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Nokia's failure to gain traction in the smartphone market with Microsoft's Windows Phone platform is seen by one analyst as a sign that consumers are content with the two dominant options currently on the market: Apple's iOS and Google's Android.

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Charlie Wolf of Needham & Company revealed in a note to investors this week that he has downgraded his rating for Nokia stock from a "buy" to a "hold." In particular, he believes Nokia's poor performance in the last quarter is a sign that consumers are "content with just two platforms."

"It appears that the market is reaching the now-or-never moment for the Windows 8/Nokia duo," Wolf wrote. "We expect Microsoft to throw enormous resources behind Windows 8 to prevent its demise. But with a single digit market share, the challenge will be enormous."

According to IDC data from May, Android and iOS had a heady lead against all other competitors. In the first quarter of 2013, Apple and Google?s mobile operating systems combined to take up 92.3 percent of the market, leaving Windows Phone and BlackBerry OS with 3.2 and 2.9 percent, respectively.

Wolf blames a smaller app library, ineffective marketing, and Nokia's original loyalty to the "antiquated" Symbian operating system, for the Finnish handset maker's gradual downfall since the iPhone debuted in 2007. Nokia eventually dumped Symbian as its primary OS in February 2011 in favor of Microsoft's Windows Phone.

But by summer 2011, Nokia was forced to begin laying off 10,000 employees. Since then, Windows Phone has only struggled to gain a larger share of the market and move more Nokia devices, capturing only a three percent share of the market in March.

Nokia announced this week that it shipped 7.4 million units of its flagship Lumia smartphone running Windows Phone. While considerably less than the 37.4 million iPhones Apple shipped last quarter, the Lumia still managed to out-ship BlackBerry's 6.8 million total smartphones in the last quarter, suggesting that Windows Phone may have to settle for a distant third place in the market.

Apple's iPhone outsold BlackBerry devices in Canada for the first time in 2011. Research firm Gartner predicted last March that the newest version of BlackBerry?s operating system, BlackBerry 10, may capture less than five percent of the worldwide smartphone market through 2016.
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Who'd want Nokia's, BB's etc's garbage?
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Who'd want Nokia's, BB's etc's garbage?

Dumbest quote of the summer.... Please stop....

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I did enjoy Microsoft's mock funeral procession for the iPhone. And RIM's paid flash mob outside the Sydney Apple Store.

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Or maybe because the alternatives just sucked.

How many people would actually buy a phone that they didn't enjoy using, just to prove a point?
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"We expect Microsoft to throw enormous resources behind Windows 8 to prevent its demise. But with a single digit market share, the challenge will be enormous."

Perhaps it's nearly time for Microsoft to give their shareholders their money back and close up shop ...
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Who'd want Nokia's, BB's etc's garbage?

On rare occasions we get the odd die hard fans who want these things, 99.9% of the time it's iPhones or Samsung with a few wanting HTC or Sony.

Blackberry are so low in demand we don't even bother stocking them.
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There's plenty of room for more innovation. The problem is the iPhone really knocked it out of the park in 2007 and the entire industry has been trying to catch up ever since. Arguably, they have at this point: squint your eyes and at arms length, an iPhone, a Windows phone and an Android phone are all about the same, especially if you compare them to what passed as a "smart phone" in 2007.

So now the question is, what's next? Yes, the world does not need another iPhone clone. We've got the iPhone. We've got the iPhone's low-rent cousin. All anyone needs to do to shake the market up is to come out with something new and insanely great that makes the iPhone look like the smart-phones of 2006. Get on it guys.
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Who'd want Nokia's, BB's etc's garbage?

Maybe Microsoft will snap them up.
The destroy them like they did with Danger.

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There's plenty of room for more innovation. The problem is the iPhone really knocked it out of the park in 2007 and the entire industry has been trying to catch up ever since. Arguably, they have at this point: squint your eyes and at arms length, an iPhone, a Windows phone and an Android phone are all about the same, especially if you compare them to what passed as a "smart phone" in 2007.

So now the question is, what's next? Yes, the world does not need another iPhone clone. We've got the iPhone. We've got the iPhone's low-rent cousin. All anyone needs to do to shake the market up is to come out with something new and insanely great that makes the iPhone look like the smart-phones of 2006. Get on it guys.

It would be difficult enough to come up with something insanely great, but it would also have to be something Apple and Google/Samsung couldn't copy quickly. They wouldn't wait years to do so like ms, bb.
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It's the ecosystem. People are already invested in their apps, movies, music and photos. There are few people willing to start fresh with Microsofts ecosystem.

