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Though executives with Apple said they are pleased by sales of the legacy iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S, they also noted that the iPhone 5 remains "by far the most popular iPhone" they sell.

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The comments come as Apple has seen its gross margins slide, leading to speculation that previous-generation iPhone models are growing in popularity.

Data released this week found that the iPhone 5 accounts for just over half of all iPhone sales, while the iPhone 4S is responsible for 30 percent of smartphones Apple sells. The share of the iPhone 5 peaked after its launch last October, according to Consumer Intelligence Research Partners, when the latest-generation model accounted for 68 percent of all iPhones sold.

In the just-concluded June quarter, iPhone sales in Japan were particularly strong ? up 66 percent year over year. The iPhone is the top selling smartphone in Japan, according to the latest data from IDC, Apple Chief Financial Officer Peter Oppenheimer noted.

Also singled out as having strong sales were the U.S., U.K., Brazil, Russia, India, and Thailand, representing both developed and emerging markets. Apple was either the No. 1 or No. 2 smartphone manufacturer in North America, Western Europe, Russia, Singapore, and Hong Kong.

Total iPhone shipments were up 20 percent year over year to 31.2 million units. That represented a new record for the June quarter.
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I've got a 4S and three 4's ready for upgrade - like the 5 but holding of to see what gets announced in the next month or so.
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Make a larger iPhone to go along with the iPhone 5 and Apple will take over the market.
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iPhone 5S ready to hit hopefully powerful.
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I've got a 4S and three 4's ready for upgrade - like the 5 but holding of to see what gets announced in the next month or so.

You mean October.

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Make a larger iPhone to go along with the iPhone 5 and Apple will take over the market.

 

No. Just no.

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Yes make a 5" also.
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Surprised about Russia, unless they're coming from a really low base and not relying on the big three carriers there.
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Make a larger iPhone to go along with the iPhone 5 and Apple will take over the market.

Oh they will and you can bet that some Samsung executives are scared to death of when they will. They would have to retreat to the sub $400 to avoid competition from Apple and there they will get squeezed by the Chinese. 

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Makes perfect sense, the 4 was probably the first iPhone I considered buying (or any smartphone for that matter).

And, the 5 is the first smartphone I would say met the bar for being user friendly, fast enough + enough RAM.

Plus, they finally gave into what people wanted (larger screens).  Of course, I dunno if they "gave in" or it was always semi-planned :)

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Makes perfect sense, the 4 was probably the first iPhone I considered buying (or any smartphone for that matter).

And, the 5 is the first smartphone I would say met the bar for being user friendly, fast enough + enough RAM.

Plus, they finally gave into what people wanted (larger screens).  Of course, I dunno if they "gave in" or it was always semi-planned :)

-QAMF

 

Since Apple bills the 4 inch display as "just right" and suggests that wider displays are "oversize, awkward, and hard to use" (http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/), it's hard to imagine any further screen enlargement being "semi-planned." So if those rumors of a larger iPhone have any substance, we should expect to see some creative marketing in the near future.

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Since Apple bills the 4 inch display as "just right" and suggests that wider displays are "oversize, awkward, and hard to use" (http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/), it's hard to imagine any further screen enlargement being "semi-planned." So if those rumors of a larger iPhone have any substance, we should expect to see some creative marketing in the near future.

 

That's easy.

 

"Introducing the iPhone 7.  The first iPhone designed for two hands!"

 

Just kidding.  I think larger screens are why they introduced the Back swipe gesture.

 

Not to mention that one of Apple's early video ads for the iPad mini commented on how easy it was to use with ONE hand.   If the 7.9" mini can be used with one hand, then anything its size or smaller can be used that way, too.  


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"by far the most popular iPhone"- what does that actually mean?

The best selling iPhone ever? The one that most iPhone5 owners like?

 

 

"Also singled out as having strong sales were the U.S., U.K., Brazil, Russia, India, and Thailand"- An even stranger statement. In two of those countries, namely Russia and India, Windows Phone is outselling the iPhone, which means that Apple must be in third or forth place. source http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/27/where-in-the-world-are-windows-phones-outselling-iphones/?_r=0

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No. Just no.

Yes. Oh, yes. 1wink.gif

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Yes make a 5" also.

too big. 4.8 should be an upper limit. 

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Oh they will and you can bet that some Samsung executives are scared to death of when they will. They would have to retreat to the sub $400 to avoid competition from Apple and there they will get squeezed by the Chinese. 

 

Good point. There is also another blow around the corner: there is an army of 3GS users that served for the longest time and is bound to be upgraded because of iOS7. Remember they were still sold less than a year ago. Apple will really have busy fall...

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Since Apple bills the 4 inch display as "just right" and suggests that wider displays are "oversize, awkward, and hard to use" (http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/), it's hard to imagine any further screen enlargement being "semi-planned." So if those rumors of a larger iPhone have any substance, we should expect to see some creative marketing in the near future.

 

For most of the iPhone's history, 3.5" was considered the "sweet spot". They didn't have any problems telling people that 4" was "just right" so I doubt convincing people that 4.8" is "perfect" would be an onerous task.

 

Perhaps a "radical" redesign of the phone could allow them to put a bigger screen in without increasing the footprint. Afterall, do the mic and home button really need so much space?

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@gwmac :or they might actually start doing some R&D?

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You mean October.

