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Rumored Apple hires from medical sensor field could hint at 'iWatch' capabilities

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Apple has allegedly hired a number of experts in the field non-intrusive medical sensors, ranging from vein mapping to glucose tracking, potentially revealing some of the company's interests in developing a wrist-worn smart accessory.

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AppleInsider was first to discover an Apple patent filing describing a watch design with flexible display.


Apple is rumored to have hired employees from companies such as AccuVein, C8 MediSensors, and Senseonics, a report published Thursday by 9to5Mac claims. Specifically, it was said that after the company C8 MediSensors went out of business, Apple "moved aggressively" to hire former directors and engineers from the company.

Prior to its closure, C8 MediSensors specialized in non-invasive sensors that could track substances inside the body, such as glucose levels.

The alleged hires align with what well-connected analyst Ming-Chi Kuo of KGI Securities indicated earlier this year about Apple's rumored "iWatch." According to Kuo, Apple's wrist-worn accessory will not be positioned as a time-telling device, but it will instead focus on offering secure user identification and advanced biometrics functionality.

With biometrics, an iWatch could better safeguard an owner from unwanted user access, while also providing advanced healthcare features. Current wrist-worn fitness trackers, such as the Nike FuelBand, already offer similar functionality with heart rate monitoring.

Cook himself has admitted to being a user of the FuelBand, and praised the device in an interview at the D11 conference in May. He also panned Google's head-worn Glass accessory, and suggested that the wrist might be a more interesting place for the future of wearable electronics.

"The whole sensor field is going to explode," Cook said. "It's a little all over the place right now. With the arc of time it will become clearer."

On the fitness front, Thursday's report also noted "unconfirmed whispers" that claim Apple has hired fitness consultant Jay Blahnik. He was previously a consultant on Nike's FuelBand and Kinect Training projects.

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Artist's rendition of purported Apple smartwatch. | Source: Yrving Torrealba


Beyond its expected integrated sensors, Apple's so-called "iWatch" is expected to be controlled by users with a small multi-touch display, not unlike the now-discontinued clip-on iPod nano model Apple offered years ago. It's alleged that Apple has put together a hardware and software "dream team" to pull the project together.

The company has even gone as far as to begin filing for ownership of "iWatch" trademarks in countries around the world ??a rare move for Apple, which is known for intense secrecy surrounding its internal projects.

In recent months, virtually every major player in the technology industry has been rumored to be working on their own smart watch. Products from Microsoft, Google, Samsung, and LG are said to be in the works, in addition to Sony's recently announced Sony SmartWatch 2, and currently-available options like the Pebble, MetaWatch, and I'm Watch.
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AI reporting 9to5Mac stories now (or again)....what gives?
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I hope they include a rectal thermometer.
 

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This sounds a little like navel gazing to me though. It looks like a good product, but it also looks like something the execs at Apple would really like versus something that the average person would really like.

Not everyone is fitness obsessed. Maybe this will actually move people to get healthier, but maybe it is just a product that most people won't want.
Most people, especially in the US and UK for example, are fat and eat garbage. Most people don't exercise.
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AI reporting 9to5Mac stories now (or again)....what gives?

 

Well, it's like reading 9to5Mac, but with the asshole factor removed.  Works for me.

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This sounds a little like navel gazing to me though. It looks like a good product, but it also looks like something the execs at Apple would really like versus something that the average person would really like.

Not everyone is fitness obsessed. Maybe this will actually move people to get healthier, but maybe it is just a product that most people won't want.
Most people, especially in the US and UK for example, are fat and eat garbage. Most people don't exercise.


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http://www.linkedin.com/pub/jay-blahnik/2/a1b/a37
Hofmeister told how he believes former C8 employees could benefit Apple. “We spent a lot of time working on the technology for gathering data through skin and a lot of time dealing with the optical variance of skin,” he said. “Anybody who is going to be working on wearable biometric sensors would find the experience of C8 employees invaluable,” he added.
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Well, it's like reading 9to5Mac, but with the asshole factor removed.  Works for me.
Not crazy about the reporting but they do get their scoops. Perhaps why they think so highly of themselves.
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This sounds a little like navel gazing to me though. It looks like a good product, but it also looks like something the execs at Apple would really like versus something that the average person would really like.

Not everyone is fitness obsessed. Maybe this will actually move people to get healthier, but maybe it is just a product that most people won't want.
Most people, especially in the US and UK for example, are fat and eat garbage. Most people don't exercise.