Apple knew what they were doing and it worked.
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There's plenty of room for more innovation. ...

 

I don't think this is true.  

 

Windows Phone is undoubtedly innovative because it has figured out a purposely different approach to organising the users information and uses a different, but still quite useable and plausible user interface to do it.  Palm OS did the same thing.  While a lot of it's ideas eventually were subsumed by Android and now iOS, at the time it came out it was a viable, different, and innovative platform for smartphones.  Both of these platforms have failed miserably.  What has actually been successful on the other hand, (outside of the leader, iOS), is Android, which is basically a copy of iOS in almost every important aspect.  

 

I would argue that what people actually want, is iOS or a cheap iOS copy.  They want iPhones, or cheap iPhone copies.  

 

If you think about it, the exact same thing happened with DOS and the IBM PC, and the same thing happened with Mac/Windows, and the same thing happened with early Windows alternatives.  There were many alternatives to DOS. Some, (many actually) did the job better than DOS, but once DOS was established, that was all people wanted.  No one wanted to learn a new thing.  Once people saw graphical computing on the Mac and used a mouse for the first time, it was an unstoppable wave of change.  Windows "won" because it was a cheap copy of the Mac in the same way as Android is a cheap copy of iOS.  And as Windows established itself in the market, lots of companies "innovated" with alternative, different, GUI interfaces many of which were superior to Windows in many ways, (remember HP New Wave Desktop? OS2?) but they came too late.  The Windows paradigm was already established.  

 

People jump on a new thing when it comes along and if it's pushed in the right way it quickly gains dominance.  Once that's done, they actually don't seem to want innovative, different things.  They just want the familiar thing or a reasonable copy if it's cheaper.  Once you have dominance (and market share), "better ideas" simply don't matter. 

 

This is the second time Apple has defined a new paradigm/platform in computing history.  They f*cked it up the first time, but they seem to have got it right this time.  

I think Apple had it sewn up with the debut of the first iPad, and no amount of innovation from Microsoft is going to make much difference now IMO.  

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"Nokia's failure to gain traction in the smartphone market with Microsoft's Windows Phone platform is seen by one analyst as a sign that consumers are content with the two dominant options currently on the market: Apple's iOS and Google's Android."

 

This has got to be a joke, every single report for the past couple of weeks has shown that Nokia's Lumia sales have increased by over 20% since last quarter.  Microsoft Windows Phone has gone from 3.7 to 4.6 of the total market share, that is a 24% increase in market share.  Microsoft's market share has been steadily increasing for the past 2-3 years and Nokia's Lumia sales have been increases at an incredible rate year after year since they introduced.

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"Nokia's failure to gain traction in the smartphone market with Microsoft's Windows Phone platform is seen by one analyst as a sign that consumers are content with the two dominant options currently on the market: Apple's iOS and Google's Android."


This has got to be a joke, every single report for the past couple of weeks has shown that Nokia's Lumia sales have increased by over 20% since last quarter.  Microsoft Windows Phone has gone from 3.7 to 4.6 of the total market share, that is a 24% increase in market share.  Microsoft's market share has been steadily increasing for the past 2-3 years and Nokia's Lumia sales have been increases at an incredible rate year after year since they introduced.

You sound just like an Apple user, trying to explain how a Mac is getting as popular as the PC. It's amazing how the tables have turned..
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I did enjoy Microsoft's mock funeral procession for the iPhone. And RIM's paid flash mob outside the Sydney Apple Store.

I thought it was funny when the idiots swore it was a ploy from Samsung even after they stated they had nothing to do with it.

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You sound just like an Apple user, trying to explain how a Mac is getting as popular as the PC. It's amazing how the tables have turned..

 

Yeah what did Ballmer call Mac market share? "Rounding error"??? Would that describe Windows Phone?

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There is a world class OS with world class hardware called the iPhone which serves the high end of the market (plus the design/fashion portion). Same as the Mac on the personal computer side. 

 

What is Windows? Windows is the free OS you get with cheap throwaway hardware. It's an acceptable OS but no one really wants it. Or no one actually wants to pay separate for it - either by buying costlier PC's or WIN upgrades. Android is EXACTLY the same.

 

Android is a fine free OS but when people have to pay for it like an unsubsizdied tablet? 500 android tablets hold about 10% of the tablet market (if you count Kindle separate - if not, then 505 Android tablets hold about 18% of the market) or why Android phones might have about 60% market share for phones but about 25% share of internet use ... it's a fine free copycat OS but that is all it is.

