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Lol VGChartz? You might as well just make up numbers in your head than quote them.

In terms of overall profit and dominance, no Sony flopped on its PS3

 

flopped?  huh?  Right now Sony is selling the most games. the most hardware. the most everything.  Do you have a better source than VGChartz?  Please share where you got your information.  The only flop right now is Nintendo with the Wii U

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I like the editorials, but I'd prefer less sarcasm.

I'd prefer more knowing what you dislike.
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The tone of this article is a bit too condescending and elitist for my taste. I enjoy some of the articles on this site, but stuff likes this makes me wanna root for Windows and Android success just so this author would eat some humble pie. Apple pie??

Or maybe you could just go find a website that talks about thinks you don't hate, you useless drive-by.
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Lots of great content here, but the thick sarcasm detracts from your story. Maybe I'm an officer in the fun police...

Or maybe you're just a guy creating multiple one-post accounts to make it seem like anyone shares your (mysteriously equallyincorrectly-worded) opinion.
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They're nailed multi-tasking in a touch environment.

lol.

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what did their tablets look like before the iPad?  And what do they look like after the iPad?

Like tablets
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post #124 of 321
Never underestimate the bullheaded determination of Microsoft. Windows 1 came out in 1981. It was a disaster. Nobody wanted it. The same was true of Windows 2 in 1987. Windows 3, in 1990, was better, but the first version of Windows that people actually started to use was 3.1, in 1992. So Microsoft was willing to work on a failing product for over 10 years before it became useful and profitable. They've already spent more than that long on their original tablet OS. They'll continue to spend money on it until it actually catches on or until Ballmer runs the company into bankruptcy.
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The tone of this article is a bit too condescending and elitist for my taste. I enjoy some of the articles on this site, but stuff likes this makes me wanna root for Windows and Android success just so this author would eat some humble pie. Apple pie??

For years, Apple was on the receiving end of elitist rhetoric. We had people like Dell calling for Apple to shut down and give the money back to shareholders. We had Steve Ballmer derisively dismiss the iPhone as being too expensive. When the iPad came out, everyone and their mother was racing to declare it an utter failure, calling Apple stupid for making it look like a "giant iPod Touch." People lampooned the iPad name ruthlessly, with a reference to female personal hygiene products. Did you read any of those articles? If so, did you find them so condescending and elite that it made you want to root for Apple just so those authors would eat some humble pie?

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flopped?  huh?  Right now Sony is selling the most games. the most hardware. the most everything.  Do you have a better source than VGChartz?  Please share where you got your information.  The only flop right now is Nintendo with the Wii U

Go to the last paragraph.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-01-09-idc-game-consoles-discs-to-remain-revenue-mainstays-for-years-to-come
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Never underestimate the bullheaded determination of Microsoft. Windows 1 came out in 1981. It was a disaster. Nobody wanted it. The same was true of Windows 2 in 1987. Windows 3, in 1990, was better, but the first version of Windows that people actually started to use was 3.1, in 1992. So Microsoft was willing to work on a failing product for over 10 years before it became useful and profitable. They've already spent more than that long on their original tablet OS. They'll continue to spend money on it until it actually catches on or until Ballmer runs the company into bankruptcy.

 

One thing, however: Windows was subsidized by Microsoft's huge DOS business. Windows then tried to subsidize a variety of pen, tablet, clamshell PDAs, watches, screens, auto integration and various other things that have never taken off. Through the 2000s, Microsoft had tons of cash to waste in paying for the next big thing, but failed over and over. 

 

Problem is, the cash cow of Win PCs is now drying up. Microsoft doesn't make most of the profits of the industry anymore, so it can't fritter away money on projects forever. So it's now more quickly killing things like the Zune and KIN.

 

It's now Apple's turn to spend cash on new projects. What has it done: Apple TV, iAd, iPod touch gaming, iCloud, Maps, iOS Auto integration and lots of other stuff that critics have laughed at derisively but which are sustainably making money, despite being "just experiments." 