Because they are fat they get diabetes. Not only are traditional glucose level tracking methods painful, they also only allow the collection of a few data points per day, and are hard to capture and evaluate systematically.
A prickless, blood free glucose sensor could essentially continuously graph glucose levels, in combination with other sensors relative to body activity, too.
This would allow for better tracking of the individuals reaction to diabetes medication, insulin injections, etc.
This could be a huge thing for millions with diabetes.
Of course it would help athletes, too; but that would be the least important part if it.
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Because they are fat they get diabetes. Not only are traditional glucose level tracking methods painful, they also only allow the collection of a few data points per day, and are hard to capture and evaluate systematically.
A prickless, blood free glucose sensor could essentially continuously graph glucose levels, in combination with other sensors relative to body activity, too.
This would allow for better tracking of the individuals reaction to diabetes medication, insulin injections, etc.
This could be a huge thing for millions with diabetes.
Of course it would help athletes, too; but that would be the least important part if it.


Agreed - this is Health 2.0.  Monitoring for incipient heart attacks, blood sugar levels . . .  At least this continuous surveillance will benefit the wearer.

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Because they are fat they get diabetes. Not only are traditional glucose level tracking methods painful, they also only allow the collection of a few data points per day, and are hard to capture and evaluate systematically.
A prickless, blood free glucose sensor could essentially continuously graph glucose levels, in combination with other sensors relative to body activity, too.
This would allow for better tracking of the individuals reaction to diabetes medication, insulin injections, etc.
This could be a huge thing for millions with diabetes.
Of course it would help athletes, too; but that would be the least important part if it.

 

Yeah, I'm hoping overall it would be a good thing and popular and actually work to make folks healthier too, I just worry that it's targeted at a small market (the health obsessed).  I can certainly see the upside, but what if it's ugly and you just don't want to wear it all the time?  Then the only folks that will wear it are those that need to for health reasons or those that are obsessed with that sort of thing.  

 

I think it would have been a more popular idea if it was introduced back in the days when people still wore wrist watches a lot becuase then you're already wearing the watch, and the sensors are just gravy.  Now, they have to convince people to wear watches again first, then tell them it's a better watch.  

 

We shall see I suppose. 

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I bet Apple is going to use Authentec's fingerprint sensor to not just scan fingerprints.

Their tech has the ability to look under the skin as well.

Imagine if the iWatch has this sensor under the band and can continuously monitor your vitals.

 

I think Apple will keep working on this until they have a product that has an incredibly high value proposition.

Imagine eating fast-food and a few minutes later getting an alert that your blood pressure is abnormally high.

This kind of direct feedback could help people make better health choices and revolutionize medicine.

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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

This sounds a little like navel gazing to me though. It looks like a good product, but it also looks like something the execs at Apple would really like versus something that the average person would really like.

Not everyone is fitness obsessed. Maybe this will actually move people to get healthier, but maybe it is just a product that most people won't want.
Most people, especially in the US and UK for example, are fat and eat garbage. Most people don't exercise.

Because they are fat they get diabetes. Not only are traditional glucose level tracking methods painful, they also only allow the collection of a few data points per day, and are hard to capture and evaluate systematically.
A prickless, blood free glucose sensor could essentially continuously graph glucose levels, in combination with other sensors relative to body activity, too.
This would allow for better tracking of the individuals reaction to diabetes medication, insulin injections, etc.
This could be a huge thing for millions with diabetes.
Of course it would help athletes, too; but that would be the least important part if it.

Excellent post. People wondering who would wear a "watch" should take note.
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When Bob Mansfield retired and then the rumors came out that Cook convinced him to stay it was rumored (by Bloomberg I think) that he was interested in doing stuff in the healthcare space. Not surprised that his technologies group is involved with this project. I think Apple might just surprise us in this space. Everyone is thinking an iPod nano type watch, and most likely Apple is thinking different. 1wink.gif
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Medical sensing hires + Fashion heavyweight hire... Discuss!

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This could track Glucose levels, monitor your heart rate ( so a fitness club could give it to everybody working out in their club and read one a desktop or tablet device), it could warn you of over heating, time in the Sun, and send information to your health provider. Much more useful than something which just tells the time.

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Medical sensing hires + Fashion heavyweight hire... Discuss!

Medical sensing hires + Fashion heavyweight hire = Next revolutionary product!

To all who think there is no market for a fitness band, check Nike fuel band sales!

I see this devive as similar in approach to how Apple has promoted the iPod Nano as a device combining a great music player with the convenience of a Nike pedometer for working out.

With the iWatch Apple will be combining a fitness and health band with a personal assistant.

Add in notification center, Siri, and bluetooth MP3 playing and this device could easily be a slam dunk.

What if it had NFC as well and could be used for quick payments and identification? This could be the device of the future.
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I hear Tim Cook is a health nut, so I wonder if this is a project he initiated? It would be nice to know that he's involved in product development to some degree, and not just an 'operations guy'.
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If these details are correct, the iWatch may become an important health & fitness device. But I think it's incorrect to think Apple is making just a fitness watch. I'm guessing they're aiming for wide appeal by providing fashionable design with hard and soft features (and good API) that give the watch vast utility.
 