 

MS' problem is that Android beat them to the cheap end of the market so now, a second option for the low end market is not much of a solution - just as Blackberry is fighting the same fight. 

 

The bottom line is that BB or Nokia/MS have to come up with the smartphone 3.0 to beat Apple (and Android which copies whatever apple does). They are simply NOT capable. Just look at the Xbox One. With very little innovation in the VG industry, that the best BILLIONS of dollars cold come up with. A $500 Blu Ray player that looks like someone fused a TiVo with a VCR and of course, we don't need to rehash their initial prouncements about leading that industry. 

 

So, it isn't that people are content, they are content because they know BB & Nokia?MS won't come with anything game changing. BB managed to lead a pathetic industry because they came up with a phone that could read emails and send text. After that, they thought no one ever needed anything else from a phone. So unless Nokia/BB becomes a Tesla or a Dyson or anyone else, they are pretty much done.

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Who'd want Nokia's, BB's etc's garbage?


Anyone who want's the best map and camera solutions available on a phone.

 

Lumia sales are actually increasing, so I think it's a bit early to say it's all over:

 

 

I am actually looking at getting my son a Lumia as he will soon be off to University and I think needs a better phone.  I am seriously considering getting myself one also, just  for the navigation features and camera.

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It should be possible for MS to muscle their way to a bigger market share, they have the $. I wouldn't could them out just yet, based on past experience!

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Could prove to be the same costly mistake for Samsung's Tizen OS. 

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"Nokia's failure to gain traction in the smartphone market with Microsoft's Windows Phone platform is seen by one analyst as a sign that consumers are content with the two dominant options currently on the market: Apple's iOS and Google's Android."

 

This has got to be a joke, every single report for the past couple of weeks has shown that Nokia's Lumia sales have increased by over 20% since last quarter.  Microsoft Windows Phone has gone from 3.7 to 4.6 of the total market share, that is a 24% increase in market share.  Microsoft's market share has been steadily increasing for the past 2-3 years and Nokia's Lumia sales have been increases at an incredible rate year after year since they introduced.

Yeah, I don't think it is destined to get anything close to what iOS had, or Android has, But I think it will eventually rise to a position of being large enough to get real developer notice.

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Yeah what did Ballmer call Mac market share? "Rounding error"??? Would that describe Windows Phone?

No, I believe that was at a point the Apple PC marketshare was like 3%, Windows Phone is something like 6.4% now, and growing.

EDIT: Sorry, WP is currently ~4.6% of marketshare (and growing), they were 6.4% of all phones sold last quarter.  My bad!

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It should be possible for MS to muscle their way to a bigger market share, they have the $. I wouldn't could them out just yet, based on past experience!

It is possible.  Especially considering unlike Windoze RT and Windoze 8, Windows Phone 8 is good.

Well, actually, it depends.  Personally, I think MS should go to every large app on iOS/Android and offer to pay for whatever it costs to make it for Windows Phone 8.  And maybe even offer them 100% of sale revenue on the store (For the first ______ downloads, or the first year).  Otherwise, I feel it will be a slow, long climb for quite a while, probably forever.

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Um, no. It doesn't indicated that "Consumers are Happy with an Android/IOS duopoly", what it indicates is that consumers can't see any value in Windows Phone.

Consumers were quite happy with Symbian. That may sound weird to Americans, but Nokia had enormous market share outside of the United States. The United States is a small market where mobiles are concerned. Seriously. Compare the U.S. to South America, Europe, Africa, or Asia, and really the U.S. market almost isn't worth messing with.

The problem Nokia and Microsoft have is that the Windows Mobile operating system does not give consumers what they want.

Take the BB10 operating system. If rumors are right, it is outselling Windows Phone. Since Windows Phone was in the market a lot sooner (and BB10 has very little in common with the earlier BLackberry operating systems), that should not be possible. Even if it has only the same, or slightly less sales, BB10 is more successful, because it reached that level in LESS THAN SIX MONTHS.

Consumers aren't stupid. They buy what will:

A) make them more productive
B) is easier to use
C) is fun

Windows Phone doesn't appear to be any of these. It seems more like an OS that was designed for Business use, and that's why it is failing in the Comsumer market.

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Um, no. It doesn't indicated that "Consumers are Happy with an Android/IOS duopoly", what it indicates is that consumers can't see any value in Windows Phone.

Consumers were quite happy with Symbian. That may sound weird to Americans, but Nokia had enormous market share outside of the United States. The United States is a small market where mobiles are concerned. Seriously. Compare the U.S. to South America, Europe, Africa, or Asia, and really the U.S. market almost isn't worth messing with.

