voice.


They have to kick up the speeds to the house to be able to handle transmission of 4K video AND internet AND voice.  They need to implement a LOT of equipment along the food chain.  They have to get those expensive Cisco Routers which do hundreds of Tbps and they are NOT cheap.

 

How many are actually transmitting 1080p TV currently?  Obviously some countries have their act together more than others.

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No it isn't unless your internet provider just uses fiber as it's backbone. Our house has a straight fiber optic cable that runs directly from the junction box to a D-Link 3780 router.

No coaxial nonsense going on here.

A lot of people STILL don't have FIber going to the house and they have to use a dish, which SUCKS.  A lot of remote areas in the US and other countries where it's too expensive to dig up the ground to run Fiber for just a few houses.

 

The cell carriers are kicking up the speeds because of smartphones and tablets.  Yeah 4G/LTE is supposed to do 100Mbps, but how many people actually see that speed consistently.  They are going to need LOTs of bandwidth for transmitting 4K video.  No other way around it.

 

I still think 4K video is more going to be distributed via physical media and then digital downloads, but watching it from your local TV station or Cable network?  Yeah right, that's years down the road.

 

I think TV is ultimately going to have to get transmitted over the internet as it's doing slowly but surely like what Hulu and others are doing, but you don't get the same experience with channel flipping as you do with cable or a dish system.  People like to channel surf.  It's what we live for.  :-)

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Full Apple TV appliance is perhaps the most ludicrous idea that cone from anal-lysts. TV set is not PC and people expect to look at it as home appliance investment. However, to follow the development of digital living room and available functionality the would have to buy a new set every 2 years? Why not just buy a new Apple TV box every 2 years and separately big monitor every 4 or 5 or so...

 

I believe guys at Apple understand that very good and I see much more probability that they will just expand current Apple TV functionality (for one, I would like to have it together with wireless router or even complete Time Machine) and fill it up with load of content and sell it for few times more than today.

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No 4K content?
Hint: iTunes store.

Every single movie on film is 4K. Every single movie that have been scanned for digital market since early 2000 is scanned in 4K.

Delivery of 4K content is another thing. Most people don't have 100Mbit and even with H265 codec 4K movies will be 25-50 gig.

 


Yeah, they do 4K for movie theaters.  But for End Losers like ourselves, it's going to be a while.  BluRay first.  THere aren't enough people out there that can take advantage of 4K.  Yeah, like we're going to download 4K videos on iPads.  Hahahahahaha.  I don't think so.  Not for a while.

 

I think it will take a little while for 4K videos to hit iTunes, Netflix, etc. That's probably a few years from now.

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No it isn't unless your internet provider just uses fiber as it's backbone. Our house has a straight fiber optic cable that runs directly from the junction box to a D-Link 3780 router.

No coaxial nonsense going on here.

What gets hooked up to your TV?  What kind of cable?  Cat 5?  What's your ISP giving you in terms of bandwidth?  10 Mpbs, 20Mbps, 30, 50?  

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No 4K content?
Hint: iTunes store.

Every single movie on film is 4K. Every single movie that have been scanned for digital market since early 2000 is scanned in 4K.

Delivery of 4K content is another thing. Most people don't have 100Mbit and even with H265 codec 4K movies will be 25-50 gig.

Most people that have 4K are doing it in a home theater.  You know with a REAL surround sound that does HD Master/True HD audio.  They will have a BluRay player.  And currently they just upscale 1080p content to 4K which is OK, but it's not that great.  Sony is going START releasing 4K titles next year on BluRay discs for those people that have a pretty serious system to run it on.


55 inch 4K TVs are at least $5000 for a cheap model, and go up from there, but a lot are just putting in video projection systems instead projecting on a nice 8 foot or larger screen.  A 55 inch TV is small for a real home theater.  Home Theaters that people put in their homes want 70, 80 or even 100 inch and those are still small compared to a video projection system, which is what makes sense for 4K video in the home because they want as close to film quality as they can get.

 

4K for the average Joe Blow is going to take probably 10 years before they get serious traction.


Most people don't have 1080p TVs, the percentages are going up as time goes along, but 4K is STILL a ways off.

 

Most local TV stations don't have the bucks to dump in 4K cameras for your local news.  We're lucky if they do 1080p.

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You really need to read it on a regular basis to grasp the publication. Often what is quoted as fact by The rumor mills in the USA is not how it is presented at DigiTimes.

