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This is his MO. Best to ignore him.

Again i was trying to be helpful.
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I understand you want technology to stand still.  I suppose it makes sense on a psychological point of view.

 

I'd prefer that you looked at it through a different lens.  Mine may have a bit more estrogen in it, but the more Microsoft spends on it's tablet the better the iPad will be in the future.

 

I think we should all cheer Microsoft on and encourage them to spend an absorbent amount of money researching what really does work.

 

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Absorbent ??? Perhaps you meant to say exorbitant, as in excessive ?

Absorbent might be correct if toilet paper was meant for wiping away the crap. I recommend Charmin as it is softer and MS is going to need and use a lot of it to clean up this whole mess that is Surface.

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Well, I feel sorry for you if you can only feel good when you're looking down on others.
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Why isn't it enough to feel good about the success of Apple? Why the need to (with great exaggerations) 'diss' their competitors?
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By the way, being called names by certain people is no offense to me...

I think you are on to something here.  Maybe Microsoft should follow your holier-than-thou attitude and abandon their attacks on the iPad in their commercials  See what I did there? Re-read what you wrote from the point of view of Apple engineer's designs being attacked by Microsoft in their adds.

 

You know, this type of holier-than-thou rhetoric is best reserved for church and for people who are trying to find a way to cope with living their lives with liars, sinners, alcoholics, and drug addicts .   I kicked out that good-for-nothing bumm "Microsoft" many years ago after many long attempts to fix him up. Wasted nights, weekends, crying myself to sleep at night and waiting for promises that it will all be better in the next release.  Fool me once shame on him, fool me 10 times shame on me. 

 

When Microsoft is at death's door and shows signs of coming out with something revolutionary, then I may talk to him again. Until then, I have disowned him.


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Originally Posted by msuberly View Post

For years, Microsoft's profits from its Windows division funded all these sideshow hardware products that ultimately failed. But now that PC sales are falling--causing sales of Windows licenses to fall--causing Microsoft's stock price to drop 11%, I wonder if Microsoft's hardware days are numbered. The board should have dumped Ballmer in 2007, but definitely in 2013.

Sometimes I wish I could take a leadership role at MS to develop a product derived from my vision of what is needed. I look at the energy wasted to produce surface, basically a piece of crap and have to think I could have done better probably with a smaller staff than MS employees. Mind you I have no experience developing hardware or software at this scale but I'm certain I could be giving Apple at least a little competition. Further i would not have released a product that barely runs.

As to Ballmer he will likely be around for a long while. For whatever reason MS always gets a pass when they screw up. As MS is currently structured I'm not sure they can even work their way out of the box they painted themselves into. Yes I know about the current restructuring but MS has a host of problem that are endemic with in the company that are not addressed by the shake up.
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This is almost the epitome of the smarmy attitude that makes many people not want to use Apple products.  Never mind that Apple makes great products, they just don't want be associated with, well... this.

 

Complete, utter poppycock. Total nonsense.The only people who "do not want to use Apple products" are the haters who post in Apple forums. The hubris, arrogance, condescension, and holier-than-thou ignorance of Windows and Android fanboys, and their sycophants, greatly exceeds any perceived superiority complex on the part of Apple fans. 

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Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post


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As a happy iPad users I do beleive that there are openings for a solid competitor. Unfortunately nobody has that right now. For some uses simple features such as unrestricted USB port access, with solid driver support, would be very attractive. In any event MS would have gathered far more interest with an Open Source operating system as the base layer of their device. BSD or Linux with for example could have provided for a base upon which to ship an MS proprietary SDK. I have to wonder if MS did any research at all when it comes to what people want or for that matter like about Apples solutions.

Your last 3 sentences intrigue me...

Do you really think that MS has the time to build the necessary layers atop BSD or Linux? It has taken Apple quite a few years to extend OSX to iOS with touch, CoreData, CoreAnimation, etc...

Apparently Tizen is an attempt to do just that -- and I suspect that that effort is well behind iOS.

But, in some aspects I agree with you... The OS itself doesn't really matter -- as long as it gets out of the way and lets the user interact with his stuff...

Yet, that means the apps/content/ecosystem rules the day -- would a different OS resolve that?
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My car keeps crashing whenever I do 150mph. It's a design flaw. People tell me to slow down and drive normally but I should be able to use it as I wish.
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My car keeps crashing whenever I do 150mph. It's a design flaw. People tell me to slow down and drive normally but I should be able to use it as I wish.
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Complete, utter poppycock. Total nonsense.The only people who "do not want to use Apple products" are the haters who post in Apple forums. The hubris, arrogance, condescension, and holier-than-thou ignorance of Windows and Android fanboys, and their sycophants, greatly exceeds any perceived superiority complex on the part of Apple fans. 