 

 

Apple did not say it was announcing product in October (or shipping for that matter). It will announce sometime between now and than. Apple merely said it can't talk about new product until  then, which is the next earings call. 

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Apple did not say it was announcing product in October (or shipping for that matter).

Of course not.
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It will announce sometime between now and than.

Except no one can say that. What we can say is October is one year from the last iPhone.

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Since Apple bills the 4 inch display as "just right" and suggests that wider displays are "oversize, awkward, and hard to use" (http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/), it's hard to imagine any further screen enlargement being "semi-planned." So if those rumors of a larger iPhone have any substance, we should expect to see some creative marketing in the near future.

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nothing else needed ^__^

In all seriousness, Apple in a marketing company that happens to also make hardware.

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In all seriousness, Apple in a marketing company…

Want to try again without the sentence that discredits everything you will ever say in the future?

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Yes. Oh, yes. 1wink.gif

Haha. Yes. I don't think the larger phone (4.7 or 4.8) will come out until next year. But yes, that's what many of us want.
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Want to try again without the sentence that discredits everything you will ever say in the future?

No, I will rephrase it though: Apple makes good hardware and software, but their real winner is the fact that they understand how to market that hardware to people, and they make good ads.

I was raised by two people in the advertising biz.  I understand how marketing works.

If Apple made the iPhone and had no marketing it probably would have does drastically worse.

I don't know about you, (or most other people), but I am extremely sure I understand advertising and marketing far better than you.

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Haha. Yes. I don't think the larger phone (4.7 or 4.8) will come out until next year. But yes, that's what many of us want.

WOW? No, I have a phone with a 4.5" screen right now, I don't know how anyone can use anything larger then that comfortably.

If Apple decides to make a new iPhone (like the 6, because I expect a 5S) over 4.5" they either have some crazy non-bezel thing, or they have some weird dimension.

EDIT: In all seriousness, the only people I know who want, or have "phones" with over a 4.5" screen are people who watch lots of videos, and don't want to carry around a tablet.
 

Apple makes phones, not mini tablets.

 

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Apple makes phones, not mini tablets.

 

-QAMF

iPad mini?

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EDIT: In all seriousness, the only people I know who want, or have "phones" with over a 4.5" screen are people who watch lots of videos, and don't want to carry around a tablet.

 

-QAMF

People really need to stop speaking for their "friends" and acquaintances. You don't know what/why they want large or small phones. You don't know for sure whether they want to carry around a tablet. 

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iPad mini?

iPad mini is a tablet.

7+ is a tablet (although, over 10-11 is crazy large)

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People really need to stop speaking for their "friends" and acquaintances. You don't know what/why they want large or small phones. You don't know for sure whether they want to carry around a tablet. 

Of people I know very well (and talk about technology about with) no one wants one.

Of the numerous people whom come to me that I know (okay, probably like 20-25 people this year) talking about phones, not a single one has liked the idea if anything with screen that large.

My sample size could have flaws, but it paints a clear picture for me.

And yes, people should say what their sample is before they talk about that.

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People really need to stop speaking for their "friends" and acquaintances. You don't know what/why they want large or small phones. You don't know for sure whether they want to carry around a tablet. 

I see nothing wrong with anecdotal "evidence" (per se). As consumers we are swayed by what we see around us. If all of my friends has silver cars I would either buy one to fit in with the crowd or not, to "stand out". In the event that I didn't know anyone with a car, the colour would be less important.

 

I concede that it is folly to assume that one's sample of friends is representative of the wider customer base, that said, they are part of that customer base. 

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I see nothing wrong with anecdotal "evidence" (per se).

Right, but all anecdotal evidence is equally admissible.

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Right, but all anecdotal evidence is equally admissible.

Indeed. I was however, in part, countering Ankleskater's suggestion that you cannot know what your friends want. If you ask them, surely it is safe to assume that they will be honest with you.

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"by far the most popular iPhone"- what does that actually mean?

The best selling iPhone ever? The one that most iPhone5 owners like?

 

 

"Also singled out as having strong sales were the U.S., U.K., Brazil, Russia, India, and Thailand"- An even stranger statement. In two of those countries, namely Russia and India, Windows Phone is outselling the iPhone, which means that Apple must be in third or forth place. source http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/27/where-in-the-world-are-windows-phones-outselling-iphones/?_r=0


Do you actually know about the sales of the I-phone in India or just Google carp of the internet to prove a point? Try visiting India and buying an I-phone 4 16gig. Its sold out in most local stores.

All Iphones are selling like hot cakes in India and remember people have to pay full price for a phone there.

 

Also, most Nokia phones start at 1/3rd the price in INR of an iphone.

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Do you actually know about the sales of the I-phone in India or just Google carp of the internet to prove a point? Try visiting India and buying an I-phone 4 16gig. Its sold out in most local stores.

All Iphones are selling like hot cakes in India and remember people have to pay full price for a phone there.

 

Also, most Nokia phones start at 1/3rd the price in INR of an iphone.

 

No, I don't know the actual sales figures. I posted a link to a respectable source. There are many others citing the same evidence.

 

Let me ask you to tell us what the sales figures for each of the iPhones in India are then.

 

You seem to be arguing that my post is incorrect and then backtracking by mentioning the relative cost of Nokia handsets. At the risk of ruining your day- there are many countries where iOS is not the number one phone OS.

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