The problem Nokia and Microsoft have is that the Windows Mobile operating system does not give consumers what they want.

Take the BB10 operating system. If rumors are right, it is outselling Windows Phone. Since Windows Phone was in the market a lot sooner (and BB10 has very little in common with the earlier BLackberry operating systems), that should not be possible. Even if it has only the same, or slightly less sales, BB10 is more successful, because it reached that level in LESS THAN SIX MONTHS.

Consumers aren't stupid. They buy what will:

A) make them more productive
B) is easier to use
C) is fun

Windows Phone doesn't appear to be any of these. It seems more like an OS that was designed for Business use, and that's why it is failing in the Comsumer market.

Wayne

What are you talking about?  You have clearly not used Windows Phone 8.  Let me put it this way: I have 3 friends who used Windows Phone, One who switched to 8 from Android, and has never looked back (he actually lost his phone for a month, he hated it) One who had in iPod Touch (I think 3rd gen) and got Windows Phone 7.5 and later chose to stick with Windows Phone (got a Windows 8 Phone).  And a last one who Got Windows Phone 8 right when it came out (I think he had the original Droid than an iPhone 4 before, not certain) and he likes it.  Personally, I got it under a month ago, I have picked up my iPhone maybe 10 times since then.

Now, partially for me, I believe it might be the fact that the iPhone was starting to feel a bit slow, and the Lumia 920 does not.  Plus, I did manage to break my iPhone's Camera, and the Lumia 920 has a far better one anyhow.  But regardless, If you don't know what you are talking about, please do not talk about it.

Windows Phone has a lot to offer, its largest problem is the brilliance of Apple's lock in (plus, having a good OS experience to get people to stay) and that Microsoft was not able to launch it sooner.

note: I want to play with BB10, I plan to get the fullscreen one when I feel I can.

Also, on sale numbers:
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/07/18/nokias-74m-lumia-shipments-top-blackberrys-total-smartphone-sales

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Windows Phone has never (and still doesn't) bring enough to the table to make it meaningful.

And the UI is hideous, anyway.
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Windows Phone has never (and still doesn't) bring enough to the table to make it meaningful.

And the UI is hideous, anyway.

aka

 

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Thanks for your opinion.

Have you ever used WP8?
I really want to know, because otherwise your opinion is pretty worthless.

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What has actually been successful on the other hand, (outside of the leader, iOS), is Android, which is basically a copy of iOS in almost every important aspect.  

 

 

I'm curious if you can tell me what's similar between iOS and Android beyond them both being touchscreen interfaces with apps.

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 What has actually been successful on the other hand, (outside of the leader, iOS), is Android, which is basically a copy of iOS in almost every important aspect.  

  

Like a notification center?  And live widgets?

I don't use Android on a regular basis, I watch videos on my nook HD+ (to good to pass up at $150) and had a cheap $70 dollar android handset (Took it apart, lol) it has unique features.  I would never take a device with Android over iOS if they had the specifications unless the Android was DRASTICALLY cheaper (and I was on a budget).

Android's base may have been basically a copy of iOS, but it has expanded and added features that are unique.  Some features, like its notification center, Apple copied into iOS.

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The Nokia Lumia 920 with Carl Zeiss optics and Pureview

No One Comes Close, not today and for sure not in the near future

Waiting for 925 or the new 1020 41 pix monster.

I also have JBL speaker Monster Purity HD wireless headphones....
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Thats why you don´t understand what you are missing.
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No One Comes Close, not today and for sure not in the near future

It's utter crap.
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Thats why you don´t understand what you are missing.

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Who'd want Nokia's, BB's etc's garbage?

On rare occasions we get the odd die hard fans who want these things, 99.9% of the time it's iPhones or Samsung with a few wanting HTC or Sony.

Blackberry are so low in demand we don't even bother stocking them.

They would be good "collectors items" of the smart phone / post-pc era...

Just like Ohio Scientific, Smoke Signal Broadcasting, HeathKit and Kentucky Fried Computers are for the microcomputer era.
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Take the BB10 operating system. If rumors are right, it is outselling Windows Phone. Since Windows Phone was in the market a lot sooner (and BB10 has very little in common with the earlier BLackberry operating systems), that should not be possible. Even if it has only the same, or slightly less sales, BB10 is more successful, because it reached that level in LESS THAN SIX MONTHS.


Wayne

 

ROFL what rumors?  Every single piece of news about BlackBerry and Microsoft windows phone show that the official sales statistics prove that the Nokia Lumia sold more than all BlackBerry smartphones this past quarter.  That is not speculation that is a fact.  Windows Phone now has more market share than Black Berry does.