Microsoft's biggest competitor is themselves. They drove me to Apple. I would not consider Apple's stuff so good, if I had never seen how bad it could be with Microsoft. 

 

 I want to buy the best product that benefits ME best. With Android, their business model does not work for me.  I don't want to be the product, I want to buy one.  I can exploit myself for free on Facebook. I don't need to pay for the privilege  for an device that does that for me automatically.  Its a no brainier to me.

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Even after the PRISM scandal there are still some of you that think Apple doesn't collect your data just like Google, MS, FB, etc.?  lol.gif

 

They've done it in the past and then 'stopped' yet data still managed to get collected as evidenced by the PRISM leak.  Trust me, Apple, MS, Google, and FB are all into "Big Data" and you're fooling yourself if you think otherwise.

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flopped?  huh?  Right now Sony is selling the most games. the most hardware. the most everything.  Do you have a better source than VGChartz?  Please share where you got your information.  The only flop right now is Nintendo with the Wii U

lol your own VGChartz shows that almost every multiplatform game that gets released on Xbox 360 and PS3 sells more on Xbox 360

Every COD game has outsold on Xbox 360 over PS3
Almost EVERY IP for Xbox 360 has outsold PS3 IP
Skyrim Xbox 360 over PS3
Top Selling Xbox 360 game DWARFS the top selling PS3 Exclusive by 2:1 in global sales

It's also worth mentioning that Xbox 360 did PATHETIC in the Japanese market, and even doing so horrible, completely takes over PS3 in terms of game sales.

This along with the fact that Sony lost around $5 Billion on the PS3 while Microsoft lost around $3 Billion

So like I said, PS3 has NOT dominated the gaming market (most people that bought it probably got it for the Blu Ray) and sucks in profits. So yes, It's a FLOP!
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I think you do DED a disservice. He has far more things he dislikes about Microsoft that what was written here 1wink.gif.

Seriously though, I thought he was very reserved, selective and kept it to just what was appropriate. I promote his narrative too when and wherever I can. It's called the true history of micro computers since the late 70's to the present day.

I agree with the true history part. Maybe Dick was too close to the business part of the industry.

Microsoft nearly destroyed the personal computer with their incompetence, their unwillingness to say no, their willingness to say yes to bloat.

It's the same American trait that allowed GM and Ford to keep making urban battleships when the Japanese were flooding the market with nimble runabouts. Now Detroit is bankrupt.

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"...they will evolution their way into bankruptcy extinction."

There, corrected that for you. 1smile.gif

I hope it's not too late for Microsoft to find a sustainable world view, for the sake of the people who work there.

Edit: Except for the clowns who did the iPhone funeral. They can go into pizza delivery, for all I care.

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Mmm...

Typical DED rehash of what he disliked about MS over the years... with a few updates.


It is worth noting that the article contains 18 links -- 12 (or 2/3) of these are links to other DED articles.

Clearly he has a narrative to promote.

I think you do DED a disservice. He has far more things he dislikes about Microsoft that what was written here 1wink.gif.

Seriously though, I thought he was very reserved, selective and kept it to just what was appropriate. I promote his narrative too when and wherever I can. It's called the true history of micro computers since the late 70's to the present day.

Hey, guys I dislike MS as much as the next guy... including DED!

I just try not to let my emotions confuse/color my logic.


MS Has done some good things and deserves credit for them -- early Word, Excel, Access -- not to mention investing in Apple ($ and Office Support) when Steve returned. Sure, these were driven by self interest,,, but who / what public company isn't?


IMO, the problem with DED's rants is they are usually a verbose over-the-top rehash of the same-old, same-old. They give the impression of recounting history -- but you have only DED's perspective and no conflicting facts or points of view are included. And, if you post any challenge to an AI article of his -- he often takes issue and demeans the challenge and poster using the pseudonym "Corrections". Why is that permitted?


Sometimes, though very seldom, I am pleasantly surprised by a a concise, unbiased DED article.
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Nailed it!
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Mmm...

Typical DED rehash of what he disliked about MS over the years... with a few updates.


It is worth noting that the article contains 18 links -- 12 (or 2/3) of these are links to other DED articles.

Clearly he has a narrative to promote.

 

The links are to articles that provide context about what's being said. No conspiracy theory needed.

 

I've found that linking to outside sites frequently results in dead links because everyone radically changes their URL scheme every six months. 