These new rumors have me excited about the iWatch for the first time.
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Apple isn't always first and arguably seldom first, but the funny thing to me is I know Samsung, Google (etc.) all read sites like AppleInsider in hopes of finding new info into upcoming products. Then they can race to pt that/those new features in their products and claim they were first.

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While the idea that this is all about health applications seems reasonable, there is a whole area of use of biometric sensors that is being missed here.  Besides measuring some specifics of body function and metabolism that can be translated into health measures, these can also be translated into behavioural and emotional estimations as well.  Building applications and/or advertising that respond to how a person is "feeling" could be extremely powerful, and span areas such as retail, dining, entertainment (music or video), etc.  Crafting advertising based on a consumers mood would be a next major step in personalized, targeted ads.  Both frightening and really cool.

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Because they are fat they get diabetes.
Actually it is often the other way around, you get fat after taking the drugs designed to control diabetes. Just about everything medical science has to control diabetes these days has this side effect.
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Not only are traditional glucose level tracking methods painful, they also only allow the collection of a few data points per day, and are hard to capture and evaluate systematically.
A prickless, blood free glucose sensor could essentially continuously graph glucose levels, in combination with other sensors relative to body activity, too.
Such technology, if it could be made reliable, would actually change my interest in an iWatch.
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This would allow for better tracking of the individuals reaction to diabetes medication, insulin injections, etc.
This could be a huge thing for millions with diabetes.
Of course it would help athletes, too; but that would be the least important part if it.
It might be a huge win but frankly blood sugar tracking can be very frustrating as there is at times no correlation to blood sugar levels and what you eat. The interesting thing here would be realtime warnings from such a device. Sometimes blood sugar levels can go out of the safe zone faster than one can realize, a real time sensor could be helpful here if tied to an alarm.
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Wow the misconception on diabetes, there are some to whom it is an hereditary and
not because of life-style.

Yes there are many institutes which have been looking into a needle less test, but many
hospitals or doctors still prefer a traditional blood test. So if a device which could clip onto
the iWatch & give feedback direct to it, this would help tremendously.

Also for any other sufferers of Heart, Liver, Migraines or Food allergies / Insects "Bee stings".
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While the idea that this is all about health applications seems reasonable, there is a whole area of use of biometric sensors that is being missed here.  Besides measuring some specifics of body function and metabolism that can be translated into health measures, these can also be translated into behavioural and emotional estimations as well.  Building applications and/or advertising that respond to how a person is "feeling" could be extremely powerful, and span areas such as retail, dining, entertainment (music or video), etc.  Crafting advertising based on a consumers mood would be a next major step in personalized, targeted ads.  Both frightening and really cool.

This is Apple we are talking about...not Google.

Leave the creepy stuff to Google.

 

Apple is interested in empowering its users.

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I hear Tim Cook is a health nut, so I wonder if this is a project he initiated? It would be nice to know that he's involved in product development to some degree, and not just an 'operations guy'.

Yes. He works out religiously, is an avid cyclist and friends with Lance Armstrong.  He has also been a member of Nike's board of directors since 2005.

I think the untimely death of Steve Jobs was a wake up call for Tim Cook and the other executives.  Tim is only a few years younger than Steve.  I think the executive team sees the value proposition Apple can offer.

 

People are living longer

Healthcare is expensive

Many people are uninsured

Many people are obese

 

Offer a simple yet powerful product that empowers people to improve their lives

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Yes. He works out religiously, is an avid cyclist and friends with Lance Armstrong.  He has also been a member of Nike's board of directors since 2005.

I think the untimely death of Steve Jobs was a wake up call for Tim Cook and the other executives.  Tim is only a few years younger than Steve.  I think the executive team sees the value proposition Apple can offer.

 

People are living longer

Healthcare is expensive

Many people are uninsured

Many people are obese

 

Offer a simple yet powerful product that empowers people to improve their lives

 

With Tim on Nike's board I wonder if a product that's not unlike Nike's fuel band would create bad blood between the 2 companies?

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I think with something like we've seen with they Myo wristband (http://geekbeat.tv/myo-wristband-reads-muscle-activity-for-gesture-controlled-computer-use/)

plus something like an Apple take on biometrics data gathering/analytics (think body bugg et al) I think you could have something that's pretty interesting.  Add to that connection with your iOS device (notifications, read emails/texts, use phone Dick Tracy style) and remote control ability for whatever TV product they have up their sleeve (pun intended) including app/game input for a TV app store...

 

Then it becomes interesting I think.  Anyone who thinks Apple is making something like the current smart watch/fitness wristband offerings isn't really thinking in terms of what Apple's already done.

 

Think [new apple wrist product] is to [current smart watches] as [iPad] is to [slate/tablet offerings prior to the iPad].

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If a health monitor were to be offered by Apple, it would have to be operable on its own, yet offer additional function when used with an iPhone, iPad, or computer.

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