 

So if you look at the future of Surface RT, it's much less compelling than one of Apple's "hobbies." Meanwhile, Apple has more new billion dollar businesses cranking out cash.

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+1
-1 turn up the sarcasm. They deserve it. Incompetent fools.
Edited by snova - 7/20/13 at 2:07pm
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post #129 of 321
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How about Microsoft making simplified touch versions of Office and selling them on App Store and Google Play? Office is the product line that brings in the most revenue for Microsoft these days. Of course doing that would mean they're willing to screw Windows. But as it is right now people are buying iPads and Android tablets over Windows offerings. At least this way Microsoft could get some Office subscription revenue. Now they get nothing. Perhaps it will happen with this new org structure as Windows and Office will no longer be competing with each other.

Can someone enlighten me on the benefit of office? I used to use office for Mac to open docs people sent but now just open them in pages by default. It works great. Ditto for numbers. Not to mention if the iWork's cloud turns out to be half decent, it seems office for Mac will be irrelevant.
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I agree, I think this article says more about the author than about Microsoft.
I'm no Microsoft fanboy (never was) - and I'm not sure wether I still am an Apple fanboy, but this article is - I'd even call it childish and dishonorable to a good writer.
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I agree, I think this article says more about the author than about Microsoft.
I'm no Microsoft fanboy (never was) - and I'm not sure wether I still am an Apple fanboy, but this article is - I'd even call it childish and dishonorable to a good writer.

This might come as a shock to you but this site is an apple fan site. This "editorial" is the authors opinion. It's not supposed to be unbiased or politically correct or respectful of trolls, fan droids, or micro softies. As an Apple fan I absolutely loved it and love that people like you hated it. Thank you to the Author for actually saying what is on most apple fan minds and thank you for complaining.
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I understand you want technology to stand still.  I suppose it makes sense on a psychological point of view.

I'd prefer that you looked at it through a different lens.  Mine may have a bit more estrogen in it, but the more Microsoft spends on it's tablet the better the iPad will be in the future.

I think we should all cheer Microsoft on and encourage them to spend an absorbent amount of money researching what really does work.
Ok I'm game. Which technological advancement did Microsoft make going from pre-ipad tablets to post-ipad tablets?
How have they evolved in a positive manner?
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post #133 of 321
Mmm...

Typical DED rehash of what he disliked about MS over the years... with a few updates.


It is worth noting that the article contains 18 links -- 12 (or 2/3) of these are links to other DED articles.

Clearly he has a narrative to promote.
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what did their tablets look like before the iPad?  And what do they look like after the iPad?

 

 

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/microsofts-long-and-tortured-history-in-tablets/266832-11.html

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You obviously have a completely mistaken understanding of things.

Making second rate products and copying Apple is not advancing technology at all.

I am at the forefront of technology, using the best tablet in the world. I don't have any time for kickstands or people dancing around like morons or outdated operating systems that take up an obscene amount of RAM.
Evolutionary products don't change fortunes, revolutionary ones do. Make a tablet which does not depend on windows and you may have something. Until that happens they will evolution their way into bankruptcy.
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how does that refute my point?  Your link says the PS3 is outselling the Xbox360.  Not sure what you are trying to state.

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Mmm...

Typical DED rehash of what he disliked about MS over the years... with a few updates.


It is worth noting that the article contains 18 links -- 12 (or 2/3) of these are links to other DED articles.

Clearly he has a narrative to promote.

I think you do DED a disservice. He has far more things he dislikes about Microsoft that what was written here 1wink.gif.

Seriously though, I thought he was very reserved, selective and kept it to just what was appropriate. I promote his narrative too when and wherever I can. It's called the true history of micro computers since the late 70's to the present day.
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post #138 of 321
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Evolutionary products don't change fortunes, revolutionary ones do. Make a tablet which does not depend on windows and you may have something. Until that happens they will evolution their way into bankruptcy.


"...they will evolution their way into bankruptcy extinction."

There, corrected that for you. 1smile.gif
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post #139 of 321
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This reads like an astroturfing post.  I mean you cover all the points MS says to in their guidelines on it. 