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Even after the PRISM scandal there are still some of you that think Apple doesn't collect your data just like Google, MS, FB, etc.?  lol.gif

They've done it in the past and then 'stopped' yet data still managed to get collected as evidenced by the PRISM leak.  Trust me, Apple, MS, Google, and FB are all into "Big Data" and you're fooling yourself if you think otherwise.

Key phrase was "business model". That fact that you chose to take things out of context and overlook this key point tells me your response to what I am typing now is will be moot.
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The Surface is an utter failure as a tablet because it's NOT a tablet. It's a Windows PC with a removable touch screen. Besides not being very good at building PC's (don't even get me started on Windows 8) Microsoft has violated the 'prime directive' by competing directly with their OEM partners especially Dell and HP. Then there's the issue of Pro vs. RT and having multiple versions of the same application making it extra challanging for developers. IMHO, Microsoft has messed up on multiple fronts and deserves to get spanked by the market. The best thing MS could do is sell off or kill their hardware divisions and develop versions of MS Office for iOS and Android...
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Remember when IBM was the only company that mattered in what was then called Data Processing? Then along came Microsoft and stepped right over them to ride the PC revolution wave. Then it was MS's turn to get fat and lazy as Apple did the same to them with the hand-held revolution. Here's hoping Apple can avoid the fate of previous front-runners.
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The best thing MS could do is sell off or kill their hardware divisions and develop versions of MS Office for iOS and Android...

How well has that worked out for Sega?
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Not even Microsoft understands what's wrong. I'd say it's still a matter of taste.

 

I'm sure a lot of people at Microsoft knows what went wrong but keep their lips zipped to keep their job. Uncle Fester insists on "Windows everywhere" and doesn't understand that users in general hate dealing with Windows... especially Windows that doesn't look like Windows. Then, of course, Microsoft 

 

Apple had the good sense to base iOS on core OSX, but not call it the same thing. Apple had the good sense to optimize the UI for the iDevice, and optimize the hardware internals for a snappy response and a long battery life. There are features being added in iOS7 that could have been included long ago ( like opening up multitasking to third-party developers), but to do so may have destabilized the platform experience or made it subject to exploits. 

 

As for taste, as you say, it is so lacking at Microsoft that it just taints the already bad UI and the user experience until most users want to escape Windows all together. Meanwhile Uncle Fester is insisting that they need it thrust down their throats like his intent is to make a worldwide supply of pâté, foie gras.

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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Everyone is a member of the "consumer market" -- even business/enterprise/government etc.

 

Is that why Microsoft Windows tells you to "Contact your administrator" whenever an error occurred? Because that was really helpful for consumers... /s

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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Sometimes, though very seldom, I am pleasantly surprised by a a concise, unbiased DED article.

 

I am probably enjoy DED's editorial/opinion pieces more than you because it's fun, to me, to read a nice biased (but factually based) pro-Apple piece. It's then especially a fun read if Microsoft is getting pilloried at the same time. DED does these on a weekend and sort of serves as entertainment during a lull in the weeks news.

 

So, my advice is to set aside the weekend to read something that's not serious or bad news and enjoy a mental romp along with an author of your choice. 

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post #181 of 321
MS should stick with making software.. which can be a pain-in -the-ass to use as well, but they really need to give up with hardware making and blatantly copying Apple. Badly. Seriously MS, stop trying to make hardware. Give it a f'n rest. Please.
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Is that why Microsoft Windows tells you to "Contact your administrator" whenever an error occurred? Because that was really helpful for consumers... /s

 

Don't forget Clippy!  1biggrin.gif

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As to Ballmer he will likely be around for a long while. 

 

GOD, I hope so!!! As long as Uncle Fester is leading the clown parade in Redmond, there will plenty of opportunity for innovation and progress by other companies, including Apple. 

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I think you are on to something here.  Maybe Microsoft should follow your holier-than-thou attitude and abandon their attacks on the iPad in their commercials  See what I did there? Re-read what you wrote from the point of view of Apple engineer's designs being attacked by Microsoft in their adds.
You would have a point if I'd say I like the microsoft commercials. I hate them. I think they're stupid.
But just because Microsoft isn't able to make good ads (I haven't seen a single good one as far as I remember) - does that mean appleinsider has to post bad articles as well?
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You know, this type of holier-than-thou rhetoric is best reserved for church and for people who are trying to find a way to cope with living their lives with liars, sinners, alcoholics, and drug addicts .   I kicked out that good-for-nothing bumm "Microsoft" many years ago after many long attempts to fix him up. Wasted nights, weekends, crying myself to sleep at night and waiting for promises that it will all be better in the next release.  Fool me once shame on him, fool me 10 times shame on me. 