 

Possibly.  But I have been reading this site for long enough, and seen enough stories from DigiTimes that I don't buy a thing they say.  Now, again, it's possible that they are being misrepresented.  I don't know.  But almost every "rumor" I see from DigiTimes ends up not being even close to true.

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4K screens will be for the new Mac Pro, not for consumer A/V purposes at this stage.
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Except the article says 55 to 65 inches. So, unfortunately, no 30" 4K cinema display...

From digitimes.

It could have been a picture with a toilet and a turd and it'd have the same validity of this article.

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What gets hooked up to your TV?  What kind of cable?  Cat 5?  What's your ISP giving you in terms of bandwidth?  10 Mpbs, 20Mbps, 30, 50?  

I have a 100Mbs line, TV, Internet, and telephone all come threw on one single fiber optic line. I have Cat 5 cable running inside the wall's with sockets in every room but I also run fiber to the server and my workstation directly from the router and of course WLAN. The TV has a HD set box from Swisscom, Cat 5 connection. We haven't had cable TV for almost 8 years now.

http://www.swisscom.ch/en/residential/internet/internet-at-home/fibre-optics.html


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Not even close.

 

Heck, "Black Swan" was shot on 16mm.  

 

Film becomes whatever resolution you scan it at.

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Two rumors regarding Apple's supply chain activities surfaced on Wednesday, one claiming the company has recently stepped up IC orders, while another has the company in talks with LG over "Ultra HDTV" screens. .

So, on one hand, Apple's business is booming. On the other hand, it's in the tank.

Why not just say "we don't have any flipping idea" and leave it at that?
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Hasn't every movie shot in the last few years been 4K? Doesn't Apple have the largest online movie store?

 

I wonder how many gigs would a 4k movie be.

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I still think 4K video is more going to be distributed via physical media and then digital downloads, but watching it from your local TV station or Cable network?  Yeah right, that's years down the road.

 

Indeed. Cable and OTA signals are still using 1080i, they are not even at 1080p yet.  4k is not going to happen anytime soon. 

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55 inch 4K TVs are at least $5000 for a cheap model, and go up from there...

 

Just a clarification, I would hardly call Sony's XBR-55X900A a "cheap model". It happens to be their top-of-the-line 55" set. But yes, the $5k price is spot on.

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I wonder how many gigs would a 4k movie be.

 

Well, if this is any indication...

 

http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921666556068#specifications

 

It comes preloaded with 10 movies with room for more (presumably). Wonder what the specs will be for the 4k streaming network.

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This article peaked my interest until the word 'Digitimes' was mentioned, they are and always will be naff!
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No content yet for 4K screen.

However it can be the new Thunderbolt Display. You would need it for your new mac pro in fall. So you can keep your desk "Apple Only".
 

There is 4K content - many movies have been shot and many mastered in 4K.   Sony sells a media player loaded with a few of their movies in 4K for consumers of their 4K TVs.  Many of the movies truly suck, but they are 4K.  They also have a different unit, with many more 4K movies, that they give to consumers of their $25,000 4K 84" TV.  

 

The black FMP-X1 4K Ultra HD Media Player from Sony comes preloaded with feature films and video shorts in 4K Ultra HD resolution, allowing you to watch content in the highest definition available for home viewing. The unit is compatible only with the Sony 55X900A and 65X900A 4K Ultra HD TVs, which offer four times the resolution of standard HDTVs. Preloaded content includes The Amazing Spider-Man; Bad Teacher, featuring Cameron Diaz; The Karate Kid, featuring Jackie Chan and Jaden Smith; The Other Guys, featuring Will Farrell; Battle: Los Angeles; That's My Boy, featuring Adam Sandler; Salt, featuring Angelina Jolie; Total Recall 2012, featuring Colin Farrell and Kate Beckinsale; Taxi Driver; and The Bridge on the River Kwai. You'll also have access to the upcoming Sony 4K network video service which will host a library of 4K movies and TV shows (an Ethernet connection will be required and fees may apply).

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Well, if this is any indication...

 

http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921666556068#specifications

 

It comes preloaded with 10 movies with room for more (presumably). Wonder what the specs will be for the 4k streaming network.

 

Not worth the $700 as those movies (some are junk) are "Compatible only with Sony 55" and 65" 4K UHD TVs.

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