 

- slight criticism of MS product just to show you're "fair" (but ensure to end or bookend each one of those statements with a positive.)

- slight praise of Apple's products (but be sure to end or bookend with slight criticism.)

- claim that "regular person" (grandma, kid) can use it and actually likes it

- overall impression is definitely "thumbs up"

- caveat that your a tech person (cause the audience will know anyway), that sets you up as "different," but also an expert (without having to say you're an expert)

- formatted in MS Word

 

In short, the humble but open-minded expert with the contrary opinion.  Barf. 

 

Listen - I have been a member of this forum a lot longer than you - and everything I posted about is absolutely true and honest to my experience with Windows. I may not post a lot, but when I have an opinion and I feel like sharing it, I do.  If you don't like the way I composed my post or phrased things, so be it. But don't try to suggest that I am not being sincere in what I am writing. There is no astroturfing here. 

 

I like to try everything and give things a chance. I find most things have both positives and negatives to point out (Apple products included). What makes me barf are fanboys (on any side) who blindly bash other company's products.

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I like what Steve Jobs said when he returned to Apple. "Microsoft does not have to fail in order for Apple to succeed". I think this would be great advice to Microsoft. Flip the equation around. Stop trying to chase the iPad. These stupid commercials are not helping.

Make something new. A new class of device. Has Microsoft ever done that? Is it thier DNA? Or are they just cloners? Making evolutionary changes to existing project, throwing things at the wall,hoping that something will stick, is not the way to do it either.
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I understand you want technology to stand still.  I suppose it makes sense on a psychological point of view.

 

I'd prefer that you looked at it through a different lens.  Mine may have a bit more estrogen in it, but the more Microsoft spends on it's tablet the better the iPad will be in the future.

 

I think we should all cheer Microsoft on and encourage them to spend an absorbent amount of money researching what really does work.

Your first suppositions are all wrong. And Microsoft is not Apple's main competition, the Android OS is what Apple sees in its rear-view mirror. Microsoft isn't even raising dust with their teensy sales. I enjoy watching Microsoft flailing away and spending money like a drunken sailor as Uncle Fester re-arranges the deck chairs once again. But Apple is not doing squat to the iPad because Microsoft's CEO is all puffed up and doing his on-stage monkey dance.

 

FInally, in your last sentence "exorbitant" was the word you were over-reaching for... 

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Nice article. for a decade before the iPad I wanted a tablet to surf and generally consume media. When the iPad appeared with its instant on, 10 hour battery, plus the power of the robust app store, I was on board the second it was available and had zero doubt that this would change the world. I'm on a mini now and have never looked back. And I had NO Apple products before this except an iPod. My whole family is Apple now. I loved my Windows Mobile phones and was enjoying voice control, multi-tasking, tethering, streaming audio, GPS mapping with voice Nav, well before the iPhone, but I had to burn custom ROM's to enjoy all of this. I reluctantly bought an iPhone 4S, after watching IOS get these features that I deemed as minimum needed to play. Guess what? the iPhone turned out to be the most stable phone I'd ever used, solid Bluetooth stack, generally flawless compared to win mobile, again I never looked back. And today, they are miles ahead. Not that Apple isn't clueless about providing support accessories like a 4 foot 30pin to lightning adapter for car users with legacy systems, or desk cradles etc.

At a minimum, if Microsoft gave us similar runtime, an app store with the same support in that they need to entice the app developer world to port to this platform as well as iPads. Then up the ante with more openness, external media and ports I'd give them a shot.

But as currently offered, the Surface line is a non starter and I'm amazed that they are so blind or arrogant to see it.

I loved Windows Vista, not the slow starting, or constant disk thrashing, but for the robust desktop behavior, every folder remembered its configuration etc. Win7 was fast and clean but lost desktop polish, then Win8 a clueless slap to long time users. Again, MS can't see this? how sad.