When Microsoft is at death's door and shows signs of coming out with something revolutionary, then I may talk to him again. Until then, I have disowned him.

I don't think it has anything to do with 'holier-than-thou', I just don't see the point in exaggerating a failure that already would be big enough without any exaggeration! It just lessens the credibility of the writer. The truth is already 'funny' enough.
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Well, I feel sorry for you if you can only feel good when you're looking down on others.

 

FYI: telling strangers in forums that you "feel sorry for them" is one way to look down on others. You're passing judgment on, not empathizing with, the person/people you are addressing.

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Another thing, they rarely ever show the device being used in portrait orientation. A lot of people use tablets as e-book readers. The Surface, always being shown in landscape orientation and with the kickstand out and the keyboard attached didn't make it look like a thin and light tablet you could just pick up and read like a book or easily take on the go.

The dot matrix on the Surface is optimized for landscape mode. In fact the number they quote for DPI is based on the landscape mode. If you think this looks like a stinker in landscape, wait until you see text in portrait mode. MY eyes! My eyes!

 

NOTE: if the Surface tablet refuses to rotate into portrait mode, you may need to go into "Windows settings" and tell it to do so... yeah, you read that right. Depending on the application Surface is locked into the landscape mode.

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Apple (as they have always been open about) develop software and services only to sell more hardware. ... hardware design (Apple's strength) matters more than in the past.

That's not true at all. Apple is about creating an entire user experience by combining software and hardware. This really starts with the software. The fact that they are great at hardware design is because they are very good at removing the constraints of hardware in order to support the software and then remove the constraints of software to support the user experience.

Apple controls the design of the hardware so they can remove the constraints. Microsoft is bound by those constraints.

What ascii states is a false aphorism - it is widely stated but untrue.

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Well that's just you. I like sarcasm, and this POS tablet deserves to be mocked and so does anybody who defended this POS tablet on this forum in the past.

This was an obvious flop from the very beginning and anybody who didn't see that is extremely out of touch.

But it has a kicksatand.   See.   click.

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Well that's just you. I like sarcasm, and this POS tablet deserves to be mocked and so does anybody who defended this POS tablet on this forum in the past.

This was an obvious flop from the very beginning and anybody who didn't see that is extremely out of touch.

But it has a kickstand.   See.   click.

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Hey, guys I dislike MS as much as the next guy... including DED!

I just try not to let my emotions confuse/color my logic.


MS Has done some good things and deserves credit for them -- early Word, Excel, Access -- not to mention investing in Apple ($ and Office Support) when Steve returned. Sure, these were driven by self interest,,, but who / what public company isn't?


IMO, the problem with DED's rants is they are usually a verbose over-the-top rehash of the same-old, same-old. They give the impression of recounting history -- but you have only DED's perspective and no conflicting facts or points of view are included. And, if you post any challenge to an AI article of his -- he often takes issue and demeans the challenge and poster using the pseudonym "Corrections". Why is that permitted?


Sometimes, though very seldom, I am pleasantly surprised by a a concise, unbiased DED article.

I just read an excerpt on Wikipedia on Excel about the way they calculate high precision numbers and that they might not be that accurate.  I don't know about you, but if I was a scientist and had to rely on a spreadsheet to do precise numbers like the trajectory of the Enterprise back to a certain date to save some humpback whales and Excel wasn't accurate enough, that could be a life threatening situation.  I would prefer accuracy over speed of the calculation.   What would you prefer?

 

Actually Access was a horrible database, Filemaker Pro was and still is a far better database and it runs on both OS X and Windows.  I used to sell both Access and Filemaker and even a lot of my Windows customers preferred FIlemaker Pro to Access. Go figure.

 

I don't have a problem with Microsoft Apps as long as they don't have security issues, bugs and they work well.  Even though I used Word, Excel, and Powerpoint, I haven't always been happy with their operation.  They dragged their feet in re-writing the code for OS X.  Remember they had to run Rosetta because they wouldn't re-write their app?   Excel used to originally written natively on the Mac and then ported over to Windows, and then Microsoft changed and did the opposite.  When they write natively written apps, they run better than the ported version.  I don't know if they re-wrote Office natively for OS X, it would be nice if they did.

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MS opened a new store a couple of weeks ago in Indy. They gave away hundreds of free concert tickets, to Kelly Clarkson, on a Saturday. Monday, I walked by their store at lunch. 6 people in the store, besides the staff. Down a bit, an Apple store. Probably a hundred or more people inside. Of course, MS will keep that store open as long as they want. But......why? Whats wrong with this picture?
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One thing, however: Windows was subsidized by Microsoft's huge DOS business. Windows then tried to subsidize a variety of pen, tablet, clamshell PDAs, watches, screens, auto integration and various other things that have never taken off. Through the 2000s, Microsoft had tons of cash to waste in paying for the next big thing, but failed over and over. 