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I don't understand Why these companies don't get it.  

I bought my wife the WP7 HTC Titan when it first came out, part of that reason was my own personal interest in a new OS. 

 

Windows Phone 7 and 8 OS alone, to me, is excellent. It runs smooth, I like the people "hub" and many other aspects of the OS. 

 

What Nokia, and maybe Microsoft as well, do not Get: it's ALL ABOUT THE APPS

 

I went to Microsoft's market place and looked for all the apps I have on my current iPhone. Nearly None of the apps I use daily, are there. 

 

My bank app, my local TV station new/weather app, and many others that I want, are not there.  

I have sent emails to my local bank and TV station asking them to make apps for WP8. Both said: "At this time, we are not interested in developing for windows phone 8, have a good day" 

 

I have people argue that "there are most likely apps that 'do the same thing' as the apps you use on your iPhone" 

I want the apps I use, not some "app that almost does the same thing".

 

If I could get my bank and and local TV station and even 80% of the "other" apps I want, (not the 5% that is actually there), I would switch to WP8 right now. 

Microsoft and Nokia need to wake up and smell the coffee. It's all about the apps for me and until they are supported even half as much as Apple and Android, I will not do without apps I want and use, just for the sake of having "something new".

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It's the ecosystem. People are already invested in their apps, movies, music and photos. There are few people willing to start fresh with Microsofts ecosystem.

Apple knew what they were doing and it worked.

That's exactly right. The issue here is the lack of a cohesive ecosystem and at this point I believe Windows (and especially RIM) are up a huge cliff to try to gain market share, but most importantly, gain customer support.
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aka

Thanks for your opinion.


Have you ever used WP8?

I really want to know, because otherwise your opinion is pretty worthless.


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It doesn't matter, this is an Apple centric site and most non-Apple products are shunned on regardless of it's features. Microsoft could have released the next greatest thing in mobile technology, sell millions of them and their would be some on this site that would still call it crap.

I personally think Windows 8 mobile is a pretty neat OS. I don't have one yet but I did just pre-order a Nokia 1020, my son has a Nokia 820 so I played around with his extensively. The app store doesn't seem as bare as people make it out to be, every app that I use on daily basis are all there. Evernote, TeamViewer, Sketchnote, Tunein, Podcast!, Photoshop Express, Pandora, Pulse, News 360, Nook, Viber, Wikipedia, eBay, Swiss Rail Times, Engadget, IMDB, Skype, Tumblr, Office (this is a great app), Skydrive(complete integration), Facebook & Twitter are built into the system and I think is better implemented than the native apps on iOS or Android, ect..... Then of course you have those really cool Nokia apps like Drive, Music and PureView Camera app (the best there is on any platform).

There are also a lot of nifty little things that complete the package. My family was in Denmark for a little mini vacation, we were sitting in a restaurant when I noticed my son taking pictures of the menu, when asked what he was doing he replied that there is a builtin function in Bing that will translate the text in a picture. I know there are apps for this kind of things but damn if I wasn't impressed, especially when a 13 year old found value in it.
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It's utter crap.
Get a room. Somewhere off this site, that is.

Every time I see you post I think of this scene:

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Mushu: ...protect the family.
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Good job ringing the gong there buddy. I see you are still adding "value" to the forum with your immensely profound posts.
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Originally Posted by Relic View Post

The app store doesn't seem as bare as people make it out to be, every app that I use on daily basis are all there. Evernote, TeamViewer, Sketchnote, Tunein, Podcast!, Photoshop Express, Pandora, Pulse, News 360, Nook, Viber, Wikipedia, eBay, Swiss Rail Times, Engadget, IMDB, Skype, Tumblr, Office (this is a great app), Skydrive(complete integration), Facebook & Twitter are built into the system and I think is better implemented than the native apps on iOS or Android, ect..... Then of course you have those really cool Nokia apps like Drive, Music and PureView Camera app (the best there is on any platform).

I had 8 pages of apps on my iPhone until I cleaned it up yesterday. Thats with a good number of folders. There are maybe 2 pages that I actually use on a regular basis.

Oddly I don't care about either my bank or my local TV station even if they have apps. For a quick overview I use a financial app that sees all of them. For actual banking I hit their site from a desktop. For news, weather and traffic I have better apps than the local news app which is invariably meh.

I like the iOS app ecosystem so I'll stick with the iPad and for me the iPhone. But I'll probably get the 1020 for the wife just for the camera.
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