I was a serious Replay-TV DVR user, they changed the TV world with networked boxes, video sharing, commercial skipping etc. Sadly they were killed off, now Tivo and the cable co.'s carry the torch in a lesser way. I built up a Win7 5TB Media Center PC with Ceton HD Tuner cards, X-Boxes as clients around the house. Our family enjoys almost unlimited time shifted TV that records 8 different channels simultaneously. Add a software plug-in and commercials are skipped as well. Use Remote Potato App on iPad/iPhone and watch this content from anywhere. This is all KILLER app stuff and MS seems to have NO clue as to how to educate the public as to what they could have, today. With this infrastructure MS could change the game in TV if they made a purpose built box and had a clue as to how to market it..

My Pebble watch and Nike Fuel band have convinced me that the smart watch category will easily be a killer if done thoughtfully.

I was a MS fan, and wish with my whole heart that they would just listen to us. Make a superior product, make it more open than Apple, and win. Anything less and I'm not buying, 3-4 hour run times won't cut it any more. I'm the same age as Jobs, hand built my Altair PC as a kid, did 20 plus years at HP, and know what I like. For the last few years running I don't like what Microsoft does. A bunch of acrobats dancing around a bunch of lame tablets sell much? sheese, I wonder why.

Wow, don't know what lit my fuse today...
Edited by RemE - 7/20/13 at 2:43pm
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Make something new. A new class of device. Has Microsoft ever done that? Is it thier DNA? Or are they just cloners?

They're a clone, themselves, of Apple.

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I think you do DED a disservice. He has far more things he dislikes about Microsoft that what was written here 1wink.gif.

Seriously though, I thought he was very reserved, selective and kept it to just what was appropriate. I promote his narrative too when and wherever I can. It's called the true history of micro computers since the late 70's to the present day.

I agree with the true history part. Maybe Dick was too close to the business part of the industry.

Microsoft nearly destroyed the personal computer with their incompetence, their unwillingness to say no, their willingness to say yes to bloat.

It's the same American trait that allowed GM and Ford to keep making urban battleships when the Japanese were flooding the market with nimble runabouts. Now Detroit is bankrupt.

I would hate to see Seattle go bankrupt. But we see it could happen
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"...they will evolution their way into bankruptcy extinction."

There, corrected that for you. 1smile.gif

I hope it's not too late for Microsoft to find a sustainable world view, for the sake of the people who work there.

Edit: Except for the clowns who did the iPhone funeral. They can go into pizza delivery, for all I care.
Edited by Flaneur - 7/20/13 at 2:48pm
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Fact is consumers don't need Windows or Office. Microsoft still doesn't get that. Go watch the Surface event from last July. It was all Windows, Windows, Windows. Heck Microsoft's new logo is a Windows logo. The other thing Microsoft doesn't get is people are perfectly fine with tablets being mostly consumption devices. I think we're finding out that a large number of consumers were really using their PCs mostly for consumption purposes. Email, web surfing, watching movies, etc. Tablets now provide all those services in a much more convenient form factor. And since people are using PCs less frequently, the need to upgrade isn't really there. Google and Amazon don't help Microsoft's cause as they're pushing tablets as cheap consumption devices that they don't need to make any money on. Can Microsoft really afford to get in to a race to the bottom there?

Your first sentence says it all: "Fact is consumers don't need Windows or Office."


You have hit on the dilemma facing Wintel Vendors -- their main market, desktop computers in business/enterprise, has declining growth.




http://www.asymco.com


There is little need for most Wintel business installations to upgrade their hardware, their Windows OS, Their Office application suite -- what they have/had from XP or Win 7 more than meets their needs.


When I first became interested in personal computers (1978) the market was mostly hobbyists who built their own computers. Then, with the Apple ][, home/personal use drove the market. When VisiCalc was announced it started the uptake of personal computers by business/enterprise. The arrival of the IBM/PC with MS DOS, then MS Windows and MS Office brought about the Wintel market dominance through 2008.

Sure there were specialist Mac installations for high-end uses like video editing -- but it was 96% a Wintel World driven by business/enterprise.