 

Problem is, the cash cow of Win PCs is now drying up. Microsoft doesn't make most of the profits of the industry anymore, so it can't fritter away money on projects forever. So it's now more quickly killing things like the Zune and KIN.

 

It's now Apple's turn to spend cash on new projects. What has it done: Apple TV, iAd, iPod touch gaming, iCloud, Maps, iOS Auto integration and lots of other stuff that critics have laughed at derisively but which are sustainably making money, despite being "just experiments." 

 

So if you look at the future of Surface RT, it's much less compelling than one of Apple's "hobbies." Meanwhile, Apple has more new billion dollar businesses cranking out cash.

 

Good insight, and totally true. 

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Because if you rotated the Surface, the gaudy neon click-in keyboard would be hanging off to the side, and the kickstand would flop uselessly.

The iPad OTOH is fully functional with or without a keyboard in landscape AND portrait mode. In other words, a true tablet from the ground-up, not a desktop in tablet clothing. Post-PC vs. PC pretending-to-be-Post-PC.

 

 

I still maintain that the Surface RT and the Surface Pro are actually hybrid laptops.  

 

You have to use them in landscape mode, and you have to use the attached (but detachable) keyboard, and you have to put them down on a table to make them even work, or to get the benefits out of them that Microsoft is selling.  They also run desktop software and work best with a mouse.  Sure they tell us it's a tablet, but other than the name I don't see the difference between them and some of Dell's convertible laptops, or the (Acer?) ones with the detachable screen.  

 

Take a look the next time you see someone using one in a coffee shop (if you ever do).  How is the experience any different than just having a laptop with a touchable screen?  

Can you type on it while walking or standing up on the bus?  Can you cruise the web with it on your lap?  No, and no.  (at least not really, and not in practice). 

 

They are fucking laptops, not tablets.  They are screwed up little hybrid laptops for people that want to think they have a tablet, but can't really let go of the past.  

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Steve & Tim have be saying forever that Apple always designs their products to change peoples life's for the better, and not their bottom line as most other companies do. The end result is that the cream always rises to the top, always!
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I just visited Microsoft's website for their Surface devices to see what they had to say about them.  I'm now left with a feeling that there's a team of people at MS who saw the increase in web traffic.  I suspect they're highfiving each other and looking forward to a bright new future.

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Nice tongue in cheek editorial. Such wit and biting sarcasm. I can't contain myself with all this self congratulatory I-told-you-so retrospection. Self restraint and humbleness was so last year anyway.

It's times like this i'm filled with relief that adblock is defaulted to 'on'. I shudder to think i'm providing click revenue to such tripe.
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How well has that worked out for Sega?

quite well. 

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iPad was not invented - to be tablet with keyboard, and that is main thing MS argues.
For me, it is under the belt, and it is not - truth.
iPad is #1 and it will stay.
Higher price is reflection of better quality and support.

With videoclips like this, MS just confirmed that intelligent man must avoid MS products as a plague.
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iPad was not invented - to be tablet with keyboard, and that is main thing MS argues.
For me, it is under the belt, and it is not - truth.
iPad is #1 and it will stay.
Higher price is reflection of better quality and support.

With videoclips like this, MS just confirmed that intelligent man must avoid MS products as a plague.

 

Or semi-intelligent robots in the case of this post. Though I don't think robots can catch plagues, so you're OK. But viruses ... Are you Mac or PC? 

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This is not an editorial, it's a hit job opinion piece. This piece presents a lot of opinions as factual data with no source of validity. While I agree with some of your observations, this is poor journalism. The sarcastic tone does not help establish your topic that Surface RT was a failure. This editorial simply displays a level of fanatical "fanboyism" for apple that is usually not displayed in journalism. Again, you are entitled to your opinions and had this been posted under a personal opinion column I wouldn't think less of Appleinsider. Appleinsider is, after all, an Apple news and fan site. I am a very sarcastic person myself and can appreciate a well placed sarcastic quip to accentuate a point. There is plenty of empirical data to present that support the conclusions you posted as self-evident. Lastly, yes I am aware that an editorial is an opinion piece, one that is supposed to reflect the organization's position on a particular topic. If this is the level of editorial that Appleinsider wants to present to the world, I will look elsewhere for my Apple news. I sincerely hope that you can recognize constructive critique and will reevaluate the professionalism of Appleinsider.

 

o-Patrick

 

 

 

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