In 2007, all that changed with the iPhone -- for the first time you had a powerful computer and the Internet in your pocket (usable Internet not WAP). You could access whatever information you wanted wherever it existed -- you did not know or care about the OS, end-all apps or complex UIs -- they were just moved aside... out of the way instead of being between you and your stuff. Using it was so easy that a child or grandparent took to it intuitively.


So we are in the middle of a sea change... the era of "Consumer Computing" is upon us and it changes all the rules.

Likely Wintel will still dominate the business/enterprise purchased solutions (and Macs will dominate niches like video editing)...


But who cares... the action is in the "Consumer" Arena -- and business/enterprise and their suppliers need to adapt or die!
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They're a clone, themselves, of Apple.

I disagree, Microsoft will be long remembered for their revolutionary kickstand idea. ;-P
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I like the editorials, but I'd prefer less sarcasm.

Well that's just you. I like sarcasm, and this POS tablet deserves to be mocked and so does anybody who defended this POS tablet on this forum in the past.

This was an obvious flop from the very beginning and anybody who didn't see that is extremely out of touch.

It added the verb "Sinofsky" to the world dictionary -- so it wasn't all bad 1smile.gif
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Ok I'm game. Which technological advancement did Microsoft make going from pre-ipad tablets to post-ipad tablets?
How have they evolved in a positive manner?

It's not really a technological advancement, but thousands are grateful that Steve Baller doesn't sweat on stage so much "post-ipad." 

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I always wondered what would happen if Apple bought Yahoo and distanced them from using Bing for search and created a true rival to Google for search that used their own search engine . It would immediately get a lot of use as the default on all iOS and OS X devices. It would certainly effect Google's revenue with so much of it coming from iOS users. Apple never seems to want to do big M&A's and prefer smaller companies but that would be very interesting. Google certainly got their money back from YouTube as did Ebay when they bought Paypal. Not all big buys are a bad move and Apple certainly has the money if not the time or inclination to take the fight to search if they chose. 

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"I think we should all cheer Microsoft on and encourage them to spend an absorbent amount of money researching what really does work."

The word is "exorbitant", although MS could do with something "absorbent" to wipe up their mess. LOL.
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The whole point of a vacation though, is not to do any work, and let yourself recharge. I also took only my iPad on my last holiday. But try using it as your only computing device during work time...
i bring both my 13" & 15" rMBPs wih me on vaca and every tim only the iPad gets any use.
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how does that refute my point?  Your link says the PS3 is outselling the Xbox360.  Not sure what you are trying to state.

What makes you think I was trying to refute your point? I was trying to be helpful.
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I disagree, Microsoft will be long remembered for their revolutionary kickstand idea. ;-P

Which they stole from HTC. lol.gif

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Microsoft is doomed. 1smile.gif  (in the consumer market)

Everyone is a member of the "consumer market" -- even business/enterprise/government etc.
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Well, I feel sorry for you if you can only feel good when you're looking down on others.
I used (only) Apple products for the last decade and I owned every single iPhone there has been, but the more successful Apple get's, the more arrogant they get, the more they lose their drive and the greater the probability they will fail.

Why isn't it enough to feel good about the success of Apple? Why the need to (with great exaggerations) 'diss' their competitors?
I also own an Android tabled (and phone) and a Surface Pro as well. I prefer the iPad, but those devices aren't THAT bad. And if you need to run Windows Software, there's not much choice. You could even run OS X on a Surface, try that on the iPad 1wink.gif

By the way, being called names by certain people is no offense to me...
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I used (only) Apple products for the last decade and I owned every single iPhone there has been, but...

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Originally Posted by Slurpy

There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already fucked.

 

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Originally Posted by Slurpy

There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already fucked.

 

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Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post

What makes you think I was trying to refute your point? I was trying to be helpful.

I'm not a gamer. So I'm not really sure about the point of the thread above However, to me it appears like all the effort and money they have dumped into the game console market may have been for nothing.

Microsoft's first game console was called simply the "Xbox". The second one was called "Xbox 360". I think their third generation is called the Xbox One". It seems to me that their naming suggests their confidence in total market domination. I am not so sure it was worth it. To me it appears that with the success of gaming on iOS, their next console may need to be called the" Xbox Lonely". $50 on a game after consumers are getting used to spending a few bucks per game on iOS? Hmm. How long is that gonna last? I bought Lego Batman for my daughter the other day iOS for a few bucks. She plays it more than the Wii version that cost $40.
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how does that refute my point?  Your link says the PS3 is outselling the Xbox360.  Not sure what you are trying to state.

This is his MO. Best to ignore him.
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I'm not a gamer. So I'm not really sure about the point of the thread above However, to me it appears like all the effort and money they have dumped into the game console market may have been for nothing.

Microsoft's first game console was called simply the "Xbox". The second one was called "Xbox 360". I think their third generation is called the Xbox One". It seems to me that their naming suggests their confidence in total market domination. I am not so sure it was worth it. To me it appears that with the success of gaming on iOS, their next console may need to be called the" Xbox Lonely". $50 on a game after consumers are getting used to spending a few bucks per game on iOS? Hmm. How long is that gonna last? I bought Lego Batman for my daughter the other day iOS for a few bucks. She plays it more than the Wii version that cost $40.

My point that the PS3 has out sold the Xbox 360 even though it came out a year later and together they've sold over 150 million devices. I wouldn't call that nothing.

I'm sure that there's much more game play in the Wii version. I read that the console manufacturers get $10 per game sold. Black OPs 2 had a billion dollars in sales in 10 days, proving that plenty of people will indeed dish out $50-60 for a game. iOS games are a great time killer but given a choice of a playing a game on a big screen TV with a console or a iDevice the console will always win.
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You hit on some key points.
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Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post

Fact is consumers don't need Windows or Office. Microsoft still doesn't get that.
That could also apply to many businesses and non consumer users. Many have been brainwashed into believing they need Word or Excel for their business needs, many do of course but often there are better ways to attack today's business needs.

As for consumers there use to be this mind set that they needed the same tools at home as they have at work. Even here people are learning to do better.
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Go watch the Surface event from last July. It was all Windows, Windows, Windows. Heck Microsoft's new logo is a Windows logo.
Marketing based on past success is always risky. This is one thing that Apple is careful about iOS devices can partner with Mac OS devices or stand alone. Apples marketing is far broader for iOS devices and they feel no reservations about implying that an iPad might be all you need.
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The other thing Microsoft doesn't get is people are perfectly fine with tablets being mostly consumption devices.
Some may be but I'm still a bit frustrated with Apples attitude with respect to some functionality and access to that functionality. IPads would be fantastic for people interested in robotics for example except for the difficulty of connecting to more modest devices.
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I think we're finding out that a large number of consumers were really using their PCs mostly for consumption purposes. Email, web surfing, watching movies, etc. Tablets now provide all those services in a much more convenient form factor.
I'm not convinced that form factor is the major contributor here. The always there and always connected nature of the operating system and the key apps has a huge influence on satisfaction. If Apple would provide an AIR or a MBP with built in cell support I might be tempted to consider replacing an iPad with a Mac. Right now though I just enjoy the split.
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And since people are using PCs less frequently, the need to upgrade isn't really there. Google and Amazon don't help Microsoft's cause as they're pushing tablets as cheap consumption devices that they don't need to make any money on. Can Microsoft really afford to get in to a race to the bottom there?

In some ways I think MS is screwed. Surface highlights just how bad their OS development teams are. Being a product rushed to market is not an excuse here, a little discipline and focus would have allowed them to deliver a solid if constrained release. Instead they tried to throw in the kitchen sink and ended up with an OS that isn't even stable.

As a happy iPad users I do beleive that there are openings for a solid competitor. Unfortunately nobody has that right now. For some uses simple features such as unrestricted USB port access, with solid driver support, would be very attractive. In any event MS would have gathered far more interest with an Open Source operating system as the base layer of their device. BSD or Linux with for example could have provided for a base upon which to ship an MS proprietary SDK. I have to wonder if MS did any research at all when it comes to what people want or for that matter like about Apples solutions.
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